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Sarah’s Canadian Outreach

By Aaron Goldstein on 3.10.10 @ 6:08AM

So why condemn her for medical decisions her parents made when she was five?

Perhaps it’s a case of cause and effect.

Sarah Palin speaks. Liberals foam at the mouth.

Sadly, it’s a condition for which there is no known medical treatment.

The latest outbreak of this condition broke out after Palin spoke in Calgary, Alberta, over the weekend. During her speech, she disclosed that her family used to seek health care in Canada’s Yukon Territory during her early years in Alaska. Palin told her audience:

Believe it or not — this was in the '60s — we used to hustle on over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse. I remember my brother, he burned his ankle in some little kid accident thing, and my parents had to put him on a train and rush him over to Whitehorse and I think, isn’t that kind of ironic now. Zooming over the border, getting health care from Canada.

When word of Palin’s remarks came to the attention of the liberal media they immediately started showing frothing symptoms. Sam Stein of the Huffington Post was patient zero:

The irony, one guesses, is that Palin now views Canada’s health care system as revolting: with its government-run administration and ‘death-panel’-like rationing. Clearly, however, she and her family once found it more alluring than, at the very least, the coverage available in rural Alaska. Up to the age of six, Palin lived in a remote town near the closest Canadian city, Whitehorse.

Where does one begin?

Well, I think it’s fairly safe to presume that five-year old Sarah Heath was not in charge of making the family’s medical decisions. When Chuck and Sally Heath took their children to receive health care in Canada it was a country that was in the midst of Trudeaumania. The Guess Who was its most popular rock band while Bobby Orr and Serge Savard were its best hockey players. Let’s just say a lot has changed in Canada in the intervening four decades up to and including Canada’s health care system.

Canadian Medicare was in its infancy in the mid-1960s. It was in 1966 when Canada’s Parliament passed the Medical Care Act by the Liberal government of Lester Pearson to provide coverage for doctors’ services. Although the federal government set the standards, it was left up to the provincial and territorial governments to administer the program. Not all jurisdictions joined the program right away. The last holdout would not join until 1972. That holdout was none other than the Yukon Territory.

Simply put at the time Sarah Palin’s parents sought medical treatment in Canada, the Yukon Territory was not part of their Medicare program. But even if the Yukon had been integrated into Canada’s health care system, since the Heaths were U.S. residents they presumably would have been required to pay a fee for any medical services obtained in Canada. Indeed, the U.S. Embassy’s Consular Services advises Americans planning to travel to Canada, “Tourists and temporary visitors do not qualify for this health care plan and should have their own insurance to cover medical expenses.”

Now Palin’s critics might have had a point had she sought medical treatment for herself or her family in Canada while she was Governor of Alaska. Alas there is no evidence she ever took that route. But we do have an instance of a Canadian Premier who recently sought medical care in the United States.

Last month, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams traveled to Florida to undergo a heart procedure that was unavailable in his province. Williams, a Progressive Conservative, makes no apology for his decision. “This was my heart, my choice and my health,” said Williams after the procedure had been completed.

Naturally there were those who criticized Williams’ decision to seek medical care outside of Canada. Among them was Dr. Wilbert Keon, a retired heart surgeon and currently a Conservative member of the Canadian Senate. While Keon concedes Williams could not have had the procedure done in his Newfoundland and Labrador he argues that the Premier could have had the procedure done in several Canadian cities including Edmonton, Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa. “I can’t imagine anything that couldn’t be done in Canada that is done in America.” However, it is also worth noting that Keon did not state when it could be done in Canada.

In 1976, Keon founded the University of Ottawa Heart Institute. How long do cardiac patients in Ottawa wait for bypass surgery? According to the latest data available by the Ontario Ministry Health, the wait time for heart bypass surgery at the University of Ottawa’s Heart Institute is eleven weeks. Suppose Williams had sought care in Ottawa? What if he ended up bumping someone on the waiting list that was in greater need of care? He would have been accused of obtaining preferential treatment by jumping the queue. Williams was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.

The same holds true for Sarah Palin. Remember when Barack Obama defended his association with Bill Ayers by stating he was only eight-years old at the time Ayers engaged in domestic terrorism? Well, it’s nice to know the liberal media holds Sarah Palin to a higher standard of conduct when she was five-years old than when President Obama was eight.

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fbom| 3.10.10 @ 7:45AM

I think it is wonderful that the old stream media has seriously suffering from PDS. I would not have known about this otherwise. It also appears that the old stream media has yet to be potty trained because they seem to be so full of popo.

Paula| 3.10.10 @ 6:16PM

No doubt. The vast conspiracy to bring down this great woman is appalling.

dave| 3.11.10 @ 12:44PM

First off, Sarah's not a great woman: she's an opportunistic airhead who should never have attained poster-girl status for conservativism. She's an embarrassment to a movement that's supposed to be about ideas. Second, we keep getting caught looking like idiots, but our response is to somehow focus with some bizarre glee on the supposed shortcoings of the mainstream media. They're not running scared or frothing at the mouth or whatever it is that we imagine they're doing 'cause they're scared of Sarah or those who support her. They'd like nothing better than a Sarah run in 2012 because she'd get pasted - as she deserves. And finally, we're hypocrites! Rush goes to Hawaii, gets some socialized medicine and then comes back to the mainland threatening to move to Costa Rica if Obama gets his way without even bother to figure out a) whether his hyperbole is offensive to real Americans who will stay and grit it out no matter how the country changes, and b) that Costa Rica has universal health care! I've written in this space before what I'll say again: we conservatives are living in Pogoland - we have met the enemy and they are us. So, put me down as one conservative who a) doesn't hate liberals, I just disagree withthem; b) doesn't think Obama is evil, I just disagree with him; c) won't ever take Sarah seriously because she isn't herself serious; d) will support universal health care if it can be demonstrated - as I think it can - to reduce health care costs overall; preserve choice; and make American businesses more competitve abroad when going head to head with companies from countries who use government, not private enterprise to fund health care.

Tom Shipman| 3.11.10 @ 1:08PM

We conservatives??? How can you call yourself a conservative, and be for universal health care? And as far as Rush is concerned, last time I checked, Hawaii is part of the U.S. and he pays for his own insurance, so he is NOT getting some FREE health care. And on the Costa Rica thing. He NEVER said he would MOVE there, he said he would go there for his health care, because that's where all the BEST doctors will go to practice medicine. I think you are a LIBERAL, PRETENDING to be a conservative.

Danz| 3.11.10 @ 1:30PM

You can tell a liberal because they always start with an insult. Anyway you have been reading talking points because we all know that Rush was already in Hawaii and he paid cash for his treatments there. Also Sarah apparently got great Canadian health care before it was ruined by socialization in that province. Perhaps back then, when it was private, it was superior to where she lived. As we all know Canadians often come to the US today for superior care. Lastly there has never been a government program that cost less than a similar private one. By it's own nature, government gets more expensive with volume, not less expensive. If you can prove otherwise, please do.

Diane| 3.11.10 @ 1:59PM

I do not see your remarks at all reflective of a conservative. I do see a comparison though to the thinking of those Specter types who betrayed even their own values and jumped on the progressive bandwagon to advance everything not conservative.
National Health care MUST be government controlled since it is the model of government rules and regulations. How else might it exist?
I fear the government injecting itself into every aspect of my life. It has proven itself to be less than truthful when creating any program. To wit: Social Security itself was only supposed to address a small percentile of one's income but now FICA contributions are as high as even income taxes and promising to go even higher.
If you want socialism please do not hide behind the faux conservative banner.

Marty| 3.11.10 @ 7:22PM

Tom, you may consider yourself a conservative, but you sound more like left of center to me.

I am 65 years old, and I remember learning in social studies class as a child that the United States literacy rate was 98%. It was the second highest rate in the world. Costa Rica was higher at 99%. The literacy rate in the rest of Central and South America was abysmal at the time. The reason that they were able to spend the money to do that with education was because we guaranteed their military safety. They had no standing army. This may also account for their socialized medicine. It accounts for leftist social programs in Europe. While our young men during the cold war were drafted into the army and used to defend Europe, they saved the money on military defense, and bought votes with education and medical care. I say pull out of Europe and let them pay for their own defense, especially if we pass socialized medicine. Why should we also pay for their medical care?

Scott| 3.11.10 @ 9:43PM

Dave --

You're so full of crap about Rush Limbaugh that your blue eyes turned brown. Rush did not get "socialized" medicine in Hawaii. He paid out of his own pocket for all the treatment he received. He does this routinely because he can afford it and he finds he can get medical service cheaper by paying cash than using insurance. As for saying he was moving to Costa Rica: no, he didn't say that. He said he would go to Costa Rica to get medical work done , then return to the US where he would continue to live. There are a number of excellent US doctors who have set up medical practices in Costa Rica and if Obamacare does happen to pass, there will be a lot more people than Rush Limbaugh going there to get decent treatment that won't be available in the US. Again, this wouldn't be "socialized" medicine. These people would be paying cash. And, Dave, please explain how "universal health care" will "preserve choice." Kind of a contradiction in terms, don't you think? And when was the last time that government involvement in anything resulted in lower costs? The current system needs reform, but definitely not what Obama and the Democrats are proposing. Please, go peddle your faux-conservatism somewhere else!

Dave| 3.12.10 @ 10:52AM

To all who knee-jerked on my post, you only prove my point that we - and I mean we, my conservative credentials are for those who know me pretty impeccable - conservatives don't think things through anymore. Those who defend Rush's comments on health care miss the point of my criticism - the medical system in Hawaii, whether Rush pays cash for it or not, is structured around a single payer format and it works(the same would be true if Rusdh sought care in Canada or Italy or England, whatever). That's my point. Conservatives can be of many stripes; there is no single version, nor is one's position on health care the litmus test. When I became a conservative - inspired by Bill Buckley, who was a brilliant and gracious man, and certainly no crude opportunist like Rush, or a wannabe populist (on which see George Will's recent column) like Sarah - we accepted pragmatism as a feature of conservatism. If something works well, and works well over time, we tend to find ourselves supporting it whether we have an ideological justification for it not. Medicare and social security are like that, along with a standing army and paper money. I watched, half shaking my head, as the man himself, Barry Goldwater, evolved over time in his views on what conservatism was and should be. And was again inspired. So, which of you is prepared to match with me a lifetime of devoting yourself to conservative causes (this is how I make my living, not just what I do when driving the car and listening to the radio), or a reasoned justification for why you are a conservative or what you think it is? I'm sure some of you, but back in the day, when Reagan broke on the scene, many if not most conservatives read books full of ideas (Russell Kirk and Christopher Lasch, as well as the challenging writings of the Austrian economic school, and the legal essays of Robert Bork). Now, conservastives listen to idiots on the radio and tv, repeat what they hear, scream about socialism (!) and call themselves real conservatives. It seems more like therapy to me and less like the political action we engaged in that gave us our moment in the sun trying to bring real change to America. As I'll keep writing until some of us start getting it: we have met the enemy and they are us. Until we return to conservatism the way it was, at least in part, we will not deserve to run this country, and that includes not hating our own government. Government has a proper role to play in our lives. What that is, is the principal difference between progressives and conservatives. The commonplace that the government screws everything up is not true anymore than the commonplace that private business always succeeds is true. I'm sending this message via the internet. Score one for the government. I'm writing it on a low cost pc. Score one for business. Seems like a partnership that works. This is no endorsement of Obama or the Democrats, it's rather a call for us to start saying reasonalbe things again.

OldNavyVet| 3.12.10 @ 11:37AM

Dave said, “If something works well, and works well over time, we tend to find ourselves supporting it whether we have an ideological justification for it not. Medicare and social security are like that, along with a standing army and paper money." Last time I checked Medicare and social security are headed for insolvency, paper money is threatened with devaluation, and the standing army is barely standing due to back to back deployments, budget cuts, etc.
It seems that Dave never lets the facts get in the way of his rants.

doug| 3.13.10 @ 6:31PM

dave, your still full of crap, if your that ashamed to admit your a libtard, then just simply take your head out of the sand so you can see reality and switch to a conservative, you'll feel better about not being a communist dunce anymore and you'll instantly become smarter,(like a light bulb going off in your head), you won't have to pretend anymore!

Mike Kos| 3.12.10 @ 2:47PM

"Rush goes to Hawaii, gets some socialized medicine and then comes back to the mainland threatening to move to Costa Rica if Obama gets his way without even bother to figure out..."
Better get your 'conservative' facts straight:
1) Rush paid the full bill, with a discount for cash.
2) Rush said he would TRAVEL to Costa Rica for medical services (as I plan to do also), not MOVE there.

Diane| 3.13.10 @ 10:24AM

Dear Dave,
I cannot understand how you might condemn Sarah when in fact she is a very good example of the values conservatives try to project.
She stands up for our Republic whereas on the opposite end of the spectrum we have the messiah of socialism who has done little to advance the values upon which this nation was built. He served only on a rung of elitism from that of a
'community organizer', to a less than functional member of his state senate and even of less value as an US Senator. He goal was not to serve the nation but to advance the agenda of a policies that advance communism/progressivism/socialism.
On the other hand Sarah not only worked her way through college but she after marriage became a mayor of her hometown, was elected as governor of her state all the while raising her children, one of which is disabled. Yes she had the support of her husband who himself worked his butt off but most of her accomplishments were her own. Not aided by the Bill Ayers of this world nor the other radicals who would damn this nation.
Sir, you talk not much different than many of those I have come into contact of late who forget that this nation is not of service to the majority but was founded under law and Sarah exemplifies that when in fact Obama does not. Perhaps best to let you see the differences as they were presented by our founders. Please look at this link: http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/

Nick| 3.10.10 @ 6:52PM

Pay no attention to Bob's posts below.

He is known as 3/5 Bob, because until last June, he thought that blacks had 3/5 of a vote, under the original U.S. Constitution.

He also doesn't know the scientific fact of when human biological life begins because he is unsure of when "ensoulment" happens.

He also claimed he translated the Bible from the original Aramaic when he was a teenager.

He is a pseudo-intellectual and an anti-Christian bigot.

Don't waste your time arguing with him.

canuckistani| 3.11.10 @ 11:25AM

As a Canadian observer of US politics, it's astonishing to see the number of incompetents to achive high office in the US. We need you guys to be better. With the talent and sheer force you can muster, why have such imbeciles be put up as your leaders?
Obama is almost as bright as Bill Clinton, and yet you have this visceral rejection of his intellect. Use him to move things along. You almost had him as a centrist last summer and you blew it. Remember Clinton's move to the center when he was spooked? Probably the best legislative environment existed then with smart people at the helm: Gingrinch and Clinton.
Policies aside, you revel in wrapping your arms around people like Reagan and Palin as flag-bearers of your cause. Cold-warrior aside, Reagan would fail the "Reagan" litmus test today. He raised taxes, cut and run from Lebanon and made deals with Iran mere years after the hostage crisis. He precipitated the S&L debacle and misunderstood the financial impact his supply-side policies had on real incomes. His successor Bush 41, signed the execution order of the American worker when he pushed MFN trading status for China at the behest of Sam Walton and other robber barons. Palin is a quitter, has a separatist husband and is breathtaking in her ignorance of not just facts, but even approaches to issues she will need to tackle if elected for anything again.
I embrace a lot of the fiscal conservative policies the right wants to develop knowing the raping of the middle-class has to stop.
Ditch the social agenda and the imbeciles like Palin and you can improve on your great country.
The masses want a buddy, but they need leadership. Do what's needed. The rest of us need you to be better.

PsychoDad| 3.11.10 @ 12:14PM

What evidence do you have for President sock Puppet's "intellect"? College transcripts? Law school transcripts? Law review articles? All MIA. All there is to offer is a book which was ghost written by an Marxist radical.

Try again.

bmatkin| 3.11.10 @ 11:41PM

Canuckistani doesn't speak for Canada or me, (another canuck) please disregard his drivel as I am sure that he is a product of the liberal intelligentsia that has turned Canada from a once world power to a kindergarten class. His drivel is self-evident
BO is an empty suit, Clinton"s intelligence resided below his belt and Nancy is the most preposterous legislator I have ever seen.
Canuckistani probably thinks "Iggy" is smart.

canuckistani| 3.12.10 @ 9:53AM

You have to admit the best legislative environment existed when a smart president was pragmatic enough to keep his fringe at bay and give enough latitude to the opposition to keep their fringe in check as well. My problem is watching the fantasy world continue without fail and now the public embracing obviously substandard candidates. (Obama now included)
As I stated in my first note, I agree with the fiscal conservative policies being put forward. The populist pap is killing me because the masses are buying into it. BO will probably be a 1-termer for one reason, inability to lead when it counted, and that was keeping his fringe at bay. The truth is he is probably part of the fringe as well, but smart conservatives could have played him better and used his intellectual side to get what they wanted.
As far as Canada goes, we've never been a world "power", and I don't want it to be. We're a trading nation, always were, always will be. But our #1 trading partner is the US, and with you guys in the ditch, means I have to work even harder.
I wouldn't equate Canada with a kindergarten class either.
Unemployment: falling
Healthcare: 10% of GDP v 17%
Banking: strongest worldwide, lowest structural debt.
Health rating: top 10 v #37 for US
Socially: gay marriage, no abortion law, restricted guns, semi-legal pot, lower drinking age, no death penalty: and the development index continues to rise in spite of these "evils", and MArx and Mao are not holding court in the central square. I don't agree with all of these social realities, but society has continued and our institutions have not failed. Perhaps freedom is actually a good place to start and getting the masses to focus on who's ripping them off and what can be done to stop it.

GEORGE| 3.12.10 @ 7:31PM

Your ignorance of the US knows no bounds. Even if you believe in BO's "first rate intellect", itself a doubtful proposition, his ignorance of basic economics makes him a third-rate leader.

martin j smith| 3.10.10 @ 7:47AM

The Left learned their rep[orting at the USSR Institute for Media Studies. What do you expect ? Chopped liver ?

Brian72| 3.10.10 @ 8:08AM

This is how it works.
One stupid inaccurate smear is put forward on some hack whacko liberal blog, unsourced, unconfirmed speculation.
Then Keith Uberdouche, or Chrissy Matthews gets a tingle up their leg when they see it, and presto, it is suddenly a TV story, unchecked and unchanged.
Next thing you know CNN has picked it up, then the NYT or WaPo, or even the Anchorage Daily News.
When the conservosphere proves it is bullcrap, maybe FOX picks that up, maybe not.

By then the jackals have moved on to the next carcass, and the mess they made of the truth is still uncorrected for anyone who doesn't partake of right-side media.

Rinse and repeat, as necessary.

Paula| 3.10.10 @ 6:17PM

Yeah no kidding! What are some of the smears you have in mind?

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 9:19AM

Of course, you conveniently missed the point because you only watch Fox News. The point is that this was a slip. Prior to this, when she talked about this incident she said her brother received care in Juneau. She lies just like any politician -- Democrat or Republican.

Interested Conservative| 3.10.10 @ 9:30AM

Bob - she was five! Still lying? At least she wasn't named after a New Zealand mountaineer.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 9:35AM

She wasn't five when she made the conflicting statements. She was just being political and you know it....

Troll Watch| 3.10.10 @ 10:04AM

Bob voted for Joe Biden. He is our Vice President and one of Bob's men in Washington. Bob is responsible for this health care monstrosity and should never be let off that hook. There is what Bob says and then there is what Bob does. He can pretend that Obama was going to be his kind of moderate but then he looks even more stupid.

Doorgunner| 3.10.10 @ 9:31AM

In the fourth paragraph, the last sentence is "Palin told her audience:". Click on the"told" hyperlink, read the article, and realize that Mr. Goldstein has included all the 'facts' to which you allude.

Your Derangement Syndrome is showing.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 9:37AM

How many people actually click on the links???? He left it out on purpose because Palin blinders have been widely distributed here.

doorgunner| 3.10.10 @ 9:53AM

I hear moose hunting calms the nerves. A little time at the Wasilla Day Spa, a little time afield with a .338 Win Mag, fix ya right up... you betcha.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 10:22AM

Actually, I just squeezed off a couple of shots on my Glock 19.

David Jack Smith | 3.10.10 @ 10:45AM

Let me guess, you still missed your head.

oof oof| 3.10.10 @ 7:49PM

Gawd, and I thought just his opinions were off target.

Bob: Try 2 hands the next time.

Doorgunner| 3.10.10 @ 11:37AM

"...squeezed off a couple of shots on my Glock 19."

Is that what you call it? Both hands on the keyboard, Bobby.

PsychoDad| 3.11.10 @ 12:18PM

Half-Life 2 doesn't count.

Ted| 3.10.10 @ 10:36AM

How many people click on the links? Well, people who want to make sure they are not putting their foot in their mouth tend to click on the links, for one.

Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 3.10.10 @ 3:20PM

Bob, were you born this ignorant & stupid or did you work hard to attain your current levels of ignorance & stupidity? Just curious.

lawyerchik1| 3.10.10 @ 10:15AM

Here's the thing - when you're five years old, you may recall different trips as part of the same thing; no one has thought of the possibility that her brother (or another of her siblings) might have had to go to Juneau on the ferry for some ailment, while her brother went to Whitehorse on the train for something else. It's equally likely that what she remembered was going on the ferry and going on the train, and that after she mentioned the ferry to Juneau, someone in her family said, "oh, no, that was the time we went to Whitehorse." Once it's been said, you can't go back and say, "when I spoke to you the last time, I thought this had happened when actually it was something else." Cut the woman a break - especially in light of her fairly good track record for credibility - instead of being so eager to jump on her for a mistake.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 10:24AM

She said this as an adult with full knowledge that admitting to Canadian health care was a mistake. Face it, she just lied -- something like the bridge to nowhere or Grandma dies. Listen, the quitter lies like all politicians.

Ted| 3.10.10 @ 10:38AM

Poor Bob. It must be that Sarah Palin is evil and vile. It couldn't possible be a simple mistake. It couldn't possibly be any other reason. Such as, for instance, the recollection in question is almost 40 years old.

David Jack Smith | 3.10.10 @ 10:54AM

Ted, especially as Barack Obama can't remember what lie he told LAST WEEK.

Heck, in his autobiography, Karl writes how Rove cornered Obama on some lie he said about him (Rove) in his excerable book (He raved that Rove said America was a "Christian Nation")

Obama said FLAT OUT that he never wrote that.

Rove had the page from the book with him, pulled it out of his pocket and waved it in Obama's face.

Of course, the biggest lie was that Obama actually wrote the book bearing his name.

But please, let's all concentrate on a private citizen recalling her life as a five year old. That's what's so important today.

PsychoDad| 3.11.10 @ 12:20PM

See? The Sock Puppet didn't lie at all, Bill Ayers wrote it!

notoobama| 3.10.10 @ 2:40PM

At least she's not a friggin' lying socialist commie like to fool we have in the White House today.
God, I can't wait for Nov when the congress is readjusted and he is made the biggest lame duck the US has ever had.
Go sit down Barry. We don't want to hear your lies anymore.

JimE| 3.10.10 @ 6:37PM

Bobtard,
What's your piont? You lie constantly on this board.

Lorrie| 3.11.10 @ 12:03AM

Actually, I believe the family went to Whitehorse to treat the original injury but to Juneau for follow up visits. It does help to get all of the information before concluding that people are lying or have some sinister motives. Why in God's name is this a story?

lawyerchik1| 3.11.10 @ 10:57AM

Exactly. Thank you, Lorrie!! :)

Diane| 3.11.10 @ 2:56PM

lawyerchik1,
You are exactly right. How many times have I told children and having been corrected that my memory of what had happened as a child was a bit askew and not exact. A child often mistakes one issue with another and one memory intermingled with another.
Bob seems so defensive of the liberal slant that he himself only adds to the fact that he really is a defender of their lies and subterfuges by taking literally the memory of a child and transposing it as if something else. Where was Bob when the libs were telling the lie that Kerry was smarter than Bush when in fact Bush scored higher than Kerry in the Yale test scores. Huh??????? Oh forgot...a lib lie is to be treated as fact even when shown to be just what it is...a fabrication.

David Jack Smith | 3.10.10 @ 10:43AM

BOB the Palindrone spews forth yet again. He never saw a point he couldn't miss by a country mile.

This time he makes even less sense than usual. Crazy like a Fox obsessed loon.

Dai Alanye | 3.10.10 @ 5:40PM

What is it about Sarah Palin that reduces Bob to a gibbering fool? What was it about B O that made him into a slobbering worshiper?

His approach to politics is emotional rather than cognitive.

Paula| 3.10.10 @ 6:07PM

"His approach to politics is emotional rather than cognitive."

Read your own post.

PsychoDad| 3.11.10 @ 12:22PM

That is the very heart of leftism.

Whether in the political arena or in one's personal life, the mantra "If it feels good, do it," regardless of reason, common sense, or consequences.

Richard Baker| 3.10.10 @ 9:37AM

Poor liberals. I guess they figure that 5 is the age of majority, as long as she's concerned. Considering that Alaska is remote from the Lower 48 and Canada is closer, going to Whitehorse was probably the site of the nearest facility for serious treatment. Who knows and who cares? PDS, indeed.

Tim| 3.10.10 @ 9:42AM

Forget Helen of Troy. Palin opens her mouth and entire fleets launch from left and right.

JmsA| 3.10.10 @ 9:50AM

To paraphrase a WWII phrase, if you're catching flak you're flying over the target. That's why the lefties continue to attack her, because she's hurting them.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 10:39AM

Actually, the reason most libs use Palin as an example is to paint Republicans as knuckle draggers. That's why she just has to go away. No moderate or independent will take Republicans seriously if Palin is the example. If I were a Democrat strategist, I'd associate Palin with Republicans at every chance -- especially given her low ratings. Just a few FACTS... Her approval rating is now 37% with a 55% DISAPPROVAL. 71% of voters consider he to be UNQUALIFIED to be president with the greatest growth in that number coming from CONSERVATIVES. This includes 52% of Republicans who consider her to be unqualified.

It isn't Palin Derangement Syndrome, it's Palin Utilization Technique. But I guess if you are a knuckle dragger, you wouldn't understand.

Cal Mark| 3.10.10 @ 12:20PM

My, what a long post, full of SHOUTING.

Old military saying: "If you have to work really hard to prove your conclusion, you've probably got the wrong conclusion."

One last thing: if you hate Palin so much, we'll be glad to have her. Then no one will take Republicans seriously (as you say) and you'll win everything because she's so (as you say) awful.

What does a lib care that the GOP won't be taken seriously?

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 12:30PM

Actually, Cal, I'm probably far more fiscally conservative than you. I want the government out of my pockets and out of my bedroom. I want Washington to be significantly smaller. Government is NOT the answer, and that goes for stimulus plans AND tax cuts. As the macroeconomic data shows that I have provided in the past, neither one do a good job of stimulating the economy. I want a flat tax and to get get rid of both capital gains and business income taxes. I don't believe the government should restrict personal liberties and that includes no restriction on abortion or gay marriage.

Now, just how does that make me a lib???? The problem with you ideological freaks is that you value belief above reason. I dislike Palin, Rush, Beck, etc., because they do more harm to fiscal conservatism than to help it. Hell, I'm not even in favor of the government paying to keep Grandma alive.

Margie| 3.10.10 @ 1:13PM

Who is the ideological "freak" but the one who denies the very existence of the Creator?
Such a one stands on sinking sand.

Flee| 3.10.10 @ 3:57PM

You really want a flat tax? Great! Please inform your president of choice that Democrats prefer a flat tax. Will 15% or 20% be sufficient? Same for $20,000 as for $20,000,000 earners? That would be fantastic. Do you also want fed govt out of education, arts, energy, welfare, unemployment, medicare, soc sec...? Now we're talking. Unrestricted abortion and gay marriage? Are you sure you're at the right site? If you really want freedom push the govt out of everything but national defense and immigration defense. We don't need them for much more than that.

Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 3.10.10 @ 3:24PM

Bob, your causing the Stupidometer to spike. Currently your readings on the Stupidometer scale are up there with "messiah" Obama's.

PsychoDad| 3.11.10 @ 12:23PM

Low ratings? Those ratings are still higher than President Sock Puppet's, and light years beyond Congress.

Jon B| 3.13.10 @ 5:28AM

I don't know why Bob even bothers to help you look at yourselves, and how far you've wandered from the words you use, and values you think you uphold. Somebody should pay him for baby sitting the kids in here.

David| 3.10.10 @ 9:54AM

I am a Canadian and I fully appreciate the health care system around the time when Palin was a child. At that time, Canadian system has so much extra government money that it is willing to pay for anyone marginally accessible to it. That is how the health agency can ask the tax-payers for more money. How time has changed. Canada cannot afford the waste any more. And so US should not.

Cris Worth| 3.10.10 @ 11:20AM

Sarah utilized a particular health care system at the age of 5, Romney imposed one on Mass. citizens at the age of 59. His record speaks for itself...once again higher medical costs, higher insurance premiums and higher medicaid costs impacting taxpayers nationwide. Huffington Post ought to sink their fangs into that.

Jon B| 3.13.10 @ 5:29AM

Palin used it. Her brother used it, and her husband as an adult used it too. Because it works, unlike the US system.

Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 11:52AM

Sarah Palin has one of the worst political records I've ever seen when you include the Wasilla debacle. It's lucky for her that the alleged "liberal" media never got around to reporting it. She also asked for and received the most pork of any Governor, $453 million from her office alone out of $750 million total.

I think if the GOP wishes to discredit themselves by propping her up, that's fine with me. Meanwhile, I have more important things to do today. There's a Scooby-Do special on the cartoon Network.

Cal Mark| 3.10.10 @ 12:21PM

If you have better things to do, Mr. Lib, why are you trolling here?

Strange, how libs seem obsessed with "irrelevant" conservative commentary.

Leave us be, Lib.

Ken (Old Texican)| 3.10.10 @ 12:31PM

Jon B,
Heh, you are still and will remain a bald faced liar it seems.
You are way out of your depth here, however.
Enjoy your cartoons.

Margie| 3.10.10 @ 1:07PM

Jon B.~ Instead of Scooby-doo you ought to be spending that time getting back to me with that "information" you claimed to have about the Greek translation of the word food, eh?
No, Scooby-doo suits you better. Besides that means less time for you to take up here with your lies.

Flee| 3.10.10 @ 4:00PM

At least she has a record to review. Your president of choice preferred to vote present and not disclose his sterling academic records. Not to mention writing books about himself before he had any accomplishments. He should be called the thin man since there's not much there there.

Louis Jenkins| 3.10.10 @ 5:03PM

And don't forget, his birth certificate. It's sealed away somewhere in a lava tube in Hawaii.

Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 7:35PM

Obama voted "present" 130 out of 4,000 votes is a problem for you?

BTW, McCain missed the most votes in the Senate when he served with Obama, 62%. Notes the double standards, and hypocrisy...

Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 7:37PM

Obama represented more people in his district in Chicago than Palin did in Alaska. Just that you would even comper them shows me how far out of touch with reality you are. Sure she can appear to be a nice person, that's fine. She's just not competent and never will be.

oof oof | 3.10.10 @ 8:00PM

Right, so representing some Chicagoan in a state senate seat is more work than being governor of a state.

You, my child, are a fool. Now back to your cartoons, boy, and stop interrupting the adults.

Jon B| 3.13.10 @ 5:31AM

"Oh, these blogs are soooo hard! Gag me with a spoon! I QUIT!!"

But then I'd be like Sarah, and you think quitting is cool when things get tough, lol.

RAMIII| 3.10.10 @ 12:27PM

The trolls always try to take the discussion away from the main topic of the article. They don't really debate or provide valid arguments. They merely obfuscate the facts with their drivel.

Because of their motivations they cannot face the clear truth, they would rather wallow in their ideological muck since it hides all their own warts and other flaws which would be evident to all if they allowed the truth to permeate their thinking.

It is fun/humorous for a while, but grows tiresome, just like someone who brings a soccer ball to a football game expecting to be able to modify the rules to support their little whims.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 12:32PM

Actually, it is you and your ilk that doesn't deal with facts and data. In my original post, I pointed out that the author neglected to include ALL of the facts in the body of the post -- on purpose. I guess reason isn't your strong suit...

RAMIII| 3.10.10 @ 12:37PM

"-- on purpose" Hmm?
Aren't you projecting yourself upon the author a little here.

Why would you assume that he would omit information "on purpose"?

RAMIII| 3.10.10 @ 12:46PM

btw "Bob" are you admitting to being a troll since you replied directly to my comments about trolls?

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 12:55PM

I've been constantly named a "troll" here even though I'm more fiscally conservative and want liberty more than most of you. So I responded. I'm going to fight for true fiscal conservatism and liberty every chance that I get. And you don't do that through ideology.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 12:52PM

Not in the slightest. Just like at Huffington Post, the bloggers here lack any real objectivity. We don't have ANY objective media anymore whether it is Fox News or MSNBC. Unfortunately, we've reached the point where factual data, critical thinking, and real analysis is not practiced by anyone. It's not taught in schools anymore, either. In it's place we are getting ideological claptrap like non-intelligent design on the right and an overstatement of the impact of minorities on the left. Gee, most people here still believe that tax cuts are stimulative when all of the inflation adjusted data says clearly that is not true. They see more snow in the Northeast and think that disproves global warming when many parts of the globe (like Vancouver) have a lot less snow. They probably still believe the earth is flat because that is how it looks out of their front window.

We cannot solve problems through ideology -- we must agree on a set of facts, try to be objective, come up with alternatives, then adjudicate those alternatives with real data.

RAMIII| 3.10.10 @ 1:14PM

Bob,
I appreciate your sentiments, but you use rather broad brush strokes in your statements.
A couple of definitions for ideology for reference:
"1.the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.
2.such a body of doctrine, myth, etc., with reference to some political and social plan, as that of fascism, along with the devices for putting it into operation."

E.G. one must "believe" that electricity works before one will turn on a light switch.

The article's main point is that what sounded good for Canada in the 1960's has proven to be a colossal failure at the tremendeous cost of people well being and lives. We should not be forced into govmt health "solutions" either. It is a road fraught with grief and danger.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 1:20PM

The fact, RAM, is that health care in Canada costs half as much as the U.S. and the overall results in most health metrics are better. As a fiscal conservative, my argument is economic, not ideological, in nature. I believe in American exceptionalism and know that in order to be competitive with other countries, we have to lower health care expenses to about 10% of GDP from about 17%. Those are the facts. Actually, the system with the best metrics right now, both from a health and fiscal perspective, is Taiwan, not Canada. Look it up.

RAMIII| 3.10.10 @ 1:32PM

This fact of Canada's health care costs is due to the FACT that the government RATIONS its health services to real people, where here there is no rationing yet because the tax payer covers the minority of system abusers. You could probably apply the 80/20 Rule.

I am glad you believe in American Exceptionalism. it means you believe in something (which could be considered ideology).

Newton's 3rd law of motion could be applied here:
Every action has a reaction equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.

In principle this applies to economics as well.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 1:47PM

"This fact of Canada's health care costs is due to the FACT that the government RATIONS its health services"

Absolutely true, and why we need to ration our care. Then people can pay for anything in addition themselves. If you don't believe in rationing, you are not a fiscal conservative, because it means you want everything and are not willing to pay for it.

"I am glad you believe in American Exceptionalism. it means you believe in something (which could be considered ideology)."

Actually, I don't believe in it for ideological reasons. Our culture induces more creativity which is the stimulus for exceptionalism. This is fact, not ideology. I use "exceptionalism" as a short hand for a more creative and enterprising culture.

RAMIII| 3.10.10 @ 2:03PM

I don't want ANY government involvement in my health care! Without government there is no rationing! Only my own decisions about how to spend my money and on what.

"Actually, I don't believe in it for ideological reasons"

Please re-read the above post for definition of ideology.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 2:08PM

So try to get elected by saying you want to get rid of Medicare. And my statement on ideology stands. The problem is that a majority of people in this country don't have the resources to live for more than a month or two without a good job. And most seniors could not afford their care. Now how do you do that without government involvement? How many people are you willing to let die????

RAMIII| 3.10.10 @ 2:18PM

I wonder how they pay for their cell phones, cable/dish service, vacations, etc?

I cared for my elderly father a number of years before he passed away. I took out a mortgage to PAY for his medical care. After he passed away I received a bill from the county in which he lived for care/premiums that supposedly had been free. Don't talk to me about: "Now how do you do that without government involvement? How many people are you willing to let die????"

I am now finished playing football with your "soccer" ball. You may have the last word if you wish.

oof oof| 3.10.10 @ 8:09PM

Bob, I got a better idea. Why not get the government completely out of health care. I mean out of Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, hell privatize all of it. Make the consumers of the services be the ones directly responsible for their own health care. Put market forces to work. The cost will come down. You'll argue that noone could afford it, and you'd be right at the current price. But don't you think the health care system would HAVE to make prices more reasonable then? Basic supply and demand. Prices too high, supply dries up. Prices come down, more people would use the services. Hell, at the very least, mommy would stop taking her brats to the ER very time they sneeze.

Capt_ray| 3.11.10 @ 1:17PM

Bob,
you speak of claptrap, well my little troll, all you spout is simple claptrap, that you try to dress up as all knowing wisdom !

Ken (Old Texican)| 3.10.10 @ 1:06PM

The problem, Bob, is that the facts we can agree on with you, are nonexistent. You are a minority of "one" with your opinions on what facts are in fact, facts.

You prove almost every day here that "intelligent design" is in fact... a fact. You yourself can hopefully appreciate a beautiful sunset. Why is it "beautiful"?

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 1:17PM

That's because we never see facts from you, Ken. You don't present charts and data, do the analytical regressions, or even research the issues.

Regarding the "beautiful" sunset... All of our senses achieve pleasing of displeasing stimuli. If something is too hot, we get burned. If something is too cold, we freeze. If something is too loud, it hurts us. If we hear certain combinations of musical notes, it is pleasing. "Beautiful", is a combination of learned response to stimulus and, just like hot and cold, with some responses hard wired into our brains. Why else would testing in white cultures show whites to be more "beautiful" than non-whites?

You just want to give up on science and think that your mythical creature in the sky is the only reason things occur. That is not reason, it is belief and you are entitled to yours. We used to think the earth was flat, now we know it is round. We used to think that women and blacks were lesser people, now we know that most of that difference is nurture, not nature.

If you want to live in the past, you are welcome to do so.

So please, present me the graphical data, inflation adjusted, over time that tax cuts stimulate the economy. Please prove me wrong without using selected data (as I can make just about anything true with selected data).

Alas, you seem to be factually deficient. I guess once you make the determination that all of the answers are in the bible, you no longer have to use your brain.

Interested Conservative| 3.10.10 @ 1:49PM

Bob - you kicked off this kerfuffle with the following:

"Prior to this, when she talked about this incident she said her brother received care in Juneau. She lies just like any politician -- Democrat or Republican."

And ended it requesting ". . . graphical data, inflation adjusted, over time that tax cuts stimulate the economy."

Now - it took a few steps to get from beginning to end, but just for kicks - how did she lie? Is it possible she had separate recollections at different times? Does it depend on what the meaning of "is" is, or "was" is, or "was" was, or "is" was?

Feel free to use graphical data, adjusted as necessary. Or not.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 1:55PM

Now that was funny....

But seriously, I don't think she's any different than any other politician including Obama. She will "shade the truth" to make her point and knows that those that like her will not be objective and call her on it. It drives me up the wall when I hear politicians on both sides not directly answer questions. I want to pull them out of the TV screen and slap them around a bit. I find no difference, in that respect, between liberals and conservatives.

The difference for me is that I would like conservatives to be less ideological and more objective/factual as that will provide better governance. The fiscal data is on the side of conservatism -- why downgrade it by using people like Palin to spread the word????

John II| 3.10.10 @ 2:20PM

Roberto, you seem to be missing the point. Yet again it becomes my heavy burden to point out the obvious to you. But let me try a different tack.

Suppose I were to suggest that you read Karol Wojtyla's (the late John Paul II's) 1998 encyclical "Fides et Ratio." The title means "Faith and Reason," and it was written by one of the premier western philosophers of the 20th century. Among other interesting things, it deals precisely and deeply with the relation between faith and reason and shows how and why the two are dependent on one another.

My guess is that you would blow off my suggestion and refuse to waste your time on such a project. In other words, you would display uninterest, jazzed up a tad perhaps with some gesture of contempt and hostility.

But the reason, so to speak, for your response would not be reason, but rather ideology. All your postings indicate that you subscribe with passion to the ideology of rationalism. And rationalism is something different from rationality, whether or not you're interested in that observation about the life of the mind. You may pursue the observation in "Fides et Ratio," if you choose, but you almost certainly won't.

You treasure an ideology that gives you warm fuzzies about yourself--and with very little imposition on the old brain stem. Yet the fact (here comes a fact, now, so listen up) that you hurl the term "ideology" against your interlocutors with such abandon (end of fact) suggests to me (beginning of inference) that your smug rationalism may be a pose and that, in your true deeps, you recognize the pose as being ideological in nature and thus deeply questionable--again, whether or not you care to apply tough questions to the pose.

And now back to reruns of "Have Gun--Will Travel." What a colossal gasbag the late Richard Boone was, albeit perhaps cognizant of the failing. After all, he was good friends with John Wayne.

RAMIII| 3.10.10 @ 2:30PM

Thank you John II.
Very succinctly put.
You have successfully exposed "Bob's" Red Herrings, a seeming favorite of the trolls.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 3:03PM

Rationalism is not an ideology, it is a practice. We all have some level of ideology based upon culture and nurture. Religious zealots must BELIEVE rationalism is an ideology or they negate the conflicts between reason and belief.

Regarding the brain stem argument, it is only reason that the more you depend on belief, the less you depend on reason as the prime motivator for finding answers.

I'm glad you know me so well -- it must be a burden on your to know you have such a circular argument making you right all of the time. I change my perspective when real world data does not align with my theories. You are prevented from doing so because your "brain stem" is blocked by an unwavering disregard for information that conflicts with your belief.

Now, I must correct you on the proper use of the term "brain stem". The brain stem is Underneath the limbic system. This structure is responsible for basic vital life functions such as breathing, heartbeat, and blood pressure. Scientists say that this is the "simplest" part of human brains because animals' entire brains, such as reptiles (who appear early on the evolutionary scale) resemble our brain stem.

Now, I actually utilize the reasoning parts of the brain. But you, using your "brain stem" to think, clearly explains why you can't reason properly.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 3:09PM

By the way, John, where did you get your training in science -- from the Bible? Or perhaps from Liberty University? You've de facto proven my case that the people who blog here know little about data, analysis, and science. Keep up the good work.

John II| 3.10.10 @ 4:46PM

But I don't know you at all, Roberto. Yet when you say "I'm glad you know me so well," you're communicating your contempt metaphorically. When I used the term "brain stem," I too was being metaphorical, as in "imposition on brain stem," get it?

Again, when you write that the brain stem "is responsible for basic vital life functions," you're predicating reflective purpose on a piece of body tissue, which is metaphorical.

I conclude from these empirical observations that you hold no grudge against metaphor. Yet you fault me for using metaphor.

I was trained in physics and math, but went the route of language, literature, and philosophy. It's not so much that I don't know science as that I find its practice oppressively shallow and presumptuous in the hands of those who know little else and, willy-nilly, adhere to the ideology of scientism.

You're not related to Richard Boone, are you?

Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 3.10.10 @ 3:30PM

Someone please give this unhinged useful idiot a couple of Phenobarbitals. His seizures on these threads are out of control.

Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 2:21PM

Because I care, I'll share this with you. 14 hours of research of Alaskan Newspapers, and some of the MSM corporate media gave me this.

As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist who the City Paid $40,000 A Year, and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. She inherited 0 debt as Mayor, but left Wasilla saddled w/$18 million in debt 6 years later: $3,000 per person.

Over $15 million of this debt was incurred due to her pushing a sports complex on land the City didn’t own, and was in litigation for years: recently settled for $1.3 million. Wasilla’s debt is $22 million now due to interest on the debt, & resolving the lawsuit.

Palin reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax, which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners far more than they benefited residents. She increased government expenditures by 63%, & increased taxes by 38 percent.

Palin increased salaries of govt employees by 67%, & increased spending on furniture/office supplies by 117%. She increased spending on outside professional services by 932%.

Wasilla funded 97.5% of its pensions when she started, and only 73% when she left. Debt Service spending increased 69% under Palin in her 1st year as mayor.

Palin threatened the City Council to install her own picks for open seats if they did not resolve a deadlock. She even brought in state GOP lawyers to pull it off, but the city attorney repeatedly pointed out that this was illegal. She then fired him.

In 1997, the Wasilla council made a push to create a city manager position because Palin did not have the management skills to run the City of Wasilla.” [Frontiersman, 2/21/97]

Headline: “Mayor Palin fails to have a firm grasp of something very simple: the truth.” [Frontiersman, 2/7/97]

Headline: “Palin may face recall” [Frontiersman, 2/5/97] About 100 Wasilla residents gathered in 1997 to discuss recalling Palin for firing people w/o just cause.

Two weeks after becoming mayor, Palin instituted a gag order on talking to the media for the city’s top employees. And she used city money to buy a white Suburban for the mayor’s use; the “Mayor mobile.”

In Palin’s 20 months in office, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita pork request in the nation. Her office alone requested about $453 million of it.

Palin supported the Bridge to Nowhere repeatedly in 2006, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." She abandoned the $400 million bridge only after it became an embarrassment, but she took the pork & spent it somewhere else.

Of the 50 states, Alaska ranks No. 1 in taxes per resident and No. 1 in spending per resident. Its tax burden per resident is 2 1/2 times the national average & its spending, more than double. The trick is that Alaska's government spends money on its own citizens and taxes the rest of us to pay for it.

On average, ¾ of the value of a barrel of oil is taken by Alaska govt before the oil is permitted to leave the state. Alaska residents each get a yearly check for $2,000 from oil revenues, plus an additional $1,200 pushed through by Palin last year to take advantage of rising oil prices. No sympathy from the governor of Alaska for folks in the lower 48 who are suffering from high gas prices or can't afford to heat their homes.

Alaska ranks No. 1 in money it sucks in from Washington. In 2005 Alaska ranked 18th in federal taxes paid per resident ($5,434) but 1st in federal spending received per resident ($13,950), and ranks # 1 in the amount it receives from Washington over and above the amount it sends in.

At the Republican National Convention, Palin bragged that she had vetoed "nearly $500 million" in state spending during her 2 years as governor. This is less than 2% of the proposed budget.

Since taking office in 2007, Ms. Palin has spent 312 nights at her Wasilla home, some 600 miles to the north of the governor’s mansion in Juneau, records show. She sought travel reimbursement for all 312 nights.

At an Alaska Municipal League gathering in Juneau, mayors across the political spectrum swapped stories of the governor’s remoteness. How many, someone asked, have tried to meet with her? Every hand went up, recalled Mayor Fred Shields of Haines Borough. And how many met with her? Just a few hands rose.

Palin backed exporting Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) to Japan and other Asian Countries while Alaska businesses were closing due to shortages. Agrium permanently closed its plant near Kenai due to lack of local supply. Palin backed the extension anyway. “This is great news for the state and its residents.”

Palin claims that Alaska provides, "20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of oil and gas." The reality: About 6 % of U.S. oil and gas production, or a 3.5% share of the Nation’s energy production.

Palin helped kill a proposition requiring that emissions from Pebble Mine be non-toxic to fish & humans. Pebble Mine will be the largest open-pit gold mine in North America & dumps it’s toxics into Bristol Bay. Palin’s in-laws commercially fish in Bristol Bay.

Alaska is heating up 4 times faster than then the global average. Several costal villages are relocating because of rising water. Palin opposes policies that reduce greenhouse gasses & kept Alaska out of the Western Climate Initiative, which includes every Pacific coastal state including British Columbia.

Throughout her political career, Palin has pursued vendettas, fired officials who crossed her & blurred the line between government and personal grievance, according to a review of public records and interviews with 60 Republican & Democratic legislators, & local officials.

In 1997, Palin fired the Wasilla city librarian. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Emmons for not giving ‘full support’ to the mayor." City residents rallied to the defense of the librarian, so she backed off & withdrew her termination letter.

Palin sent letters of termination to the City Planner, Finance Director, Library Director, Police Chief, Museum and City Works and Public Works Directors. Only the Librarian survived.

Palin quickly fired the town’s museum director, John Cooper. Days later, Palin supporter Steve Stoll sidled up to Mr. Cooper. Mr. Stoll had a long-running feud with Mr. Cooper. ”Gotchya, Cooper,” He said. Wasilla’s entire museum staff quit over this.

Palin fired the longtime city attorney, Richard Deuser, after he issued a stop-work order on a home being built by Don Showers, one of her campaign supporters. “Professionals were either forced out or fired,” said Mr. Deuser. She had clashed previously with Deuser several times when she tried to violate State laws.

During Palin’s mayoral administration, most of the actual work of running the small city was turned over to an administrator who she had been pushed to hire after she had gotten in trouble over the firings, which had given rise to a recall campaign.

John Harris, Republican speaker of the House, picked up his phone & heard Todd Palin’s voice. The governor’s husband sounded edgy. “I understood from the call that Todd wasn’t happy with me hiring John & he’d like to see him not there. The Palin family gets upset at personal issues. And they want to strike back.”

Palin filled a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Franci cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly $2 million agency.

Under investigation for abuse of power, Palin & her staff & family contacted Walt Monegan 36 times (head of Alaska’s public Safety Commission), who she fired, after pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace Walt with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew him.

Palin’s recent claim that Monegan made an unauthorized trip to DC prompted State officials to provide a travel document showing he had signed authorization from the governor's chief of staff.

Another false claim is that democrats pushed the investigation: The House Judiciary Committee vote to endorse the issuance of the subpoenas included 5 Republicans and 2 Democrats.

Sept. 22, 2008~ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Less than a week after balking at the Alaska Legislature's investigation into her alleged abuse of power, Gov. Sarah Palin on Monday indicated she will cooperate with a separate probe run by people she can fire.

Alaskan professor Rick Steiner sought e-mail messages of state scientists who had examined the effect of global warming on polar bears. (Ms. Palin said the scientists had found no ill effects, and she has sued the federal government to block the listing of the bears as endangered.) A Palin official told Mr. Steiner that his request would cost $468,784 to process. Mr. Steiner obtained the e-mail messages through a federal records request; he found that state scientists had agreed that the bears were in danger. “Their secrecy is off the charts,” Mr. Steiner said.

Interested Conservative| 3.10.10 @ 3:11PM

A lot of cut and pasting there.

Still, the simple questions are 1 - would she be a better POTUS than the current one, and 2 - would she be better than any other contenders.

REGARDLESS OF ALL THE IDENTIFIED FAULTS, the answer to 1 is, alas, probably yes.

The answer to 2 is probably not, but it's also much closer than almost all the detractors think, including the most serious and substantive critics.

Simply consider the argument that at their respective ages, she is very arguably ahead of where Reagan was. Now, that said, she's still behind lots of others, but she's nobodies fool, and for parting shots sake, she's also likely far more liberal than you'll ever hear discussed - basically because nobody bothers getting that far into the discussion.

Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 3.10.10 @ 3:35PM

I.C., Wile E. Coyote would be a better POTUS than the current occupant. ACME POTUS kit & all!

Interested Conservative| 3.10.10 @ 3:14PM

PS - Jon B - per the last paragraph of that extended discussion, I'm sure Bob would appreciate seeing the charts which Mr. Steiner alleges "their secrecy" is off of (if I could offer a Churchillian conclusion).

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 3:24PM

So IC, you actually are a "Care Bear"????? I couldn't give a rat's ___ about saving any particular species. I don't even care if Grandma dies, why should I care about bears? Where are you coming from on this?

Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 3.10.10 @ 3:53PM

Bob, have you ever heard of a drug called Phenobarbital? Doctors give it to epileptics to prevent seizures. It's been very successful in treating epilepsy. If it prevents epileptic seizures, just think what it would do for the primal scream therapy you practice every day here at AS. You need to cool off & calm down or your head will explode right here on one of these threads. Get help before it's too late. Talking to GOD will definitely help your raging hysteria too. Life is too short to be in an angry rage every day.

Bob| 3.10.10 @ 4:12PM

You seem to have a fascination with neurological maladies. Isn't your therapist treating you well? I'm have a load of fun -- are you???? Keep up those Lithium treatments....

Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 3.10.10 @ 5:06PM

"It's a far better thing to keep quiet & not let anyone know you are a fool than to open your mouth & dispel all doubt."
Isn' that right there fool?

Ken (Old Texican)| 3.10.10 @ 4:08PM

Yes! Jon B,
We know precisey where you got your so-called info above and for whom it was compiled...rather "piled" during the 2008 smear campaign against Governor Palin.
I love it when you guys foam at the mouth, though, so keep it up.
Quite entertaining.

John II| 3.10.10 @ 4:59PM

I like the part about the Alaskan Professor and the polar bears best. Myself, I'm a Kansan Professor, born and bred in the heart of the Americano wilderness. And even from these inner recesses of the Americano Empire, I have evidence that the polar bears are breeding like rabbits and dashing all hopes for yet another attribution of fauna extinction to the man-caused disaster of Global Warming.

blackwatch| 3.10.10 @ 11:06PM

but maybe the sub-species "Liberalus Hackus" may go extinct due to the global cooling period that the SUN is causing.

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The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach | RecordsInn.Com links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

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Yves Bauer| 3.10.10 @ 3:50PM

I am Canadian and quite happy with our health care system. I am willing to take our socialist, communist government run health care system any day over the American system.

Interested Conservative| 3.10.10 @ 3:55PM

Yves - you cannot have it both ways. Is it socialist or communist?

Yves Bauer| 3.10.10 @ 4:04PM

Well according to Fox News and commentators on this website, Canada is a plethora of things. So take your pick :)
We do not really care, as we are doing pretty well up here in Canada. Our health care is good and our banks did not go bust...

Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 3.10.10 @ 3:58PM

Yves, "President" Barack Obama & his insane asylum, aka The U.S. Congress have determined the American people are "ungovernable" & would like to come up there & take over Canada. Please drop them a line & let them know whether or not yourself & the rest of your fellow Canadians are interested if you could. Thanks & have a nice day!

Big Lebowski| 3.10.10 @ 5:31PM

I completely agree Yves dear, we HAVE THE BEST HEALTH care, second only to the British NHS, which gives us free medical and abortion rights on demand.I am very happy that I will have to wait 30+ years for my Liver transplant, if it gets approved , since I am in AA. But, I love the free motrin and cough syrup.

Kirstin| 3.10.10 @ 8:21PM

Well, cool, stay there. Canada has a population of roughly 34 million; the US, roughly 309 million. A free market system works best here. We actually fought for our freedom and we appreciate it.

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The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach graduate university links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…: Sarah's Canadian Outreach In 1976, Keon founded the Un iversity of Ottawa Heart Institute. H ow long do cardiac patients in Ottawa wait for bypass surgery See original here: The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach tags: being-threatened, being-trespassed, great-recession, labour, latest, monetary, ontario, ontario-ministry, ottawa, the-latest, the-wait, University of OTTAWA | The Progressive…

Louis Jenkins| 3.10.10 @ 5:14PM

All of the conversation, and the article, still doesn't negate the coming of Government Run Health Care. Remember, isolate your target, and polarize it. Accuse the target of the same behavior, only make that behavior more dastardly sensational. They're taking attention off of one of the worst pieces of legislation to every come out of the anals of the District of Criminals. But blame it on Canada? Those kanucks can do what they will. We're headed for a disaster.

Mara| 3.10.10 @ 5:28PM

To Jon B: You’re truly naïve if you think Wasilla is the only city in the country that lobbies for Washington funding. By the way, most of that $450 million was not requested by Sarah and was used to fund a railroad spur beginning in Wasilla to go to Girdwood on the other side of Anchorage. Cities do not run the railroad.

Capitol Hill has once again become the scene of a lobbying free-for-all, with industry and local governments alike seeking some of the billions in taxpayer dollars that Congress is likely to spend in the not-too-distant future.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....03798.html

The Mayor of Wasilla cannot arbitrarily raise taxes or invest in property without the approval of the people.

In March, Wasilla voters went to the polls for a special election and approved a bond for $14.7 million for a sports arena and a sales-tax increase which began in July, raising the sales tax from 2 percent to 2.5 percent.

http://www.frontiersman.com/ar...../news4.txt

As I recall (I’ve been a Wasilla resident since 1978.), we had two council seats come open at the time Sarah threatened to install her own picks. The reason for the deadlock was primarily because one of the applicants already had three family members serving on the council, two uncles and a grandfather. The debate went well after midnight and Sarah, in frustration made her threat. Ultimately, the council did the right thing and installed someone else, rather than add another family member.

The City pushed to hire a city manager because our city and grown so quickly, it became obvious we had become too large to expect the mayor to handle all the many facets of management. We’ve had two mayors since Sarah and neither has moved to abolish the position, so they apparently believe it’s necessary too.

As for the recall election, that never occurred, because most Wasilla residents were happy with Sarah and the initiators of which John Stein, the mayor she defeated, was a part of, realized it was a waste of time and money. Though Sarah did ask for resignations from people who refused to act on her directives as the new mayor, she allowed them to reapply for their jobs. She did not fire anybody other than the Police Chief for insubordination and a year later a court of law ruled in her favor when he foolishly sued.

Ted Stevens and Frank Murkowski got the “Bridge to Nowhere” money, not Sarah. Granted, she expressed support for it during her successful campaign against Murkowski, but after taking office and learning that the bridge would cost much more than the original estimate and that the state public works director believed the money that after being allocated could not be returned to Washington would be better spent on more pressing projects, she killed it. Fancy that, a politician who actually admits a mistake and listens to her advisors.

As for all the pork brought into Alaska, are you really going to blame Sarah because Ted Stevens, a Senator since 1968 was a master of bringing home the bacon?

As for the Alaska PFD, perhaps you should read the Alaska State Constitution, written before Sarah was born, to find out who owns the mineral rights up here, because you and your “news” sources are really showing gross ignorance on this. Hint: Every resident! And the PFD payout (Created when Sarah was still in high school.) is like corporate investor dividends. For instance, if oil or gas is found on my property, I can’t do as they do in Texas and throw up an oil derrick to sell the oil. That’s because I don’t own the mineral rights myself, everybody does.

As for the special allocation of $1200, that was because we had people living in the bush areas, primarily Alaska Natives, whose average incomes are around $20,000 a year, who were being charged upwards $10.00 a gallon for heating oil. Since nothing can be paid out of that fund that is targeted to certain people and not all, it had to be given to all or risk people literally freezing to death in sub-zero temps. But, I have a question for you. Would you say the same thing about Nevadans because of their Millennium Scholarship Fund that essentially guarantees most children born in Nevada a college education funded by the taxpayers and not their parents?

By the way, the PFD varies according to how much it earns in investments, so it’s not $2,000 per year. One year it was as low as $500.

If you bother to read the article below, please bear in mind that Alaska borders Canada, even in the Arctic where the polar bears are. Trust me polar bears don’t understand borders like the human species.

An article in the Canadian press states that the estimated number of bears on the Boothia Peninsula, 1,300 kilometres west of Iqaluit, has actually increased to 1,500 animals from 900. As the article stated, the environmental groups don't seem to want to take information like that into consideration when pressing their case.

As for the rest of the unsubstantiated drivel, well that’s all it is and I’ll not waste another minute on you.

Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 7:42PM

Palin headed a committee specifically helping Stevens funnel the Pork to Alaska before she was Governor, then asked for $453 million from her office alone when she became Governor, yet she had the moral ineptitude to actually run as "Anti-Pork." Mind boggling hypocrisy, but then it fits in with Bush running as the "education G9overnor" after passing 0 reforms in Texas, fighting to gut Teachers pay so they got 1/2 of what Texas legislators passed (Texas ranked dead last in teachers salaries in 1999 when you include benefits), and trying to taker $250 million from Kindergarten funding in 1999 for a property tax cut, This when only 80% of Texas school districts provided K due to lack of funds.

Let me guess: you never heard of it, and you think the media is "liberal" too?

Mattled| 3.10.10 @ 5:44PM

Here's how a troll posts:

Insult the author.

Repeat, I,I, I, I, I, I, me, me, me ,me .

Use Media Matters and MSDNC for reference.

Insult other Conservative posters.

Expect some kind of---prize?

Come back and do it the next day. And the next.

What "bravery".

What a meager and lonely existence.

Come on folks----without us they would starve. So let's stop feeding the mental midgets in the parental sub-floor.

Simon Templar| 3.10.10 @ 5:56PM

Idiotic article about an idiotic criticism from the dishonest idiotic Left. I have said too much..I apologize for dignifying this idiocy by responding to this idiocy.

Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 6:04PM

Hey, if you're into foolish decisions that lead to massive debt, and raising taxes, vote for Sarah. I won't hold you back. She's just not national level material.

I could name several Supreme court cases in detail, or the papers/magazines I read, or even give better faked answers to cover up when I didn't know simply because I can think w/o having to make y9ou feel good to ignore what I'm saying, which seems to be her main asset as a debater/politician: She makes you feel good.

But obviously she's not fiscally conservative, or intelligent enough to engage with foreign heads of State, or flexible enough to take on anything more than a few feel good issues. She's just the Flava' of the month, or year.

Paula| 3.10.10 @ 6:14PM

Typical lib BO worshipper... During the campaign Palin had far more experience in foreign affairs than Obama. She conducted trade missions with Russian leaders, monitored Unites States airspace to keep an eye on any attempts at Russian intelligence gathering ... I mean, Obama lived in the middle of the country, what was he going to do from there!?!? Palin could see Russia from her house! Stupid lib.

Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 6:25PM

If you want to run her in 2012, feel free to do so.

I didn't vote for Obama, so you sound more like a resentful Parrot with a huge chip on your shoulder. Who taught you to hate America?

Paula| 3.10.10 @ 6:52PM

What's good for GOD is good for SARAH ... and good for me! Praise Sarah, our guiding light! She will save America!

Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 6:25PM

If you want to run her in 2012, feel free to do so.

I didn't vote for Obama, so you sound more like a resentful Parrot with a huge chip on your shoulder. Who taught you to hate America?

JimE| 3.10.10 @ 6:48PM

Jon,
You seem pretty informed for someone who lives in their mother's basement, never held an actual job and has been on welfare since age 19.

Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 7:48PM

Thank you Jim.
My mom's pretty cool. She lets me live in the House I bought her.

Nick| 3.10.10 @ 6:40PM

Jon B,

Is your "research" from above as fraudulent as your bogus claim, from yesterday, that President Reagan gave the Soviets $425 billion?

You have proven yourself to be a bad source of information.

Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 7:51PM

It's amazing to me that you aren't even aware of Reagan giving Russia $425 billion. That was on the National news when it happened, when we only had 3 channels plus PBS. I suggest you do a little research yourself, and perhaps lift yourself out of the cesspool of ignorance you're living in right now before strutting around like a pompous arse.

Nick| 3.10.10 @ 9:55PM

Jon B,

You should check your other posts, then you might not risk looking so foolish. But, I doubt it.

Here is my responce to your bogus propaganda, from yesterday:

"[You wrote:]'And last why are you unaware of the fact that Reagan gave Russia $250 billion in 1987 and another $175 Billion in 1988, widely reported in the National media when it happened?'

"Hate to pile-on, but your memory stinks. It didn't happen.

"President Reagan's proposed budget for 1987 was $994 billion, and congress spent $1.004 trillion. You are falsely claiming that 1/4 of it went to the Soviet Union.

"The budget for 1988 was $1.02 trillion, and congress spent $1.06 trillion. You falsely claim that $175 billion of that went to the Soviet Union.

"I was 20 at the time, and I think I would remember that.

"Are you just getting old, or did you smoke too much dope back then?"

The question still stands.

Also, you must have lived in the sticks. In major metropolitan areas, like Detroit, we had the 3 networks, PBS, and 3 independent stations back in the mid-70's. By 1988, most people had cable.

Jon B| 3.12.10 @ 7:45AM

Reagan gave Russia $425 Billion in 2 years. You can look that up. I'm sure there are many here who remember this, but who would rather not mention it.

Nick| 3.12.10 @ 8:04AM

Jon B,

That's it? That's your rebutal?

Didn't you admonish someone yesterday, writting that simply repeating themselves is not an argument?

Why don't you try practicing what you preach?

And, I did look it up, brainiac. It didn't happen.

If you believe we gave our enemy of 45 years a quarter of our budget in '87, you are DELUSIONAL!

Nick| 3.13.10 @ 12:07AM

Jon B has now admitted that he lied, er....um....."was mistaken" about this bogus claim.

He now claims it was $425 million, still a mistake/lie.

Jon B| 3.13.10 @ 5:37AM

An honest mistake, but that makes a germane point, which you ignored the whole time.

Nick| 3.13.10 @ 8:07AM

Germane to what?

That you make-up things and pull numbers from your backside?

People who "make mistakes" or LIE, as it were, have proven themselves unworthy to be taken seriously.

Especially, when they don't humbly apologize and try to blame others for their stupidity.

Paula| 3.10.10 @ 6:11PM

Hey, one thing I'd like to do is shut up all those stupid liberals who say Trig isn't her real son. I know a real quick way to do this... A quote from Sarah:

"In that weird conspiracy-theory freaky thing that people talk about that Trig isn’t my real son. And a lot of people say, 'Well you need to produce his birth certificate! You need to prove that he’s your kid!' Which we have done."

"Which we have done"... can someone point me to a link that demonstrates she's done this?

Paula| 3.10.10 @ 7:33PM

Anyone? ...

Ken Roberts | 3.10.10 @ 6:26PM

I can remember my doctors words after they found a blockage in my heart when I was 36 years old , he told me ; I recommend that you have open heart surgery tomorrow morning , he further said we have been sending people home and scheduled them for two weeks and they don't come back ,they die. Eleven weeks would be a death sentence for some people to wait that long, not every one dies in two weeks or less but it is not an elective surgery at all it is a life saving surgery. He had another saying and it was this , when you hear the hoof beats you know the Indians are coming, he was being funny as the Indians were the ones that rode horses and we did have a war with them at one time. so yes if people have to wait that long for heart surgery we can expect the same here if the health care bill passes . Back to Plain now , the left fears her more then any one and they will stop at nothing to discredit her . they have not had much luck so far. I hope she is a figure in our politics for a long time she is smart and very well mannered, unlike many on the left . I would vote for her no matter what she was running for .

Ken roberts | 3.10.10 @ 6:28PM

My mistake on not proof reading my post I meant, back to Palin now not plain but she is plain she speaks plain but makes much sense .

Paula| 3.10.10 @ 6:56PM

Well said! She sure does make much sense ... My favorite quote is her take on the economy and TARP:

"... ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the -- it''s got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we''ve got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we''ve got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."

She speaks so plainly and right to the point. May God guide her to the top in 2012!!

Nick| 3.10.10 @ 6:54PM

Pay no attention to Bob's posts above.

He is known as 3/5 Bob, because until last June, he thought that blacks had 3/5 of a vote, under the original U.S. Constitution.

He also doesn't know the scientific fact of when human biological life begins because he is unsure of when "ensoulment" happens.

He also claimed he translated the Bible from the original Aramaic when he was a teenager.

He is a pseudo-intellectual and an anti-Christian bigot.

Don't waste your time arguing with him.

Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 9:48PM

What's your opinion on Single Payer, Nick?

Nick| 3.10.10 @ 9:59PM

Jon B,

It is socialistic.

Medical care is a service. Not a right. Medicines are products. Not a right.

Let the market place decide how much it should cost, not the federal government.

Jon B| 3.12.10 @ 7:49AM

Jesus provided free health care, and much of the Bible is devoted to helping the poor. Do you think our Government have Christian values, or should they work against Christ?

Yet Single Payer saves $400 billion a year because it eliminates the 31% administrative costs of the HMO's and their 11% in profits. Medicare has 3.1$ administrative costs, while Canada's system has 1.8% administrative costs, no profits. I'm having a hard time understanding why you'd rather not save money, and cover more people?

Nick| 3.12.10 @ 8:12AM

I would save even more money. I would eliminate Medi-scare, altogether.

Again, show me where Christ said, "Go, and tell Ceasar to tax us even more, so that the poor can mooch off us all." Christ said, "You will have the poor with you always." Your understanding of Christian theology stinks.

You can't afford a service that is necessary?
That is what charity is for.

Jon B| 3.13.10 @ 5:40AM

It's a little deeper than that...

"If you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry and satisfy the needs of the oppressed, then your light will rise in the darkness, and your night will become like the noonday." Isaiah 58:10

"When Jesus heard this, he said to him, You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'" Luke 18:22

"Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys." Luke 12:33

"He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich -- both come to poverty." Proverbs 22:16

"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered." Proverbs 21:13

"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:49

"The scoundrel's methods are wicked, he makes up evil schemes to destroy the poor with lies, even when the plea of the needy is just." Isaiah 32:7

"The poorest of the poor will find pasture, and the needy will lie down in safety. But your root I will destroy by famine; it will slay your survivors." Isaiah 14:30

"The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern." Proverbs 29:7

"He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished." Proverbs 17:5

"Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court." Proverbs 22:22

"A ruler who oppresses the poor is like a driving rain that leaves no crops." Proverbs 28:3

"He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses." Proverbs 28:27

Nick| 3.13.10 @ 8:01AM

Way to wrench Bible quotes out of context. Where did you get these? From the marxist bible. You obviously haven't read the real Bible.

You certainly can't comprehend their meaning. All these verses are talking about Charity to the poor. This is a personal thing, not a government thing.

The ones that talk about oppressing the poor are not relevant to this debate, as NOT giving taxpayer money to people is not OPPRESSION.

Especially when the people are Americans, who, when compared to the world's poor, are NOT poor at all.

Liberal Reader| 3.10.10 @ 7:21PM

The point is that Palin has deliberately demonized people who simply want health care reform. The fact that anyone travels to Canada or any other country for medical treatment is just one small, relatively unimportant indicator of something every salient being in this country knows: our health care system is entirely screwed up. It's not working. Prices are going up at 3 times the rate of inflation, and people are needlessly suffering because of it. We're a wealthy, powerful country, and it's time for us to grow up, stop all the adolescent whining, and take responsibility for ourselves.

John II| 3.10.10 @ 7:34PM

Take responsibility for ourselves? Okay--good idea. But, er, why do you want a state-controlled medical system? I'm thinking of the college co-ed who was interviewed about her take on socialized medicine a week or so after Professor Obama's election. The interviewer asked her what she thought of the pros and cons of the health care debate. Her response: "I don't care about any of that! I just want my medical care to be free!"

Besides, our health care system is not "entirely" screwed up. It's only partly screwed up. Perhaps you're confusing our medical system with Professor Obama and his handlers. Or the co-ed. Or your own juvenile outbursts. One COULD make a case that such things are "entirely" screwed up.

MTB| 3.10.10 @ 7:42PM

We have the best health care in the world, bar none. The system isn't screwed up, the application of the system is screwed up, but Obama's way, the Dem's way is NOT the answer. It will bankrupt us, then medical care will be the last of your worries . . . eating and shelter will be at the top of your list. There is a way to fix this problem, but it should be a bipartisan effort, not the dems shoving their philosophies down the majority of Americans' throats who don't want this plan.

Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 9:49PM

Over 1/2 of the bankruptcies in America are from medical costs of those who have insurance. Yeah, nothing to see here, move along!

blackwatch| 3.10.10 @ 11:25PM

well that is not the fault of the insurance companies. They sell you a policy with a limit. If your care exceeds the limit you are on the hook for the rest. You have the same issue with your car insurance. If you have a liability limit of $100,000 and you cause $300,000 worth of damage to a car full or people YOU are on the hook for the rest. The profit margin for the insurance industry is 2.2%! That sucks!! If I owned a business with that skinny of a margin I would sell it.

Anyway the problem with medical costs is that the users of medical procedures do not pay the bills. when things are cheap or are free they get abused. for example fresh water from your tap is wasted by most persons on a daily basis. something of "value" such as gasoline or orange juice is NOT wasted by most persons. Let me short hand it for you:

Free Medicine = The Most Expensive Medicine

Jon B| 3.12.10 @ 7:51AM

You've proven that the current HMO system has failed. What should we do about it?

Jon B| 3.12.10 @ 7:51AM

You've proven that the current HMO system has failed. What should we do about it?

MTB| 3.10.10 @ 7:38PM

Bob, were you born stupid or was it a gradual process? Either way, you are a moron and I'd rather you went to a liberal blog and enlightened some of your own kind with your brand of brilliance.

Jon B| 3.10.10 @ 9:51PM

If he replies to you, he might be stupid. I know I am. But it's my deep love for you that compels me to do it, MTB. May God Bless you.

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The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach American Me links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…and kn ow that in order to be com petit ive with other countries, we have to lower health care expenses to about 10% of GDP from about 17%. Th ose are the facts. Original post: The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach tags: care-expenses, countries, crist, crist-implodes, facts, lower-health, spectator, the-original, the-system | American Power: Dan Rather Apologizes for 'Watermelons'…

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Sarah’s Canadian Outreach - Spectator.org During her speech, she disclosed that her family used to seek health care in Canada’s Yukon Territory during her early years in Alaska. Palin told her audience: Believe it or not…

Yosemeti Sam| 3.11.10 @ 1:33AM

Damn!

I've scoured the posts - with laughter - but still
no one knows where that Mao Zedong White House
Christmas tree ornament is at.

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Mack| 3.11.10 @ 10:47AM

The media is only doing their job......because she's Sarah Palin and she represents a threat to the liberal establishment and their God, Obama. She is to be destroyed. The media's Obama sycophants have their orders.....do not get in their way as they destroy their own credibility and fall on their swords for Obama.
O-B-A-M-A !!!

Web Smith | 3.11.10 @ 10:50AM

The problem is that Palin told the same story a few years ago in another town and, according to that version of her story, that town was where she used to get her health care. Palin wants attention and everyone to love her so much that she is likely to say anything.

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Graywolf| 3.11.10 @ 11:05AM

After scanning many of the comments here it is apparent that almost no one was in the Alaska/Yukon area in the 60's. We traveled from Wash. to Alaska in 1968. We had a medical emergency in Whitehorse, and used the hospital there. The care was good,and the price cheap,

Gray wolf| 3.11.10 @ 11:14AM

The above comment was not posted correctly. price cheap

Gray wolf| 3.11.10 @ 11:16AM

This site is messed up!!!!!!!!

Jack Kinch(1uncle)| 3.11.10 @ 12:18PM

Palin is great. I love the way she drives them crazier.

Jon B| 3.13.10 @ 5:42AM

I hope she wins the GOP nomination in 2012!

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Have Gun Will Travel | TravelMeister.info links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

Have Gun Will Travel Pictures from “Have Gun Will Travel” as well as magazine and book covers of Richard Boone. Song by Johnny Western. Related posts on Have Gun The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach » Reviewed by Marvin Lachman: STEVE FISHER - I Wake Up Screaming. Share this on del.icio.us Digg this! Post this on Diigo Share this on Reddit Stumble upon something good? Share it…

pinnybogg| 3.11.10 @ 3:07PM

So everyone can find out everything you have always wanted to know about Sarah even back to when she was 5 years old. Well what about Obama ?? We can't find a thing out about him. He spent 1 million bucks to make sure we couldn't. So who cares what happened to Sarah at age of 5, tell me something I should be able to know about the one in charge of all of us!!!!!!!!

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Beer the True Sign of the Miraculous – Ephesus, Turkey Travel Blog | Turkey Traveling links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…visit to Ephesus, Turkey by TravelPod member pilgrimthomas. See more here: Beer the True Sign of the Miraculous – Ephesus, Turkey Travel Blog Related Blogs on Read The Story The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach Related posts: Beer the True Sign of the Miraculous – Ephesus, Turkey Travel Blog one cıty 2 names lots of fun! – Antakya, Turkey Travel Blog one cıty 2 names lots of…

Linda Mae| 3.11.10 @ 5:18PM

I live on the border of CT and go to a doctor in MA. That is Connecticut and Massachusetts. So, what is the difference??? Alaska and Canada share a border just as CT and MA. Where is the problem? You still pay. Who paid for the Prime Minister to go to Florida (a long distance from Canada, heh?) for his emergency heart surgery??? Better question, yet, WHY did he go to Florida? You have to be a moron if you can't see that socialized Canadian health care is NOT the best option for someone who is sick. What about those who can't afford to go to Fl? Of, course, there are US border hospitals which service thousands of Canadians each year - citizens who have been denied health care in their country. That should be a loud warning to all American. Can the Obama Lay-a-Way health care scheme.

Margaret Bartley| 3.11.10 @ 5:50PM

"Sarah Palin speaks. Liberals foam at the mouth."
Looks like (Conservative???) Dave proves that...

Paul Carroll| 3.11.10 @ 11:16PM

There is nothing in the report of five year old Sarah Heath and her family going to Canada that says they went because they were sneaking FREE health care from their benevolent neighbors. It sounds to me like they lived in a very small town in Alaska and the nearest doctor worked out of a larger town that just happened to be in Canada. At no time has anyone proved that Mr. & Mrs Heath did not pay a fair price for the medical services they asked for. Any dimocraps out there care to prove otherwise?

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And I would walk 500 miles… – Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Travel Blog | Malaysia Traveling links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…I would walk 500 miles… – Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Travel Blog Related Blogs on Read The Story Cornell Orchestras part of Orchestras feeding America Project 2010 … The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach GOP watch: Joe Klein vs. Rove – First Read – msnbc.com Related posts: And I would walk 500 miles… – Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Travel Blog In Transit –…

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Special offer in Duct cleaning – Toronto, Canada Travel Blog | Canada Traveling links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…from: Special offer in Duct cleaning – Toronto, Canada Travel Blog Related Blogs on Read The Story Cornell Orchestras part of Orchestras feeding America Project 2010 … The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach GOP watch: Joe Klein vs. Rove – First Read – msnbc.com Related posts: Special offer in Duct cleaning – Toronto, Canada Travel Blog Take off, eh? –…

Osamas Pajamas| 3.12.10 @ 2:32AM

I love Sarah. Sigh.... I wonder if after awhile all these attacks by all these yoyos begin to look hilarious --- and she begins to enjoy jabbing them back in the eye with a sharp stick. That'd be nice. I like strong women. Yee haaaaaa.....

bonkers| 3.12.10 @ 1:50PM

I had not realized the American Spectator had such a crazed wing-nut following.

Andy| 3.12.10 @ 9:01PM

The outrage is not over the steps her parents took when she was 5. It's her whining today about death panels which reflects an attitude that is off-kilter. What her parents thought was good enough for her at 5 now becomes in her dogma something about 3 steps away from a concentration camp. Yes- it's the stupidity and hypocrisy which she displays today that is under attack. The idea that any thinking person is criticizing her for her parents decision is the sort of misleading logic that Limbaugh, Beck, O'reilly and Coulter think passes for intelligence.

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Tsunamis and Tours – Vina del Mar, Chile Travel Blog | Chile Traveling links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…of a visit to Vina del Mar, Chile by TravelPod member meganb675. See the rest here: Tsunamis and Tours – Vina del Mar, Chile Travel Blog Related Blogs on Read The Story The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach Related posts: Tsunamis and Tours – Vina del Mar, Chile Travel Blog Fuerza Chile – Arica, Chile Travel Blog Quakesville – Santiago, Chile Travel Blog End of an…

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Trading trad skills – Malveira, Portugal Travel Blog | Portugal Traveling links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…84 photos of a visit to Malveira, Portugal by TravelPod member lifeinbrian. More here: Trading trad skills – Malveira, Portugal Travel Blog Related Blogs on Read The Story The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach Related posts: Final Stop – Lisboa – Lisbon, Portugal Travel Blog Blackpool-on-the-Algarve – Albufeira, Portugal Travel Blog Anti Fascista – Lisbon,…

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Blackpool-on-the-Algarve – Albufeira, Portugal Travel Blog | Portugal Traveling links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…to Albufeira, Portugal by TravelPod member lifeinbrian. See the original post here: Blackpool-on-the-Algarve – Albufeira, Portugal Travel Blog Related Blogs on Read The Story The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach Related posts: Trading trad skills – Malveira, Portugal Travel Blog Final Stop – Lisboa – Lisbon, Portugal Travel Blog Anti Fascista – Lisbon, Portugal…

Brian H| 3.13.10 @ 11:15AM

Andy;
Speaking of "misleading logic", the medical care in Whitehorse, Yukon, was
a) closest urban level
b) not government-run at the time.

So there is no equivalence between its health care then and current proposals for the US. Which nullifies your basic point.

Don't ever get in a debate with her. She'd wipe the floor with you, just like she did to Jerkwad Joe.

Ginger| 3.13.10 @ 1:04PM

I love Sarah Palin & am sick of the same tired old remarks from the left calling her names like "imbecile". Excuse me, but you can't successfully run a state or a town, or a business for that matter, if you're an "imbecile". What the bleep did Obama ever run? The U.S. into the ground?
That being said, I am also a conservative Canadian and was a kid when we had the same health care that Sarah & her family went to Canada for. It was my experience to run into a, 'not so good', doctor once back then. So it is just as possible to get a bad doctor under a private system. I've also heard more than one horror story about bad treatment or people refused treatment in the U.S. so I'm really am sick of erroneous comments about Canadian Health Care. It's NOT the same as Obamacare. We DO NOT have "death panels"! We get to choose our doctors. My husband has had health problems all his life & we've never experienced long waits or bad care etc. Those stories are either lies or greatly exaggerated. 80% of Canadians are happy with the system at this point in time.
And we have American patients who come here to our doctors. I live in a border town & our doctor has several American patients. Why the Premier of Newfoundland went to Florida for treatment is beyond me but we all have that option...if we have the money, and/or extra coverage and feel the need. So what! I'm not saying our system is perfect but neither is yours. People really need to find another country's health care system to compare with Obutthead care besides Canada's.
And, the left-wing really needs to stop bashing Sarah Palin, but it may actually backfire on them & make people like her more. God bless Sarah!

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Mayonesa en mis calcitines! – Arica, Chile Travel Blog | Chile Traveling links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…the story and see photos of a visit to Arica, Chile by TravelPod member mlbixby. More: Mayonesa en mis calcitines! – Arica, Chile Travel Blog Related Blogs on Read The Story The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach Related posts: Mayonesa en mis calcitines! – Arica, Chile Travel Blog Tsunamis and Tours – Vina del Mar, Chile Travel Blog Fuerza Chile – Arica, Chile Travel Blog…

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http://www.uschristianfinder.com/wp/?p=27570 links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…to pay $2.62 (US$2.55) a share for full control of Underworld Resources Inc. to gain properties in the country’s Yukon Territory. Kinross, which already has an 8.5% stake in Sarah’s Canadian Outreach - Spectator.org During her speech, she disclosed that her family used to seek health care in Canada’s Yukon Territory during her early years in Alaska. Palin told her audience: Believe it or not…

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http://www.uschristianfinder.com/wp/?p=27639 links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Territory, chased Mackey hard, pushing ahead of King in Elim on Monday. The 51-year-old musher is a four-time winner of the 1,000-mile Yukon Quest International Sled Dog Race, earning a Sarah’s Canadian Outreach - Spectator.org During her speech, she disclosed that her family used to seek health care in Canada’s Yukon Territory during her early years in Alaska. Palin told her audience: Believe it or not…

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Time for a bit of chilling….. – Pucon, Chile Travel Blog | Chile Traveling links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…petergrainger. The rest is here: Time for a bit of chilling….. – Pucon, Chile Travel Blog Related Blogs on Member Petergrainger Onehunga Community Festival To Go Ahead The American Spectator : Sarah's Canadian Outreach Related posts: Time for a bit of chilling….. – Pucon, Chile Travel Blog Mayonesa en mis calcitines! – Arica, Chile Travel Blog Tsunamis and Tours – Vina del…

Robert| 2.15.12 @ 8:57PM

I sought medical treatment in the US in 2009 for Proton Beam Therapy at Loma Linda University Medical Center for recurrent Prostate Cancer and I believed I was cured after being told in Canada to seek no further treatment. Thank you America.

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