Conservatives turn their fire on the Republican Party. From
our new March issue.
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THE BIGGEST WAVE of conservative activism in the country, the
much-heralded Tea Party movement, is being propelled by groups that
bill themselves as independent from both parties (polls show it to
be more popular than either party). These activists are overtly
hostile to the Republican establishment and some of them --
particularly the Ron Paul supporters -- even oppose much of the
Bush-era GOP agenda. This latter, more libertarian, group isn't
just against the parts of that agenda that were never popular with
conservatives to begin with, like amnesty for illegal immigrants or
excessive federal spending, but the conduct of the war on terror.
Still other Tea Partiers are passionately hawkish.
In Tennessee's eighth congressional district, one Tea
Party-aligned candidate decided he no longer wanted to be
affiliated with the GOP at all. "As of today, I am no longer going
to run for the U.S. House of Representatives as a Republican," Donn
Janes told a crowd of 300 West Tennessee Tea Party activists. "We
need to change the way we elect our representatives. We continue to
rely on the two-party system to provide us with different choices;
but thanks to this corrupt system, there is little difference
between the two of them."
Janes instead announced he would run as an independent,
describing the two major parties in language reminiscent of the
"two wings of the same bird of prey" speech with which Pat Buchanan
bolted the GOP in 1999. "Both parties voted to increase the size of
our government; both parties voted to trade your freedoms for
security; and both parties are responsible for our monstrous debt,
our failing economy and the exporting of our jobs overseas," Janes
continued.
Ross Perot meets Ron Paul. But weeks later in Ohio's ninth
congressional district, a Tea Party candidate decided to go the
opposite route by ending his independent campaign and entering the
Republican primary. "I am going to run my campaign as an
independent Republican candidate," businessman Chris Iott told the
Toledo Blade. "This will give voters a choice of the one
person they want to challenge the incumbent in November."
Writing in the New Republic, Democratic strategist Ed
Kilgore downplayed the Tea Party movement's independence from the
GOP. "But the fact remains that [Tea Party] candidates are almost
invariably self-identified Republicans, campaigning on traditional
conservative Republican themes, and cooperating with Republican
politicians tactically and strategically on major issues," he
argued. "There is zero visible outreach to Democrats of any
stripe." But there has been some willingness to support
independents and third parties.
THE MOST VISIBLE conservative rebellion against the Republican
Party came in New York's 23rd congressional district, where the
right rallied to Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman over
liberal Republican nominee Dede Scozzafava. This resulted in
Scozzafava withdrawing from the race and endorsing the Democratic
candidate, Bill Owens. Owens narrowly won, in large part due to
Scozzafava's remaining on the ballot to claim 6 percent of the
vote. But the argument that normally deters conservatives from
voting third-party -- You're effectively voting for a Democrat! --
had no effect in NY-23. Hoffman nearly won the seat.
But NY-23 may be an outlier for all sorts of reasons. Scozzafava
was a particularly egregious Republican candidate, unreliable on
the handful of issues -- from health care to card check -- where
the GOP minority actually has some influence. She was chosen by
party bosses rather than by primary. National conservative groups
like the Club for Growth uncharacteristically backed Hoffman over
the GOP. Even potential Republican presidential candidates, like
Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin,
endorsed against Scozzafava, making Hoffman effectively a
Republican candidate.
What's more is that New York has a unique system where
candidates can run on the ballot lines of multiple political
parties. The Conservatives and the Republicans often cross-nominate
the same candidate: Republican John McHugh, who was vacating the
House seat to work for Barack Obama and had a barely
right-of-center congressional voting record, had been considered
sufficiently conservative to win the Conservative ballot line in
past election cycles. And third-party Conservative wins are not
unprecedented in New York: James Buckley, the brother of National
Review's founder, won a Senate seat in this manner back in
1970.
More representative might be the Tea Party movement's
enthusiastic and nearly unqualified support for Republican Scott
Brown in Massachusetts. Brown's election to the Senate seat once
held by liberal Democratic titan Ted Kennedy was a huge success for
conservatives. It ended the Democrats' filibuster-proof Senate
majority and at least complicated a federal government take-over of
the health care system if it didn't kill it outright. Liberals and
conservatives alike got the message: If candidates like Scott Brown
can make it there, they can make it anywhere.
Nevertheless, Scott Brown is a fairly moderate Republican by
national standards. He supports Roe v. Wade. He voted for
Massachusetts' universal health care law, virtually
indistinguishable from the Senate health bill he campaigned against
except on federalist grounds. And he is going to be under great
political pressure to break with conservatives on at least one
major issue before running for a full term in just two years. Brown
is more conservative than Edward Brooke, the last Republican
elected to the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts. But is he more
conservative than, say, John McCain?
American Conservative senior editor Daniel McCarthy
reacted by grousing that he "wonders if he's supposed to be
thrilled at the election of another pro-abortion, pro-war,
big-spending, civil-liberties smashing, Romneycare Republican.
Whoopee!" But it didn't take Brown long to begin making noises
unsettling even to more conventional movement types: he retained
some Kennedy staffers and told the Boston Globe he put the
Senate Republican leadership on notice "I'm going to vote how I
want to vote." (In case you were wondering how the leaders took it,
Brown says, "They were cool.")
IN A TWO-PARTY SYSTEM, conservatives don't have many other
options besides the Republican Party. The early conservative
movement clustered around National Review was as hostile
to Eisenhower-era "Modern Republicans" as it was to the left. But
the GOP nevertheless proved the only suitable vehicle for Barry
Goldwater and Ronald Reagan.
Similarly, in today's political climate, electing Republicans is
no guarantee of conservative governance. But the Democratic
supermajorities empowering liberalism can only be reduced by
electing Republicans. Moving from blocking liberal policies to
advancing conservative ones will likely require the election of
Republicans. The Blue Dog Democrats have proved almost entirely
useless in opposing their party leadership's liberal agenda, except
when their political lives are placed at risk -- which itself
requires a credible threat of being replaced by Republicans.
It remains to be seen whether reinvigorated conservative
activists can whip the Republican Party into shape or continue
feeling whupped by it. Even with Obama in the White House and the
Democrats in control of Congress, many conservatives are no longer
reassured simply the presence of an "R" next to a politician's
name. But even troubled relationships tend to endure when both
parties have nowhere else to turn.
What your seeing is in somes ways simpler and more sophisticated
than the political class has yet acknowledged. Up until recently,
Conservatives and libertarians knew there were problems but we
could not clearly identify the issue. It was the reason people
said, "both parties are the same."
Thanks to Glenn Beck and others, we have crystalized what our
problem is and identified the progressive movement and it's
outcomes as the cancer attacking our society. The Tea Party and
most libertaians who are active in politics now get it. We know
what the problem is and we are identifying the problem in both
parties. As the elections take place over the next few cycles
watch as the "progressiveness" of a candidate is evaluated. When
there is a viable (no truther/birther/ethics challenged) 'less
progressive candidate' than the other, the less progressive
candidate will win. Sometimes it will be a Republican liberal in
MA. Sometimes it will be a Paulite in KY. Sometimes it will be a
real conservative in FL. But we are identifying and attacking the
progressives and we are going to root them out. It's just easier
to start with the Republican party at this time.
Stiopping health care is crucial to that strategy so that they do
not control so much of our lives that they cannot be defeated.
That is their objective over the next 100years is total control
ofsociety through environmental law (no true property rights),
Government education (progressive indoctrination) and last
through healthcare (no medicine unless you support teh
progressive, right ideas). With that strategy, 2010 midterms mean
nothing to them - hence the need for political sucide votes we're
now likely to see by today's progressives, giving their all to
the cause. One thing I hope to see is that the inherent greed for
power of today's progressives makes them less likely to take
those suicide votes because they want their power NOW and will
not sacrifice for the greater progressive future.
Copyleft| 3.3.10 @ 9:55AM
You may not realize it, but you've just made the "lesser of two
evils" argument that the GOP leadership relies on. As long as
they know you'll vote AGAINST whoever the Democrats nominate,
they can safely ignore the tea parties and small-government
protestors, because they still own your votes.
I don't agree with your agenda, but I'm 100% behind those that
acknowledge the problem with a two-party stranglehold on American
politics.
Alan Brooks| 3.23.10 @ 12:30AM
Copyleft,
Aye, but you have no agenda yourself, because you hold no core
values that are constant.
Your outmoded 20th century progressivism is finished-- yet you
are the last to know.
Alan Brooks| 3.23.10 @ 12:33AM
... but at least Obama is no fool, unlike YOU, Copyleft.
Obama is a winner, like the proverbial guy who laughs all the way
to the bank.
Franklin| 3.3.10 @ 12:50PM
NVA Patriot, thank you for this post.
In looking for candidates that are less progressive also means
looking for candidates for smaller government. Until they are
elected, we have no voting record to evaluate so we must judge
the character - something that is near impossible with
politicians.
Currently we need to replace any Democrat with a Republican to
stop Obama's agenda. Then after a couple election cycles we can
focus on the politician (no matter their letter after the name)
that is progressive/big government.
I think a third party will be necessary in the future. Uber Left:
Progressive, Center: Republicrat or Demolican, Right:
Conservative. Or something like that.
Alan Brooks| 3.5.10 @ 10:26AM
The GOP has been clueless since the moment the Soviet Union
dissolved in 1991.
The GOP will go the way of the Whigs.
Cris Worth| 3.3.10 @ 7:27AM
W. Bush was an ungrateful man....conservatives like Jerry Falwell
bent over backwards to help re-elect him in 2004 but now the
entire liberal GOP establishment is on notice,...NO MAS! Paul's
victory in the CPAC straw poll is a good start. All
conservatives/libertarians/tea partiers must unite and defeat the
next assembly line liberal Republican Presidential candidate
named Willard "Mitt" Romney.
loulou| 3.3.10 @ 12:34PM
And Pawlenty, Gingrich and Huckabee better get the message--we
will not support Appeasing Republicans. They can go join the
Democrat Party.
George Harper| 3.3.10 @ 1:02PM
Cris,
Are you a Jerry Falwell conservative or a Ron Paul conservative?
Seems to me they're miles apart ...
Cris Worth| 3.3.10 @ 3:22PM
Conservative...constraining the federal government according to
the constitution and the federal government protecting all
individual rights listed in the constitution. For example border
control is a federal government responsibilty and all immigration
laws need to be enforced or changed to protect American citizens.
All wars need a Congressional declaration before one troop is
sent overseas. Congress is responsible to coin money not a
private bank aka Federal Reserve. The census, national defense
and the patent office are federal responsibilities too. Abortion,
health care, education, energy and the environment to name a few
are 10th ammendment issues therefore up to the states and the
people. Yes I'm more of a Ron Paul conservative and ecstatic he
beat Romney who governed as a big time liberal.
JohnJay60| 4.21.10 @ 7:58PM
Ron Paul opposed the Iraq War - as did President Obama. I would
like all of those who accused anit-war Democrats of being
unpatriotic to make a clear, similar statement about Congressman
Paul.
martin j smith| 3.3.10 @ 7:34AM
If the Republican party does not have the backbone to stop Obama
Care, they are then irrelevant.
John - TMF| 3.3.10 @ 7:42AM
Shades of the Gipper's 1975 CPAC speech.
1. Political parties are election machines, not ideological
stalking horses. The candidates endorsed and nominated by any
political party will ultimately be those people who can marshal
the money and support to run, not necessarily be "right". This is
a rule for ALL political parties, not just the GOP. Occam ’s
razor dictates a two party political system. Unless the "Tea
Party" movement can replace the GOP (and thereby becoming the
“GOP”) it will be doomed to A) electing Democrats by pluralities
running against fractured opposition and B) going the way of the
Reform Party which elected Bill Clinton twice, and then died on
the sword of Buchananism.
2. If the Tea Party movement wants to be effective and a great
benefit to the polity of the United States, it fortifies the GOP
by ceasing the blind irrational cynicism and helps to keep the
Republican Party on the right of center. This takes a level a
maturity and patience that I am afraid our general society might
not have.
The GOP Establishment has the money, and the keys of power. It
controls the agenda, and sometimes that agenda is as Mr. Antle
points out, getting an R into office. If Tea Party folks want to
make a difference, then they must join the county committees.
They must submit candidates for nomination, work hard to win
elections at the committee level. They also need to learn not to
walk away when they lose. Politics is a give and take, it is also
a real understanding that the battle is never over, and the
opposition will never accept defeat. "The ok... We won... Now
we’re going home." thing is a strategy for failure. It sounds
noble, but the other guys are just waiting to take the field that
you just abandoned.
3. And that leads me to the last item. Please be aware that the
Democrat/Marxist/Fascist/Statist Party has internalized and
understood this hard and fast rule; "say what they want, do what
you will". In passing this healthcare monster, they will
sacrifice their majorities and seats to impose the state into the
intimate lives of all Americans. They know that even if 2010 is a
disaster electorally, they will merely allow the GOP to occupy
the driver's seat just before the crash. Of course they have
internalized the following realities of their opposition:
A) It is fractions, easily mocked by the Propaganda Mills that
they still hold absolute control over.
B) It is prone to quitting in anger, or out of blind adherence to
ethereal “principle” which often proves politically suicidal. The
Left has no principle but the power of the state.
C) It will "quit" after winning in 2010, and be unable to repeal
anything while “The One” occupies the White House, which as the
economy continues disintegrate, will seek to blame the
Republicans for the failure. Of course with their easy hypocrisy
they will filibuster any attempt past 2012 to repeal their
monster, thus leaving it to the courts to dismantle and we all
know where that often goes. Social Security, Medicare, and
Medicaid where never truly constitutional; but they have never
been struck down by any court. The Left will have its fait
accompli it will have replaced religion, enterprise, health, and
life with the State.
It's ugly. The Tea Party folks need to go where they are most
useful or they risk contributing to the decline by useless fits
of self-destruction.
R/The Mighty Fahvaag
Siegfried X| 3.3.10 @ 10:28AM
" They also need to learn not to walk away when they lose.... the
battle is never over, and the opposition will never accept
defeat... the other guys are just waiting to take the field that
you just abandoned. "
Yes and the RINOs are part of the opposition. There must be
eternal struggle against liberal Republicans for control of the
party, just as we must fight the Democrats. The RINOs never give
up, so neither can conservative Republicans.
And one tactic for battling the RINOs is to SELECTIVELY sit out
certain races, like by voting third party conservative. Just as
liberal Republicans like Colin Powell threaten to vote Democratic
if they aren't happy with the Republican Party. We need to be as
tough as they are.
If liberal Republicans want our loyalty as party members, then
they need to treat us as part of the party. Like giving our
candidates a fair chance in the primaries. Liberal Republicans in
power need to act like party members instead of rogues.
tatosian| 3.3.10 @ 2:21PM
Nonsense.
1- If political parties are just “election machines” rather than
“ideological stalking horses”, how do you explain the undeniable
success of progressive democrats in imposing their progressive
ideology on the American people? Why do republicans and
conservatives insist that adhering to a political ideology cannot
work when we see it work, consistently, for progressives?
And Frankly, this “fractured opposition” argument has everything
to do with republicans maintaining power and nothing to do with
the needs or the God given rights of the American citizen.
2- Proclaiming that Americans can be of no benefit to the nation
unless they fortify a degenerate, corrupt and cowardly republican
party is pure partisan hackery. Tea Partiers and town hallers are
already having a beneficial effect on the American polity. And
the Tea Partiers have done so by NOT fortifying the republican
party. Read the Tea Party Declaration of Independence.
3- “Say what they want, do as you will” perfectly describes the
republicans As for the GOP occupying the driver’s seat just
before the crash…are you kidding? The republicans drove drunk for
six years throwing hundred dollar bills out the windows while
their conservatives sat in the back, dutifully paying for gas,
checking the oil and rotating the tires at every stop.
A, B, C—Yada yada yada. We may proclaim the left to be
unprincipled in achieving their goals, but the imposition of
their progressive agenda upon us continues. Other than Bunning,
where is the effective republican principled opposition? Don't
talk principles when principles are nowhere in evidence within
the republican party.
Finally, the republicans have been sounding the alarm regarding
obama’s nation destroying agenda. One would think, with our very
survival at stake, that republicans would sacrifice their
fortunes, honor and very lives to defend us. Instead we get
partisan drivel. We are told we must continue to support a
profligate and corrupt republican party that will not put itself
at risk while the quality of our lives continues to diminish.
Finally, it’s not the Tea Party that contributes to our decline;
it’s the republicans.
tatosian| 3.3.10 @ 2:25PM
Sorry about the "finally" redundancy thing.
John - TMF| 3.3.10 @ 3:04PM
Simple.. you lose... always and in perpetuity.
The Democrats win because they stay loyal to a political party
that gets them elected. Democrats have many ideological
stances... some are enviros, some are socialists, some are this
some are that, but above all all are Democrats, and all of them
fervently believe that the State is the answer. The Party is a
means to an end.
You suffer from the typical anti everything cynical angry,
fruitless warfare against friends because opponents are too hard
to defeat.
So. Understand this:
There will be NO, ZERO, Nadda, Zippy... Third Party that will win
elections. It will not happen. The Core of the Republican Party
is too large, influential, and established for any third party to
garner more than 20 to 25 percent of any electorate. Which means
the Dems win. Because they have a coalition that maintains a
steady 40+% and that number hasn't changed for almost two
centuries now.
The GOP is not the 30 year old Whigs. It is the 156 year old
Republican Party.
And Finally... for real since I have better things to do than
fence with the perpetually peeved and flailing....
IF a Third party did successfully replace the Republican Party
(big IF) it would look and act EXACTLY like the Republican Party
because it would be made up of exactly the same people.
Cynicism is cheap and easy. Everyone is evil except "me and
mine".
Like I said... epic fail.
Tootles
TMF
Siegfried X| 3.3.10 @ 4:19PM
The purpose of a third party is to stimulate the Republican
party, not to replace it. No one wins a negotiation by giving in
as soon as negotiations start. Conservatives need to be able to
walk away from the table sometimes, just as liberal Republicans
like Colin Powell walk away by voting Democratic.
The last 15 years have proven that ALWAYS voting for the RINO
doesn't work. Doing that gave us John McCain as candidate. It's
not even worth debating.
Margie| 3.3.10 @ 5:13PM
Bravo TMF! You are so right on. Well said, and I for one thank
you.
loulou| 3.3.10 @ 5:52PM
Third party or not, I will not vote for a RINO.
tatosian| 3.3.10 @ 7:57PM
"The Democrats win because they stay loyal to a political party
that gets them elected. "
Well no. The democrats win because they find a way to give their
base whatever they want; from abortions on demand to pushing the
homosexual agenda on kindergartners.
And while the core of the Republican Party may be large and
influential, and they may have a coalition that maintains a
steady 40+%, none of that changes the fact that republicans can't
seem to slow the progressive juggernaut down.
Pointing this out doesn't make me an anti-everything cynic. It
makes me a realist.
And yes, you bet your partisan hack butt I'm angry. Why wouldn't
I be?
The republicans have forsaken their oath to uphold the
constitution and to safeguard my liberties for their own
aggrandizement. If that were not the case, we would not be in the
situation we are in now.
I made no mention of a third party. You scared?
Cynicism might indeed be cheap and easy. But how much easier is
it to go along to get along, lapdog?
Tootles? What're we, girlfriends?
Simon Templar| 3.3.10 @ 4:50PM
Tatosian..you have nailed it! Principles..clear defined
principles...an understanding of history..and the ability to
articulate that to the population. All of which have been missing
for nearly a hundred years as the disease of progressivism has
marched on. We are at a crossroad. Those that understand and
believe in the founding principles of our founding fathers and
the original classic liberalism of our constitution and form of
government MUST step forward, speak loudly, unify, and do what
ever is necessary to protect and defend these principles. How can
I make it anymore clear that THIS IS IT! No more compromise, no
more corruption, no more useless infighting and misdirection. The
time to take a clear stand has come. Decide where you stand...for
or against. The forces of tyranny and enemies of liberty have
been exposed....progressives! While we are sitting around
debating and sniping..they are about to pass law that will give
big statist government control over one sixth of our country and
have realized the first and essential step toward all socialist
agendas. So, yes, we must take back this Republican party and set
it back on its original principles that it established in that
school house by 1850 "tea party" plain folk.
Grant| 3.3.10 @ 7:46AM
What is the point of the 'R' if, once elected, the politicians
only give us 'D' stuff?
They should be made to uphold the oaths they swear to the U.S.
Constitution, one way or another.
Even Lincoln needs a do-over minus the Statist overreach.
Tim| 3.3.10 @ 8:07AM
We,Tea Party Rebels Are Taking Down NEO-DEM Turncoat Specter With
Pennsylvania's Next Senator , Real Conservative Pat Toomey. The
Rebellion Escalates.
maverick muse| 3.3.10 @ 8:16AM
"At the time the NRSC began leaning toward Crist, Cornyn's logic
looked solid. Not only did polls show Crist with a commanding
lead over Rubio (Mason-Dixon put Crist ahead 53 percent to 18
percent), but the Florida governor had a huge cash advantage and
was up by as much as 34 points in head-to-head match-ups with
likely Democratic candidates."
Yep. And last November, Hutchison's bid for the TX gubernatorial
race polled 80% support from Texan Republicans. That support
evaporated into thin air.
Homer| 3.3.10 @ 11:14AM
Hutchison's bid did evaporate into thin air. However the
globalist Perry got the Repub's nomination. Moreno was the only
decent choice. I will have to vote Libertarian if I vote at all.
VinceP1974| 3.3.10 @ 8:34AM
This country is in collapse. Most of the politician R's talk like
nothing is going on. It's infuriating beyond belief.
obadiah| 3.3.10 @ 1:21PM
the politician R's are satisfied with the way things are because
they got theirs.
the politician D's are satisfied with the way things are because
they got theirs.
getting theirs is what they are good at.
Melvin| 3.3.10 @ 8:43AM
John, what you say does make sense, but, as odd as this sounds,
many in the Tea Party movement just want to left the hell alone.
In other words, they don't have any real interest in the minutia
of the inner workings of either party, but T.P. people have been
basically dealt a hand that gives them no choice but to enter
into the political arena.
The rescission/depression was the tipping point
of it all. Everyone was cutting back, because no all Americans
were going out and putting multiple mortgages on their homes,
taking vacations they couldn't really afford, and buying
themselves into hock.
There are millions of Americans who lived within their means, and
now are getting slammed with the bill, "To be Paid in Full," for
something we didn't even get a chance to enjoy, like charging
multiple trips to Disney World.
And now many of us are hopping mad, and the Tea Party has been an
outlet for this anger. Some might misconstrue this anger has
revolutionary but, this anger is akin to a jilted wife when she
finds out that her husband has cheated on her with the remark of,
"How the hell, could you have done this to me."
This, "How the hell, could you have done this to me" is now
directed at the Republican Party. And it is going to be a very,
very long time before the Republican Party i.e. the leadership
can ever be trusted again if at all.
I know the above is wordy, but my opinion is, the the Republican
Party leadership doesn't understand or even want to understand
where this anger originates from and the government is too quick
to place the Tim McVeigh tag on all the Tea Party members as a
wild bunch of inbred, toothless, bible and rifle carrying
hayseeds hell bent on overthrowing the government.
Just goes to show you how both sides don't even know their own
fellow Americans.
Louis Jenkins| 3.3.10 @ 11:07AM
Melvin:
“Everyone was cutting back, because no all Americans were going
out and putting multiple mortgages on their homes, taking
vacations they couldn't really afford, and buying themselves into
hock.”
That’s what is so infuriating. People with common sense use their
money wisely. They know their limitations and spend accordingly.
(I guess I was raised in a different day and age, and I still
read Franklin’s “Poor Richard’s Almanac”) Our elected criminals
in the District have no compunction to ignore the bleeding red
ink on the ledger sheet.
Senator Bunning, Kentucky, only asked for a way to pay for the
unemployment benefits extension out of the funny money his
cohorts had already created, and the statist media and most of
the senate keel hauled him. Even the Dead Elephant senators let
him stand alone. That is how those people think (if you call it
thinking). They cannot tolerate anyone who even hints at monetary
responsibility. Folks, it can’t continue this way for much
longer. The District of Criminals is ‘fiddling while the nation
burns’ and election day 2010 is getting closer. On that day we
the voters will step into the booth and have to make a choice-
evil or awful. The nation will continue to burn and only the
basement will be saved. The foundation will be kaput.
Siegfried X| 3.3.10 @ 4:24PM
"many in the Tea Party movement just want to left the hell alone"
The problem is political pacifism doesn't work: eternal vigilance
is the price of liberty.
The Democrats are always looking to control us. The liberal
Republicans are always looking to control the Republican Party.
Either we fight back or they win.
ggoblue| 3.3.10 @ 8:43AM
lmao outreach to the democratic party....the party that voted 60
for 60 in the senate with barak obama...the party that called the
tea party movement nazis....
we gonna reach out to them with the billy club on the first
tuesday in november.
in the meantime we will vote conservative in any primaries.
Claire Solt| 3.3.10 @ 8:48AM
I don't think any of the pros or pundits really know what is
happening. We had fourteen years of triangulation when bush and
Clinton strode the center by stealing the other party's ideas.
But beginning with Howard Dean's claim thaat he represented the
Democratic wing of the Democratic party the Republocrat consensus
blew up. Then came the Tea Parties to show Republicans that they
did not like this consensus either. consequently, although all
experts agree that the center rules, nobody really knows where
that really is. Only the Shadow knows, for sure.
maverick muse| 3.3.10 @ 9:16AM
"This dramatic polling turnaround suggested the NRSC was
premature in picking a horse in the Florida race. But to many
conservative activists, it was also part of a pattern of official
party support for moderates and hostility to conservatives."
You can say that again.
Hostility to conservatives is based upon hostility to the
Constitution. Study "official" Republican whole cloth rhetoric
fabricated to support re-elections; that Republican Party favors
revisionism that doesn't stop with party platform but revises
Constitutional Governance.
Republican Conservatism was revised into progressive
Neoconservatism, just as the Democrats have evolved into
progressive Socialists. Follow the legislative record.
Progressive politics from the turn of the 20th century have
permeated BOTH parties with varied shades of success. Pointing
the witch-hunt finger at Conservative Constitutional candidates
is meant to support more revisionism, more neoconservatism.
Witness Republicans augmenting federal powers, lessening states'
rights, higher taxes and less response from elected officials
preoccupied augmenting their own affluent corruption.
Now, the point is to confront and rescind progressive elements
and officials.
The Conservatism that nominated Barry Goldwater for GOP POTUS
still exists but is NOT represented in today's neoconservative
Republican Party. Goldwater's conservatism exists more in the
Libertarian platform which Republicans now eschew and repudiate
as "radical" in order to excuse their own corrupt revisionism.
Republican revisionism preempts local authority and dissolves
Constitutional Rights. Incumbent neoconservative Republicans are
fighting to retain "ownership" of the Republican Party.
Republicans unconstitutionally augmented Federal bureaucracies
with powers and czars to dictate educational curriculum and
mandate Statist infringements against free thought, personal
expression and choice involving health decisions.
Constitutional Conservatives do not have possession of the
Republican Party purse strings. Neoconservatives "own" the
Republican Party if possession is 9/10th of the law.
Given that Washingtonian neoconservative Republicans direct the
Republican Party's agenda, their obvious disconnect with
Republican voters is the battleground.
Neoconservatives can play Alinsky games all they want against
Constitutional Conservatives. Such media ridicule does not alter
the record differentiating platform and candidate agenda.
Wounding the voters who support the Constitution only makes more
obvious the distinctions between neoconservative corrupt party
favorites currently confronted by the up and coming Conservative
candidates and voters who actually represent the grassroots, i.e.
the "real" American population paying taxes and voting.
The personal taxation fixed upon citizens bears witness every
paycheck. The lack of employment resulting from decades of
government mandates and favored nation trade status with China
began no thanks to neoconservative Nixon-Kissinger.
Our nation's dire economy, higher taxes combined with failed
official government services (community police, fire, roads,
mail) coincides with the increase of protected services provided
to illegal aliens.
Where incumbents fail their Constitutional duties to their
constituents, vote Conservative.
When in doubt, consider:
Borders. Language. Culture.
ds80| 3.3.10 @ 9:33AM
The Tree of Liberty will be refreshed in Nov, 2010.
Or the ramparts will be stormed.
Dan Hirsch| 3.3.10 @ 9:36AM
NO PROBLEM! Just think this simple thought "Congressional Tea
Party Caucus." Scott Brown would be your caucus chair. Caucus
with the Republicans. When they see our growing numbers, they'll
come a'runnin'. Then we'll have to keep a sharp eye on them. How
hard is this?
Joe Lieberman caucuses with the Democrats, yet calls himself
Independent, as does Bernie Sanders. Joe is too far right to be a
Dem, Bernie thinks he is too far left to be a Dem; but they are
both counted as Democrat seats in determining majority party
status....
Actually Bernie just talks too far left to be a Democrat,
philosophically he's probably in the middle of the (very narrow)
left-right Democrat spectrum. He just didn't get the memo about
pretending not to be Socialist.
Tenn Slim| 3.3.10 @ 9:45AM
Opine
Right on the money. B. Sanders is the ex mayor of Burlington, Vt
and at his deepest heart, loves his folks.
He rants and raves a lot. but underneath he is a basically good
guy.
end
Neo-libertarian| 3.3.10 @ 9:41AM
I put this in AT yesterday, but it seems relevant here.
This is not rocket science. In the last election the revolt
against the RINO’s in the Republican leaning voting pool (or
protest non-voting pool) produced Obama. He alone has advanced
the conservative voice and awareness of the electorate, far more
than any nuance “lesser of two evils” primary candidate
selection. The tide in reestablishing a constitutional ideology
has already turned, even without an election. The RNC, the power
brokers (some who reside on these blogs) and the established
incumbency will not learn by reinforcement. Always vote for the
constitutional candidate, the most conservative.
Let the cards fall where they may. Liberals have been stymied
even with the WH, the Senate and the House.
The real important issue will not be the outcome of the 2010
November elections, it will be to get ALL the degrees of
conservative candidates to pledge to completely replace the RINOs
as committee chairs and committee members. They are the problem,
not the incoming roster that achieved office by surviving the tea
party environment.
Tenn Slim| 3.3.10 @ 9:43AM
If the Republican party does not have the backbone to stop Obama
Care, they are then irrelevant. (and all other OBNA
intiitatives)
bt
Precisely said. Current day Conservatives, IE: the New Breed do
and have the backbone.
We Will Prevail come nov 2010
Semper Fi
end
Bob Miller| 3.3.10 @ 10:12AM
Because they are a minority, the Republicans in Congress don't
now have the ABILITY to stop Obamacare, unless enough Democrats
can resist their own leaders pushing this reconciliation gambit.
Republicans need more members of Congress, conservative of
course, to have that ability. Without taking control of the
Republican Party, how exactly can conservatives translate their
principles into legislation or at least stifle bad legislation?
John Navratil| 3.3.10 @ 10:24AM
"The NRSC's mission is not to further conservative principles.
Rather, it is to elect as many Republican senators as it can at
the lowest possible cost. If this means supporting a moderate or
liberal Republican over a lesser-known conservative, then this is
precisely what the NRSC can be expected to do. "
And that is precisely why I do not give money to the party and
haven't done so since Bush 41 presided over the largest tax
increase in history (at the time).
Each party is pulled to battle at their frontiers. This dismays
those who hold less centrist views and diminishes party
principles. When putting an 'R' or 'D' against a name is more
important than principles, the result is the permanent political
class and the "little people" are damned.
Stop all this wailing about parties and fratricide. Remember the
voter! The party is reaping what it has sown.
maverick muse| 3.3.10 @ 10:26AM
"This latter, more libertarian, group isn't just against the
parts of that agenda that were never popular with conservatives
to begin with, like amnesty for illegal immigrants or excessive
federal spending, but the conduct of the war on terror. Still
other Tea Partiers are passionately hawkish."
Yes. The Libertarian element that started the Tea Party protest
against government corruption has been augmented by disenchanted
mainstream Republicans who as yet mistake "neoconservative" as
modern conservative, having yet failed to research the Leninist
origin and evolution into the Republican Party powerhouse.
...
"But even troubled relationships tend to endure when both parties
have nowhere else to turn. "
That pessimism hardly reflects modern young Americans whose
vaulted self-importance manages the breakaway from abusive
relationships, even if only to spin into the next. An element of
wisdom can be gleaned through the school of hard knocks. That
wisdom need not be pessimism, though drop-outs quit "satisfied"
at that point as if pessimism improves their lot in life.
The internet provides open access to research. And though many
are easily distracted from application, I do not question that
people have curiosity. Currently, there is massive disapproval
with our government. We are discussing the disgust that
Conservatives have with the corruption of the Republican Party.
It would prove the quintessence of stupidity to reference
Constitutional Conservatives as impotent, given that the
neoconservatives have pirated the Republican Party.
"No where to turn," is the neoconservative message to the Tea
Party movement.
I don't buy it. And I repudiate those who would make that
assertion. This is, as yet, still the United States of America.
Although the corrupt "own" the two major parties, they do not
"own" the minds and hearts of the American people.
Constitutionally protected public discourse defines where
politicians stand.
McCain stood against free speech, and as yet has failed to
retract his law found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. The
only reason Conservatives were willing to vote for McCain on the
GOP potus ticket was on the basis of judges to be appointed.
Actions speak louder than words, and McCain's apparent disrespect
for the Constitution and the Supreme Court negates the
endorsement and purpose for which voters spent their votes. Since
Massachusetts Scott Brown announced McCain as his model, the
Unites States has his extension in the Senate. No conservative
begrudges Massachusetts their new Republican Senator. But the
neoconservative template that Brown emulates will never satisfy
constituent populations from more conservative regions. That the
Republican Party is attempting to politically assassinate
candidates and supporters from the Tea Party movement of
revolution is no surprise, just politics as usual.
And abused Conservative voters with their ballots get to vent in
private against their abusers.
Limbaugh convinced MANY Republicans to vote for Hillary on the
primary ballot to rebuke the GOP primary process that gave the
2008 GOP ticket to McCain. Disgruntled mainstream Republicans
have already practiced the process of electoral revolt against
the Republican electoral process. It isn't as if mainstream
conservatives are so pessimistic or apathetic that they refuse to
regain the GOP power structure.
A main characteristic of conservatives is their resilience to
preserve the Constitution and smaller government. That resilience
does not give up after one national election, nor after many
primaries and general elections.
Resilience does not "give up" UNLESS the definition undergoes
REVISIONISM in order to pollute and corrupt meaning and effect.
I am certainly not the only voter who is researching meanings and
records to determine where I can align and what I can do to
retain my American heritage by preserving our supreme authentic
Constitutional Governance for our posterity.
Rebuke Socialism, not only in our opponents, but within our
Republican Party. Neoconservatives are the progressive socialists
currently officiating the Republican Party. They are the corrupt
usurpers of the Tea Party identity who repudiate the Libertarians
as radical anti-Americans. "If you can't beat them, join them,"
is a progressive tactic that does not dilute the progressive, but
instead permeates the entity to redefine and ruin the authentic
meaning which an element possessed.
Conservatism supports the Constitution. Conservatives protect the
Constitution.
MikeF1| 3.3.10 @ 10:34AM
We conservatives are truly fed up with the party structure and
are not giving to the RNC or the NRSC. I have learned an
important lesson. If 100,000 of us will contribute $100 each to a
targeted candidate, we can raise $10 million dollars for each
candidate targeted. That will beat the RNC, NRSC and the DNC
candidate everytime. That's what I and many of my friends plan to
do. You witnessed it on a small scale with Scott Brown. While he
is not exactly a conservative, it shows what we can do. When the
Tea Party people got behind him he started raising $1 million
dollars a day and won the election.
Margie| 3.3.10 @ 12:23PM
MikeF1,
Excellent idea! This is precisely what we need to do. And I just
had a thought. I saw the commercials for raising money for the
earthquake victims in Haiti put on by actors. They said text or
dial a certain number to give $10.00. What if a conservative
candidate put an ad on like that on t.v. A 15 second ad. But say
exactly what you said. Give $100.00, not just $10.00, because you
are right. THAT is a realistic amount to really make the
difference.
With the amazing invention of the internet by algore, (heehee),
we now get to know (and radio) who the true conservatives are, so
doing that 15 second ad on t.v. could only help.
Just an idea!
martin j smith| 3.3.10 @ 10:49AM
Those of you who say that being tenacious and single minded about
fighting the left are absolutely right.(correct, that is to say
). What is really needed are ways to counter MSM BS( Lies in Casa
Blanca ).
And, there is a need for more aggressive challenging of RINOS.
For Example John McC.
Other than Sara Palin who endorsed MacC out of obligation ( since
he brought her on his ticket )others who endorse him should be
the kiss of political demise. The other Rinos who you all know
need to be treated like any Left Democrat, unless they act
otherwise.
Those repubs who went and spoke at the summit I thought did a
good job. But, that is not enough they are facing a challenge of
momentous proportions and I do not know if they know what they
are doing,faking it or actually currupted too far. The viability
of any opposition to the democrat Left appears at risk. This is
the point that must sink in.
Sheila| 3.3.10 @ 11:28AM
Enough with the posturing and strutting, already. All the talking
and posting in the world does utterly nothing to lessen the power
of the NRSC, and despite those who declare their intention to
sweep all moderates out of congress, results in elections speak
for themselves. Here in Texas almost all incumbents won
re-election yesterday, and the most conservative candidates lost
badly. No, they didn't have the money or name recognition, but
their biggest problem was the VOTERS - you know, the great
"American people" that fools are always proclaiming their trust
in. I say again what I've been saying for months - people think
everyone else's representative or senator needs to go, but their
own is fine - just as everyone else's public schools need to
improve, but theirs is fine, and all other government subsidies
and handouts need to go, but their own (SS, medicaid, medicare,
subsidized college loans) is VITAL. I will continue to vote for
the most conservative candidate I can find, but I'm tired of all
these Doctors Pangloss who insist that human nature and inertia
has changed in their best of all possible worlds. Bah, humbug I
say. Decline and fall.
Siegfried X| 3.3.10 @ 12:01PM
"Neither is there anything new about the sense that party leaders
stack the deck against conservatives."
That is the real problem. Teammates don't cheat each other.
Liberal Republicans cannot expect my loyalty when they rig
primaries, like McCain's nomination.
David| 3.3.10 @ 1:32PM
John, you could not be more wrong. We need to nominate the
conservative candidate in every primary race in every election
and in every election cycle. Marco Rubio in Florida proves you
wrong about the power and money of the establishment Republicans
party. Who needs them when they support people like Crist,
McCain, Scozzofava in NY, the Specters, etc.
Hopefully, Hayworth will be our general election candidate in AZ
and not McCain.
We will alway have some RINO's in Congress because of the
northeast and CA, but we can keep them to such a small number
that they will have no influence and will have to go along with a
conservative agenda. I can't see even RINO's switching and
supporting the liberal/socialist agenda of the Democrats.
jwschneider@braemarnet.com| 3.3.10 @ 3:37PM
You misunderstand... Yes we need to nominate the most
conservative candidate that we can.
That is NOT going to happen by osmosis however. Nominations don't
happen out of blue sky, hearts and flowers... and fancy hopes and
dreams...
Nominations occur because people go to county conventions and
caucuses. They occur because individuals step up and run
responsible, enthusiastic campaigns.
Conservatives will usually win when they work to win. But
sometimes the most conservative person doesn't win. Well that
means you support the winner, and push for a victory in the next
nomination battle.
Politics is the art of the possible. You cannot wave a magic wand
and demand that all things conform to your view of the world. If
you do that your phone booth of support is likely to be small,
and in case you didn't notice most folks don't need phone booths
anymore anyway.
The RINO thing has gone too far. There are indeed Republicans in
name only. They do make life tough for Conservative and even
moderate Republicans. If everyone but you is a RINO then there is
a problem with the definition.
George W. Bush was NOT a RINO and neither was his father, McCain
for all of his painfulness was and is not a RINO. Spectre was a
RINO... the Maine twins border on it... but so far have
maintained a modicum of respectability.
To call everyone a RINO means that no one is. And the term merely
becomes an excuse for rank cynicism.
Winning means work. It means reasonable compromise with
Conservative principles being the guiding factors... Ronald
Reagan was a REPUBLICAN. He was also a Conservative, but first
and foremost he was a loyal, effective, and sucessful Republican.
And he would bridle at the thought that a third party path was a
good one.
Ta Ta... TMF
David| 3.3.10 @ 1:34PM
One more thing, the states that allow registered Democrats to
vote in the Republican primaries should end that practice as of
the 2010 elections.
Bram| 3.3.10 @ 1:45PM
"By the end of his presidency, many of them felt whupped by their
own party..." I didn't make through his first term.
By 2002 I was asking where the flat-tax and spending controls
were. In 2003, my last prepaid RNC donation envelope was used to
send a Dear John letter explaining why they would never see
another penny from me until they govern as conservatives.
Chris in VA| 3.3.10 @ 2:17PM
It's not only the Ron Paul libertarians that criticize the Bush
43 agenda. Pro-lifers were left in the lurch -- major league, big
time -- by the Bush-Cheney scorched-earth polities that destroyed
pro-life chances at progress even as the country turned more
strongly against abortion.
Bush defied the Constitution every bit as much as Earl Warren
ever did. That disregard weakened terribly the arguments of
pro-lifers to find a constitutional remedy to abortion on demand.
And of course the unconstitutional wars destroyed our majorities
in Congress.
David| 3.3.10 @ 2:24PM
Don't forget, Bush's first act as president was to cuddle with
Ted Kennedy and increase federal education funding by 50%. He
lost me at that point.
Mark| 3.3.10 @ 2:40PM
How is it that someone who can spell and use "bete noire"
correctly doesn't realize that the verb form of "coronation" is
"crown", not "coronate"?
Otherwise, not a bad article.
Melvin| 3.3.10 @ 3:05PM
People, people, people! The Democrats are pushing that
abomination of a health reform bill that is unconstitutional as
hell.
You guys already know this, just makes me feel better to rant.
rdman| 3.3.10 @ 3:07PM
Sometime ago, the current GOP leadership stated that Sarah Palin
would not be a candidate for “grooming” for a Presidential run.
Since when do We The People need our favored/chosen candidate
(whomever that may be) to be “groomed” by the Inside-the-Beltway
Government Class???
The GOP leadership needs to be reminded that Governor Sarah Palin
was and is overwhelming supported by the Alaskan people. Despite
being Lieutenant Governor of his state, how did Mr. Steele fair
in his run for Governor of his state??
Meanwhile, it has been reported that current GOP leadership is
living it up on GOP donations with limousines, private jets and
lavishly catered events for the "insiders".
APPEASEMENT, COMPROMISE, PLACATING and the RINO STATUS QUO is not
LEADERSHIP and no longer ACCEPTABLE!!!
Mike| 3.5.10 @ 11:03AM
Mike Steele ran for and lost for Maryland Senator. However,
Steele and former Gov Erhlich-R are moderates. They never got my
vote
I am a conservative and was in the final years of engineering
college after a tour in the US Navy.
Taft would have been slaughtered. Following his election,
Eisenhower began rearming in the face of the Soviet threat. He
grew the economy through his policies and kept inflation under
control. How dare you align him with left of center kooks.
There are those among so called conservatives who are libertarian
extremists. Government does have a place in providing for our
defense and ensuring that excesses do not occur in the private
sector. I am for free markets and avoid the blanket argument
regarding capitalism, it covers too many sins.
Maybe it is time for Mr. Atlee to get out of his armchair and
talk to those of us who were of voting age then and are still
alive instead of reling on the writings of ideologues.
If you want to disaffect Independent, keep writing articles like
this or avoid extremist positions.
George Silvestri
JP| 3.3.10 @ 7:32PM
President Eisenhowe may have had a firm handle on foreign
affairs, but he joined the Dems in continuing and expanding FDR's
New Deal. Domestic spending in entitlements continued to increase
through out the 1950s; increases in Welfare, education,
transportation (which exploded) and other federal spending and
regulations increased 3 fold. Increases in fuel, income, excise,
and capital gains taxes were signed by Eisenhower. The GOP lost
significant ground through out Eisenhower's reign. But his 2
biggest mistakes was the appointment of Earl Warren and Terry
Brennan to the High Court.
Simon Templar| 3.3.10 @ 5:18PM
Let us not forget that this is much more than just about
elections of conservative candidates or republican candidates. It
is about the concerted attempt by a segment of of the american
population over the last 100 years to transform this republic
into something that it was not intended to be. The progressives
have had a clear vision of what they wanted and how to achieve
it. Through hook and crook they slowly took over the
entertainment, university, media, and school systems. Most people
do not have a clue as to what our founders believed nor have an
understanding of what conservativism means. I am afraid to tell
you but we lost the culture war. So, in short, elect
conservatives, elect libertarians, elect republicans and fight
the necessary political battles to get them there. The real
battles must also start in your local schoool district, your
university,your local newspaper. We have a lot of catching up to
do and no more room for sitting it out or laziness.
ImagePhreak| 3.3.10 @ 5:50PM
While we argue and pit democrats against republicans, liberal
against conservative, people like Henry Kissinger, David
Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski along with the central banks,
make off with our wealth, our borders, our resources and our
freedoms. We must stop the political social fighting and expose
the shadow government. End the private Federal Reserve, read the
constitution, and we will repair our republic.
jr| 3.3.10 @ 5:51PM
I routinely do not give much to Republicans - and haven't given
any for the past 2 years. I hang up on the Repubs asking for
money. I chewed them out consistently but it did no good. Nothing
changed. I will now give some to specific politicians based on
what they do for me and the country. At the first hint of
earmarks or wrong votes, that will end it.
philfl63| 3.3.10 @ 9:11PM
It does little good to vote for a Rinolican who is as corrupt and
cynical as a Democrat. Actually the whole argument is a big
smokescreen. Everyone in America is focused on elections of
politicians, whether Repubs, conservatives, or whatever. We all
seem to have the idea that politicians are going to save us and
save our country. Each citizen must do what is needed to take
care of himself and his family. No politician in Washington,
D.C., a state capital, or a city hall gives a rat's a** about you
or your family or your well-being. This is not cynicism, it is
fact. We do as we did 150 years ago, and we look after ourselves
and our neighbors. We tell the pols to go f*** themselves, and we
take care of ourselves and our neighbors. This entails refusing
to follow those dictates we know to be extra-Constitutional
whether it concern healthcare, gun ownership, taxes, etc. I can
read the Constitution for myself. The Founding Fathers made it
quite simple to understand. As long as I know that my rights are
inalienable and from God, not government, I will live my life as
I see fit for myself and my family.
bluecollarbytes| 3.3.10 @ 9:40PM
Republicans are fortunate to have such competition of ideas. What
is there currently in the Democrat Party?-->There is lockstep
and fearful. The Republican party is the big tent of ideas, even
if some of that is bleed-off from the relentless Leftist agenda
of 'moral superiors' on the Left.
At least the odds are good that we won't have to vote for 'the
next guy in line'...like a Dole or McCain 0r Romney(with
respect).
Donn Janes goes to far in attributing Corruption to them all,
Repubs or Demos. Politics are messy and deserve the sausage label
as much as legislation. Even the truest conservative in office
needs to work with the enemy, on both sides. Placing all the
blame on politicians also ignores the fault of a public which
generally goes along with whatever as long as it's not their
pockets and freedoms beings squeezed.
Whatever their motives, elected Republicans have been standing up
to Obama despite Obama's majority and his sidekick media. At some
point they start deserving to have their support back-filled.
"The NRSC's mission is not to further conservative principles.
Rather, it is to elect as many Republican senators as it can at
the lowest possible cost. "
Fine. But they need to include in their calculations the cost of
alienating the conservative base.
They also need to think about the long term return on their
investments, vis-à-vis Chafee, Specter, et. al.
Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 3.4.10 @ 12:32PM
"Democrat supermajorities empowering liberalism can only be
reduced by electing Republicans." I say baloney Mr. Antle III!
Democrat supermajorities empowering liberalism can only be
reduced by electing CONSERVATIVES! Tell me Mr. Antle III, what
have Lindsey Grahamnesty, John McCain, Olympia Snowe, & Susan
Collins done lately to stop the Democrat supermajorities in
Congress from empowering liberalism & poor liberal
legislation? What would Arlen Specter, Lincoln Chafee, & Dede
Scozzafava have done, if they were still Republicans (Scozzafava
still is, but in name only) to stem the tide of out of control
loony liberal legislaion? Until the GOP & their re-election
committees get a clue & start listening to the electorate
they can take a long walk off of a short pier! They will NEVER
get another dime from me until they get this message:
"Conservatism wins every time it is tried!" If they need cash for
their RINOcrats they can call up GWB, Colin Powell, Bill Bennett,
Sean Hannity, Mike Gallagher, Moot Spingrinch, Michael Medved
& Michael Smerconish! Sending the GOP "leadership" &
their re-election committees money is the equivalent of slitting
one's own throat! Direct funding of PROVEN conservative
candidates is the ONLY means left of getting conservative ideas
& principles back into the Federal government.
Margie| 3.4.10 @ 3:48PM
Just who is considered by you to be a "proven
conservative?"
Let me guess.
Ron Paul.
JmsA| 3.4.10 @ 12:35PM
"At the time the NRSC began leaning toward Crist, Cornyn's logic
looked solid."
I respectfully beg to differ: Cornyn is an establishment
republican; his logic, as is those of his ilk, is never solid.
When a Washington rino, e.g., Collins, Snowe, etc., goes against
truly solid conservative values, it not only dilutes the
conservative message, but it has an immensely demoralizing
effect. I guess these so called establishment republicans haven't
heard that the mainstream media is becoming increasingly
inconsequential, and thus they truly don't have to fear it.
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NVA PAtriot| 3.3.10 @ 6:44AM
Mr. Antle,
What your seeing is in somes ways simpler and more sophisticated than the political class has yet acknowledged. Up until recently, Conservatives and libertarians knew there were problems but we could not clearly identify the issue. It was the reason people said, "both parties are the same."
Thanks to Glenn Beck and others, we have crystalized what our problem is and identified the progressive movement and it's outcomes as the cancer attacking our society. The Tea Party and most libertaians who are active in politics now get it. We know what the problem is and we are identifying the problem in both parties. As the elections take place over the next few cycles watch as the "progressiveness" of a candidate is evaluated. When there is a viable (no truther/birther/ethics challenged) 'less progressive candidate' than the other, the less progressive candidate will win. Sometimes it will be a Republican liberal in MA. Sometimes it will be a Paulite in KY. Sometimes it will be a real conservative in FL. But we are identifying and attacking the progressives and we are going to root them out. It's just easier to start with the Republican party at this time.
Stiopping health care is crucial to that strategy so that they do not control so much of our lives that they cannot be defeated. That is their objective over the next 100years is total control ofsociety through environmental law (no true property rights), Government education (progressive indoctrination) and last through healthcare (no medicine unless you support teh progressive, right ideas). With that strategy, 2010 midterms mean nothing to them - hence the need for political sucide votes we're now likely to see by today's progressives, giving their all to the cause. One thing I hope to see is that the inherent greed for power of today's progressives makes them less likely to take those suicide votes because they want their power NOW and will not sacrifice for the greater progressive future.
Copyleft| 3.3.10 @ 9:55AM
You may not realize it, but you've just made the "lesser of two evils" argument that the GOP leadership relies on. As long as they know you'll vote AGAINST whoever the Democrats nominate, they can safely ignore the tea parties and small-government protestors, because they still own your votes.
I don't agree with your agenda, but I'm 100% behind those that acknowledge the problem with a two-party stranglehold on American politics.
Alan Brooks| 3.23.10 @ 12:30AM
Copyleft,
Aye, but you have no agenda yourself, because you hold no core values that are constant.
Your outmoded 20th century progressivism is finished-- yet you are the last to know.
Alan Brooks| 3.23.10 @ 12:33AM
... but at least Obama is no fool, unlike YOU, Copyleft.
Obama is a winner, like the proverbial guy who laughs all the way to the bank.
Franklin| 3.3.10 @ 12:50PM
NVA Patriot, thank you for this post.
In looking for candidates that are less progressive also means looking for candidates for smaller government. Until they are elected, we have no voting record to evaluate so we must judge the character - something that is near impossible with politicians.
Currently we need to replace any Democrat with a Republican to stop Obama's agenda. Then after a couple election cycles we can focus on the politician (no matter their letter after the name) that is progressive/big government.
I think a third party will be necessary in the future. Uber Left: Progressive, Center: Republicrat or Demolican, Right: Conservative. Or something like that.
Alan Brooks| 3.5.10 @ 10:26AM
The GOP has been clueless since the moment the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991.
The GOP will go the way of the Whigs.
Cris Worth| 3.3.10 @ 7:27AM
W. Bush was an ungrateful man....conservatives like Jerry Falwell bent over backwards to help re-elect him in 2004 but now the entire liberal GOP establishment is on notice,...NO MAS! Paul's victory in the CPAC straw poll is a good start. All conservatives/libertarians/tea partiers must unite and defeat the next assembly line liberal Republican Presidential candidate named Willard "Mitt" Romney.
loulou| 3.3.10 @ 12:34PM
And Pawlenty, Gingrich and Huckabee better get the message--we will not support Appeasing Republicans. They can go join the Democrat Party.
George Harper| 3.3.10 @ 1:02PM
Cris,
Are you a Jerry Falwell conservative or a Ron Paul conservative? Seems to me they're miles apart ...
Cris Worth| 3.3.10 @ 3:22PM
Conservative...constraining the federal government according to the constitution and the federal government protecting all individual rights listed in the constitution. For example border control is a federal government responsibilty and all immigration laws need to be enforced or changed to protect American citizens. All wars need a Congressional declaration before one troop is sent overseas. Congress is responsible to coin money not a private bank aka Federal Reserve. The census, national defense and the patent office are federal responsibilities too. Abortion, health care, education, energy and the environment to name a few are 10th ammendment issues therefore up to the states and the people. Yes I'm more of a Ron Paul conservative and ecstatic he beat Romney who governed as a big time liberal.
JohnJay60| 4.21.10 @ 7:58PM
Ron Paul opposed the Iraq War - as did President Obama. I would like all of those who accused anit-war Democrats of being unpatriotic to make a clear, similar statement about Congressman Paul.
martin j smith| 3.3.10 @ 7:34AM
If the Republican party does not have the backbone to stop Obama Care, they are then irrelevant.
John - TMF| 3.3.10 @ 7:42AM
Shades of the Gipper's 1975 CPAC speech.
1. Political parties are election machines, not ideological stalking horses. The candidates endorsed and nominated by any political party will ultimately be those people who can marshal the money and support to run, not necessarily be "right". This is a rule for ALL political parties, not just the GOP. Occam ’s razor dictates a two party political system. Unless the "Tea Party" movement can replace the GOP (and thereby becoming the “GOP”) it will be doomed to A) electing Democrats by pluralities running against fractured opposition and B) going the way of the Reform Party which elected Bill Clinton twice, and then died on the sword of Buchananism.
2. If the Tea Party movement wants to be effective and a great benefit to the polity of the United States, it fortifies the GOP by ceasing the blind irrational cynicism and helps to keep the Republican Party on the right of center. This takes a level a maturity and patience that I am afraid our general society might not have.
The GOP Establishment has the money, and the keys of power. It controls the agenda, and sometimes that agenda is as Mr. Antle points out, getting an R into office. If Tea Party folks want to make a difference, then they must join the county committees. They must submit candidates for nomination, work hard to win elections at the committee level. They also need to learn not to walk away when they lose. Politics is a give and take, it is also a real understanding that the battle is never over, and the opposition will never accept defeat. "The ok... We won... Now we’re going home." thing is a strategy for failure. It sounds noble, but the other guys are just waiting to take the field that you just abandoned.
3. And that leads me to the last item. Please be aware that the Democrat/Marxist/Fascist/Statist Party has internalized and understood this hard and fast rule; "say what they want, do what you will". In passing this healthcare monster, they will sacrifice their majorities and seats to impose the state into the intimate lives of all Americans. They know that even if 2010 is a disaster electorally, they will merely allow the GOP to occupy the driver's seat just before the crash. Of course they have internalized the following realities of their opposition:
A) It is fractions, easily mocked by the Propaganda Mills that they still hold absolute control over.
B) It is prone to quitting in anger, or out of blind adherence to ethereal “principle” which often proves politically suicidal. The Left has no principle but the power of the state.
C) It will "quit" after winning in 2010, and be unable to repeal anything while “The One” occupies the White House, which as the economy continues disintegrate, will seek to blame the Republicans for the failure. Of course with their easy hypocrisy they will filibuster any attempt past 2012 to repeal their monster, thus leaving it to the courts to dismantle and we all know where that often goes. Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid where never truly constitutional; but they have never been struck down by any court. The Left will have its fait accompli it will have replaced religion, enterprise, health, and life with the State.
It's ugly. The Tea Party folks need to go where they are most useful or they risk contributing to the decline by useless fits of self-destruction.
R/The Mighty Fahvaag
Siegfried X| 3.3.10 @ 10:28AM
" They also need to learn not to walk away when they lose.... the battle is never over, and the opposition will never accept defeat... the other guys are just waiting to take the field that you just abandoned. "
Yes and the RINOs are part of the opposition. There must be eternal struggle against liberal Republicans for control of the party, just as we must fight the Democrats. The RINOs never give up, so neither can conservative Republicans.
And one tactic for battling the RINOs is to SELECTIVELY sit out certain races, like by voting third party conservative. Just as liberal Republicans like Colin Powell threaten to vote Democratic if they aren't happy with the Republican Party. We need to be as tough as they are.
If liberal Republicans want our loyalty as party members, then they need to treat us as part of the party. Like giving our candidates a fair chance in the primaries. Liberal Republicans in power need to act like party members instead of rogues.
tatosian| 3.3.10 @ 2:21PM
Nonsense.
1- If political parties are just “election machines” rather than “ideological stalking horses”, how do you explain the undeniable success of progressive democrats in imposing their progressive ideology on the American people? Why do republicans and conservatives insist that adhering to a political ideology cannot work when we see it work, consistently, for progressives?
And Frankly, this “fractured opposition” argument has everything to do with republicans maintaining power and nothing to do with the needs or the God given rights of the American citizen.
2- Proclaiming that Americans can be of no benefit to the nation unless they fortify a degenerate, corrupt and cowardly republican party is pure partisan hackery. Tea Partiers and town hallers are already having a beneficial effect on the American polity. And the Tea Partiers have done so by NOT fortifying the republican party. Read the Tea Party Declaration of Independence.
3- “Say what they want, do as you will” perfectly describes the republicans As for the GOP occupying the driver’s seat just before the crash…are you kidding? The republicans drove drunk for six years throwing hundred dollar bills out the windows while their conservatives sat in the back, dutifully paying for gas, checking the oil and rotating the tires at every stop.
A, B, C—Yada yada yada. We may proclaim the left to be unprincipled in achieving their goals, but the imposition of their progressive agenda upon us continues. Other than Bunning, where is the effective republican principled opposition? Don't talk principles when principles are nowhere in evidence within the republican party.
Finally, the republicans have been sounding the alarm regarding obama’s nation destroying agenda. One would think, with our very survival at stake, that republicans would sacrifice their fortunes, honor and very lives to defend us. Instead we get partisan drivel. We are told we must continue to support a profligate and corrupt republican party that will not put itself at risk while the quality of our lives continues to diminish.
Finally, it’s not the Tea Party that contributes to our decline; it’s the republicans.
tatosian| 3.3.10 @ 2:25PM
Sorry about the "finally" redundancy thing.
John - TMF| 3.3.10 @ 3:04PM
Simple.. you lose... always and in perpetuity.
The Democrats win because they stay loyal to a political party that gets them elected. Democrats have many ideological stances... some are enviros, some are socialists, some are this some are that, but above all all are Democrats, and all of them fervently believe that the State is the answer. The Party is a means to an end.
You suffer from the typical anti everything cynical angry, fruitless warfare against friends because opponents are too hard to defeat.
So. Understand this:
There will be NO, ZERO, Nadda, Zippy... Third Party that will win elections. It will not happen. The Core of the Republican Party is too large, influential, and established for any third party to garner more than 20 to 25 percent of any electorate. Which means the Dems win. Because they have a coalition that maintains a steady 40+% and that number hasn't changed for almost two centuries now.
The GOP is not the 30 year old Whigs. It is the 156 year old Republican Party.
And Finally... for real since I have better things to do than fence with the perpetually peeved and flailing....
IF a Third party did successfully replace the Republican Party (big IF) it would look and act EXACTLY like the Republican Party because it would be made up of exactly the same people.
Cynicism is cheap and easy. Everyone is evil except "me and mine".
Like I said... epic fail.
Tootles
TMF
Siegfried X| 3.3.10 @ 4:19PM
The purpose of a third party is to stimulate the Republican party, not to replace it. No one wins a negotiation by giving in as soon as negotiations start. Conservatives need to be able to walk away from the table sometimes, just as liberal Republicans like Colin Powell walk away by voting Democratic.
The last 15 years have proven that ALWAYS voting for the RINO doesn't work. Doing that gave us John McCain as candidate. It's not even worth debating.
Margie| 3.3.10 @ 5:13PM
Bravo TMF! You are so right on. Well said, and I for one thank you.
loulou| 3.3.10 @ 5:52PM
Third party or not, I will not vote for a RINO.
tatosian| 3.3.10 @ 7:57PM
"The Democrats win because they stay loyal to a political party that gets them elected. "
Well no. The democrats win because they find a way to give their base whatever they want; from abortions on demand to pushing the homosexual agenda on kindergartners.
And while the core of the Republican Party may be large and influential, and they may have a coalition that maintains a steady 40+%, none of that changes the fact that republicans can't seem to slow the progressive juggernaut down.
Pointing this out doesn't make me an anti-everything cynic. It makes me a realist.
And yes, you bet your partisan hack butt I'm angry. Why wouldn't I be?
The republicans have forsaken their oath to uphold the constitution and to safeguard my liberties for their own aggrandizement. If that were not the case, we would not be in the situation we are in now.
I made no mention of a third party. You scared?
Cynicism might indeed be cheap and easy. But how much easier is it to go along to get along, lapdog?
Tootles? What're we, girlfriends?
Simon Templar| 3.3.10 @ 4:50PM
Tatosian..you have nailed it! Principles..clear defined principles...an understanding of history..and the ability to articulate that to the population. All of which have been missing for nearly a hundred years as the disease of progressivism has marched on. We are at a crossroad. Those that understand and believe in the founding principles of our founding fathers and the original classic liberalism of our constitution and form of government MUST step forward, speak loudly, unify, and do what ever is necessary to protect and defend these principles. How can I make it anymore clear that THIS IS IT! No more compromise, no more corruption, no more useless infighting and misdirection. The time to take a clear stand has come. Decide where you stand...for or against. The forces of tyranny and enemies of liberty have been exposed....progressives! While we are sitting around debating and sniping..they are about to pass law that will give big statist government control over one sixth of our country and have realized the first and essential step toward all socialist agendas. So, yes, we must take back this Republican party and set it back on its original principles that it established in that school house by 1850 "tea party" plain folk.
Grant| 3.3.10 @ 7:46AM
What is the point of the 'R' if, once elected, the politicians only give us 'D' stuff?
They should be made to uphold the oaths they swear to the U.S. Constitution, one way or another.
Even Lincoln needs a do-over minus the Statist overreach.
Tim| 3.3.10 @ 8:07AM
We,Tea Party Rebels Are Taking Down NEO-DEM Turncoat Specter With Pennsylvania's Next Senator , Real Conservative Pat Toomey. The Rebellion Escalates.
maverick muse| 3.3.10 @ 8:16AM
"At the time the NRSC began leaning toward Crist, Cornyn's logic looked solid. Not only did polls show Crist with a commanding lead over Rubio (Mason-Dixon put Crist ahead 53 percent to 18 percent), but the Florida governor had a huge cash advantage and was up by as much as 34 points in head-to-head match-ups with likely Democratic candidates."
Yep. And last November, Hutchison's bid for the TX gubernatorial race polled 80% support from Texan Republicans. That support evaporated into thin air.
Homer| 3.3.10 @ 11:14AM
Hutchison's bid did evaporate into thin air. However the globalist Perry got the Repub's nomination. Moreno was the only decent choice. I will have to vote Libertarian if I vote at all.
VinceP1974| 3.3.10 @ 8:34AM
This country is in collapse. Most of the politician R's talk like nothing is going on. It's infuriating beyond belief.
obadiah| 3.3.10 @ 1:21PM
the politician R's are satisfied with the way things are because they got theirs.
the politician D's are satisfied with the way things are because they got theirs.
getting theirs is what they are good at.
Melvin| 3.3.10 @ 8:43AM
John, what you say does make sense, but, as odd as this sounds, many in the Tea Party movement just want to left the hell alone. In other words, they don't have any real interest in the minutia of the inner workings of either party, but T.P. people have been basically dealt a hand that gives them no choice but to enter into the political arena.
The rescission/depression was the tipping point
of it all. Everyone was cutting back, because no all Americans were going out and putting multiple mortgages on their homes, taking vacations they couldn't really afford, and buying themselves into hock.
There are millions of Americans who lived within their means, and now are getting slammed with the bill, "To be Paid in Full," for something we didn't even get a chance to enjoy, like charging multiple trips to Disney World.
And now many of us are hopping mad, and the Tea Party has been an outlet for this anger. Some might misconstrue this anger has revolutionary but, this anger is akin to a jilted wife when she finds out that her husband has cheated on her with the remark of, "How the hell, could you have done this to me."
This, "How the hell, could you have done this to me" is now directed at the Republican Party. And it is going to be a very, very long time before the Republican Party i.e. the leadership can ever be trusted again if at all.
I know the above is wordy, but my opinion is, the the Republican Party leadership doesn't understand or even want to understand where this anger originates from and the government is too quick to place the Tim McVeigh tag on all the Tea Party members as a wild bunch of inbred, toothless, bible and rifle carrying hayseeds hell bent on overthrowing the government.
Just goes to show you how both sides don't even know their own fellow Americans.
Louis Jenkins| 3.3.10 @ 11:07AM
Melvin:
“Everyone was cutting back, because no all Americans were going out and putting multiple mortgages on their homes, taking vacations they couldn't really afford, and buying themselves into hock.”
That’s what is so infuriating. People with common sense use their money wisely. They know their limitations and spend accordingly. (I guess I was raised in a different day and age, and I still read Franklin’s “Poor Richard’s Almanac”) Our elected criminals in the District have no compunction to ignore the bleeding red ink on the ledger sheet.
Senator Bunning, Kentucky, only asked for a way to pay for the unemployment benefits extension out of the funny money his cohorts had already created, and the statist media and most of the senate keel hauled him. Even the Dead Elephant senators let him stand alone. That is how those people think (if you call it thinking). They cannot tolerate anyone who even hints at monetary responsibility. Folks, it can’t continue this way for much longer. The District of Criminals is ‘fiddling while the nation burns’ and election day 2010 is getting closer. On that day we the voters will step into the booth and have to make a choice- evil or awful. The nation will continue to burn and only the basement will be saved. The foundation will be kaput.
Siegfried X| 3.3.10 @ 4:24PM
"many in the Tea Party movement just want to left the hell alone"
The problem is political pacifism doesn't work: eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
The Democrats are always looking to control us. The liberal Republicans are always looking to control the Republican Party. Either we fight back or they win.
ggoblue| 3.3.10 @ 8:43AM
lmao outreach to the democratic party....the party that voted 60 for 60 in the senate with barak obama...the party that called the tea party movement nazis....
we gonna reach out to them with the billy club on the first tuesday in november.
in the meantime we will vote conservative in any primaries.
Claire Solt| 3.3.10 @ 8:48AM
I don't think any of the pros or pundits really know what is happening. We had fourteen years of triangulation when bush and Clinton strode the center by stealing the other party's ideas. But beginning with Howard Dean's claim thaat he represented the Democratic wing of the Democratic party the Republocrat consensus blew up. Then came the Tea Parties to show Republicans that they did not like this consensus either. consequently, although all experts agree that the center rules, nobody really knows where that really is. Only the Shadow knows, for sure.
maverick muse| 3.3.10 @ 9:16AM
"This dramatic polling turnaround suggested the NRSC was premature in picking a horse in the Florida race. But to many conservative activists, it was also part of a pattern of official party support for moderates and hostility to conservatives."
You can say that again.
Hostility to conservatives is based upon hostility to the Constitution. Study "official" Republican whole cloth rhetoric fabricated to support re-elections; that Republican Party favors revisionism that doesn't stop with party platform but revises Constitutional Governance.
Republican Conservatism was revised into progressive Neoconservatism, just as the Democrats have evolved into progressive Socialists. Follow the legislative record. Progressive politics from the turn of the 20th century have permeated BOTH parties with varied shades of success. Pointing the witch-hunt finger at Conservative Constitutional candidates is meant to support more revisionism, more neoconservatism. Witness Republicans augmenting federal powers, lessening states' rights, higher taxes and less response from elected officials preoccupied augmenting their own affluent corruption.
Now, the point is to confront and rescind progressive elements and officials.
The Conservatism that nominated Barry Goldwater for GOP POTUS still exists but is NOT represented in today's neoconservative Republican Party. Goldwater's conservatism exists more in the Libertarian platform which Republicans now eschew and repudiate as "radical" in order to excuse their own corrupt revisionism.
Republican revisionism preempts local authority and dissolves Constitutional Rights. Incumbent neoconservative Republicans are fighting to retain "ownership" of the Republican Party.
Republicans unconstitutionally augmented Federal bureaucracies with powers and czars to dictate educational curriculum and mandate Statist infringements against free thought, personal expression and choice involving health decisions.
Constitutional Conservatives do not have possession of the Republican Party purse strings. Neoconservatives "own" the Republican Party if possession is 9/10th of the law.
Given that Washingtonian neoconservative Republicans direct the Republican Party's agenda, their obvious disconnect with Republican voters is the battleground.
Neoconservatives can play Alinsky games all they want against Constitutional Conservatives. Such media ridicule does not alter the record differentiating platform and candidate agenda.
Wounding the voters who support the Constitution only makes more obvious the distinctions between neoconservative corrupt party favorites currently confronted by the up and coming Conservative candidates and voters who actually represent the grassroots, i.e. the "real" American population paying taxes and voting.
The personal taxation fixed upon citizens bears witness every paycheck. The lack of employment resulting from decades of government mandates and favored nation trade status with China began no thanks to neoconservative Nixon-Kissinger.
Our nation's dire economy, higher taxes combined with failed official government services (community police, fire, roads, mail) coincides with the increase of protected services provided to illegal aliens.
Where incumbents fail their Constitutional duties to their constituents, vote Conservative.
When in doubt, consider:
Borders. Language. Culture.
ds80| 3.3.10 @ 9:33AM
The Tree of Liberty will be refreshed in Nov, 2010.
Or the ramparts will be stormed.
Dan Hirsch| 3.3.10 @ 9:36AM
NO PROBLEM! Just think this simple thought "Congressional Tea Party Caucus." Scott Brown would be your caucus chair. Caucus with the Republicans. When they see our growing numbers, they'll come a'runnin'. Then we'll have to keep a sharp eye on them. How hard is this?
Joe Lieberman caucuses with the Democrats, yet calls himself Independent, as does Bernie Sanders. Joe is too far right to be a Dem, Bernie thinks he is too far left to be a Dem; but they are both counted as Democrat seats in determining majority party status....
Actually Bernie just talks too far left to be a Democrat, philosophically he's probably in the middle of the (very narrow) left-right Democrat spectrum. He just didn't get the memo about pretending not to be Socialist.
Tenn Slim| 3.3.10 @ 9:45AM
Opine
Right on the money. B. Sanders is the ex mayor of Burlington, Vt and at his deepest heart, loves his folks.
He rants and raves a lot. but underneath he is a basically good guy.
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Neo-libertarian| 3.3.10 @ 9:41AM
I put this in AT yesterday, but it seems relevant here.
This is not rocket science. In the last election the revolt against the RINO’s in the Republican leaning voting pool (or protest non-voting pool) produced Obama. He alone has advanced the conservative voice and awareness of the electorate, far more than any nuance “lesser of two evils” primary candidate selection. The tide in reestablishing a constitutional ideology has already turned, even without an election. The RNC, the power brokers (some who reside on these blogs) and the established incumbency will not learn by reinforcement. Always vote for the constitutional candidate, the most conservative.
Let the cards fall where they may. Liberals have been stymied even with the WH, the Senate and the House.
The real important issue will not be the outcome of the 2010 November elections, it will be to get ALL the degrees of conservative candidates to pledge to completely replace the RINOs as committee chairs and committee members. They are the problem, not the incoming roster that achieved office by surviving the tea party environment.
Tenn Slim| 3.3.10 @ 9:43AM
If the Republican party does not have the backbone to stop Obama Care, they are then irrelevant. (and all other OBNA intiitatives)
bt
Precisely said. Current day Conservatives, IE: the New Breed do and have the backbone.
We Will Prevail come nov 2010
Semper Fi
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Bob Miller| 3.3.10 @ 10:12AM
Because they are a minority, the Republicans in Congress don't now have the ABILITY to stop Obamacare, unless enough Democrats can resist their own leaders pushing this reconciliation gambit. Republicans need more members of Congress, conservative of course, to have that ability. Without taking control of the Republican Party, how exactly can conservatives translate their principles into legislation or at least stifle bad legislation?
John Navratil| 3.3.10 @ 10:24AM
"The NRSC's mission is not to further conservative principles. Rather, it is to elect as many Republican senators as it can at the lowest possible cost. If this means supporting a moderate or liberal Republican over a lesser-known conservative, then this is precisely what the NRSC can be expected to do. "
And that is precisely why I do not give money to the party and haven't done so since Bush 41 presided over the largest tax increase in history (at the time).
Each party is pulled to battle at their frontiers. This dismays those who hold less centrist views and diminishes party principles. When putting an 'R' or 'D' against a name is more important than principles, the result is the permanent political class and the "little people" are damned.
Stop all this wailing about parties and fratricide. Remember the voter! The party is reaping what it has sown.
maverick muse| 3.3.10 @ 10:26AM
"This latter, more libertarian, group isn't just against the parts of that agenda that were never popular with conservatives to begin with, like amnesty for illegal immigrants or excessive federal spending, but the conduct of the war on terror. Still other Tea Partiers are passionately hawkish."
Yes. The Libertarian element that started the Tea Party protest against government corruption has been augmented by disenchanted mainstream Republicans who as yet mistake "neoconservative" as modern conservative, having yet failed to research the Leninist origin and evolution into the Republican Party powerhouse.
...
"But even troubled relationships tend to endure when both parties have nowhere else to turn. "
That pessimism hardly reflects modern young Americans whose vaulted self-importance manages the breakaway from abusive relationships, even if only to spin into the next. An element of wisdom can be gleaned through the school of hard knocks. That wisdom need not be pessimism, though drop-outs quit "satisfied" at that point as if pessimism improves their lot in life.
The internet provides open access to research. And though many are easily distracted from application, I do not question that people have curiosity. Currently, there is massive disapproval with our government. We are discussing the disgust that Conservatives have with the corruption of the Republican Party.
It would prove the quintessence of stupidity to reference Constitutional Conservatives as impotent, given that the neoconservatives have pirated the Republican Party.
"No where to turn," is the neoconservative message to the Tea Party movement.
I don't buy it. And I repudiate those who would make that assertion. This is, as yet, still the United States of America. Although the corrupt "own" the two major parties, they do not "own" the minds and hearts of the American people.
Constitutionally protected public discourse defines where politicians stand.
McCain stood against free speech, and as yet has failed to retract his law found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. The only reason Conservatives were willing to vote for McCain on the GOP potus ticket was on the basis of judges to be appointed. Actions speak louder than words, and McCain's apparent disrespect for the Constitution and the Supreme Court negates the endorsement and purpose for which voters spent their votes. Since Massachusetts Scott Brown announced McCain as his model, the Unites States has his extension in the Senate. No conservative begrudges Massachusetts their new Republican Senator. But the neoconservative template that Brown emulates will never satisfy constituent populations from more conservative regions. That the Republican Party is attempting to politically assassinate candidates and supporters from the Tea Party movement of revolution is no surprise, just politics as usual.
And abused Conservative voters with their ballots get to vent in private against their abusers.
Limbaugh convinced MANY Republicans to vote for Hillary on the primary ballot to rebuke the GOP primary process that gave the 2008 GOP ticket to McCain. Disgruntled mainstream Republicans have already practiced the process of electoral revolt against the Republican electoral process. It isn't as if mainstream conservatives are so pessimistic or apathetic that they refuse to regain the GOP power structure.
A main characteristic of conservatives is their resilience to preserve the Constitution and smaller government. That resilience does not give up after one national election, nor after many primaries and general elections.
Resilience does not "give up" UNLESS the definition undergoes REVISIONISM in order to pollute and corrupt meaning and effect.
I am certainly not the only voter who is researching meanings and records to determine where I can align and what I can do to retain my American heritage by preserving our supreme authentic Constitutional Governance for our posterity.
Rebuke Socialism, not only in our opponents, but within our Republican Party. Neoconservatives are the progressive socialists currently officiating the Republican Party. They are the corrupt usurpers of the Tea Party identity who repudiate the Libertarians as radical anti-Americans. "If you can't beat them, join them," is a progressive tactic that does not dilute the progressive, but instead permeates the entity to redefine and ruin the authentic meaning which an element possessed.
Conservatism supports the Constitution. Conservatives protect the Constitution.
MikeF1| 3.3.10 @ 10:34AM
We conservatives are truly fed up with the party structure and are not giving to the RNC or the NRSC. I have learned an important lesson. If 100,000 of us will contribute $100 each to a targeted candidate, we can raise $10 million dollars for each candidate targeted. That will beat the RNC, NRSC and the DNC candidate everytime. That's what I and many of my friends plan to do. You witnessed it on a small scale with Scott Brown. While he is not exactly a conservative, it shows what we can do. When the Tea Party people got behind him he started raising $1 million dollars a day and won the election.
Margie| 3.3.10 @ 12:23PM
MikeF1,
Excellent idea! This is precisely what we need to do. And I just had a thought. I saw the commercials for raising money for the earthquake victims in Haiti put on by actors. They said text or dial a certain number to give $10.00. What if a conservative candidate put an ad on like that on t.v. A 15 second ad. But say exactly what you said. Give $100.00, not just $10.00, because you are right. THAT is a realistic amount to really make the difference.
With the amazing invention of the internet by algore, (heehee), we now get to know (and radio) who the true conservatives are, so doing that 15 second ad on t.v. could only help.
Just an idea!
martin j smith| 3.3.10 @ 10:49AM
Those of you who say that being tenacious and single minded about fighting the left are absolutely right.(correct, that is to say ). What is really needed are ways to counter MSM BS( Lies in Casa Blanca ).
And, there is a need for more aggressive challenging of RINOS. For Example John McC.
Other than Sara Palin who endorsed MacC out of obligation ( since he brought her on his ticket )others who endorse him should be the kiss of political demise. The other Rinos who you all know need to be treated like any Left Democrat, unless they act otherwise.
Those repubs who went and spoke at the summit I thought did a good job. But, that is not enough they are facing a challenge of momentous proportions and I do not know if they know what they are doing,faking it or actually currupted too far. The viability of any opposition to the democrat Left appears at risk. This is the point that must sink in.
Sheila| 3.3.10 @ 11:28AM
Enough with the posturing and strutting, already. All the talking and posting in the world does utterly nothing to lessen the power of the NRSC, and despite those who declare their intention to sweep all moderates out of congress, results in elections speak for themselves. Here in Texas almost all incumbents won re-election yesterday, and the most conservative candidates lost badly. No, they didn't have the money or name recognition, but their biggest problem was the VOTERS - you know, the great "American people" that fools are always proclaiming their trust in. I say again what I've been saying for months - people think everyone else's representative or senator needs to go, but their own is fine - just as everyone else's public schools need to improve, but theirs is fine, and all other government subsidies and handouts need to go, but their own (SS, medicaid, medicare, subsidized college loans) is VITAL. I will continue to vote for the most conservative candidate I can find, but I'm tired of all these Doctors Pangloss who insist that human nature and inertia has changed in their best of all possible worlds. Bah, humbug I say. Decline and fall.
Siegfried X| 3.3.10 @ 12:01PM
"Neither is there anything new about the sense that party leaders stack the deck against conservatives."
That is the real problem. Teammates don't cheat each other. Liberal Republicans cannot expect my loyalty when they rig primaries, like McCain's nomination.
David| 3.3.10 @ 1:32PM
John, you could not be more wrong. We need to nominate the conservative candidate in every primary race in every election and in every election cycle. Marco Rubio in Florida proves you wrong about the power and money of the establishment Republicans party. Who needs them when they support people like Crist, McCain, Scozzofava in NY, the Specters, etc.
Hopefully, Hayworth will be our general election candidate in AZ and not McCain.
We will alway have some RINO's in Congress because of the northeast and CA, but we can keep them to such a small number that they will have no influence and will have to go along with a conservative agenda. I can't see even RINO's switching and supporting the liberal/socialist agenda of the Democrats.
jwschneider@braemarnet.com| 3.3.10 @ 3:37PM
You misunderstand... Yes we need to nominate the most conservative candidate that we can.
That is NOT going to happen by osmosis however. Nominations don't happen out of blue sky, hearts and flowers... and fancy hopes and dreams...
Nominations occur because people go to county conventions and caucuses. They occur because individuals step up and run responsible, enthusiastic campaigns.
Conservatives will usually win when they work to win. But sometimes the most conservative person doesn't win. Well that means you support the winner, and push for a victory in the next nomination battle.
Politics is the art of the possible. You cannot wave a magic wand and demand that all things conform to your view of the world. If you do that your phone booth of support is likely to be small, and in case you didn't notice most folks don't need phone booths anymore anyway.
The RINO thing has gone too far. There are indeed Republicans in name only. They do make life tough for Conservative and even moderate Republicans. If everyone but you is a RINO then there is a problem with the definition.
George W. Bush was NOT a RINO and neither was his father, McCain for all of his painfulness was and is not a RINO. Spectre was a RINO... the Maine twins border on it... but so far have maintained a modicum of respectability.
To call everyone a RINO means that no one is. And the term merely becomes an excuse for rank cynicism.
Winning means work. It means reasonable compromise with Conservative principles being the guiding factors... Ronald Reagan was a REPUBLICAN. He was also a Conservative, but first and foremost he was a loyal, effective, and sucessful Republican. And he would bridle at the thought that a third party path was a good one.
Ta Ta... TMF
David| 3.3.10 @ 1:34PM
One more thing, the states that allow registered Democrats to vote in the Republican primaries should end that practice as of the 2010 elections.
Bram| 3.3.10 @ 1:45PM
"By the end of his presidency, many of them felt whupped by their own party..." I didn't make through his first term.
By 2002 I was asking where the flat-tax and spending controls were. In 2003, my last prepaid RNC donation envelope was used to send a Dear John letter explaining why they would never see another penny from me until they govern as conservatives.
Chris in VA| 3.3.10 @ 2:17PM
It's not only the Ron Paul libertarians that criticize the Bush 43 agenda. Pro-lifers were left in the lurch -- major league, big time -- by the Bush-Cheney scorched-earth polities that destroyed pro-life chances at progress even as the country turned more strongly against abortion.
Bush defied the Constitution every bit as much as Earl Warren ever did. That disregard weakened terribly the arguments of pro-lifers to find a constitutional remedy to abortion on demand. And of course the unconstitutional wars destroyed our majorities in Congress.
David| 3.3.10 @ 2:24PM
Don't forget, Bush's first act as president was to cuddle with Ted Kennedy and increase federal education funding by 50%. He lost me at that point.
Mark| 3.3.10 @ 2:40PM
How is it that someone who can spell and use "bete noire" correctly doesn't realize that the verb form of "coronation" is "crown", not "coronate"?
Otherwise, not a bad article.
Melvin| 3.3.10 @ 3:05PM
People, people, people! The Democrats are pushing that abomination of a health reform bill that is unconstitutional as hell.
You guys already know this, just makes me feel better to rant.
rdman| 3.3.10 @ 3:07PM
Sometime ago, the current GOP leadership stated that Sarah Palin would not be a candidate for “grooming” for a Presidential run. Since when do We The People need our favored/chosen candidate (whomever that may be) to be “groomed” by the Inside-the-Beltway Government Class???
The GOP leadership needs to be reminded that Governor Sarah Palin was and is overwhelming supported by the Alaskan people. Despite being Lieutenant Governor of his state, how did Mr. Steele fair in his run for Governor of his state??
Meanwhile, it has been reported that current GOP leadership is living it up on GOP donations with limousines, private jets and lavishly catered events for the "insiders".
APPEASEMENT, COMPROMISE, PLACATING and the RINO STATUS QUO is not LEADERSHIP and no longer ACCEPTABLE!!!
Mike| 3.5.10 @ 11:03AM
Mike Steele ran for and lost for Maryland Senator. However, Steele and former Gov Erhlich-R are moderates. They never got my vote
George Silvestri| 3.3.10 @ 3:13PM
Mr. Atlee is wrong on several points.
I am a conservative and was in the final years of engineering college after a tour in the US Navy.
Taft would have been slaughtered. Following his election, Eisenhower began rearming in the face of the Soviet threat. He grew the economy through his policies and kept inflation under control. How dare you align him with left of center kooks.
There are those among so called conservatives who are libertarian extremists. Government does have a place in providing for our defense and ensuring that excesses do not occur in the private sector. I am for free markets and avoid the blanket argument regarding capitalism, it covers too many sins.
Maybe it is time for Mr. Atlee to get out of his armchair and talk to those of us who were of voting age then and are still alive instead of reling on the writings of ideologues.
If you want to disaffect Independent, keep writing articles like this or avoid extremist positions.
George Silvestri
JP| 3.3.10 @ 7:32PM
President Eisenhowe may have had a firm handle on foreign affairs, but he joined the Dems in continuing and expanding FDR's New Deal. Domestic spending in entitlements continued to increase through out the 1950s; increases in Welfare, education, transportation (which exploded) and other federal spending and regulations increased 3 fold. Increases in fuel, income, excise, and capital gains taxes were signed by Eisenhower. The GOP lost significant ground through out Eisenhower's reign. But his 2 biggest mistakes was the appointment of Earl Warren and Terry Brennan to the High Court.
Simon Templar| 3.3.10 @ 5:18PM
Let us not forget that this is much more than just about elections of conservative candidates or republican candidates. It is about the concerted attempt by a segment of of the american population over the last 100 years to transform this republic into something that it was not intended to be. The progressives have had a clear vision of what they wanted and how to achieve it. Through hook and crook they slowly took over the entertainment, university, media, and school systems. Most people do not have a clue as to what our founders believed nor have an understanding of what conservativism means. I am afraid to tell you but we lost the culture war. So, in short, elect conservatives, elect libertarians, elect republicans and fight the necessary political battles to get them there. The real battles must also start in your local schoool district, your university,your local newspaper. We have a lot of catching up to do and no more room for sitting it out or laziness.
ImagePhreak| 3.3.10 @ 5:50PM
While we argue and pit democrats against republicans, liberal against conservative, people like Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski along with the central banks, make off with our wealth, our borders, our resources and our freedoms. We must stop the political social fighting and expose the shadow government. End the private Federal Reserve, read the constitution, and we will repair our republic.
jr| 3.3.10 @ 5:51PM
I routinely do not give much to Republicans - and haven't given any for the past 2 years. I hang up on the Repubs asking for money. I chewed them out consistently but it did no good. Nothing changed. I will now give some to specific politicians based on what they do for me and the country. At the first hint of earmarks or wrong votes, that will end it.
philfl63| 3.3.10 @ 9:11PM
It does little good to vote for a Rinolican who is as corrupt and cynical as a Democrat. Actually the whole argument is a big smokescreen. Everyone in America is focused on elections of politicians, whether Repubs, conservatives, or whatever. We all seem to have the idea that politicians are going to save us and save our country. Each citizen must do what is needed to take care of himself and his family. No politician in Washington, D.C., a state capital, or a city hall gives a rat's a** about you or your family or your well-being. This is not cynicism, it is fact. We do as we did 150 years ago, and we look after ourselves and our neighbors. We tell the pols to go f*** themselves, and we take care of ourselves and our neighbors. This entails refusing to follow those dictates we know to be extra-Constitutional whether it concern healthcare, gun ownership, taxes, etc. I can read the Constitution for myself. The Founding Fathers made it quite simple to understand. As long as I know that my rights are inalienable and from God, not government, I will live my life as I see fit for myself and my family.
bluecollarbytes| 3.3.10 @ 9:40PM
Republicans are fortunate to have such competition of ideas. What is there currently in the Democrat Party?-->There is lockstep and fearful. The Republican party is the big tent of ideas, even if some of that is bleed-off from the relentless Leftist agenda of 'moral superiors' on the Left.
At least the odds are good that we won't have to vote for 'the next guy in line'...like a Dole or McCain 0r Romney(with respect).
Donn Janes goes to far in attributing Corruption to them all, Repubs or Demos. Politics are messy and deserve the sausage label as much as legislation. Even the truest conservative in office needs to work with the enemy, on both sides. Placing all the blame on politicians also ignores the fault of a public which generally goes along with whatever as long as it's not their pockets and freedoms beings squeezed.
Whatever their motives, elected Republicans have been standing up to Obama despite Obama's majority and his sidekick media. At some point they start deserving to have their support back-filled.
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Yosemeti Sam| 3.4.10 @ 10:37AM
" Party Bashing ...."
Nay - Spring house cleaning via primaries!
RightKlik| 3.4.10 @ 12:05PM
"The NRSC's mission is not to further conservative principles. Rather, it is to elect as many Republican senators as it can at the lowest possible cost. "
Fine. But they need to include in their calculations the cost of alienating the conservative base.
They also need to think about the long term return on their investments, vis-à-vis Chafee, Specter, et. al.
Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 3.4.10 @ 12:32PM
"Democrat supermajorities empowering liberalism can only be reduced by electing Republicans." I say baloney Mr. Antle III! Democrat supermajorities empowering liberalism can only be reduced by electing CONSERVATIVES! Tell me Mr. Antle III, what have Lindsey Grahamnesty, John McCain, Olympia Snowe, & Susan Collins done lately to stop the Democrat supermajorities in Congress from empowering liberalism & poor liberal legislation? What would Arlen Specter, Lincoln Chafee, & Dede Scozzafava have done, if they were still Republicans (Scozzafava still is, but in name only) to stem the tide of out of control loony liberal legislaion? Until the GOP & their re-election committees get a clue & start listening to the electorate they can take a long walk off of a short pier! They will NEVER get another dime from me until they get this message: "Conservatism wins every time it is tried!" If they need cash for their RINOcrats they can call up GWB, Colin Powell, Bill Bennett, Sean Hannity, Mike Gallagher, Moot Spingrinch, Michael Medved & Michael Smerconish! Sending the GOP "leadership" & their re-election committees money is the equivalent of slitting one's own throat! Direct funding of PROVEN conservative candidates is the ONLY means left of getting conservative ideas & principles back into the Federal government.
Margie| 3.4.10 @ 3:48PM
Just who is considered by you to be a "proven conservative?"
Let me guess.
Ron Paul.
JmsA| 3.4.10 @ 12:35PM
"At the time the NRSC began leaning toward Crist, Cornyn's logic looked solid."
I respectfully beg to differ: Cornyn is an establishment republican; his logic, as is those of his ilk, is never solid. When a Washington rino, e.g., Collins, Snowe, etc., goes against truly solid conservative values, it not only dilutes the conservative message, but it has an immensely demoralizing effect. I guess these so called establishment republicans haven't heard that the mainstream media is becoming increasingly inconsequential, and thus they truly don't have to fear it.
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