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The Campaign Spectator
Lou Dobbs’ America
The hatching of a kinder, gentler immigration hawk.
When Lou Dobbs stepped away from his desk at CNN, where he was a founding anchor, for the last time, the headlines buzzed with speculation about what might be next for the controversial commentator. National Public Radio, for instance, reported that Lou Dobbs Tonight was ended so that its erstwhile host could “seek new ways to advocate his often inflammatory views.”
Nobody suspected that the next chapter might entail a bigger departure than leaving CNN—a possible break with the immigration hawks who had fueled the latest stage of Dobbs’s career. After the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States, Dobbs took a more populist turn on issues involving trade, globalization, the middle class, and above all illegal immigration. Dobbs’s immigration commentary made him more popular than ever before. As TAS contributor Jeffrey Lord, Dobbs’s final on-air guest, reported at length, it also made the talking head a frequent target of liberal, multicultural, and Hispanic groups, culminating in a Drop Dobbs campaign calling on “advertisers to stop advertising on the Lou Dobbs program because of his misstatements about immigrants.”
Even ACORN and mainline Protestant churches eventually got into the act. “Because if they can silence Lou Dobbs,” Lord wrote, “they will eventually try to silence you.” The immigration-related controversies inflamed tensions between Dobbs and CNN executives, who claimed to be trying to push the network away from commentary to stake out an objective niche distinct from Fox News on the right and MSNBC on the left. Although CNN president Jonathan Klein praised Dobbs and publicly described the parting as amicable, he also said pointedly, “We are a very profitable company because of our commitment to journalism. So we don’t want to do anything that is off-mission—and we’re not going to be.”
For his part, Dobbs—who had a previous stint away from CNN to start a short-lived Internet venture a decade ago—said he was going to seize an even bigger platform to advance his favored causes. “Some leaders in media, politics, and business have been urging me to go beyond the role here at CNN,” he told viewers, “and to engage in constructive problem-solving, as well as to contribute positively to a better understanding of the great issues of our day.” But shortly thereafter, Dobbs began to tone down what NPR described as his “often inflammatory views” on his signature issue.
First came this statement on Dobbs’s website: “Ethnocentric special interest groups often mischaracterize Lou’s position on illegal immigration. The left routinely ignores the context of everything Lou has said about illegal immigrants.” A compilation of less-than-inflammatory quotations followed. “I’m absolutely one of the most passionate opponents of illegal immigration,” Dobbs said during one of his broadcasts, “but I’ve also made it very clear I’m also one of those who respects most the illegal aliens, I’ve described them on numerous occasions as the only rational actor in this crisis.”
“You’ve heard me say time and time again that the only rational actor in this is the illegal alien trying to improve his or her life,” reads another Dobbs blurb. “You’ve heard me say time and time again that the illegal employer of the illegal alien deserves the greatest sanctions in this mess.” Dobbs continued, “I have great respect for the people who make up the preponderance of the illegal alien population in our country, that is Mexican migrant workers.”
Dobbs went so far as to say in one immigration discussion, “I think I’m the only one on this panel who’s actually worked with migrant workers in the fields, with beans, potatoes, hay in my youth. I know them to be good and decent people.” Then the Wall Street Journal—a well-known home for pro-immigration conservatives whose editorial page once annually called for a constitutional amendment decreeing, “There shall be open borders”—quoted Dobbs as saying “we need the ability to legalize illegal immigrants under certain conditions.” The WSJ found this statement in a Dobbs interview with the Spanish-language network Telemundo, where the former CNN commentator told host Maria Celeste “I am one of your greatest friends” and even apologized for his inability to address the audience in Spanish.
The reaction in restrictionist circles was swift. The Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC) withdrew its call for Dobbs to run for president on an anti-illegal immigration platform. “While Mr. Dobbs claims his positions have not changed, however, that is not the perception of many of our mutual supporters,” said William Gheen of ALIPAC in a statement. “His recent comments on Telemundo and his national radio show supporting some kind of path to citizenship for illegal immigrants are inconsistent with positions of ALIPAC and the views of most American citizens.”
“I really don’t know what to make of all this, but that utterly ridiculous statement about the illegal alien being the only rational actor proves, to me, that Lou has gone rogue,” Isabel Lyman, a conservative activist who is herself Hispanic, told TAS. “Try telling that to the grieving families of Kris Eggle, Dustin Inman, Lila Meizel, Robert Rosas, and Leonard Dykstra—Americans who were needlessly killed by criminal illegal aliens who shouldn’t have been here in the first place.”
Immigrant-friendly sentiments, however, are actually not that uncommon among moderate restrictionists. Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies has called for a “low-immigration, pro-immigrant” approach to the issue. “It’s not the immigrants—it’s us,” he argued in his book The New Case Against Immigration. “What’s different about immigration today as opposed to a century ago is not the characteristics of the newcomers.”
Nor is a nuanced approach necessarily limited to highbrow immigration reformers. No less a populist than Minuteman leader Jim Gilchrist once told me he was personally sympathetic to the plight of illegal immigrants, even as he found illegal immigration contrary to the American national interest. Gilchrist had no reason to soft-pedal to ingratiate himself to me—I was interviewing him for Pat Buchanan’s American Conservative magazine, where I then worked and was (rather hostilely) covering proposals to give amnesty to illegal immigrants.
Let’s not get carried away, wrote Joe Guzzardi, a columnist for Peter Brimelow’s restrictionist webzine VDare. Calling the idea that Dobbs now supported amnesty “the most extreme conclusion any viewer could come to,” Guzzardi argued, “My interpretation: Dobbs means that if the border were successfully secured, he might support amnesty, depending on how the legislation was written.”
Yet Guzzardi’s fellow VDare scribe Brenda Walker detected Dobbs going wobbly more than a year before his post-CNN apology tour. Dobbs told liberal writer David Sirota he’d be open to tripling legal immigration if “we make a judgment that we’re going to raise immigration levels.” “There’s nothing in me that is a restrictionist whatsoever, and I realize that separates me from others who are against illegal immigration on the basis that there is too much immigration,” Sirota quotes Dobbs as saying in his book The Uprising. “I don’t believe that.” It is merely Washington’s lack of control over immigration that “leaves [Dobbs] in despair.”
BUT DOBBS MAY WANT TO DO MORE than clarify his position. It’s not just obscure activist groups that are contemplating a Dobbs presidential bid — the Wall Street Journal reported that Dobbs may be considering a run for the White House or the U.S. Senate himself. The late columnist Robert Novak wrote about this possibility as early as 2008. The Journal noted Dobbs “is working to repair his reputation for antipathy toward Latino immigrants” which his associates consider “a glaring flaw” in his ability to seek public office.
Skeptics remember that before briefly leaving CNN the first time in 1999, Dobbs was a supporter of free trade and free markets—the kind of conventional pro-business Republican one might expect the network’s chief economics anchor to be. One doubter in the Washington business press opined that Dobbs’s immigration conversion “always smelled fishy to me.” When Dobbs returned to the network and was trying to regain audience share, my correspondent recalled, “He thrashed around for a while until he started hitting the anti-immigration drum and his ratings perked up.” Might his current makeover be similarly motivated?
Either way, Ross Perot was able to tap into popular concerns about immigration without eliciting many accusations of racism (his “you people” address to the NAACP notwithstanding). But will the kinder, gentler Lou Dobbs sell? “Lou, Lou, Lou,” says Lyman, a longtime fan. “The man has been causing my head to spin.”
About the Author
W. James Antle, III, author of the new book Devouring Freedom: Can Big Government Ever Be Stopped?, is editor of the Daily Caller News Foundation and a senior editor of The American Spectator. You can follow him on Twitter @jimantle.
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rssg| 1.29.10 @ 6:42AM
If being for enforcement of immigration law makes one a "hawk", then so be it, I am. Furthermore and more importantly, the USA needs a reduction in legal immigration for the next ten years or so. With 10% unemployment and little chance of that number going down anytime soon, there is no excuse other than LIBERALISM to advocate more and more and more people coming to our country.
Immigration time out please.
Larry| 1.29.10 @ 5:11PM
good Idea there rssg. I'll tell you what I have a job for you in arizona. during the hotest months of the year. and it doesnt require ant education. and oh yeah I dont pay to much more than minimum wage. So will you please come out and work for me and please bring your entire family also. Bring your own water and food also. no stealing from me or my crops. You will be requied to feed the pigs and clean up their crap. Etc. Then I want you to work from 4 am in the morning to ^ pm at night. Oh and I may not pay you if you dont produce. You people in the USA are freakin ready for slavery. I for one am not ready. So bring your White folks and tell them its time we became America's Slaves. Tell those Little White Children the same. If America's gonna fix itself. Truly this is what you mean when you say 10 years right. I will spectate.
WA4RRN| 1.29.10 @ 6:52PM
LARRY...You seriously haven't a clue about migrant labor visas offered during the 60s when I was a teen OR into the 80s! Spare me your abject ignorance of such...
Steve| 1.31.10 @ 12:58PM
You are a bozo.
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Alan Brooks| 1.29.10 @ 8:18PM
Arizona isn't the only state, Larry.
Don't buy into your own rhetoric-- for therein you con yourself.
Alan Brooks| 2.25.10 @ 6:46PM
Very worst thing is: our greatest threat isn't the Mideast, it is our s. border. And too bad Latins are such pleasant people, it makes it hard to dislike them-- so thus to harden against them.
The road to perdition really IS paved with good people & good intentions.
Tom| 1.30.10 @ 5:54AM
Larry,
So you are ok with enslaving brown Mexicans? Just checking.
Tom
Milo| 1.31.10 @ 3:00PM
Slaves? They come here of their own free will. It would be better if they employed their efforts to reforming their country. When Eastern Europeans were unable to emigrate out of Communism they found a way to reshape their governments. Maybe we should finish the wall across our southern border.
Tom| 2.1.10 @ 7:21AM
Milo,
Did you read the OP I responded to? He was the one who mentioned slavery, not I. My question is if he thought it was slavery and 'white americans' would not do the work why is it ok for brown mexicans to do so.
Yes, we should finish the wall across our border.
Tom
Alan Brooks| 2.25.10 @ 6:37PM
"When Eastern Europeans were unable to emigrate out of Communism they found a way to reshape their governments. Maybe we should finish the wall across our southern border."
Milo, you are too bright a bulb to not know that there are v. few Latino Havels, John Pauls and Solidarinoscs anywhere in Latin America.
Europe and upper N. America are it-- that's all she wrote.
vanzorge| 1.31.10 @ 7:51AM
larry
you are acting like an hysteric
Chris Pedersen | 1.31.10 @ 2:11PM
Hey Larry, do yourself a favor and look up fairtax.org and read the two books and always remember this.
ONLY A FLAMMING FOOOOOOL, AN IDIOT , WOULD ARGUE AGAINST KEEPING ALL OF THEIR OWN MONEY AND ARGUE AGAINST THEIR OWN MONATARY SELF PRESERVATION BY DOING SO!!
See: fairtax.org and read the two books.YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED!
lobotomyzd| 1.31.10 @ 5:54PM
Hey Chris, do yourself a favor & look up factcheck.org and you will find the "fairtax" benefits those making over $150K to the detriment of everybody else.
AuntieMadder| 1.31.10 @ 2:12PM
Larry, just because manual labor is beneath liberals like yourself, don't assume that it's beneath all American citizens. As a guest - a black woman - on Glenn Beck's program a couple of weeks ago pointed out, watching the program Dirty Jobs, where she'd seen men wade waist-deep in feces as part of their jobs, is all the proof you need that Americans will do anything for a paycheck. She went on to say that hiring illegal immigrants for low paying, manual labor is a way to keep poor, urban blacks, along with other poor citizens, mostly unskilled and un- or under-educated, on government assistance, not only during their lifetimes but for generations past and generations to come.
When liberals say that we need immigrant workers to do the dirty work, what they really mean is that they don't want to open those opportunities to the poor Americans that they've kept enslaved and dependent upon them for generations. After all, if those jobs were available to citizens, a lot of welfare recipients would move off the dole and onto their own two feet. Then on whose votes could the liberal elitist politicians (read: statists) count?
Slightly off-topic yet related, the liberals currently in WA DC are working on legislation to give illegal immigrant workers the right to vote in elections, thus securing another group of voters who are indebted to and dependent upon liberals.
Jacamina| 1.31.10 @ 3:16PM
@AuntieMadder... Amen Sister! Couldn't have said it any better!
But I would add just a tiny note... The virus that infected the Democrat party don't want to be classified as Liberals anymore (they destroyed that name)... Now they want to be called Progressives! If anyone knows history, these same folks, back in the late 19th century / early 20th century, were called Progressives. That was about the time they renamed their brand to Liberals, because they damaged the word Progressives. Now... looks like they are rebranding themselves, yet again!
Also... these same progressives are also infesting the Republican party, too!
Lets look for real common sense, fiscal conservatives (whoever they are / which ever party they represent) to be voted into Washington. These are the ones that know that they work for US!
AuntieMadder| 1.31.10 @ 3:40PM
Thanks, Jacamina. It's hard to keep up with the labels nowadays with political correctness run amok. It would be easiest to just call them Marxists and leave it at that. A socialist by any other name still stinks.
Tom| 1.31.10 @ 3:55PM
Another off topic, Obama and crew are shock at the Supreme courts decision to allow corporations to spend money to influence elections, because it would allow for foreign influence. Any Liberal explain what is the difference is foreign corporations and bringing in illegal immigrants to vote? Kind of Hypocritical if you ask me!!
SUZANNE S SOLOMON| 1.31.10 @ 9:56PM
Tom is right on target . Hypocritical -- to say the least...
Kohl| 1.30.10 @ 9:20PM
Laws, like borders are political 'lines in the sand'. What attracts illegal immigrants to this country is what keeps the legal citizen living here: a stable, functioning economy. What would happen if Mexico opened its borders, economy and lowered all significant taxes, creating a business/worker paradise? I'd imagine millions of American citizens would be crossing the border into Mexico, looking for the opportunities they've lost here. It could happen there!
Herman King| 1.31.10 @ 9:03AM
Beware of Scott Brown as well. He is endorsing John "Pr0 Amnesty" McCain. Brown's first few votes in the senate will will show his true colors.
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gsr| 1.29.10 @ 7:26AM
The 24/7 professional, Washington-based Latino Lobby is too powerful these days - power that has accumulated through the last 20 years of high immigration from south of the border, legal and illegal. There is strength in numbers. It's that simple. The Latino Lobby is influential and scares politicians. They want to move tens of millions more of Latino peasants into the USA, make it truly bi-lingual (which we already are de facto).
It will come down to what the vast majority of the American people want and I do believe there is realiable polling that shows roughly 60-70% of the American people want LEGAL immigration reduced and a higher percentage (around 80%) want tough, consistent enforcement of immigration laws and borders.
crookedwren| 1.29.10 @ 1:43PM
That Latin Lobby could also read Union Lobby and Democrats-Wanting-A-Whole-New-Group-In-Our-Voting-Pockets Lobby as well.
Remember that goal for Dems. has little to do with compassion and everything to do with CONTROL and POWER.
vanzorge| 1.31.10 @ 7:53AM
there are more patriotic law-abiding americans than there are "latino lobbyists". so let the "lobbyists" pay off the leftie dems, and the rest of us will sort that out and make the accounts straight on election day
FosterBDAV66| 2.24.10 @ 11:50AM
Ah, another idiot who thinks that Nationalism is the same as being patriotic.
Kettle, I've got Pot on the line, he says, "Black is Black".
Illegal immigrants do not get involved in politics in any meaningful way. And, like it or not, cabrone, the Latino community will out number the white communities within 40 years.
This same kind of thing has happened repeatedly in the USA. It happened with the Italians, Jews, Chinese, and many other groups. And all they have done is help to improve the USA over all.
Patriots question their government regardless of who is in the various offices and realize that their country is not "the greatest" but rather "a great country" with high points and low.
Nationalists think they are patriots, but have the twisted belief that "if only" had never happened, and believe that their country was, or still is, "the greatest".
Also, real patriots do not try to divide; rather, they seek common ground to bring their country together.
Rush Limbaugh (with his ranting ways) is not patriotic.
Change immigration laws in meaningful ways that will work for both sides. Go after the companies that hire the illegals and leave the illegals alone. If they can't find work they won't stick around.
And maybe we need an amendment to the Constitution to deny all Corporate bodies from having any say in politics at any level and to return to the old style where all major players got equal time in front of the cameras and the Debates were tough and unbiased.
I want change. Change that is real, and helps the USA become better. And trust me, bringing back manufacturing jobs is not going to help. Industrialization through robotics has seen to that. Only 10% of the jobs would return.
Herman King| 1.31.10 @ 9:08AM
But when will Americans say "enough is enough"?The Bush-Obama administration keeps showing us the finger, Switching back and forth between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum every four years hasn't worked.
chris pedersen| 1.31.10 @ 2:18PM
It's all about votes for POWER and how much they can drain out of the tresuary in entitlements.
See: fairtax.org for the complete solution to America's woe's. All of them!
steve| 1.29.10 @ 7:33AM
What is the argument here? every single alien "BROKE THE LAW!" Our Government, past & present, Republican & Democrat, have allowed the invasion of 20 to 30 million criminals and uneducated peons which is the largest invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means & in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution.
This refusal to abide by our Constitution or enforce our Immigration Laws should be classified as Treason of the most foul kind, & as grounds for impeachment & trials for Treason!
Not only have they allowed the invasion, they force American tax payers to pay Billions on Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders numerous children, and free medical care, at the same time the invading horde break numerous laws and massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Robin Harrison| 1.29.10 @ 3:58PM
Amen!!! Well said.
susieq | 1.29.10 @ 4:12PM
I am in full agreement with you. We are being over run with our government's blessing to fit into their plan to destabize out country and make Canada and Mexic and US one. Americans need to stand up and fight for their rights that are slowly disappearing. It's fast becoming a nightmare.
susieq
chris pedersen| 1.31.10 @ 2:24PM
susieq,
See: fairtax.org for another take on true freedom, like, Financial Freedom and please get on board!
susieq | 1.29.10 @ 4:12PM
I am in full agreement with you. We are being over run with our government's blessing to fit into their plan to destabize out country and make Canada and Mexic and US one. Americans need to stand up and fight for their rights that are slowly disappearing. It's fast becoming a nightmare.
susieq
chris pedersen| 1.31.10 @ 2:26PM
See: fairtax.org for another take on true freedom, like, Financial Freedom and please get on board!
susieq | 1.29.10 @ 4:12PM
I am in full agreement with you. We are being over run with our government's blessing to fit into their plan to destabize out country and make Canada and Mexic and US one. Americans need to stand up and fight for their rights that are slowly disappearing. It's fast becoming a nightmare.
susieq
Herman King| 1.31.10 @ 9:11AM
When they take our guns it'll be too late. Better act NOW.
EBurkeDisciple| 1.29.10 @ 5:25PM
AMEN!!!!! Secure the Boarder and send the those that broke the law home - at their expense.
EBurkeDisciple| 1.29.10 @ 5:25PM
AMEN!!!!! Secure the Boarder and send the those that broke the law home - at their expense.
Sam| 1.30.10 @ 1:38AM
Steve,
this last post is a joke. Nearly all illegal immigrants operate under the radar and do not " rob, rape, kill, or assault Americans." I'd like some statistics to back up the other stuff too. Because I don't think their costs outweigh their benefits- cheap labor to business. This also weakens the unions, another plus.
Tom| 1.30.10 @ 6:02AM
Sam,
There has been a lot of cost/benefit analysis regarding illegal aliens. Economically it is pretty much a wash, in aggregate. However, the benefits are reaped mainly by the upper income quintile and the costs by the lowest income quintile. Millions of unskilled illegal aliens depress the wages of unskilled Americans.
Beyond that are the hidden social costs of having an enormous underground economy. And the disruptive influence of large numbers of young men without the stabilizing influences of families. Why anyone thinks importing unskilled, uneducated workers from a barely functioning nation is a good thing for the country overall is beyond me. If unskilled workers are so wonderful let us stop educating our kids after 9th grade.
Tom
Alecto| 1.30.10 @ 9:01AM
Business, large and small reaps the benefits while allocating the costs to us. I'm sure you're familiar with the concept: privatize the benefits, socialize the costs which is exactly what large banks in this country also did. I suggest you visit CIS website for numerous studies, statistics and other interesting articles on immigration, both legal and illegal which are often unreported by MSM.
JEZZIKA| 1.30.10 @ 6:06PM
Gee, the Illegal Imagrant Mexicans do NOT operate under the frigin' radar here in LOS ANGELES... the do it RIGHT IN FRONT OF GOD AND EVERYBODY...and THUMB THEIR NOSE AT THE POWERLESS AMERICAN CITIZENS FOR NOT STOPPING THEM...
FOLLOW THE FRIGIN' MONEY.
VILLERAGOSSSSA, SANCTUARY CITIES,
BISHOP BALONY MAHONEY, DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE,
GANGS, DRUGS, POT FARMS, YES, AND MURDER, RAPES AND KILLINGS... TO SAY NOTHING OF RAVAGED SCHOOL SYSTEM, DO NOTHING POLICE BECAUSE OF LAME 'ORDER 40', MS13, CLOSED HOSPITALS, EMPTY PARKS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID, COSTS TO THE AMERICAN CITIZEN CALIFORNIA TAX PAYER TO THE TUNE OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, YEARLY, PLUS THEIR CHEAP LABOR... SENDS THEIR $$$ HOME TO MEXICO... AND...Not only have they allowed the invasion, they force American tax payers to pay Billions on Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders numerous children, and free medical care, at the same time the invading horde break numerous laws and massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens.
Kohl| 1.30.10 @ 9:36PM
For the most part, we Texans get along pretty good with our Mexicans, both citizens and illegals. Most Mexicans assimilate within one generation or go back to Mexico. They retain their pride but realize Texans have a machismo unto itself. Yes, you can get shot if found breaking into someone's home or car. You can be executed should you be found guilty of murder. And Mexicans enjoy these rights and penalties as much as non-Mexican Texans. So maybe California should stop crowing about their illegal Mexican problems and concentrate on their own self-made Californian woes. You people can't even make payroles for your essential services. Mexicans come to Texas to work. They go to California for government handouts. Good luck!
AuntieMadder| 1.31.10 @ 2:18PM
So, Steve, how many robbing, raping, killing and/or assaulting illegal immigrants does it take before we say "enough is enough" and finally decide to do something about it? If you ask those who've been victimized by illegal immigrants (or the survivors of those murdered by illegal immigrants), they'd surely say that that number was surpassed long ago.
AuntieMadder| 1.31.10 @ 2:19PM
Correction: The comment I left @ 2:18PM should have been addressed to Sam, not to Steve.
MichaelA| 2.7.10 @ 1:42PM
Right on. I don't care if they are Mexican, Swedish, English, Austrailan or from Mars; if they are here illegaly then they are criminals and must go home at the least. Period. Why can Hector and I get into a car wreck and both go to hospital and Medicaid pay is bill as an illegal alien, I have to figure out how to pay mine as an uninsured American? How is that right?
Ret. Marine| 1.29.10 @ 7:39AM
The old arguement of "we are all immigrants" is a false argument and I'm getting sick and tired of hearing it. . A study was made, I don't recall when, but the study would indicate 85% of the American population was born here in this country. I am also on the wagon pulling for the "cease all immigration" until we have a handle on those who are here to do no one any good, ms-13 and the drug trade trafficers as examples. I am not against legal immigration, I'm strongly against illegal immigration and those who bum-rush their way over our borders. It is a priveledge to be an American, not a right. You must have the ability to support yourself and your family, meaning something must come out of you to contribute to the spirit of being an American, we have enough parasites, leeches, and bottom feeders sucking the system dry at present. What happened to Lou Dobbs was a prime example of what influences of the worst sort are capable of in our times. This must stop. I am free to express myself in any manner deemed socially acceptable, but not to the point of running any man out of his job.
The cowards that attacked Mr. Dobb's resulting in loss employment and financial insecurity for him and his family have much in common with the same progressive wack-jobs who think our borders have no meaning. I disagree with their position. We have seen the mess made of our legal immigration since the Kennedy clan with their political influence in 1965, make no mistake about the end results, murder, drug trafficing, welfare fraud, earned tax credits to illegals, etc. The list goes on and on and on. Hell there is considerable doubts if this pretender-n-theif is an American. That is the extent of this problem with our immigration laws but, truth be told if they would just enforce our laws we would not see this issue constently being brought to the forefront. Now of course with a mulsim pretending to be an American in the Peoples house we are facing the possibility and actual results of many in the M/E immigrating here, with his blessings. Yeah like we need to import more terrorist to do this job that Americans are not willing to do.
martin j smith| 1.29.10 @ 7:48AM
When a potential candidate becomes an opportunist--forgetaboutut !!!!!
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 1.29.10 @ 8:31AM
The biggest balloon in the world can be destroyed by one pin prick.
Estoban| 1.29.10 @ 8:43AM
I do not believe that any elected officials can be trusted to set up a pathway to citizenship for 'worthy' illegal aliens. I suspect all of them are lying when I see their lips move. It is sad that Dobbs is contemplating jumping into the cesspool. As of now I say deport them all, jail all criminal employers and hardwire all elected officials to lie detectors.
Ron A & L | 1.29.10 @ 5:47PM
I believe the constitution is a document of declarationm a promise of the people to adhere to it's content. It is eassy to find compassionate reasons to ignore some of those covenants when you know someone personally, with a family and some time spent hereover the years. Just as a parent has rules that are designed to protect and secure the welfareof his orl her family, difficult decisions must be made. If the nicest man yu know shoots and kills someone, he must be turned over to appropriate authorities. Yes it is hard to make decisions involving the rights or lack if them of people, and it is devious to organize them into a group of people bent on ignoiring the Constitution of the United States, especially to do it for political reasons and voter fraud, which is what i believe is going on.
Neolibertarian| 1.29.10 @ 8:45AM
Dobbs made his fame by controversy; he simply was unfortunate to be standing on the wrong soapbox. Now he exists as simply another discarded media figure squawking in the dark for someone (anyone) to shine the light back on him so he can once again bask in the media glow.
Robin Harrison| 1.29.10 @ 4:02PM
I thought Dobbs was different and originally felt bad about his departure, but apparently he is just like all the other talking heads who just enjoy the spotlight waxing and waning with the popular topics.
NYC Ed| 1.29.10 @ 11:46AM
Our recent administrations must be the first in world history to attempt to replace their native population with people recruited from foreign nations. Also, if People of Color come to dominate this nation (as is supposed to happen by 2050), does anyone believe that the the white, Caucasian population will be allowed to live in peace?
Herman King| 1.31.10 @ 9:22AM
This country will eventually resemble the Escape From movies starring Snake Plissen. Time is getting short, act NOW!
Pete | 1.29.10 @ 12:11PM
If the government cannot protect its' own borders from floods of illegals flowing across (like every other sovereign country on earth) then what good is it?
Stephanie| 1.29.10 @ 1:24PM
NPR sucks.
chris in va| 1.29.10 @ 1:51PM
There is no contradiction for the Christian who believes in enforcing the law, while he teaches catechism in Spanish to illegal immigrants at the local parish, after feeding them in the free soup kitchen with beef from his farm.
The corporal work of mercy offers an opportunity to inquire with the illegals themselves regarding what is best for them. In the vast majority of cases, what is best for them is to be back home with their families united where they are all legal. The dangers and temptations that come with being illegal, causing broken families here and at home, are powerful.
For many illegal aliens, life in the US is like a prison. The Coyotes never end. Crime, threats, bribes - they all continue here. Going home - to their real home - their home country - is a blessing. Giving them amnesty here would only bring on another round of acrimonious debate regarding the tens of millions of their family members coming **here** to be reunited.
The Catholic Bishops who insist that amnesty is a "moral imperative" make me glad I am a Catholic: I know that terrible bishops with a private political agenda cannot destroy the Catholic Church.
Alecto| 1.30.10 @ 9:13AM
Oh Chris, how confused you are. Of course the private political agenda of the communists and pedophiles in the Catholic church haven't managed to destroy the doctrine. They just destroyed the moral authority with which the Catholic church used to speak. That is what happens when you ignore your Christian duty and take up the political mantle and the taxpayer funds to push your political agenda.
Illegal aliens (they aren't immigrants since that denotes tacit approval) undermine wages for the lowest economic strata of Americans. Anyone who advocates, encourages or supports illegal aliens is also starving, and throwing their American brothers and sisters into unemployment and a hopeless cycle of poverty. That, my friend, is immoral.
I admit I am not unbiased about the Catholic church as I was educated in their schools for 12 years and raised in that cult. I am not ignorant of the good the Catholic does but I am hopefully more enlightened now about the hunger for power and world domination the Catholic church represents and the need to keep poor people ignorant in order to maintain its position. I suggest you use the brain and reasoning abilities with which God endowed you and think for yourself. For the Catholic bishops who advocate for amnesty, this is a business decision, not a moral one.
Herman King| 1.31.10 @ 9:25AM
The Catholic Church threw in the towel with Vatican Two. It refuted its own bible.
Bob| 2.1.10 @ 12:10PM
Herman... Please don't confuse the Novus Ordo with the Roman Catholic Church. Those at the so-called Vatican II council, when they voted for those things that were against Catholic teaching, as understood by centuries of Tradition, excommunicated themselves and became a different church. What most people think is the Catholic Church is not. Call them the Novus Ordo Church, call them the Conciliar Church, call them the Modernist Church, but do not call them the Catholic Church. Now that that's settled...
Marilyn| 1.29.10 @ 2:11PM
I totally agree with Steve and Ret. Marine above. Did you know that tucked away in the healthcare bill is money alloted to the illegals for classier spanish as well as American for better jobs in the future?
Marilyn| 1.29.10 @ 2:22PM
Sorry, I meant to say classier speaking spanish as well as American language.
gearjammer| 1.29.10 @ 2:47PM
Pedro needs to keep his zipper up and Maria needs to keep her legs together. The propensity these folks have for hatching kids and not providing for them, and laying upon the rest of us the cost of these children being born out of wedlock is enormous. And, they are mostly Catholics, go figure. That church needs those tough, repressive nuns back on the job.My people came over in the early 20th century. Oh my, we were hardly saints. But, they did right by their kids, never took a dime of welfare, followed the law, served in the military, worked the private sector as independent business people, and helped out people in jam when they could. Their kids and grand kids pretty much the same. Though we do have a couple of school teachers, union types, and they suck. The first wave of us brought with them trades and tools and blue prints. Things America needed at that time. We were in the USA's self interest.So let's cut the glorifying and the crap about this current wave of " newcomers". Too many of them are a drag, an unbearable burden, and bring no natural qualities that allow them to seamlessly fit into the American Way of things. And, as for their nasty lefty interest group leaders-SHOW THEM AN IRON FIST. SMASH THE LEFT AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. They use these poor souls as pawns for the purpose of destroying America. Let it be know A NEW DAY IS DAWNING. THE AMERICAN RESTORATION IS COMING. MAKE IT CLEAR ON THIS ISSUE WE ARE UNCLE SAM-NOT UNCLE SAP !
nilo| 1.29.10 @ 3:18PM
Beck was right. The Marxist left (my view of them) is stepping on the gas and there had better be no one getting in their way concerning immigration or any other socialist agenda.......... including Lou Dobbs.
I don't see eye to eye with Mr. Dobbs on every matter, but I do think that his voice should be heard and considered. Believe it or not, this is still the land of free speech, at least for now. The left apparently fears him or they wouldn't turn on him. The right, I believe has more respect for him.
The Dobbs Doctrine on immigration doesn't forbid anyone from "legally" entering America snd working their way to citizenship. But the liars would have you believe that he doesn't want any immigration. I believe Lou, not them.
Jiggs| 1.29.10 @ 3:19PM
As long as legalized bribery in the form of campaign contribtions is allowed to exist and special interests and corporations are allowed to donate unlimited funds to the candidates any hope of a representative government is a myth.
Lou Dobbs is a perfect example of an honest person who was forced by the two party system to change his views in order to take advantage of this bribery scheme and to have any hope of winning an election.
S.L. Toddard| 1.29.10 @ 3:39PM
We need a moratorium on all immigration, period. If ever we regain a level of industry that requires an infusion of immigrants, we should favor the countries that are the most culturally similar to us (i.e. that will send immigrants who will assimilate most easily): the Anglosphere nations (U.K., Ireland, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc) first, followed by the nations of Northern and Western Europe and so on etc. Once we have exhausted the nations that share our Western heritage we should favor the more prosperous nations with higher-IQ populations. Peoples from low-IQ populations, from failure-cultures and from cultures historically antagonistic to the West (i.e. Muslim countries) should come last - or, really, not at all.
WA4RRN| 1.29.10 @ 7:19PM
Toddard...Your's is as shallow as I have read! "..prosperous nations with higher-IQ populations." Ya gotta B joking!!!
Paul137| 1.30.10 @ 12:54AM
The joke's on you, WA4RRN: http://vdare.com/sailer/060423_lynn.htm Read up, if you can read ... or ask someone to read it to you.
Matthew Bright| 1.29.10 @ 3:41PM
Yes, and if they could silence Josef Goebbels, they can silence you too. For they came for the Nazis and I said nothing. Then they came for the pedophiles and I said nothing. Then they came for American Spectator and I said nothing... Oy vey! And then they came for me. Boo hoo.
Wally Sandaber| 1.29.10 @ 3:51PM
The guy is no different from O'Reilly, Rush, Savage or Olberman. They are all converted shock jock DJs, who hit upon the very profitable strategy of making money by stoking American anger and hatred of "the other." The commenters here are clearly the perfect market for these charlatans. Why are you people so angry and resentful? Is the 21st century passing you by. Do you have some mythological notion that America was "better" in the 1950s? Are you simply racist? Try to stop the hate and focus on how to make this country better because ethnic diversity ain't going away.
S.L. Toddard| 1.29.10 @ 4:00PM
This is the sort of mindset that we would have to overcome in order to enact patriotic immigration reform.
Mr. Sandaber - we currently have somewhere near 20% under- and unemployed. There is no rational argument for why we should import MORE unskilled unemployed. In addition, we Americans do not look forward to the day when we are outnumbered by foreigners in our own country, for reasons that hardly need to be explained. Once we replace Americans with third worlders America will *be* a third world country, with all the corruption and poverty that implies. We do not relish that - the idea of America becoming a corrupt third-world sewer - in the same way Liberals do, because we do not despise America in the same way Liberals do, and we do not glorify third-world cesspools the way Liberals do.
America is a Western nation, and we would like to keep it that way. That is all.
Ken (Old Texican)| 1.29.10 @ 5:19PM
Hi Toddard.
...uh...we are NOT......a "western nation"!
We are unique.
We are armed.
Wally Sandaber| 1.29.10 @ 5:38PM
Toddard - Nothing I said conflicts with what you said. I am not talking about people who are concerned about the employment status of low income Americans. I am talking about those who demonize those who come here looking for work. Funny, you should mention third world and corruption as I worked in that field for several years. But what is not funny is that this country has become that model through no help of Chinese or Latin American immigrants. KBR-Halliburton-Cheney ring any bells. Tom Delay and Duke Cunningham ring any bells? The Republican party has institutionalized corruption at a national level that dwarfed any of the corruption problems that we had previously. And now that corporations can pump unlimited money into campaigns, the views of ordinary hard working Americans will become meaningless. So while you are concerned that some construction guy will bring illegal corruption tactics with him, it is the now legal corruption that is already here.
Paul137| 1.30.10 @ 1:05AM
Wally, there are certainly non-negligible corruptions and abuses in the American polity, but they are recognizably exceptions to or violations of the country's basic rule of law.
If you think that's not an important fact it's probably because, like most Americans, you've internalized it and come to take for granted that you'll get due process, be able to get justice in court if need be, etc.
But most of the world isn't like that and never has been, and that's what we'll lose if we become a third-world country. Likely you don't really grasp what I mean because it's foreign to your experience, so I urge you to read this brief article by Thomas Sowell http://home.hiwaay.net/~craigg.....ocracy.htm and this longer one by Charles Manion http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/manion7.html
Tom| 1.30.10 @ 12:57PM
"Funny, you should mention third world and corruption as I worked in that field for several years."
You worked in third world corruption?
The United States is relatively un-corrupt when compared to the rest of the world. The data is available and easy to digest. Sure, we could be more transparent but there is no comparasion between the US and the third world when it comes to corruption.
http://www.worldaudit.org/corruption.htm
http://www.transparency.org/po.....2009_table
Herman King| 1.31.10 @ 9:31AM
You're right about the Repugs. Unfortunately, the Obama administration is Bush on steroids.
MichaelA| 2.7.10 @ 1:50PM
I agree but unfortunately, I think we headed down the road to 3rd worldom when NAFTA was enacted and what I could never understand is that both Republican and Democrats were and still are for it. We shipped the middle class's jobs out of this country with nothing to replace them.
Angry Militia Commander| 1.31.10 @ 8:01AM
'who hit upon the very profitable strategy of making money by stoking American anger and hatred of "the other"
You can't be fricken serious. The Rush, Savages, O'Reilly, exclude Olberman, he's a self confessed marxist, are the only ones who speak of the truths of each subject they enter upon, not the feelings of diversity, hatred, and anger as you claim. I can tell just by the way you structured your sentence that you obvioulsy do not entertain or even listen to these Patriots one bit. You have put in fill display the talking points of Huff n' puff and the left wing drivel of many others. Since when does diversity ever ride our laws? It might be so with this current crop of rot you call your brethern, i.e. marxist, dumocrats, socialist and the likes, but it does not work well here at this conservative site, it reaks of idiots-r-us and you just exposed yourself as a troll at the highest levels.
"Try to stop the hate and focus on how to make this country better because ethnic diversity "ain't" going away". Yeah, as sure as you are a troll, you were edumicated in the pubic scrool system. Diversity is not at issue here, it's the laws you completly ignor, just as the current crop of rot in the gettoised black bayrak house. When you start to acknowledge our laws vrs. bayrak's interpataions of it you might just get a clue of what consist of hard-working tax payers and their concerns they are talking about with this diversity problem of bankrupt schools, hospital's, health care facilities, ect. Don't go away mad troll, just leave your ignorant rants at the idiots-r-us site where like minded fools go daily to make themselves feel superior over even your type.
Mabel Rockwell| 1.29.10 @ 4:05PM
California is broke, and I really believe it is because of the illegal alien situation. Also we are very low on water, and possibly this because of the illegals. The illegals receive free health care, various government help etc etc. I remember one time there was a day without illegals, and how nice it was to drive the freeways for a change. However, our assembly could care less.
MikeBee| 1.29.10 @ 8:13PM
Mabel,
I grew up in Southern California. California is broke, not so much because of the illegals, but because of far-left liberal ideas and values. The far left has run the state into the ground, and needs to be removed from power. The illegals strain the medicare and medical resources, absolutely. But the great state of California has itself to blame for voting far left liberals into power.
The water problem is also due to far left liberal environmental groups. Fearful that water from the Colorado River will run out, they have been working to restrict Californians' access to that river for many years, while also not allowing Californians to build desalination plants. Goodness sake! -- California has immense amounts of water available; it simply needs to be converted to potable water.
What will turn California around is voting in conservative candidates and voting out liberal candidates. Californians need to reject the ideas of environmentalists, whose policies are causing massive fire damage when the fires come, and are causing a shortage of water supply, and are causing everything to be too expensive out there.
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JayMar| 1.29.10 @ 7:04PM
As a former resident of the State of Northern Mexico (formerly known as Texas) and a 101% American from Spanish extraction (not a Hispanic-American, I don't like hyphenated citizens) I can speak against illegal immigration with first-hand knowledge. Supporters of illegal immigration are an unprincipled and pernicious bunch of bleeding hearts who allow the breaking of the laws of the land because it feels good. Sadly enough, they don't live in the states affected by this epidemic. Lou Dobbs, thank you for being our voice and soul.
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Kazman| 1.29.10 @ 10:10PM
I worked in the food industry where illegals were hired all the time. As a manager, I watched many qualified American citizens be turned down for jobs that were taken by non-citizens. One worker needed a job very bad and told me that he would take any job to take care of his family. His application and many other applications, not even looked at. This is an injustice to our country and its citizens. What kind of fool could support this. America and its citizens first.
Alecto| 1.30.10 @ 9:20AM
Very stiff fines for employers coupled with a tidal wave of tough enforcement will go a long way towards remedying that scene. I feel for that poor worker who would take any job to take care of his family. Americans who put their own greed and foreigners' interests and problems before the law and our own citizens and brothers and sisters deserve to lose everything.
Brian| 1.30.10 @ 12:48AM
Where is the Hospital issued Birth Certificate for Hussein?
Hay Hay, Ho Ho, Hussein Has Got to Go!
Can anyone support 3 more years of screwups?
NEVER RE-ELECT ANYONE!
Bob K.| 1.30.10 @ 2:46AM
I am from north east PA. It has always been a low wage area. People raised here who have brains and talent and ambition leave here as soon as they can. Third and Fourth generation trust funders stay here and control low wage businesses. They need these immigrants, legal or illegal, to exploit.
There is an aging population here. The Catholic Church is losing members. It needs these hispanics to exploit.
The moribund Unions need people like this to recruit.
There are wealthy hispanic caucasian Hispanics, descended unchanged for 5 or more generations from their origins in Spain who need these swarthy poor hispanics to exploit. Think Castro and other Central and South American leaders.
Think of all those pure white, caucasian, news casters with hispanic surnames you see on TV filling in diversity seats in front of the camera. Think of Gerald Rivers, now known as Geraldo Rivera.
Consider all those pure white caucasians with hispanic surnames who put themselves out as leaders in the swarthy immigrant hispanic community. They need these people to exploit!
Ever ask yourself why people of Portuguese background are not part of the preferred minorities? After all, they are from the Iberian peninsula.
Diversity is perversity!
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Yosemeti Sam| 1.30.10 @ 3:51AM
" ... Dobbs continued, “I have great respect for the people who make up the preponderance of the illegal alien population in our country, that is Mexican migrant workers.” ...."
Yeah - all 10, 15, 20 million cabbage pickers - right, Lou?
None aspiring to anything else as in mucho dinero
by any expedient manner - legal or otherwise.
They all come to America for back-breaking opportunities!
Thanks Lou - you silver/two-tongued pretender.
Send your resume to BHO.
I watched you on CNN. I heard your carouseled indignations about illegals and the existing problematic law enforcement/political challenges in dealing/coping with them. Run, for political office - right up your alley - where you
can dissemble with the best of them thar critters.
June| 1.30.10 @ 8:31AM
I was so disappointed in Lou Dobbs. I knew a few days before he left that something was up when he changed terms. He always called the lawbreakers "illegal aliens." He suddenly referred to them as "illegal immigrants." Then I saw him on Telemundo and he was groveling before Jorge Ramos who extracted his pound of flesh. I've never seen anyone do such a complete turnaround and then deny it. We will never rid this country of illegals until we have an administration who thinks more of its citizens that they do of the demands of foreign governments, big business and those who'v sold their souls for thirty pieces of silver.
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rjjrdq | 1.30.10 @ 11:16AM
Somebody fired shots at Dobbs' house recently. "They" know where he lives. Just speculating, but that could have something to do with his "conversion".
M Btok| 1.30.10 @ 11:57AM
Mr. Dobbs,
You need to be running in the election as an Independent, under a leader of the Constitution we have only a few good candidates and I believe as a Constitutionalist you would fair well if you followed the Constitution to a T!
The other good candidates out there so far are: Ron Paul, Debra Medina, Rand Paul, possibly Judge Napolitano should he decide to run and those in their particular categories are the only one's that I'd vote for at this point!
RWinks| 1.31.10 @ 10:54AM
The only purpose in Dobbs running for President would be to re-elect BHO. Anyone who would vote 3rd party must like the Marxist in chief.
Straight goods| 1.30.10 @ 3:12PM
There's one good reason why illegal immigrants will keep coming and that is because America business that employs them can't remain viable if it needs to pay decent wages. Those being as little as the minimum. America is financially bankrupt as well as morally bandrupt. Not to mention that it's standard of living has declined to lower than all the other rich industrialized countries. Sick nutbars like Lou Dobbs has hastened the fall.
Jezzika| 1.30.10 @ 6:14PM
If LOU DOBS IS CHANGING HIS TUNE AND GOING SQUISSHEE ON ILLEGAL ALIENS... WELL, I' GOING SQUISSHEE ON LOU DOBBS.
WE NEED MORE PRINCIPALED "MEN" AROUND HERE. WHO "WILL" STAND UP FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND ENFORCE IT.
SO LONG, LOU.
L. Crosby| 1.30.10 @ 6:20PM
Every state in the union should pass laws that take e-verification out of the hands of all employers. All states should create state agencies whose job is to e-verify every present and prospective employee, including state, county and city employees. Employers would be told by the state whether or not present and prospective employees have the right to work in each respective state. Every politician, regardless of party affilliation, that stands against this type of protection for America and Americans should be resounding denounced and forced from public office, never to return again.
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Anthony| 1.30.10 @ 7:25PM
Interesting comment from NPR about Mr. Dobbs and his "inflammatory comments". NPR and Public Television no longer feel the need to engage in their long standing charade of objectivity, despite being financed by ALL of our tax dollars. Classic leftist scam, our money, their hegemony.
The Left has so corrupted our entire system, that I can't see any way we can take our country back, short of Ken (Old Texan's) admonition. But MA has given us hope. Or should I say, MA has given the Left a final reason to pause in its insanity before it's too late. Their choice, their river Rubicon. We'll be on the other side, waiting.
gm| 1.31.10 @ 2:36AM
Lou: Your political career is toast now. You have alienated your constituencies. Out of control immigration and an illegal president are two big issues you were addressing and have pathetically and mystetriously caved in on, almost overnight. You have zero credibility now. You're done. Go back to Jersey.
RWinks| 1.31.10 @ 10:58AM
No mystery to it. If he runs for President, it'll show he was bought off by BHO.
Delaware Bob| 1.31.10 @ 7:45AM
Illegal aliens are destroying this Country, and one would have to be almost blind not to see this. How much longer do we have to support these illegal aliens? How much longer do we have to school their illegal alien children? How much longer are we going to let them have our jobs? How much longer are we going to put up with all the crime, stolen identities, forged documents, fake green cards? How much longer are we going to allow these illegal aliens to send money out of this Country and bring our Country down? Oh, amnesty will correct all this. WRONG! Nothing will change except we wouldn't be able to call them illegal aliens any more. Let's get rid of these illegal aliens! Let's get them back to their own Country where they belong!
You say, “No American wants to pick radishes, lettuce, apples or fruit”, and we need these illegal aliens to keep the cost of our food down. Perhaps I would agree, but let’s hire them LEGALLY! I would not deny any farmer the right or privilege to hire migrant workers, if indeed they could not get an American to do the job, but let the farmers apply for them. That way, when an migrant worker enters this Country, he (she) will enter this country with a valid VISA and guest worker card. They will come and do the work. When the work is done, they will return back to their own Country. They WILL NOT remain in this country and take advantage of our social services and natural resources. Those are reserved for American citizens!
Do you have a problem with that?
vanzorge| 1.31.10 @ 7:57AM
if dobbs drinks the 'amnesty pathway-to-citizenship kool aid" his candidacy is sunk before it even leaves the dock.
Jim | 1.31.10 @ 9:18AM
I live in agriculture country. For the most part, jobs that were done by teenagers in the past are done by illegal Mexican immigrants. Milking cows, tasseling corn, trimming and harvesting Christmas trees --- all the labor that kids used to do -- have been turned over to Paco and Juan while those teenagers sit at home eating junk food and playing video games.
Business owners and farmers who'd rather pay minimum wage than try to pry the kids out of the couch or do the work themselves provide the jobs that attract the aliens.
Do the math.
BOOMer| 2.1.10 @ 2:20AM
You forgot to mention, those kids are the sons and daughters of those farmers, who think being "American" has some entitlement - the False American Dream.
I think parents should start being parents again, and kick the shit out of those fat slobs who are hooked on American Idol and X-Box.
pacer| 1.31.10 @ 9:34AM
In 2009 Pennsylvania has 424,000 of our own legal children in poverty. That is 15.4 percent of all the children in Pennsylvania. Over governor “Fast Eddy” Rendell’s little city of Philadelphia gave free child birth delivery to a minim of 1,800 undocumented women in the twelve short months of 2008. In the later part of 2007 the lowest estimate for the amount of illegal aliens in the state was 2.1 million. At present the lowest estimate would be 3.8 million illegal border jumpers. Over 60 percent of all illegal aliens are high school drop outs. The amount of children who are/will is eligible for (SCHIP) States Children Health Insurance Program is staggering. Not including the estimated 3.8 million undocumented in Pa. there are 1,211,000 legal Pennsylvanian citizens without health insurance. As a life long Catholic, I know for a fact many of us stopped paying our church dues which are used to advocate for illegal border jumper swine. Here in Pennsylvania over half our Catholic Churches and schools have closed for good, and the only ones thriving are the clans of illegal aliens packed into rental properties all throughout the State (which is also very broke & corrupt). If you are an American tax payer, thanks to Liberals needing votes, it is not politically correct to use tax payers’ money to the advantage of the actual tax payer. Our taxes are used to support this “poor minority” of high school drop out illegal trash! And the devil bedamned the life long law abiding homeowner’s living next door to the trash destroying our property value and neighborhoods. Here is one Catholic priest who is actually for us poorer hardworking legal citizens.
Father Bascio on the immorality of illegal immigration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMaNa1K8lJo
RWinks| 1.31.10 @ 11:08AM
Honest post, Pacer. At the same time the nation is being driven into 3rd world status, The NYtimes was berating Bush because low income jobs had stagnant or declining wages. They never seemed able to make the connection with the flood of low-skilled illegals coming in.
Tom| 1.31.10 @ 12:54PM
3.8 million illegal aliens in PA? Where did you find that number? Most data I have seen has the number well below 200,000.
André Kenji de Sousa| 1.31.10 @ 11:27AM
CNN is not only an American channel, but an international channel. More people watch it outside than inside it. I think that for CNN to have an anchor that they can´t show in their international simulcasts is bad business.
And it´s also very difficult to immigrate legally to the US. And that´s the problem, precisely because middle class people don´t take this kind of risk.
Anonymous| 1.31.10 @ 3:18PM
That's good it is so difficult to legally come here. For one thing, a Harvard study showed that diversity is not good for communities.
Besides, if Canada has such great health care, why don't the immigrants go there - or Costa Rico - or the many other places on the globe where they MIGHT be welcome?
Jack Kinch(1uncle)| 1.31.10 @ 2:03PM
Our national debt is horrendous. We cannot afford the high cost of crime and welfare. No more aliens. No more breeding on welfare.
BOOMer| 2.1.10 @ 2:15AM
No more breeding on welfare. ?? Then send all the white trash back to Europe. :P
The immigrants and yes illegals are here to work.
Anonymous| 1.31.10 @ 3:06PM
For me, it all comes down to this. I won't buy property in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood. I was interested at one point (rental investment) and an American Hispanic emphatically said not to do it. She also said not to go to Mexico for a vacation - she said to go to Hawaii.
Why should we import people who are not respected by their own. Oh yes, the Washington, DC lobbying types are all for their own. That's because they don't live next door to them. Our own poor must live next door.
To protect our own poor (all races) we MUST get rid of these often drug-smuggling immigrants. They are the reason we have so many needing drug-rehab on Medicaid, so many incarcerated and ....our schools ---- it is sickening how many we are supporting - school lunches, breakfast and even after-school snacks.
Don't get me started.
Lloyd Revalee| 1.31.10 @ 3:31PM
WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT!!! So,why do we not get things done in the way we want. When someone says "lets act now before they take our guns away", who are they talking about. Who on earth can take our guns, if we don't let them. Do we just give up like a bunch of sheep, and let a few radical Muslim, communistic, groups taker over OUR goverment? The ones we have selected to make laws that will protect our freedom are not doing so. They are too busy helping every one else in the world, they have no time for their own people. And we keep electing them. Wake up America (USA); defend what our forefathers have given us, and our fathers have fought and died for. Remember, every one of the originators of our form of government risked their very lives to carry it out. Are we too chicken to do the same.
Tom| 1.31.10 @ 4:04PM
Nancy Pelosi wants to legalize 1 million illegals! She wants the votes! Why can't they go through the proper channels?
Amwiser| 1.31.10 @ 10:00PM
If the country were a business I would say that there is no good business reason for amnesty or even continuing with immigration legally. This country has a problem as a going concern right now and with the liberals taking care of every citizen in the land right now we can't afford to let any more in. (National security aside)
Amwiser| 1.31.10 @ 10:02PM
Oh, and another thing -- SO WHAT if we have a negative rate of population growth -- we can't sustain what we have now - so let it slide!
Jerry Springer (no joke) | 2.1.10 @ 2:06AM
Say look here guys who think illegals cost jobs & money.
There is about 15 million illegals, using a social security number that does not match the name.
So, because they need a Social Security number to work in the USA, even if it's not theirs (hense the SSN Verification system used by "some employers), they do pay taxes just like everyone else.
Here is the catch, average tax refund is about $1,000 to $1,500 per year, and because the SSN does not match the name, the money never gets sent out.
So the Social Security dept. hold back 15 billion a year paid by illegals.
Besides, I would rather have a "catholic" illegal vs. muslim students here in the USA legal on a student visa, then flys 2 planes in the World Trade Centre.
Bobc| 2.1.10 @ 10:23AM
We have laws, enforce them! Illegals should never receive S.S., or any other entitlement programs, it's time their home countries stand up and use their resources, to help their own people!
Go to www.voiac.org and see just how many of our own citizens have been made victims of illegal aliens!
It's appalling to me that our politicians continue to over look this, and keep pandering to illegals!
Charles| 2.1.10 @ 1:41PM
When you look at the modern world you find that everywhere that England was the colonial power they live by that basic English law and prosper. Living by the law is what ensures that this prosperity will continue.
When you look at the countries with Spanish background you see gross political corruption and the people suffer.
When the illegals Break our law to get the goodies that obeying the law brings to the people this is a fundamental contradiction. you don't see U. S. citizens sneaking into the Philippines or Mexico seeking freedom.
loupgarous| 2.1.10 @ 2:15PM
Just spotted - a new species, the illegalalienasssucker dobbsii
Dennis| 2.1.10 @ 5:46PM
OMG! Don't tell me that Lou is going wobbly on us! We've already got enough "conservatives" who've turned "moderate" (David Frum comes to mind), apparently wanting to curry the favor of the elites....say it ain't so Lou.
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garydeeb| 3.2.10 @ 1:43AM
Lou Dobbs is and always has been an intellectually dishonest reporter and commentator. His only desires are to gather as much attention as possible and to boost his own popularity and influence. His current toe-dip into the prospect of high public office would be hilarious if it weren't so emblematic of our society's frightening tendency to attribute gravitas to the most unaccomplished and treacherous among us, the current occupant of our White House being the most alarming example.
Thankfully, it appears that Lou has chosen the wrong moment to shed his super-conservative costume and launch himself as an immigration centrist. His timing always has been pretty weak. This time it's probably fatal.
GARY DEEB
Matthews, N.C.
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