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Poverty Does Not Cause Terrorism

By Andrew Cline on 1.7.10 @ 6:08AM

The canard that "crushing" poverty does cause it just won't die.

The canard that poverty causes terrorism just won't die. It was one thing when Nation writer David Corn and others connected the two back in 2002. The liberal default position is that poverty causes crime. It was an instant knee-jerk reaction after 9/11. But by now we all ought to know better. Except, the theory is still being peddled despite the lack of evidence to support it.

On Monday the Times of London, citing analysts, reported: "'Orchard of fighters' grows out of poverty and mistrust in Yemen."

Last week, President Obama said of the Christmas bomber, "We know that he traveled to Yemen, a country grappling with crushing poverty and deadly insurgencies."

Yemen's crushing poverty? Abdul Mutallab isn't even Yemeni; he is Nigerian, and an affluent one, at that. Apparently, the president is suggesting that poor, unsuspecting Abdul Mutallab wound up in Yemen and was radicalized by Muslims there who were themselves radicalized by Yemen's "crushing poverty." Why mention it if that is not the general theory he is putting forth?

Yet there is a little problem with that theory. According to the World Bank, Zimbabwe is 11 times poorer than Yemen. Yet no Zimbabwean national has been caught trying to blow up U.S. airliners. There's a simple reason for that. Less than 1 percent of the population of Zimbabwe is Muslim.

Despite Zimbabwe's crushing poverty, al Qaeda has almost no one to radicalize and recruit there. In Yemen, an almost entirely Muslim nation, al Qaeda's pickings are easier.

The terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 and continue to do so today are not the radical poor. They're radical Muslims.

Consider this list of known al-Qaeda terrorists, and find what links all of them:

• Kahlid Sheikh Mohammed was a mechanical engineer

• Mohammed Atta grew up in a middle class household; his father was an attorney.

• Ramzi Binalshibh was a bank clerk.

• Mohammed Atef was an Egyptian police officer.

• Marwan al-Shehhi was a soldier studying in Germany on an Army scholarship.

• Ziad Jarrah came from a wealthy Lebanese family and attended private, Christian schools.

• Abdulaziz Alomari graduated with honors from his Saudi high school and went on to graduate from college.

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Andrew Cline is editorial page editor of the New Hampshire Union Leader. His Twitter ID is Drewhampshire.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (66) | Leave a comment

Alan Brooks| 1.7.10 @ 7:59AM

Good piece.
Evolutionary biology has revealed the underpinnings of our lives to be based on violence; not even poverty, really. Poverty is as nothing to the overwhelming urge to harm others-- at least in males.
Thousands upon thousands of WMDs prove we are no less predatory, no less dangerous to ourselves and others, as humans of eons ago.

Grzmlyk| 1.7.10 @ 10:29AM

Yup.

Human nature does not change - particularly since Homo Sapiens emerged, what, 200,000 years ago? Civilization has existed for, what, 10,000 years? The "first" industrial revolution - which gave rise to a thriving middle class and the lazy opulence even America's poorest enjoy today, occurred what, 250 years ago?

Liberals are fools for myriad reasons - but perhaps number one is that they think that human nature can be changed by fiat of government coercion ("we're going to force you not to force other people to be forced by force").

This is hubris at best and insanity at worst.

It took evolution billions of years to form bipeds. Yet in an evolutionary nanosecond we are expected to come up with human nature 2.0?

Hey, I'd love to repeal the second law of thermodynamics. I really, really would. Then I wouldn't be pestered with aging, which, after all, is terribly, terribly unfair.

Why won't congress move to repeal THAT law? I demand an investigation.

Liberal Reader| 1.7.10 @ 5:02PM

"Human nature" is more often than not a phrase people use to describe something they'd rather not do the work of thinking about.

How do you define "human nature"? If it's so unchangeable, you'd think someone would have been able to come up with a ready, one sentence-long description of it by now.

Ret. Marine| 1.7.10 @ 8:14AM

I don't care what the cause is nor do I sucribe to the facts of said leftis mental dispositions. I can say through experience that islam is violence to it's core and there sure as hell is no such person as a moderate muslim. It, much like the mantra of the left, has excusses galore but does nothing to change this simple fact. Ideological, social, religious way of life to it's most extreme adherents.
Paint a picture of a bomb, a person, and a crowd, what do these things have in common, muslims. We as a Nation would do ourselves justice if we deported anyone who prefers this type of lifestyle, once completed, warn the presidence's friends of the other 57 states if they send another jihad junkie towards us, we send cruise missles towards them, end of threat.

S.L. Toddard| 1.10.10 @ 3:52PM

"Paint a picture of a bomb, a person, and a crowd, what do these things have in common"

Irishmen (IRA)? Zionists (King David Hotel)? Or are you talking more about something like this?

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/W.....n.bombing/

Bob| 1.7.10 @ 10:56AM

We should promote atheism as no atheist believes in life after death, and as such, would never become a suicide bomber...

There are terrorists from all religions -- whether they terrorize a country or an abortion clinic/doctor.

But of course, according to all of you, the crime rate in South Central or Detroit has nothing to do with the fact that people are on the street because they can't find good paying jobs.... Naah.....

Grzmlyk| 1.7.10 @ 11:23AM

Cracker Jack thinking as usual, Bob.

I forget: What's the ratio of mulsim terrorists to abortion clinic bombers again?

Margie| 1.7.10 @ 6:30PM

Yeah, promote Atheism.. that's the ticket!

After all, it worked so well in your own life, right Bob? Now tell us truly.. is that the reason you told me that you decided to send your children to Catholic school? :)

Truth to Power| 1.7.10 @ 11:08AM

Atheists murdered 100 million people last century. What kind of idiot doesn't know that? A very stupid troll.

grzmlyk| 1.7.10 @ 11:33AM

I think Bob will tell you they weren't murdered; they were retroactively aborted.

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.7.10 @ 12:19PM

Truth, Grz,

Those were funny! Thank you both.

Honestly, Bob is too stupid to be a troll. He darned sure is too stupid to be paid properly by Mr. Soros.

The question that remains in my mind: how could someone this stupid bear to show his stupidity so often in an adult conversation?
whew!

Bob| 1.7.10 @ 12:25PM

So Tex, when you are exposed as a coward and a liar, you make ad hominem attacks? I wouldn't have expected more. By the way, when are we meeting? Have your computer experts exposed me yet???

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.7.10 @ 7:21PM

Yep. I gotcha, Bob.
Name a place and time.

Bob| 1.7.10 @ 12:14PM

So how many people were killed in the Crusades? Hmmm... But if you could read, you'd see I said that atheists would not be SUICIDE BOMBERS!!!!! And by the way, Hitler claimed he was Catholic...... and skinheads today consider themselves Christian...

Yes, you are a very stupid Christian....

But you still haven't said you would have supported Brit Hume if he told Tiger he should covert to Islam....

Grzmlyk| 1.7.10 @ 12:39PM

Well, maybe if the Muslims hadn't conquered Christian territory, taking Jerusalem and killing 3,000 Christians as the seminal catalyst in 1065, the Crusades wouldn't have happened.

You still haven't told me the ratio of Muslim terrorists to abortion clinic bombers.

Surely you can locate the number. You know, with your advanced intelligence.

Truth to Power| 1.7.10 @ 3:01PM

"So how many people were killed in the Crusades? Hmmm... "

What an idiot. Nothing compares with atheists in the 20th century except what Muslims did in the conquest of India. By the way I wasn't including Hitler in the 100 million. These were communist murders. Hitler was a Catholic is just more 3/5 Bob stupidity. What Hitler said trying to get elected doesn't interest me. The anti-Christian rhetoric of fascists (they sound a lot like Bob actually including the gay emphasis) is a lot more of an indication of how they thought. You can't make up 3/5 Bob's kind of stupid. He doesn't seem to have even a good high school education.

"But you still haven't said you would have supported Brit Hume if he told Tiger he should covert to Islam.... "

I think Mr. Hume gave good advice the way he gave it.

Grzmlyk| 1.7.10 @ 3:42PM

Hitler was RAISED Catholic; you'd be hard-pressed to find extensive support for Catholocism per se from him after 1933. As I'm sure bob knows, Hitler was born in primarily Catholic Austria-Hungary; most of Prussian Germany was Lutheran; it was to Hitler's advantage in many ways to decouple the citizenry from the traditional tenets of Christianity.

In fact, one of Austria's most prominent early proponents of the Nazis was the Catholic Cardinal Innitzer, who defied the official Vatican stand - which was in opposition to the Nazis.

Yet, after the Anschluss, the Vatican forced Innitzer to heel and he stated that there was only one Fuherer: Jesus Christ. After that statement, Hitler closed parish schools, confiscated church lands, silenced Catholic opposition and his goons destroyed Innizter's residence. But of course according to Bob Hitler was a good Catholic.

Not only that, but Stalin was raised in the Russian Orthodox church; Mao was raised a Buddhist.

That doesn't take away from the fact that Hitler and his fellow travelers greatly admired the atheist Nietzsche. The Third Reich eventually morphed into a cult that worshipped a sort of half-assed Paganism and the USSR and Red China were distinctly atheist.

I love Bob's email address - factual.conservative. Very amusing since he is neither.

But I'm sure he's built a very, very impressive shrine to himself. Perhaps he and toddard worship at each other's altars: "Mondays we go to your basement, Tuesdays we go to mine" and so on.

Truth to Power| 1.7.10 @ 4:52PM

Great information.

Bob is very funny when he gets rattled. The insistence on being called a conservative because he wants Republicans to be tax collectors for Democratic corruption is very amusing. What Democrat would not like this vision of a Republican? With regard to fact, Bob is very challenged. In a strange way I find him very encouraging. I really don't like to see somebody so mired in hate but he can't seem to help himself.

Margie| 1.7.10 @ 6:35PM

Atheists wouldn't be suicide bombers? But wait! But wait! They are Atheists. What you say? Yes indeed.. since Allah is is a "phony baloney plastic banana good time rock n' roller", (to quote Rushie) in other words a false god who promises well you know.. upon the murdering of innocents and not the the true God.
I'd call them Atheists.

Sam| 1.7.10 @ 9:33PM

Margie,
Let's not call him 'Rushie' like he's a cute, cuddly little fellow. Also, let's not quote him when he spreads lies about Islam. 'Allah' is just another name for the 'true God' that you worship.

Do me a favor and do a little research on what Islam really is. No, Fox News doesn't count. In fact, don't use ANY media source because the media will just show what sells airtime. And right now, Islamic EXTREMISTS and JIHADISTS sell airtime.

You may have lived for longer than me, but I challenge you to open your mind and your heart, as your faith requests.

Margie| 1.7.10 @ 10:08PM

Sam,
I quoted Rush's saying "good time plastic banana rock n' roller" (and it is in quotes). Not the rest. That is me speaking. You are so quick to find fault.

As for calling him Rushie, I do so affectionately.. sorry you don't like it. (well not really).

As for the true God.. no, He doesn't advocate murder, so they are not worshipping Him. So you're wrong.

Study? Sam, you ought to read the koran if you don't already know what it promotes. But I wouldn't waste my time. I think you ought to study the Bible to find out what God says, especially because you seem to think He is the same God that the terrorists look to.

As for my faith? The Bible tells me (that is my source) to have the mind of Christ and to keep my heart hoping in Him. And since He's never failed me yet, I think I'll stay right there, thank you very much.

Oldefarte| 1.7.10 @ 11:40AM

There is a societal link between poverty and crime, BUT the root CAUSE of the link rests with those in poverty, not society at large. The latter are usually involved in a lack of traditional family structure, with little or no discipline, educational encouragement, religious attendance,etc naturally results in an involvement in crime. This is NOT society's fault, as is politically proclaimed by liberals and Democrats. It is a fault of the parents and relatives of the criminal for not performing adequately their duties as such. A child born into such an environment, with little or no proper instructions/guidance from its immediate family/relatives, innocently has no where else to turn for support that to the thugs and criminals that are daily associations. It's simply BRAINWASHING!!!!!!!!!

Margie| 1.7.10 @ 6:37PM

True indeed. Nowhere to turn unless God intervenes.. or some kind soul to guide them.

onnally| 1.7.10 @ 12:12PM

Gay!!!!1

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.7.10 @ 12:24PM

Guys, (and my dear friend Margie),

I have written it here before, but it bears repeating.

Every serious study indicates that abused children are likely to continue that cycle of abuse on their own children...and on and on and on. Most of the world is made up of abused children.
Simple huh?

Bob| 1.7.10 @ 12:26PM

So that's what happened to you.... Did you learn that from your shrink?

Margie| 1.7.10 @ 6:25PM

Rats. I missed this thread today.. someone should have called me, ha! I was too busy trying to tell Bob the truth over yonder in another thread. Now I am spent so to speak. And my browser is giving me trouble.. keep not being able to post. Shut down, re-boot etc. waste of time!
I love you guys. Ken, Grz., Olde Farte, Truth.

John II| 1.7.10 @ 10:34PM

Hey Marge--don't forget me!

Margie| 1.7.10 @ 10:39PM

John II~~ You know I love you. You guys are great.

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.7.10 @ 12:39PM

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.7.10 @ 12:19PM
Truth, Grz,

Those were funny! Thank you both.

Honestly, Bob is too stupid to be a troll. He darned sure is too stupid to be paid properly by Mr. Soros.

The question that remains in my mind: how could someone this stupid bear to show his stupidity so often in an adult conversation?
whew
(No Bob, I am a shrink...but not in practice since '73. I got hired as CEO of a fortune company to turn it around......the great employees were being abused. I just managed by "wandering around" and respecting my people. We doubled revenue and profits each year for five years.)

Truth to Power| 1.7.10 @ 3:51PM

Ken,

I don't think a troll is that bright. There is something stupid about just their existence anyway. They waste their own time accomplishing nothing. I do believe Bob is a particularly dumb troll and that is saying something. If I had to guess, he is a Log Cabin Republican troll but that that is just a guess based on his use of gay jargon, his Christian hatred and his over concerns about gay marriage.

Bob| 1.7.10 @ 12:51PM

So, Tex, now you are a shrink? I thought you were in insurance.... Hmmmm... Which Fortune company did you turn around? Was it part of the Fortune 100,000???? If you are that famous, please tell us who you are... or are you too cowardly to do so? Are you afraid we might check your stories? Hmmm....

Given your posts, it is hard to believe any Fortune rated company would hire you.... Prove it....

Bob| 1.7.10 @ 12:52PM

Oh, if you don't want the world to know, you can email me at factual.conservative@gmail.com....

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.7.10 @ 7:38PM

Bob, I would not trust you for a minute to keep it confidential.
My name is kenneth Bean. I am all over the internet. check it out. If you expose it you will have crippled thousands of children. Let's just see how you spell "honor".

John II| 1.7.10 @ 10:37PM

Whoa. Any relation to the great Judge Roy Bean? So! THAT's why I like you so much, Ken.

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.8.10 @ 12:21PM

Hi John II
Well...our family won't claim him...(darned family Bible).

Flee| 1.7.10 @ 3:15PM

I think a state in poverty may be ripe for terrorists because they have less ability to enforce the rule of law. It is clearly not the poor that are inclined to terror or crime in general. It is the lack of law that enables the educated and comfortable terrorists to pervade the underdeveloped countries. Someday I wish a politician would have the balls to say it rather than throwing $ at a poor country and hoping to change the lawlessness. It works so well in the slums of our own country.

Liberal Reader| 1.7.10 @ 4:57PM

The notion that poverty directly causes terrorism is, of course, silly, and too many have allowed themselves that false and easy reductivism.

Fascinatingly, one of the few traits that can be found in most terrorists is this: adolescence. While terrorists -- suicide bombers especially -- are sometimes well into their twenties when they actually murder others, it's generally found they were first captivated by radical ideologies in their mid to late teens.

The central experience that seems to unite them is one of humiliation rather than poverty. Poverty may be a sufficient condition, but it is most certainly not necessary. Humiliation is.

Muslims the world over are humiliated by brutally repressive regimes. This is one area where President Bush was spot on: democracy in the Islamic world will decrease terrorism.

Ken (Old Texican)| 1.7.10 @ 5:42PM

Ladies and gentlemen,
Please watch this youtube video.
Thank you all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtjfMjjce2Y

Margie| 1.7.10 @ 10:52PM

It was a great video of Newt.. but I can't help to think.. what in tarnation ever happened to him? He is BRILLIANT but what ever happened to him... why oh why did he have to go away?
Now everyone's clamoring for a Third party because of how they are so let down by Republicans.. I know that isn't the answer and instead of uniting us for a WIN in 2012 it will just split the vote and cause Obama II.
Please people.. vote conservatives in the Republican party. Start in 2010 elections~ Even Sarah Palin doesn't advocate a Third party. She's working with the Tea Parties to help us out. We can stick it to the Rockefeller Repubs by voting them out. Out with the old in with the new.
The voting booth is where we make the change!

Pat Spooner| 1.7.10 @ 7:09PM

Old Texican , what a great video. Everything he says is true and must be done! Thanks for recommending it and hopefully more readers will watch it.

explosion proof light| 11.25.10 @ 1:19AM

If freedom has a natural home in the modern world, therefore, it is the nation-state.

ARealist| 1.7.10 @ 7:58PM

Some facts, not opinion.
Hitler was an atheist as were all the Nazi leaders. They abhorred christianity and of course jews.
When asked why the Nazis persecuted the Jews, a key Nazi leader (I forget his name) stated, "because it was the Jews who gave birth to Christianity."

Further, Hitler stated that there was no point for his govt. to actively persecute Christians, because his policies would would cause Christianity to whither away of its own accord.

When the Nazi's took power, one of the first things they did was to imprison many members of the Christian clergy - Catholic and Protestant. Because religion in Germany - at that time - was a "conservative" institution and expected its members to maintain "traditional" values, the Nazis saw Christianity as an impediment to their notion of "social change."

Like all socialists, Hitler and his bunch hated religion because it stood in the way of "re-ordering" society. This is also why communists also destroy all religious intitutions as soon as they can, and is why Marx - a baptized Protestant of Jewish heritage - called religion the "opiate of the people.
Hitler, like communists, insist that society worship the state and its leaders; the state is the new religion and its leaders are the new GOD.

By the way, the largest Muslim nation on earth is Malaysia. You will note that, to the best of my knowledge - no terrorists have come from that land, or from the several other Asian Muslim countries. .
You will also note that 99% of the terrorists are Arabs, or have been brain-washed by the Arab Wahabi nut jobs. Consistent with their tribal culture and values, they have taken the Muslim religion and turned it into a new Nazism or Bolshevikism.

Margie| 1.7.10 @ 11:03PM

Good post. Have you ever read the book "Marx and Satan" by Rev. Richard Wurmbrand? Or any of his books? Like Torured for Christ?
check out www.persecution.com/
I learned everything I ever needed to know about the mind of the Devil and his minions from his books. Also how to love God. His books are filled with beautiful stories about his 14 years in Communist prisons. He was tortured horribly, but he doesn't get into that as much as how close he got to Jesus while there. I highly recommend his books for anyone who has a thirst for information on Communism, fascism, etc. but most of all to see the deep love between man and God.

Truth to Power| 1.8.10 @ 12:03AM

I believe that you will find that there are Malaysian terrorists. Indonesia has received the brunt of these bombings. When your book is the Koran, there is going to be murder. Love your brother as yourself is not part of the deal.

ARealist| 1.7.10 @ 8:02PM

By the way, just check out all the crimes that NFL and NBA players wind up committing. All these guys are multi-millionaires, and all are blacks.
Also, do not forget Mike Tyson - a millionaire at the time - who was arrested several times and was sent to prison.
So, it's clear that having millions of dollars also causes crime.

Liberal Reader| 1.7.10 @ 11:45PM

ARealist --
You make some brilliant arguments. An NBA player committed a crime. Therefore, all millionaires who are black are criminals. No Muslim terrorists come from Greenland; therefore, ice cream melts too fast. Hitler was a fascist. Therefore, he was a communist. Communists are like socialists. Socialists are like Democrats. Therefore, Democrats are Nazis.

Margie| 1.8.10 @ 12:07AM

"Hitler was a fascist. Therefore, he was a communist. Communists are like socialists. Socialists are like Democrats. Therefore, Democrats are Nazis."

Pretty close. They are different regimes, all motivated by power and control over people, anti-religious, Godless creeps. And the fascist Obama regime is doing that very thing now, and you know it. How does it feel to be on the side of the Enemy of freedom?
Oh never mind, I already know!

Supra Vaider| 1.7.10 @ 10:33PM

Cool website, like what I have read. Will definitely be back to read again.

Northern Rebel| 1.8.10 @ 8:34AM

I love when Bob (AKA David Matthews) assumes his reasonable persona, as Liberal Reader.

It's like good cop, bad cop, except it's obnoxious fool, and less obnoxious fool.

Liberal Reader| 1.8.10 @ 1:27PM

Hitler was a German. Hot dogs are similar to food they serve in Germany. Hot dogs are served at baseball games. So is beer. Baseball is the national pastime of the United States. Therefore, the United States is a fascist country.

Hitler enjoyed pasta. Pasta is Italian, the birthplace of fascism. Therefore, pasta is the cause of fascism and terrorism. In addition, we can logically conclude that pasta is the cause of Democrats.

Fascism thrived in Germany. Socialism thrived in France. Therefore, fascism is socialism, and all socialists are German.

Abraham Lincoln did not have a mustache. Therefore, anyone with a mustache supports slavery.

Obama supports Taxes, eats Yogurt, likes Running, enjoys Radishes, studied Anthropology, visited Nebraska, and plays Tennis: T, Y, R, R, A,N, T, spells tyrrant. Therefore, Obama is a fascist dictator.

victor| 1.8.10 @ 11:59PM

Hey Reeder,
Take a long walk off a short pier and call us in the morning.

Ray| 1.9.10 @ 11:37AM

Poverty does not case terrorism. Poor people can't afford the luxury of time and resources that prolonged planning, training, outfitting, and travel that terrorism requires of terrorists. Poor people are too busy trying just to survive. It is the upper middle-class, especially the 20-something males of upper-class families, who has the time and resources required to become a terrorist. This has been known for decades, if not centuries.

Contrary to the stated beliefs of some well-minded but clueless "intellectuals," poverty doesn't cause terrorism, but the effect of terrorism DOES cause poverty as terrorism thrives in poor populations. Just ask the poverty stricken populations of all the terrorist supporting states, past and present, about how poverty is created and prolonged by terrorism. Ask any Somali if the rampant terrorism within their own society is is keeping them poor. The honest one's will answer YES! Ask any Palestinian if the rampant terrorism within their own society is keeping them poor. The honest ones will answer YES! Ask the citizens of ANY country that suffers rampant terrorism if the actions of those terrorists are keeping them poor. The honest ones will answer YES!

There's s very simple reason why terrorists thrive amongst endemic poverty. It's far easier to control a poor population through terror and violence than to do the same with a prosperous population. The sufferers of poverty don't have the time and resources necessary to stop terrorism. They require the resources of another prospers country to rid them of their terrorists. These resources are, by necessary, military equipment and the trained individuals who use that equipment. A poverty stricken population needs the equipment and manpower of a foreign military to rid them of their terrorists and help them recover from their terrorism imposed poverty. Just ask the Afghanistan citizens about that.

Mike M| 1.9.10 @ 1:22PM

The observation Mr. Cline forgot...The one thing in common is Liberalism (AKA-hatred for the United States)

S.L. Toddard| 1.10.10 @ 3:31PM

"Poverty Does Not Cause Terrorism"

Of course "poverty does not cause terrorism". As the Defense Science Board Task Force (charged by Donald Rumsfeld to assess the ramifications of American Foreign Policy) concluded in 2004, the “underlying sources of threats to America’s national security” are “American direct intervention in the Muslim world,” America’s “one sided support in favor of Israel,” and “the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.” It concluded that “Muslims do not ‘hate our freedom,’ but rather, they hate our policies.”

Translation: Big Government intervention in Muslim affairs causes blowback. Remember: there is no such thing as a "small government" that can lead, rule over and police the entire world.

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