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September 23, 2011 | 60 comments
Letter From London
The Rotting Fruit of Multiculturalism
Can Europe be the same place with different people in it?
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To those of us living here, it doesn’t feel as if crime in the UK is now low enough for the police to justify fancy-dress days. These types of stories would be harmless absurdities were it not precisely this type of thing that has contributed to the rise in support for white extremist groups. Paid arms of thstate try to find out how the minority of a minority feels while steadfastly refusing to acknowledge that the rest of the nation feels as if it is not being listened to at all.
Any meaningful discussion of immigration remains completely off the table. In 1955 Winston Churchill called it “the most important subject facing this country, but I cannot get any of my ministers to take any notice.” Little has changed. The Conservative Party, which is certain to win office next year, is so fearful of the issue that it will barely mention it in public, fearful of being regarded as “racist” or “prejudiced” by a left-wing press more intent on smearing its opponents than admitting its considerable role in what has come to pass. The demographic shift, a time-bomb that could potentially change Europe entirely, was a “subterranean conversation,” according to former British Prime Minister Tony Blair. It always has been. And that is part of the problem.
Fascist groups are now capitalizing on European concerns over precisely these types of issues because their own governments have refused to act. Politicians continue to stick their head in the nearest sandbox, perhaps aware that a problem created by a generation could not be solved overnight. Rather than beginning to rethink the policies that have resulted in so many Europeans turning to extremist groups, they seem to have reconciled themselves to the idea that they govern a continent of several million closet racists. If this attitude persists, we are in deeper trouble than we previously thought.
Seventy years ago, Europe had statesmen who achieved greatness by facing down fascism. It is time for this generation to take up the mantle. Islamism needs to be defeated. European politicians also need to face up to issues important to the majority, rather than cowardly elites or grudge-laden minorities. Do that — even try to do that — and support for white extremist groups will drain. Ignore it, and it is hard to be optimistic about Europe’s future.
Caldwell wonders if Europe can be the same with different people in it. The answer he clearly comes to is “No.” The question now is how long it takes Europeans to reach the same conclusion. And what they will do when they come to it.
About the Author
Douglas Murray is a British writer and commentator. He was the director of the Centre for Social Cohesion from 2007 until 2011, and is currently an associate director of the Henry Jackson Society.
B| 12.12.09 @ 9:14AM
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John| 12.22.09 @ 10:37AM
Funny how "christian" societies can be considered "multicultural", but "muslim" societies cannot be. Islam means submission, not peace. So how are the minority groups coping in "muslim" countries?
Alan Brooks| 12.23.09 @ 4:26PM
You would think neofascists, or if you want to be PC call them white supremacists or ultra-nationalists, would be pleased gays are harmed.
S.L. Toddard| 12.12.09 @ 10:27AM
I wish everyone would lay off the letter "s". I've had about all I can stand of this s-bashing.
Ret. Marine| 12.22.09 @ 7:08AM
Bashing you say, I was once told as a youngster, if the truth hurts, too bad. Deal with it.
Melvin| 12.22.09 @ 7:43AM
Isn't it nice to be loved?
Dave| 12.23.09 @ 11:32AM
To S.L. Toddard (or anyone else): Excuse me, but what do you mean by laying off the letter "s" and s-bashing?
Strachan| 12.22.09 @ 7:13AM
Screw the Europeans,you want Englishmen,Frenchmen,Germans,Italians,Polish,Ukrainians,etc. to come forward and ignite the passion. Your milquetoast elites banned smoking in your pubs,the islamonutcases will push for banning alcohol. Where will your beer industry and public houses be then? Good bye England.Good bye Great Britain.
Ret. Marine| 12.22.09 @ 7:17AM
It would appear the U.K. had more girly-men than the State of Kalifornication. While reality bites, the truth must be told, the hurt must be felt, and all that is islam must be exposed. One does not have to go very far into the multiculturism sceme to understand the purpose of the ISNA, CAIR, MNA, etc. They much like anyone of these organizations set up by the Muslim Brotherhood are not here to make nice with the inhabitants of these United States, in their own words exposed by their articles of intent are here to create much that is of the U.K. today. The sad part is that We too have politicians (think the entire black caucus) who bend over for this ruse, take their money for political purposes and then stand back and tell We the People the muslims are peaceful.
Appleby| 12.22.09 @ 7:19AM
Kanukistan is the same kind of balkanized series of refugee camps, where people stare at each other balefully through the wire and speak their own language deliberately to exclude and reject the country where they are hiding out until things cool down in their home countries. Many in Canada are Parachute Citizens, who run screaming to the Embassy when their countrymen start yet another war, demanding to be evacuated at the expense of those taxpayers of Canada whom they loathe and reject in calmer times...fully intending to go right back *home* as soon as the fuss dies down.
As long as the home country has no pride and cannot stand up for itself (lest, as is the habit here in Kanukistan, someone think one is American), this will continue.
Melvin| 12.22.09 @ 8:13AM
Good morning all, I see every one is in fine form this morning. Oh, you to Toddard. I'm joking OK don't take it personal.
Someone posted earlier this month a slogan if you will of, "Unity not diversity." I gave this phrase some thought, because in the military in which this phrase was directed a country cannot have an effective fighting force if diversity is the rule of the day. multiculturalism/diversity creates squabbling groups that cannot unite behind a common goal.
But if unity is the rule of the day, the auto default is diversity but unified.
When I first joined the Marine Corps, it was drilled into my head, "I don't care what you are, what is your religion, or where you came from. You are now green got it." All of us privates sounded off, "Yes, Drill Instructor we're all green!"
Green, was the color of our uniform, and that is what bound us as one unified Marine Corps.
OK, put aside the military aspect of unification.
What has made this Country what it is today, is that all that live in this Country were once bound by one common language, one common ideology of being American, and that Country came first above anything else.
This is what has kept the wolf away from this Country's doorstep for many years. But now that the multiculturalists have taken over the government run education system they demand that we descend into quarreling groups that aren't unified at anything.
England is the poster child of how multiculturalism destroys a cohesive, unified society and turns it into sectionalized fiefdoms, with they're own quasi governments that do not recognize the host country's laws and customs. Mini nation states within a state. And in some cases the judicial system, case in point of English law recognizing Sharia law for divorces and minor crimes committed by Muslims in England.
The pea brained multiculturalists fail to realize that multiculturalism separates and divides societies, not unify them.
Spike| 12.22.09 @ 11:07AM
Melvin,
Hoorah! You've made a great point outlining the distinction between Unity and Diversity. I've learned something today. Well done.
Spike
Surprised| 12.22.09 @ 8:53PM
I was surprised to hear some representatives of the US forces on an internet radio show the other day, saying that they had no problem with Afghan citizens whom they were protecting growing poppies for the international drug market. They described it as tradition, making a living (but if they can grow poppies, they could grow food, too, I think), and that the American viewpoint doesn't matter a bit in a foreign country. I pointed out that the drugs will come here and kill Americans. One man said, "You gotta do what you gotta do to feed your family. I'd sell drugs to feed my family." Their point was that their "broader perspective" having lived abroad allowed them to see that drug dealing was okay. Finally, one man said that they really had to say that they did not think selling illegal drugs was okay and you could feel the tension and uneasiness among the military men when he said this. So that is political correctness in the American military. We protect those whose values contradict our own and we hold ourselves guilty of a limited viewpoint if this makes uneasy.
Torquemeda| 12.22.09 @ 8:42AM
Living and traveling in Europe, it was educational to see how 'Balkanized' many of the countries are - Switzerland remains divided by language, Germany by geographical districts, etc. The one real difference about America was that we would accept citizens from anywhere in the world and make them citizens - that ended some 20 years ago - very sad.
Yeah, that's over| 12.22.09 @ 8:59PM
Yes, now we accept people from all over the world, give them citizenship, and they do NOT become Americans, but instead insist on their own little home nation on American soil. Of course, a lot of people come here without permission and entrench themselves by having anchor babies, working illegally, and buying property -- that is a very big problem.
Torquemeda| 12.22.09 @ 8:42AM
Living and traveling in Europe, it was educational to see how 'Balkanized' many of the countries are - Switzerland remains divided by language, Germany by geographical districts, etc. The one real difference about America was that we would accept citizens from anywhere in the world and make them citizens - that ended some 20 years ago - very sad.
Donserge| 12.22.09 @ 9:13AM
A very large reason for the downfall of the Roman empire was the importation of slaves, mercenaries and others they conquered. They brought their culture with them and eventually outnumbered the Romans.
darcy| 12.22.09 @ 5:32PM
Indeed. You are correct.
While multiculturalism appeals to those who worship the god of non-discrimination whose highest virtue is "tolerance," in truth it harbors within it the seeds of societal chaos.
But this is all well and good for the Left, who feed off of and prosper politically from society's fragmentation and ultimately its internecine warfare -- enabling the Left to arrogate to themselves dictatorial powers in the name of keeping the peace.
The Immigration and Nationalization Act of 1965 is but one -- but a large one -- of the reasons that America now finds its founding principles under attack: These vast number of immigrants -- from cultures which DO NOT REVERE western civilization -- dillute and poison our unity. The "Act" is but one law that needs to be repealed, AND PRONTO.
Road Kill| 12.22.09 @ 9:21AM
So, dear authors, what is your point? The informed know that Europe is a basket case of multi-culturalism. Essentially they are or soon will be a write off, or a burned out hulk of what they once were. We can't cry over spilled milk cause it ain't coming back. Omar Kadafi has already said that Europe would fall to Islam migration within 30 years, sooner I'd bet. Can we prevent it from happening in the US? That's the question that is underneath this article. The European lesson can be learned and not repeated, but our illustrious Community Organizer-n-Chief, and the Congress, do not have the intestinal fortitude. Neither does a majority of the public. We simply don't want to deal with it!! We'll have to if this nation is to survive. It starts in the coming election year. Merry Christmas. This may be the last one if we don't get active.
JAH666| 12.22.09 @ 10:33AM
Here, here, Road Kill! In the US we should look upon the imminent demise of what was once Britain and other western European countries into an emerging Islamic caliphate as an object lesson. Prior to the fall of Europe, there will be a period of anarchy, possibly, as the remaining free-thinkers finally rebel against their multi-culti masters. They will be condemned by their appeasment governments and crushed, then in the spirit of 'getting along' more ground and legal rights will be given over to the rising islamic forces in their nations.
We, as Americans, must observe well these changes and learn from them. How we shall oppose the rising tide of islam depends on what we learn from the laboratory example that will be the fall of Europe.
Havoc| 12.22.09 @ 9:56AM
Islam is not a race. It is a virulent, violent ideology with religious pretensions. Opposing Islam is rational - not racist.
The problem is Islam. The solution is No Islam.
JimE| 12.22.09 @ 5:11PM
It isn't a religion either, it is a perverted cult.
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Kevin Riley O'Keeffe | 12.22.09 @ 10:00AM
European patriots should go right on voting for the BNP, and other quasi-fascist parties (the more right-wing & racialist, the better), until they force their mainstream parties to take these issues seriously.
THOMAS-THE-DOUBTER| 2.4.10 @ 9:22AM
I agree with Kevin Riley O'Keeffe, the BNP is not a party to vote for, but with conditions the way they are today in the UK, the BNP is the only party willing to do something, one reason why they got so many votes, mainly to wake this lilly livered government up to what is happening to our country, they cant even see the amount of muslims entering government, right under thier nose, I and many hundreds of thousands are against the BNP because of thier ideas, but if voting for them gets things moving regarding the muslims, then to hell with it, they get my vote, our governments too scared of its own shadow where the muslims are concerned, if this bunch of worms dont turn, and for the good of its own people, they're going to be in dire straites, Th.omas
PolishKnight| 12.22.09 @ 10:38AM
I've long wondered about leftist cognitive dissonance between worshipping Western Europe (and Canada) and especially Nordic and Scandanavian nations as socialist paradises the USA needs to be torn down to ultimately emulate AND the demographic differences between these nations and the demographics of most socialist voters in the USA.
An additional conundrum is Western Europeans embracing diversity and cultural suicide. For what goal? It's certainly not to be more like Western Europe! It's most likely caused by their mental imbalance of believing their own multicultural lies to tear down the USA and applying it to their own backyard.
This is why I don't believe there's a socialist master plan. It's greed and insanity mixed in together.
davelnaf| 12.22.09 @ 10:41AM
People in Europe seem unduly intimated by Islam’s militancy. Here, in the US the situation with Islam is less militant—at least in public. But US Muslims do hear radical sermons in their mosques and then go sing a quite different tune to gullible reporters, downplaying Islam’s anti-Western tenants and pretending they are good, loyal Americans. No doubt enough of that is true for now, but within the population there are a fair number of radicals who want to find a larger purpose in their lives, such as killing people, preferably unbelieving Westerners. Whatever other psychological baggage these people bring to that desire the Koran and extremely radicalized influences gives them their much desired green light to go do just that. Essentially, this is what in beneath the whole game played by the Islamists, and with respect to the article’s main point it’s unfortunate that gun laws in Europe are so strict. The Founding Fathers here never wanted the citizenry to take up arms against the government, but if it ever failed in its responsibilities to protect society against its enemies foreign and domestic they made the wise provision in the Constitution to allow the citizenry to do just that. Thank God for the wisdom of the Founding Fathers. It’s unlikely, though, that Muslims here would ever go as far as the ones in unarmed Europe. But if the day ever comes when they do step over a certain line that we all know exits they better have a very good and expeditious exit strategy out of this country.
scythe| 12.22.09 @ 10:55AM
OF COURSE MULTICULTURALISM DESTROYS NATION STATES. THAT'S PRECISELY WHY THE LEFT CHAMPIONS IT. MULTICULTURALISM IS A MARXIST CONSTRUCT. A MARXIST WMD. SMASH MARXISM EVERYWHERE.
scythe| 12.22.09 @ 10:57AM
UNITED WE STAND. DIVERSITY WE FALL.
Margie| 12.22.09 @ 3:24PM
I like that!
Louis Jenkins| 12.22.09 @ 10:59AM
This the face of Islam! If a woman has an issue within the family, there is an inter-family dispute, or she just doesn't toe the party line her fate is harsh. Follow the link and make up your own mind. Caution- not for the weak of heart.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/phot.....sonal.html
Now, do you really think that multiculturalism can exist in this nation?
Marco| 12.22.09 @ 11:32AM
"Under the fatefully misguided doctrine of multiculturalism, new arrivals into Europe are not only not encouraged to integrate into their host country, they are actively encouraged to separate themselves off from it. Governments speak to minorities through unelected, self-appointed community "spokespeople." There is no such thing as society: just different "communities." It is almost a textbook example of how to split a nation apart. "
No assimilation = no nation
Melvin| 12.22.09 @ 11:42AM
A Tower of babble if you will. Each speaking a different language and living by a different ideology.
Multiculturalism makes me think, "If a person leaves their birth country for whatever reason, but usually to improve their lives and then moves to a Westernized country, but still wants to act and live like they were still in their birth country.
Then why in the hell did they leave their third world shit-hole to begin with.?" These immigrants should have just stayed where they lived to begin with.
Marco| 12.22.09 @ 11:45AM
They are hypocritical leeches if you ask me.
Anti-American, anti-Western cultural baggage should be left at the door.
Ray| 12.22.09 @ 12:59PM
It's remarkable that the "enlightened" societies, so quick to reject the wisdom of the past (Tower of Babel is the biblical representation of multiculturalism) are the first ones to suffer the fate their own "enlightenment" have brought upon them ((The destruction of Babble is destruction of a Nation). Yet, it is the "unenlightened" people, like the" fervently nationalist" nations (The US until recently) who the "enlightened" people are the first people they blame (it's America's War in Islam that's to blame!) while, at the same time, we also the first people they ask for for help when their society collapses (send us more money! Send us more troops!).
You'd think that such "enlightened" people would be able to figure it out for themselves. But, alas, they never do, do they?
PolishKnight| 12.23.09 @ 9:55AM
No, Ray, because like elitist leaders who fly to Global Warming sky-is-falling summits in private jets to preach their dogma that others should not fly or telecommute, the left naively view themselves as exempt from living up to their own faith.
Spiro Agnew referred to them as "limosine liberals." In the case of Copenhagen, he was prescient.
They're like cult members who move further and further out into the jungle in order to escape the uncomfortable reality that their faith, and especially their feelings of their own superiority, are flawed until they can't go any further and force as many others as they can to drink cool aid before tossing it down their own throats.
There's nothing more evil than "best intentions."
Ted| 12.22.09 @ 11:46AM
The Brits survived the Blitz just to allow their country to be taken over from within? What was the point?
Alej| 6.3.12 @ 9:07AM
Americans survived Valley Forge and built the greatest, most charitable economic powerhouse in history, complete with an innovative and eminently fair form of government, just to allow their country to be taken over by Affirmative Action and the welfare state.
Melissa| 12.22.09 @ 11:53AM
Why is it that when other races promote/protect themselves it's called culture but when white people do it, it is called racism?
Derek Leaberry| 12.22.09 @ 12:30PM
Melissa, because lots of whites get all teary-eyed and wimpy when they are called names. Somehow, we are not the same people who created Western Civilization or tamed a wild continent in three centuries. Too many whites are content, and even proud, to be doormats.
Alej| 6.3.12 @ 9:09AM
Because we allow the tail to wag the dog in this country. And the tail doesn't know when to quit while it's ahead.
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Pete | 12.22.09 @ 1:14PM
No, Virginia, we can't all just get along. This European importation of the jihad reminds me of the scene in the original film, "War of the Worlds" where some well-meaning, progressive townspeople, fronted by the local priest, I believe, approach the recently landed Martian space module, holding an upraised cross in front of themselves for protection. Incineration is the almost immediate response.
Appleby| 12.22.09 @ 1:54PM
Similar scene in "Independence Day" -- when the alien has taken over the guy at Area 51 and the President is speaking to it, he asks "What do you want us to do?" meaning, so we can get along.
The alien replies succinctly, "DIE."
Because this is a movie, the immediate response is to kill the alien and then formulate a battle plan and kill all the rest of the aliens.
Louis Jenkins| 12.22.09 @ 3:03PM
"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." – Koran (5:51)
Can't we just all get along? Hardly. All other beliefs are a threat.
Louis Jenkins| 12.22.09 @ 4:34PM
A quote from Greg Evenson, conservative writer and commentator:
"Based on available data, who allowed the Islamic bastard at Ft. Hood to bring havoc to so many? Where were the military police? No one on base with a loaded weapon?? Police from Killeen had to do the dirty work. Islam is a wretched, Satan inspired movement worldwide that has no justification for existence, let alone soothing words of “understanding” by Obama, military leaders and “don’t jump to any conclusions” morons in the Pentagon. Well, Secretary Gates, I jumped to a conclusion and it is real simple. I do not choose to “co-exist” with Marxists, socialists or Islamic Jihadists. Confronted with violence from them or any further attempts to eradicate this nation’s historic Republic status will result in an historic summoning to a call to arms. My nation, my state, my community, my home, my family, my friends, and my defenseless neighbor’s lives and well-being are at stake. If you can’t defend Ft. Hood, Mr. Surrender-in-Chief, I don’t expect you to do anything well except prance down the steps from Air Force One like a Harlem Globetrotter. "
Marc Jeric| 12.22.09 @ 6:10PM
Multiculturalism is not a theory of the mixing pot - it is a communist plan of action to destroy this country so the the former reds (now greens) can seize permanet power. We already have a system of local soviets (community organizations), reinforced by the White House czars (komissars), and the brownshirts of ACORN and SEIU. WHAT WITH 90% OF UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS BEING MARXISTS all the pieces of permanent seizure of power are in place.
philfl63| 12.22.09 @ 7:37PM
Dear Letter From London,
The words racist, prejudice, and intolerance have been unjustly accused in our time. I have seen the beauty of Europe. A Europe created by civilized white people. America was founded and created by civilized white people. Your Europe, like our America, is being overrun by colored barbarians who do not want to assimilate and become civilized peoples. They left their own countries and refuse to go back to their own countries, because they know that their own countries are basketcases and cesspools. However, they attempt to take the worst of their barbaric cultures and unleash it upon our cultures. Because we civilized white people are afraid of being called racist, prejudiced, and intolerant, we sit and do nothing. I hope there is a resurgence of anti-immigrant nationalism in Europe. Your countries and cultures will die otherwise. Some already think Europe is a rotting corpse. God help you.
Yosemeti Sam| 12.22.09 @ 10:56PM
Louis Jenkins - spot on!
" ... Mr. Surrender-in-Chief, I don’t expect you to do anything well except prance down the steps from Air Force One like a Harlem Globetrotter...."
Very observant :)
LOL.
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LOL.
Yosemeti Sam| 12.22.09 @ 10:59PM
Louis Jenkins - spot on!
" ... Mr. Surrender-in-Chief, I don’t expect you to do anything well except prance down the steps from Air Force One like a Harlem Globetrotter...."
Very observant :)
LOL.
LOL.
LOL.
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Curtis| 12.23.09 @ 5:59AM
One of these days, people are going to discover that multiculturalism does not equal equality.
The European model of multiculturalism (And to a lesser extent the US model as well) just equals self-inflicted segregation. The whites in Europe are mad because their section on the bus is shrinking, and the muslim man wants his seat.
Tony in Central PA| 12.23.09 @ 9:34AM
This all started when Europe began to abandon Christianity, which occurred in earnest around the beginning of the last century. Islam is filling the vacuum of both belief and people caused by this situation.
The most disturbing aspect of the whole collapse is the aggressive secular mentality that has been driving a lot of this change. There seems to be a government policy of irrational, visceral hatred of Christianity but an unlimited tolerance toward Islam. While the practitioners of this mentality are for the most part atheists, it appears that their descendents will be followers of Mohammed.
Derek Leaberry| 12.23.09 @ 9:36AM
A more thorough reading of this piece leads me to think that the authors are nearly as Leftist as the Leftists they criticize. They seem more troubled by "fascists" who apparently wish for a Britain that Winston Churchill would have been more comfortable living in. Churchill wanted a stop to Third World immigration. Is the man who held the fort against Naziism a "fascist" because he wanted Britain to remain ehtnically British? The authors are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Richard Baker| 12.23.09 @ 11:25AM
Ted:
When Churchill referred to the people who came to the New World from England as not being made of "sugar candy", it's good that Sir Winston isn't alive to see that the modern English are that "sugar candy." Agree with your message, unfortunately.
djn| 12.23.09 @ 2:58PM
Can Europe be the same place with different people in it? Not with the type of people that is flooding its shores. European culture is being replaced by the rot of islam. A cult which will use every means of terrorism to destroy the beliefs and culture of others. The US should look at the decay of the European countries as its socialist, politically correct leaders open the doors of this free nation to the islamic plague that has left a path of destruction throughout the world.
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