Government rules and their enforcers give new meaning to the
practice of identify theft.
Montana's Conrad Burns tells a sad, but revealing story
about government bureaucrats and their rules. Shortly after the
Transportation Security Administration assumed control of airport
security and Burns was still serving in Congress he was at
Washington's National Airport for a flight home. National is the
airport used almost exclusively by members of Congress to fly in
and out of the nation's capital.
Burns showed his U.S. Senate identification to a TSA agent
who refused to accept it, telling him she was not familiar with
the government-issued photo ID. He had to produce another form of
picture ID she demanded. In an attempt to be funny, Burns offered
his Sam's Club shopping card. The agent accepted it and sent
Burns on his way.
There is no shortage of shameful exploits by TSA agents and
other airport security personnel in the post 9/11 era. An
octogenarian World War II hero was delayed and repeatedly
searched when he attempted to board a plan carrying his
Congressional Medal of Honor. A planeload of soldiers were forced
to remain in their jetliner during a four-hour layover. TSA
officials ruled the servicemen posed a security threat because
they had weapons stored in the belly of the aircraft. The
soldiers were en route home after a tour of duty in Afghanistan.
Another soldier, who had his jaw wired shut following surgery for
a bullet wound, was prohibited from boarding his aircraft because
he possessed a small pair of wire cutters required to cut open
his jaw in a medical emergency.
These embarrassing episodes are not surprising to anyone
familiar with government bureaucrats armed with "rules, policies
and procedures" and employing no commonsense. Unfortunately,
crafting and issuing rules and regulations and then mindlessly
enforcing them without considering the implications is a longtime
government pastime.
I have witnessed countless examples of bureaucrats in
action with their rules while serving as a commissioned officer
with nearly 30 years of total service on active duty and in the
reserves in the Navy.
Five years ago, a Navy lawyer issued a new decree that
military personnel were no longer permitted to possess cellular
telephones with built-in cameras while on Navy facilities.
Sailors armed with such consumer electronics posed a national
security risk, he reasoned, because they could take photographs
on base that could potentially be exploited by terrorist sleeper
cells. Seriously.
In a series of back and forth discussions I pointed out
that Navy Exchanges on base often sell these same cell phones as
well as significantly higher resolution cameras (which he did not
consider banning). Besides, I asked him, why is it we can trust
sailors with access to classified information, high performance
aircraft, missiles and other weaponry and we issue them handguns,
but we can't trust them with cell phone cameras? He grudgingly
rescinded his ban.
Six months ago, I had a similar run-in with bureaucratic
rules and logic. I needed to renew my military identification.
Unlike the old, familiar green ID card, the new identification
card has an embedded computer chip that allows the ID card to
double as a smart card. Called a "common access card," the Navy
CAC is used as both identification and to access the Navy's
intranet computer system via a smart card reader.
My CAC had expired days earlier so I contacted an issuing
office to get a replacement. A clerk in the ID card office
informed me that all appointments had to be made online using the
intranet. Yet, my expired CAC prevented me from using the
intranet system. In spite of my predicament the clerk told me,
"Our policy requires all appointments to be scheduled online. If
you are unable to use the intranet, then there is nothing more I
can do." It sounded like the beginning of an Abbott and Costello
routine.
Rather than fight this particular battle, I decided to
renew my CAC at another issuing office. While there, I was asked
to produce a picture ID. I showed my state driver's license. I
was then asked for a second form of ID and was told the CAC was
not acceptable since it expired five days earlier. A week earlier
it would have been valid, but on this day it was deemed
worthless. So I showed the clerk my company-issued ID card that
looked as though it was made on an office computer and laminated
at the local Kinko's. As a matter of fact, that was exactly how
that ID was manufactured. But it was good enough. The clerk
accepted the flimsy company ID over the just-expired military
CAC.
It was déjà vu all over again when I recently accompanied
my wife to get a replacement for her military dependent ID card,
which she had lost. The clerk accepted her driver's license as
valid proof of identification, but ruled her county
government-issued photo ID was not acceptable. However, she was
informed her county government-issued voter registration ID,
which does not have a photograph, was acceptable. She could also
use a Social Security card (without a photo) but, the clerk
warned, she could not use her U.S. passport because it had
expired a few years earlier. ("Hey, Abbott!")
The irony is that I was in my wife's presence, I had
multiple picture identifications (including my military CAC) to
prove my identification, she had her driver's license, I vouched
for her, and she is registered in the Defense Department
database. Yet, the rules allowed no flexibility. A county
government-issued picture ID was deemed invalid, but a county
government-issued voter registration without a picture was
acceptable.
On principle, I pursued this matter through the next four
higher levels of supervisors with each one telling me the same
thing. They agreed the rules were absurd but none of them wanted
to take the bold step of making an exception.
We were eventually forced to leave and return with a second
form of acceptable identification. My wife dug through her files
and offered an old voter registration card issued in 1980 and
31-year old high school identification. Both were deemed
acceptable forms of ID and she was immediately issued a new
military dependent ID card.
Just think of it. Her recently expired passport was ruled
unacceptable but her three-decade old high school ID that was so
crudely fashioned that it made my company-manufactured ID appear
to be high-tech was deemed valid. You cannot make up this stuff.
Yet, it all fell nicely within the rules: student IDs (regardless
how old) are acceptable forms of identification. Same thing held
for her nearly 30-year old voter registration card.
What makes this episode even sadder is that the military
CAC is generally not accepted as a valid form of identification
for use by visitors to the Pentagon. Visitors must also have a
Pentagon-issued ID or another form of identification such as a
state driver's license. The reason, according to a security
officer, is that at least one machine that manufactures CACs and
several hundred blank CACs are missing and presumed to have been
stolen. Security officials do not know which CAC is valid and
which is a forgery.
In the meantime, bureaucrats with badges will ensure that
only legitimate military wives, husbands, and children use the
on-base commissary, auto hobby shop, and McDonald's
restaurant.
About the Author
Mark Hyman hosts "Behind the Headlines," a commentary program for Sinclair Broadcast Group. You can follow him on Twitter at @markhyman.
While renewing my drivers license, I needed to make an address
change. The DMV wanted proof of the new address, so I got my
vehicle registration out of the car and showed them. They said
they couldn't take it because they issue it (huh??). I had to go
home, get something else (a utility bill with the current
address), bring it back, get back in line, and finally get my
license renewed. The DMV folks agreed that it didn't make sense,
but those were the rules they had to enforce.
It always amazes me as I board a plane in Ft. Lauderdale to NYC,
that some 80 year old woman with a cane is pulled over to the
side to be frisked like a common criminal while some studly guy
who looks a bit, um, ... well, I don't know -- he looks odd, goes
right on through. There always seems to be one or two a planeload
that just walk on through like me. And then again, sometimes I'm
the one frisked like a common criminal and not even with an
apologetic smile. But with disdain and annoyance. Then they often
won't take my Arizona ID because as a non-drivers license it has
no expiration date -- as if I myself have expired. So I just pull
out cards and things out of my wallet, almost like "here, take a
card, any card" and after they find one they like I'm magically
whisked through. It's never even consistent in the same airport,
never mind airport to airport. And the belt? What's with the belt
fetish? All this for our "security"?
Melvin| 11.20.09 @ 7:48AM
Taxpayers pay millions upon millions so that government imbeciles
can come up with these moronic rules.
Somewhere inside the labyrinth of government cubicles sit row
upon row of government drones whose sole task is to think up and
implement more onerous rules.
Once these government produced drones issue their edicts another
drone that is much lower on the evolutionary scale takes this
edict and disseminates this edict to all the thousands upon
thousands of other drones inside the hive. No two drones of the
sub species of drones will interpret edict in the same way, which
in turn will make our lives a living hell in trying to
comply.
You see the drone doesn't care he or she only sees what is in
front of them and nothing else. By nature of government
bureaucracy the drones are only to look what is in front of them
and are forbidden to look left or right or heaven forbid think
outside the box.
The drone is perfectly happy sitting inside their 6x6 cubicle for
eight hours a day and not a minute over happily pecking away at
the keyboard to another unseen drone, who is doing the same
action.
The drone doesn't think about freedom and choice, it only thinks
about the hive or the collective that is important to them.
If for any reason the computer screen goes blank and unresponsive
millions of drones will just sit there with a blank robotic stare
pecking over and over at the escape key to get further
instructions.
Ahh, the joys of renewing a driver's license.
Roscoe| 11.20.09 @ 11:46AM
Melvin, I would add that the computer net that the drones are
accessing while they peck-peck away, is NOT the same one that the
Taxpayers access. The drone-net is completely separate from the
Taxpayer-net. So when a Taxpayer hits a dead end on the
Taxpayer-net, and attempts to describe the problem to any drone,
the drone can keep peck-pecking on the drone-net, while telling
the Taxpayer that drones have no idea about the Taxpayer-net and
therefore can't help with the "Taxpayer's problem". Note the
importance of this last phrase; the drone has now assigned the
ownership of the problem to the Taxpayer. Meanwhile, the
peck-pecking continues.
Susan Peterson| 11.20.09 @ 2:18PM
I used my ssa.gov email as a kind of irony in commenting on this
thread.
As a bureaucrat, I will tell you that is what is important to
drones is not being criticized by their superiors, and likewise
for the superiors, with their superiors. Also meeting various
numerical targets and goals. The person who won't make a
reasonable exception is motivated almost entirely by fear for his
or her job.
After a while they may come to believe that the set of
regulations they administer are part of the nature of the
universe which ought to be obvious to anyone, but it starts out
with just plain fear.
Susan Peterson
Archon| 11.23.09 @ 4:38AM
"fear for his or her job." Really? I didn't know anyone could get
fired by the government.
j moore| 11.20.09 @ 8:06AM
Correction. No military lawyer can "issue a decree." Commanders
can issue "orders" and normally do so on the advice of their
judge advocate. The complicit navy commander could have, and
should have, ignored the silly recommendation.
We don´t need to read Ayn Rand, everything is almost coming true.
Motown Mike| 11.20.09 @ 8:39AM
Wait until these people start making your medical decisions.
Archon| 11.23.09 @ 4:41AM
Took the words right out of my mouth!
"I'm sorry Ma'am, but we can't administer CPR on your husband
without proper identification."
SGT Rock| 11.20.09 @ 8:42AM
There is no such thing as a "Congressional Medal of Honor". Seems
odd that a military man wouldn't know that it's the Medal of
Honor, awarded by the Department of Defense.
Military ID and access cards are a considered a privilege, not a
right. The contempt with which you treated that privilage says a
great deal about you and your spouse. You allowed yours to expire
and then belittle those who show the self discipline to follow
the rules. Your wife lost hers, an important access document that
should always be safe guarded, and yet it's a bad system, not a
careless spouse.
An expired document, be it a CAC or a passport is worthless, as
it is no longer valid. Try explaining to a traffic cop that your
expired drivers license is still valid. I refer you to the old
business adage: If the bank closes at 3, don't show up at 3:05!
Your repeated references to "the clerk" also show your arrogant
contempt for the enlisted members of our armed forces. Military
ID cards and CAC's are issued by Professional Military Personnel.
The very same ones who may lay down their lives for ungratefulls
like you that can't be bothered to find out the requirements
before hand and show up with the REQUIRED valid documents. Before
you belittle and berate them again, a word of advice: get your
own sh#t together, before you whine about "the rules".
A proud professional noncommissioned officer.
CDR Paul D| 11.20.09 @ 9:53AM
SGT Rock,
What the hell are you talking about? See this link (among
countless others):
Your attitude reminds me of an event from many years ago. Myself
and two friends were guests on a military base for a conference.
The first night the MP's directed our car into a siding and
surrounded us. We had not shown the proper ID's.
"We don't have ID's because we're civillians here for the blah
blah." we said.
Oh, immediate atitude change, go right in. Apparently they had
mistaken us for young 2 LTs, which is possibly the most despised
rank in our military.
Mark Hyman| 11.20.09 @ 10:22AM
Sgt Rock:
Appreciate the feedback. You must realize this is written for a
broad audience and not a very narrow military-only audience. Very
specific military jargon is not necessarily helpful in
communicating the message.
You are correct, the award is officially named the Medal of
Honor, but the general public has come to know it as the
Congressional Medal of Honor. (Try as I might, I am doubtful I
can ever change that.)
Unfortunately, quibbling over these minor details is exactly the
sort of mindset that leads to silly -- even dangerous -- actions
regarding the big picture. Sadly, mindlessly following
nonsensical rules has injured or even killed far too many people.
Now, I could point out that you are wrong about who awards the
Medal of Honor. The MoH is not awarded by the DoD. In fact, it is
awarded by the President in the name of Congress. However, none
of this is important to the larger story. Besides, I would not
want to embarrass you in this way by pointing out that you say
things without knowing all the facts.
Nor would I want to point out a most grievous mistake on your
part when you made the assumption that "clerk" referred to a
service member. One of the offices visited is staffed entirely by
civilian clerks. Making assumptions -- particularly in battle --
can lead to deadly consequences. It is a very bad habit for you
to develop. You are an E-5. You should now better. Act on facts,
not on assumptions.
Nor were the circumstances behind the missing ID card relevant to
the overall discussion or even important to the reader. Fire?
Theft? Car accident? It was immaterial to the larger story and
once again, you made an assumption. The only context that is
important to the reader is that it needed to be replaced.
By the way, an ID is a requirement like a military uniform and is
not a privilege like a curbside parking space or an office near
the window. Recommend you try reading military regulations before
you embarrass yourself with making incorrect statements.
Lastly, I thank you for your military service. I have no doubt
you are a "proud professional noncommissioned officer." However,
if you are unable to discern the absurdity of accepting a 31-year
old high school ID as proof of identity over a just-expired US
passport or cannot understand why it is nonsense to accept a
county government-issued voter registration card without a photo
(and one that is 29 years old!) while NOT accepting a 6-month old
photo ID issued by the very same county government, then I can
only offer you congratulations on having ever been promoted to
E-5.
All best wishes.
tailgunner| 11.20.09 @ 2:49PM
Let's not mince words. SGT Rock is full of shit.
I used to SUPERVISE the Naval Air Station New Orleans, LA
Security Police vehicle and personnel pass office. You haven't
the slightest idea of what you're talking about.
-A REAL proud professional, though retired, petty officer.
SoCon| 11.22.09 @ 11:41PM
LOL!! Go for it, tailgunner; you never hold back! Thanks for your
pointed comments, you always make me laugh.
As a grateful American, I want to thank ALL of you gentlemen
(including Sgt. Rock) for your military service. God bless you.
tailgunner| 11.23.09 @ 9:16PM
Thank YOU for paying my salary and retirement.
It was a mutually beneficial arrangement.
SoCon| 11.24.09 @ 3:06PM
Mutually beneficial? True, but I believe the American people get
the better end of the bargain, sir. :)
Happy Thanksgiving.
Melvin| 11.20.09 @ 10:40AM
Huzzah, huzzah spoken like a true pogue.
Douglas| 11.20.09 @ 12:57PM
This sounds more like a troll comment ranting than a real service
person.
You totally missed the point.
L. Ross| 11.20.09 @ 1:02PM
Sadly, Douglas, Sgt Rock does not sound like a troll. He sounds
like way to many people in the military I have known. The type
who give us all a bad name.
L. Ross| 11.20.09 @ 1:01PM
Sgt Rock:
From LtCol Ross.
Your are an arrogant pissant. Definitely part of the problem, not
part of the solution. 'Course, I bet you're proud of that as
well.
Melvin| 11.20.09 @ 1:21PM
Little Lord Sgt. Fauntleroy needs to be thrown out from his
climate controlled office and thrown into the field with the rest
of us in whom he considers as savages.
Adam Smith| 11.22.09 @ 2:03AM
Back to Kos with you Mr. Cartoon Character.
Toddy and What About Bob are the only approved pro trolls on
AmSpec. This is just pathetic in it's lameness and
unicornville-made-up-ed-ness.
SoCon| 11.22.09 @ 11:44PM
You forgot Liberal Breeder, the astroturf clown.
GEDoug| 11.22.09 @ 6:03AM
Sgt Rock, you must have retired some time back. Military
personnel no longer issue ID cards or CAC's. DoD civilians now
have that privilege, and yes, they are often stuck within the
preverbal "box" when it comes to applying common sense. As a
retiree myself and now a DoD contractor at Ft Campbell Ky I see
it often. Also, not sure where you get the idea that we don't
award the CMOH. When President Abraham Lincoln signed S.J.R. No.
82 on July 12, 1862, the Army Medal of Honor was born. Uh,
authorized by Congress. I agree we should take personal
responsibility seriously in regards to military identification
but I think Marks comments were appropriate examples given the
topic of his article. Also a proud Senior Non-Commissioned
Officer. Hooah!
JimE| 11.22.09 @ 6:26PM
Sgt. Rock,
You are a moron, what happens when an ID card runs out on
deployment? Smaller ships do not issue ID cards you have to wait
until you return to port and go to PSD to get a new one.
ENCM (SW/SWCC) Ret.
Dean| 11.22.09 @ 11:23PM
SGT Hardass! Hope you get your azz frisked up the yin yang next
time you travel.
TheBishop| 11.20.09 @ 9:13AM
As a 30+ year federal bureaucrat, I can only shout "amen" to Mr.
Hyman's observations. And I agree that the TSA rules and their
"enforcement" are the most absurd. It is true: Bud Abbott and Lou
Costello live on.
CDR Paul D| 11.20.09 @ 9:20AM
SGT Rock,
What the hell are you talking about? See this link (among
countless others):
Oh, Tim... don't you know? There will be no identification
required to access HarryCare... if they require you to provide
solid indentification of yourself, they cannot simultaneously
turn a blind eye to all the illegals who WILL COME HERE to access
the 'free' health care... and since they won't be citizens, and
won't be paying taxes, they won't care about any idiotic
"penalties"...
old white guy| 11.21.09 @ 11:07AM
you will have health cards, they will have your photo and you
will have to renew them on a regualr basis. more government jobs.
illegals will also have them as legitmate id. they will not be
required to present any id to get them. just wait and see.
tailgunner| 11.20.09 @ 2:58PM
Or Social Security.
Let me tell you what's in store for anyone who votes for
government health care.
I just had my hearing this week before a 'Social Security
Administration Office of Disability and Review Administrative Law
Judge' after being denied disability compensation for two and a
half years.
The evidence was irrefutable. The judge had no choice but to
award SSDI disability payments.
By law, the judge was expected to award back pay to the date of
disability minus six months. In effect, I was eligible for two
full years of back pay.
The judge awarded SIX MONTHS.
Why? No reason was ever given.
Obama campaigned on the slogan, 'Yes, we CAN'.
Obama's GOVERNING on the slogan, 'BECAUSE we CAN'.
Dave| 11.20.09 @ 10:23AM
A few months after 9/11 I had the misfortune to make a business
trip to Ohio. On the return flight, security was painfully slow.
I watched this officious SOB "randomly" select all the well
endowed young ladies for extra scrutiny. He didn't pat them down,
but he got himself a good close-up look. Creep.
Roscoe| 11.20.09 @ 10:23AM
Mr. Hyman, for your edification, the award is named the Medal of
Honor. Let's leave it to the the buffoon president alone, to
disrespect the Medal of Honor, by referring to it incorrectly.
CDR Paul. Before you proffer any website that supposedly proves
your argument, you might look into the background of the web
address you provide as "evidence" that the name is correct. It's
hardly an official source. I would suggest you refer to the
official DoD website.
CDR Paul D| 11.20.09 @ 10:47AM
Roscoe,
Thank you for correcting me. Good advice.
Cheers, Paul
Rich Rostrom| 11.23.09 @ 1:51PM
Roscoe is "correct"; that is, cmohs.org is not an "official"
source, if by that he means a government source. It is the site
of the "Congressional Medal of Honor Society", which consists of
the living holders of the Medal.
Maybe you and "Sgt Rock" can go over there and correct THEM.
james| 11.20.09 @ 10:44AM
Isn't this national health care gonna be great? Hey, we all have
to die of something eventually. Might as well just get it over
with.
The tree of liberty and the blood of patriots. Remember that
country?
Al Adab| 11.20.09 @ 10:59AM
Does not the Declaration of Independance accuse King George of
having sent myriads of agents among the people to steal their
subsistance? Have we retirned to that point? If so, what might
our solution be? We still have the ballott box but time is short
and elections far off. Failing that rememdy, what might be our
choice?
No one wishes the battle of ideas and ballotts to fail and we
rightly fear what may follow. Our devotion to Constitutional
government demands our energies and loyalties even at the
sacrifice of personal comfort. The stakes could not be higher.
Future generations will jusdge us on how we respond to the
challenge of our time: Tyranny or Liberty. Never before has a
nation faced the choice of voting itself into oblivion or
restoring the light of Freedom to the world. Let us hope it is
not yet too late.
Thomas| 11.20.09 @ 11:18AM
s to the problems with the TSA, what do you expect from virtual
minimum wage employees, with little training or experience led by
people with even less training and experience? You get what you
pay for.
Now I am always amazed at the people who complain about having to
follow the rules, no matter how ill thought out or even downright
stupid those rules may be.
The public demands that standardized rules be put in place so
that everyone is treated the same. Then they demand that those
rules be followed, literally to the letter. Civil servants then,
predictably, follow those rules. For to disregard the rules can
lead to disciplinary action up to and including dismissal. What
do people expect from a system that rewards conformity and
punishes those that show initiative?
As evidenced by the post, most people consider themselves
special. They should not have to suffer the inconvenience of
having to abide by the rules. For them, the rules should be set
aside. But, let the rules be set aside for someone else, no
matter how good the reason, and they are usually the first to
complain about "special treatment".
So decide now. Should we live in a society with little to no
formal regulation or should we have strict, even handed
enforcement of rules, regulations and laws? Your choice.
Dixie Pixie| 11.20.09 @ 12:24PM
Choice???? WHAT CHOICE.
Refuse and official gunmen will be at your door to inforce the
bureaucratic decrees.
L. Ross| 11.20.09 @ 1:10PM
You know, Thomas, some people are entrusted with making life and
death decisions in a moments time. Pilots, surgeons, policemen as
examples. They are expected to know rules and procedures, and yet
they are also expected to have judgement. The ability to judge an
individual case on its individual merits, always keeping in mind
the intent behind the rules. You see, breaking the letter of a
rule while maintaning its intent is a far smaller problem than
breaking the intent of a rule while following its letter.
Boxcutters used to hijack aircraft are an example of the later.
Shards of glass fashioned into a knife could be a totally current
example.
What people find so infuriating is that somehow we have evolved a
one size fits all application of rules with no room for judgement
whatsoever. That is what people find infuriating. I don't know
you Tom, but I'm guessing you are one of the people enforcing the
rules and enjoying every minute of it.
Johnno| 11.22.09 @ 11:47PM
Yup, and probably feeling up the good looking female airline
passengers.
Conrad Spiracy| 11.20.09 @ 3:50PM
Thomass,
Please reread the quite lucid piece by Mr. Hyman. I don't see
anywhere where he complained about not being able to get around
the rules. His complaint is that the rules are completely and
utterly assinine. Just like you and the others who have
criticized him.
Look up "unintended consequences" - you'll see a picture of our
government machine.
Excelsior!
ConSpiracy
Sgt Pebble| 11.22.09 @ 2:39AM
Same troll, different name. Go away Sgt. Rock.
Michael| 11.20.09 @ 11:39AM
"An octogenarian World War II hero was delayed and repeatedly
searched when he attempted to board a plan carrying his
Congressional Medal of Honor" - This was Joe Foss who 1. shot
down 23 enemy planes over Guadalcanal. 2. Is a former Governor of
South Dakota. 3. The MOH had FDR’s name and date on the back. 4.
He had the original citation with him, and 5. He was vouched for
by a Major General in full uniform (Greens) going to the same
event that Governor Foss was attending.
It took two supervisors to decide not to take the MOH from
Governor Foss and only when the General pointed out several woman
passenger’s broaches with more sharp edges.
This has to go down as TSA’s finest moment.
Tim| 11.20.09 @ 12:05PM
That would be hard to top...
Pete| 11.20.09 @ 11:49AM
These are the types of jobs that are being "created" with the
stimulus funds, that is, those funds left over after the fraud
portion has been siphoned off.
Dixie Pixie| 11.20.09 @ 12:17PM
Gentleman and Ladys.
The People lost control of the government when we bought into the
concept that far-seeing and wise intellectuals could run the
country better through a rules based pyramidal bureaucratic
architecture. The first concepts can be traced to the God-Kings
of the Tigris and Euphrates river basins. The concept has been
wreaking madness and havoc for 6000 years. The weird news Obama
was elected as the latest reincarnation of a God-King.
The concept works great for the people at the top of the
bureaucratic pyramid as they can change the rules to benefit
themselves. For the rest of us the problem is such a structure is
blind to a ever changing reality. Blunders are the norm not the
exception. The system simply can not see reality.
The really bad news is the US Medical system is currently beening
changed from a observation based system to a bureaucratic based
system. If you think getting a government ID is a problem just
wait until you get sick outside of the bureaucratic norms.
Al Adab| 11.20.09 @ 1:08PM
Dixie,
Truth will out. Once we bought into the "culture of entitlement"
we were doomed. As long as some think they can have their "needs"
met at the exoense of others, freedom suffers.
You are right to note that the entire history of civilization
demonstrates that people prefer to be led than to govern
themselves or at least to suffer while tyranny is sufferable as
Jefferson put it. What that may mean for the American Republic
remains to be seen but it does appear that time is short.
Radioman777| 11.20.09 @ 1:13PM
I think I might've met Sgt Rock once or twice. I fondly remember
a SSgt giving me hell in a mobility line because my dogtags were
in the wrong format. I pointed out to him that MPF, of which he
was part, made the offending tags and if they were wrong, he
should fix them without saying anything to me. Unfortunately, we
have a lot of Sgt Rock's in all branches of the military. They
make life miserable for anybody with any common sense. Same goes
for just about any government agency, by the way.
Melvin| 11.20.09 @ 1:32PM
We used to call them, "B-Billet babies" The ones who made a
career of having special duties and serving very little or no
time in the FMF.
Conrad Spiracy| 11.20.09 @ 3:56PM
Right on. See the outtakes from "We Were Soldiers." The scene
where the boot LT was conducting an inspection. Funnier than
all-get-out.
ConSpiracy
Rob| 11.20.09 @ 1:23PM
SGT, quit being stupid (you don't get a free pass to be a moron
because you are enlisted and "served" any more than a moron who
didn't serve). If you are offended by being called a "clerk",
stop being a clerk and find another job that you are not ashamed
of. And oh by the way, most clerks I deal with to get my
worthless CAC cards are civilians. And no, because you have a CAC
card doesn't mean you can log into any system. For every single
computer, you will need to get registered. Defeats the whole
point. Very stupid. And to the others, yeah, rules are important,
but some rational thought should be used when applying. If I
wanted a system run by monkeys, I would ask that we hire monkeys.
And for those of you concerned about the wages of the TSA
employees: they are not paid minimum wages. Their supervisors,
often involved in these decisions, are extremely well paid.
Remember, the average federal gov't employee's wage is higher
than non-gov't wages. Not including their extravagent benefits.
And, if a person is going to make some of these stupid decisions
that were identified (and I have witnessed), no amount of
training is going to provide them the ability to think
rationally. Most people are sheeple.
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.20.09 @ 2:08PM
Folks,
Simply remember Ronald Reagan FIRING all the air traffic
controllers AND their union.
We simply need to fire several million "government
helpers/bureaucrats".
Fire their butts!
Jim| 11.20.09 @ 2:26PM
Imagine health care in their hands.
Choey| 11.20.09 @ 2:34PM
I still have warm memories of the time the TSA guy told me I
couldn't carry my guitar on unless I took the strings off. The
fact that there were several packages of spare strings in the
case didn't bother him a bit.
tailgunner| 11.20.09 @ 3:01PM
Were your spare strings right next to your laptop with the SIX
FOOT LONG POWER CORD?
Geez. Morons.
Art C| 11.20.09 @ 2:40PM
I recognize the problem. I work for a state gov court system. We
also banned camera phones for a while,then when we ended up
vouchering a truckload every day, we abandoned the practice.
Also. bosses don't allow any discretion in their rules, partly
because of the caliber of employee they must deal with and
because they themselves are a product of the system they run.
Conrad Spiracy| 11.20.09 @ 4:02PM
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the
pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments
are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the
consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government
becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people
to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its
powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect
their safety and happiness.
T. Jefferson
Declaration of Independence
ConSpiracy
philfl63| 11.20.09 @ 11:04PM
The TSA is another liberal jobs welfare program. It seems to be
staffed by 99% minorities and women.
JimE| 11.22.09 @ 6:27PM
I concur, they don't seem to be very intelligent either.
SoCon| 11.22.09 @ 11:55PM
Nice cheap shot about women TSA staffers! What the hell does that
mean? I know of plenty of stupid men, philfl63, and you're number
one on my list. Oinker.
Tim Bollinger| 11.20.09 @ 11:27PM
All you need to know about government "intelligence" is that TSA
requires airline flight crews to go through security as if they
were potential terrorists. Apparantly it hasn't occurred to TSA
that a pilot can bring down a plane quite easily even if his
shoes don't contain a bomb. TSA has now had more than eight years
since 9/11 to create a simplified system to expedite boarding for
frequent fliers who have passed a security clearance--but, of
course, that would reduce their power to harrass American
citizens and get them to cow before unconstitutional
intimidation.
Rmm| 11.22.09 @ 12:08PM
You of course realize that this does not apply to the 535 members
of Congress who passed this beast of legislation.
george| 11.21.09 @ 12:01AM
A TSA worker is your worst nightmare. A welfare case with a
badge.
Yosemeti Sam| 11.21.09 @ 10:13AM
Trouble is - them bureaucrats don't need no
stinking badges. They get their power or right
to enforce 'obedience' upon the people from the peoples'
'servants' in Congress. Ain't that rich!
How's that for " ... government of the people, by the people, and
for the people ...."
Bureaucrats - thy name is SOCIALISM, near kin
to COMMUNISM.
Jim| 11.21.09 @ 10:47AM
This is frighteningly funny! As I read this article I could only
think of the tactics of the soviets and nazis demanding your
papers! Is this really happening here? No, I just woke up from a
nightmare. Tell me this is just a nightmare
please..........................
Fist of the Fleet| 11.21.09 @ 11:16AM
TSA
Thousands Standing Around
DaveS| 11.21.09 @ 12:27PM
Conversely, if you try (like I did) to make a point by showing
your driver's license at a polling place the little election
board volunteer per diem-idiots act like you just held up green
kryptonite. What we need are TSA folks on the Supreme Court
because they believe what their governing docum ents say.
Tony Walker| 11.21.09 @ 5:42PM
I have severe arthritis and have trouble lifting my arms to
shoulder height. Get stopped and asked to raise my arms so they
can wand me. I explain I need to place my hands against a wall in
order to lift as pain levels won't allow me to just "raise" them.
Get pulled aside into a separate room and told I will be arrested
for not cooperating. Explain they better get a Supervisor because
I'm about to file a lawsuit, suing for discrimination against the
handicapped. They then decide letting me place my hands against
the wall won't violate any rules and wand me, and I'm on my way.
Morons, I walk with a cane, explained my problem and how we can
still get the job done and they want to talk about arresting me
for refusing to obey a order even when I say I'm not refusing I
physically can't do it.
SoCon| 11.22.09 @ 11:58PM
That's disgusting. I don't even work for the moronic TSA and I
still want to apologize to you! The thought of ObamaCare makes me
want to puke.
God help us.
Richard Baker| 11.22.09 @ 9:58AM
Tony:
I had a total left knee replacement with a cobalt steel model.
Went to the JAX airport to fly to Virginia and told the screener
that I had a steel knee. The morons at the gate freaked out, I
guess they thought I had a bomb in my knee, and took me to a room
where I showed them the scar and they were satisfied that I
wasn't a threat. This is what you get when the sick, lame, and
lazy (an Army term) are given a jobs program with which to
purchase their votes by our glorious Congress. Sic Semper
Tyrannis.
Rmm| 11.22.09 @ 11:34AM
As an insider in the bureaucratic maze (USPS), I can attest to
the lunatic edicts that come down from 'on high' that have not an
ounce of common sense attached. The smart employees don't pay
attention to the BS and go with what works.
The amazing thing is that management can't keep track of their
own BS, so yesterdays stuff is quickly forgotten about, because
they have moved on to a new day. Its an amazing way to run an
bureaucracy, any bureaucracy.
Richard Baker| 11.22.09 @ 11:59AM
Rmm:
Enjoyed your post. Learned in the Army and formally at college,
that bureaucracies have to justify their existences even if their
efforts are nonsensical. It's the same idiocy that I saw as an
Ammo SGT in my last Infantry unit. We'd go out on the last couple
of weeks of the fiscal year and fire up damn near everything in
the bunker so that we wouldn't have our allocation cut the next
year. So wasted ammunition, un-neccessary wear and tear on small
arms, mortar tubes, and everything else, and the cost of
transport and troop time was justified because my Battalion
Commander didn't want to lose any allocation. And 21st Infantry
wasn't the only unit so doing.
Anonymous| 11.22.09 @ 1:27PM
Bureaucrats... ignorant, non-thinking clods just following
instructions to quitting time and payday. (What'll healthcare be
like with them running it? Better or worse?)
John Navratil| 11.22.09 @ 5:00PM
To access my airplane in Houston without escort I must have a
security badge issued by the Airport. TSA requires everyone to
view a video about use of the badge and has done so since the
beginning.
After 9/11 everyone needed a badge so. Even though I do not work
at the airport, the badge opens no doors or gates, since I had to
get a badge I had to see the video. All part of the price, I
suppose.
A few weeks ago, I got a 7AM call at my house saying,
essentially, I needed to come in a see the video AGAIN.
Why? The TSA had no written proof I had seen it. When I asked
where my original application for a badge with such proof was,
the response what that since I hadn't had a badge for the last
two years they had expunged the records. When I said that I had a
badge continuously since 2002 they got quiet (I still got to see
the mindless video).
So here I am, having passed the FBI background check to get the
badge so I can access my own plane at a public airport and the
people in charge of security didn't know I had it? We should all
feel good about a security service which doesn't know to whom
they have issued a badge!
Peter| 11.22.09 @ 6:17PM
Like many of you I have endured the stupidity of government
officials (Drones does seem appropriate). I have a CAC card and I
find ironic having accress to governemnt computers up to Top
Secret clearance, but the garrison guard at the gate won't accept
it to allow me on the post where I work. I keep my CAC card in
plastric holder locked in my desk, because without I can't work.
One day I drove thru the gate, but had left my wallet home. I was
late to work and when I came to the guard's position it was a
guard who knew me as he had seen my military ID hundreds of time
and he knew my profession by my insignia. He asked where I
worked. He appeared perplexed, but then said he wasn't supposed
to do this, but he had an appointment with me in the next hour
and it had taken three weeks to get it. His orders were to turn
around anyone who didn't have proper ID, but he wasn't going to
wait another 3 weeks a usual part of government health care. He
said with a wink we work for a bunch of idiots that have no
common sense and pity us if we really have a crisis of
uninmanageable consequences as he waived me thru. I have just
printed this piece and tomorrow I'll give it to him with a
written comment. "We don't work for idiots, but a**holes on a
power trip".
kastellos| 11.24.09 @ 9:16AM
First, I must admit that I am a drone.
While some of the stupidities highlighted in this article and in
the comments are caused by the nameless faceless civil servants
(drones) that have direct contact with the public, the majority
of the problems are caused by the whore Congress who pass inane
and stupid requirements and the highest level of drones who rely
on private sector consultants (parasites to the drones) to
formulate policy and procedures.
This is especially true in the "IT" and security segments of
society. Since 9/11, Congress has given these people tremendous
power and, like most with such power. they abuse it horribly. By
abuse I don't mean the privacy freaks (I don't break laws, I
don't sell drugs, I don't cheat on my wife, etc., so I am not
really obsessed to preserve 100% of my privacy.), rather I mean
the day to day hassle of using my computer, getting into a
building, etc.
ArnePaul| 11.24.09 @ 1:24PM
I started to read this article but I noticed that my web browser
is the 3.01, not the new issue 3.02, so therefore everything I
see has expired and is invalid. I am ceasing to read this and all
future articles on the web and alerting Homeland Security for
possible sleeper cell activity.
Which reminds me, time for a nap.
AndrewDover| 11.25.09 @ 3:25PM
CACs can be authenticated electronically and crytographically.
But you need a software program and a smartcard reader to do it.
ID cards such as driver's licenses can be counterfeited if you
have the materials and skill.
Robert| 12.8.09 @ 1:07AM
So rather than declare war on Islam and annihilate Islam's cities
and mosques, our government decides to try to fight a war
entirely on defense, trying to guess who's a terrorist and who
isn't at the airport gate. And so instead of destroying the
enemy, we get the madness of searching 80-year old grandparents
with arthritis, newborn babies, and selecting beautiful blondes
for "security searches" so perverts can fondle their titties, all
to create a mere ILLUSION of security, while getting none in
actuality, AND losing some essential liberty. Maybe this sounds a
bit crazy, but why not instead take down the metal detectors,
have the security agents get real jobs, and publicly warn that
the next time there is an incident with an American aircraft that
spills blood, Mecca and Medina will both be gone, replaced by
giant radioactive craters that nobody will be able to approach
safely for thousands of years?
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Then, kids enter Poptropica
, a virtual world dotted with individual islands. Each island has
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example, "Time-Tangled Island" is a time-traveling adventure in
which players must return objects and characters to their
historically accurate periods, while "Spy Island" is a comical
thriller with lots of futuristic gadgets. Each has a distinct
storyline that is not related to those of the other islands.
Besides the single-player adventure, each island features common
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wins, or a basketball shooting competition in which the hoop is
rising and falling. Players are given a star ranking based on
their win-loss record.
Sometimes, health care facilities require a more simple
bureaucracy. Complicated bureaucracy could endanger someone's
life.
Traveler| 5.8.11 @ 12:50PM
It happens in the corporate environment too! There are policies
in place that are supposed to make people safe, but no policies
that ensure only smart people make the policies.
Darin| 11.20.09 @ 7:11AM
While renewing my drivers license, I needed to make an address change. The DMV wanted proof of the new address, so I got my vehicle registration out of the car and showed them. They said they couldn't take it because they issue it (huh??). I had to go home, get something else (a utility bill with the current address), bring it back, get back in line, and finally get my license renewed. The DMV folks agreed that it didn't make sense, but those were the rules they had to enforce.
Jim Hlavac| 11.20.09 @ 7:32AM
It always amazes me as I board a plane in Ft. Lauderdale to NYC, that some 80 year old woman with a cane is pulled over to the side to be frisked like a common criminal while some studly guy who looks a bit, um, ... well, I don't know -- he looks odd, goes right on through. There always seems to be one or two a planeload that just walk on through like me. And then again, sometimes I'm the one frisked like a common criminal and not even with an apologetic smile. But with disdain and annoyance. Then they often won't take my Arizona ID because as a non-drivers license it has no expiration date -- as if I myself have expired. So I just pull out cards and things out of my wallet, almost like "here, take a card, any card" and after they find one they like I'm magically whisked through. It's never even consistent in the same airport, never mind airport to airport. And the belt? What's with the belt fetish? All this for our "security"?
Melvin| 11.20.09 @ 7:48AM
Taxpayers pay millions upon millions so that government imbeciles can come up with these moronic rules.
Somewhere inside the labyrinth of government cubicles sit row upon row of government drones whose sole task is to think up and implement more onerous rules.
Once these government produced drones issue their edicts another drone that is much lower on the evolutionary scale takes this edict and disseminates this edict to all the thousands upon thousands of other drones inside the hive. No two drones of the sub species of drones will interpret edict in the same way, which in turn will make our lives a living hell in trying to comply.
You see the drone doesn't care he or she only sees what is in front of them and nothing else. By nature of government bureaucracy the drones are only to look what is in front of them and are forbidden to look left or right or heaven forbid think outside the box.
The drone is perfectly happy sitting inside their 6x6 cubicle for eight hours a day and not a minute over happily pecking away at the keyboard to another unseen drone, who is doing the same action.
The drone doesn't think about freedom and choice, it only thinks about the hive or the collective that is important to them.
If for any reason the computer screen goes blank and unresponsive millions of drones will just sit there with a blank robotic stare pecking over and over at the escape key to get further instructions.
Ahh, the joys of renewing a driver's license.
Roscoe| 11.20.09 @ 11:46AM
Melvin, I would add that the computer net that the drones are accessing while they peck-peck away, is NOT the same one that the Taxpayers access. The drone-net is completely separate from the Taxpayer-net. So when a Taxpayer hits a dead end on the Taxpayer-net, and attempts to describe the problem to any drone, the drone can keep peck-pecking on the drone-net, while telling the Taxpayer that drones have no idea about the Taxpayer-net and therefore can't help with the "Taxpayer's problem". Note the importance of this last phrase; the drone has now assigned the ownership of the problem to the Taxpayer. Meanwhile, the peck-pecking continues.
Susan Peterson| 11.20.09 @ 2:18PM
I used my ssa.gov email as a kind of irony in commenting on this thread.
As a bureaucrat, I will tell you that is what is important to drones is not being criticized by their superiors, and likewise for the superiors, with their superiors. Also meeting various numerical targets and goals. The person who won't make a reasonable exception is motivated almost entirely by fear for his or her job.
After a while they may come to believe that the set of regulations they administer are part of the nature of the universe which ought to be obvious to anyone, but it starts out with just plain fear.
Susan Peterson
Archon| 11.23.09 @ 4:38AM
"fear for his or her job." Really? I didn't know anyone could get fired by the government.
j moore| 11.20.09 @ 8:06AM
Correction. No military lawyer can "issue a decree." Commanders can issue "orders" and normally do so on the advice of their judge advocate. The complicit navy commander could have, and should have, ignored the silly recommendation.
fallen earth chips| 11.20.09 @ 8:29AM
We don´t need to read Ayn Rand, everything is almost coming true.
Motown Mike| 11.20.09 @ 8:39AM
Wait until these people start making your medical decisions.
Archon| 11.23.09 @ 4:41AM
Took the words right out of my mouth!
"I'm sorry Ma'am, but we can't administer CPR on your husband without proper identification."
SGT Rock| 11.20.09 @ 8:42AM
There is no such thing as a "Congressional Medal of Honor". Seems odd that a military man wouldn't know that it's the Medal of Honor, awarded by the Department of Defense.
Military ID and access cards are a considered a privilege, not a right. The contempt with which you treated that privilage says a great deal about you and your spouse. You allowed yours to expire and then belittle those who show the self discipline to follow the rules. Your wife lost hers, an important access document that should always be safe guarded, and yet it's a bad system, not a careless spouse.
An expired document, be it a CAC or a passport is worthless, as it is no longer valid. Try explaining to a traffic cop that your expired drivers license is still valid. I refer you to the old business adage: If the bank closes at 3, don't show up at 3:05!
Your repeated references to "the clerk" also show your arrogant contempt for the enlisted members of our armed forces. Military ID cards and CAC's are issued by Professional Military Personnel. The very same ones who may lay down their lives for ungratefulls like you that can't be bothered to find out the requirements before hand and show up with the REQUIRED valid documents. Before you belittle and berate them again, a word of advice: get your own sh#t together, before you whine about "the rules".
A proud professional noncommissioned officer.
CDR Paul D| 11.20.09 @ 9:53AM
SGT Rock,
What the hell are you talking about? See this link (among countless others):
http://www.cmohs.org/
Tim| 11.20.09 @ 9:54AM
Your attitude reminds me of an event from many years ago. Myself and two friends were guests on a military base for a conference. The first night the MP's directed our car into a siding and surrounded us. We had not shown the proper ID's.
"We don't have ID's because we're civillians here for the blah blah." we said.
Oh, immediate atitude change, go right in. Apparently they had mistaken us for young 2 LTs, which is possibly the most despised rank in our military.
Mark Hyman| 11.20.09 @ 10:22AM
Sgt Rock:
Appreciate the feedback. You must realize this is written for a broad audience and not a very narrow military-only audience. Very specific military jargon is not necessarily helpful in communicating the message.
You are correct, the award is officially named the Medal of Honor, but the general public has come to know it as the Congressional Medal of Honor. (Try as I might, I am doubtful I can ever change that.)
Unfortunately, quibbling over these minor details is exactly the sort of mindset that leads to silly -- even dangerous -- actions regarding the big picture. Sadly, mindlessly following nonsensical rules has injured or even killed far too many people.
Now, I could point out that you are wrong about who awards the Medal of Honor. The MoH is not awarded by the DoD. In fact, it is awarded by the President in the name of Congress. However, none of this is important to the larger story. Besides, I would not want to embarrass you in this way by pointing out that you say things without knowing all the facts.
Nor would I want to point out a most grievous mistake on your part when you made the assumption that "clerk" referred to a service member. One of the offices visited is staffed entirely by civilian clerks. Making assumptions -- particularly in battle -- can lead to deadly consequences. It is a very bad habit for you to develop. You are an E-5. You should now better. Act on facts, not on assumptions.
Nor were the circumstances behind the missing ID card relevant to the overall discussion or even important to the reader. Fire? Theft? Car accident? It was immaterial to the larger story and once again, you made an assumption. The only context that is important to the reader is that it needed to be replaced.
By the way, an ID is a requirement like a military uniform and is not a privilege like a curbside parking space or an office near the window. Recommend you try reading military regulations before you embarrass yourself with making incorrect statements.
Lastly, I thank you for your military service. I have no doubt you are a "proud professional noncommissioned officer." However, if you are unable to discern the absurdity of accepting a 31-year old high school ID as proof of identity over a just-expired US passport or cannot understand why it is nonsense to accept a county government-issued voter registration card without a photo (and one that is 29 years old!) while NOT accepting a 6-month old photo ID issued by the very same county government, then I can only offer you congratulations on having ever been promoted to E-5.
All best wishes.
tailgunner| 11.20.09 @ 2:49PM
Let's not mince words. SGT Rock is full of shit.
I used to SUPERVISE the Naval Air Station New Orleans, LA Security Police vehicle and personnel pass office. You haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about.
-A REAL proud professional, though retired, petty officer.
SoCon| 11.22.09 @ 11:41PM
LOL!! Go for it, tailgunner; you never hold back! Thanks for your pointed comments, you always make me laugh.
As a grateful American, I want to thank ALL of you gentlemen (including Sgt. Rock) for your military service. God bless you.
tailgunner| 11.23.09 @ 9:16PM
Thank YOU for paying my salary and retirement.
It was a mutually beneficial arrangement.
SoCon| 11.24.09 @ 3:06PM
Mutually beneficial? True, but I believe the American people get the better end of the bargain, sir. :)
Happy Thanksgiving.
Melvin| 11.20.09 @ 10:40AM
Huzzah, huzzah spoken like a true pogue.
Douglas| 11.20.09 @ 12:57PM
This sounds more like a troll comment ranting than a real service person.
You totally missed the point.
L. Ross| 11.20.09 @ 1:02PM
Sadly, Douglas, Sgt Rock does not sound like a troll. He sounds like way to many people in the military I have known. The type who give us all a bad name.
L. Ross| 11.20.09 @ 1:01PM
Sgt Rock:
From LtCol Ross.
Your are an arrogant pissant. Definitely part of the problem, not part of the solution. 'Course, I bet you're proud of that as well.
Melvin| 11.20.09 @ 1:21PM
Little Lord Sgt. Fauntleroy needs to be thrown out from his climate controlled office and thrown into the field with the rest of us in whom he considers as savages.
Adam Smith| 11.22.09 @ 2:03AM
Back to Kos with you Mr. Cartoon Character.
Toddy and What About Bob are the only approved pro trolls on AmSpec. This is just pathetic in it's lameness and unicornville-made-up-ed-ness.
SoCon| 11.22.09 @ 11:44PM
You forgot Liberal Breeder, the astroturf clown.
GEDoug| 11.22.09 @ 6:03AM
Sgt Rock, you must have retired some time back. Military personnel no longer issue ID cards or CAC's. DoD civilians now have that privilege, and yes, they are often stuck within the preverbal "box" when it comes to applying common sense. As a retiree myself and now a DoD contractor at Ft Campbell Ky I see it often. Also, not sure where you get the idea that we don't award the CMOH. When President Abraham Lincoln signed S.J.R. No. 82 on July 12, 1862, the Army Medal of Honor was born. Uh, authorized by Congress. I agree we should take personal responsibility seriously in regards to military identification but I think Marks comments were appropriate examples given the topic of his article. Also a proud Senior Non-Commissioned Officer. Hooah!
JimE| 11.22.09 @ 6:26PM
Sgt. Rock,
You are a moron, what happens when an ID card runs out on deployment? Smaller ships do not issue ID cards you have to wait until you return to port and go to PSD to get a new one.
ENCM (SW/SWCC) Ret.
Dean| 11.22.09 @ 11:23PM
SGT Hardass! Hope you get your azz frisked up the yin yang next time you travel.
TheBishop| 11.20.09 @ 9:13AM
As a 30+ year federal bureaucrat, I can only shout "amen" to Mr. Hyman's observations. And I agree that the TSA rules and their "enforcement" are the most absurd. It is true: Bud Abbott and Lou Costello live on.
CDR Paul D| 11.20.09 @ 9:20AM
SGT Rock,
What the hell are you talking about? See this link (among countless others):
http://www.cmohs.org/
Tim| 11.20.09 @ 9:55AM
Just wait until TSA runs your healthcare.
Ned| 11.20.09 @ 11:33AM
Oh, Tim... don't you know? There will be no identification required to access HarryCare... if they require you to provide solid indentification of yourself, they cannot simultaneously turn a blind eye to all the illegals who WILL COME HERE to access the 'free' health care... and since they won't be citizens, and won't be paying taxes, they won't care about any idiotic "penalties"...
old white guy| 11.21.09 @ 11:07AM
you will have health cards, they will have your photo and you will have to renew them on a regualr basis. more government jobs. illegals will also have them as legitmate id. they will not be required to present any id to get them. just wait and see.
tailgunner| 11.20.09 @ 2:58PM
Or Social Security.
Let me tell you what's in store for anyone who votes for government health care.
I just had my hearing this week before a 'Social Security Administration Office of Disability and Review Administrative Law Judge' after being denied disability compensation for two and a half years.
The evidence was irrefutable. The judge had no choice but to award SSDI disability payments.
By law, the judge was expected to award back pay to the date of disability minus six months. In effect, I was eligible for two full years of back pay.
The judge awarded SIX MONTHS.
Why? No reason was ever given.
Obama campaigned on the slogan, 'Yes, we CAN'.
Obama's GOVERNING on the slogan, 'BECAUSE we CAN'.
Dave| 11.20.09 @ 10:23AM
A few months after 9/11 I had the misfortune to make a business trip to Ohio. On the return flight, security was painfully slow. I watched this officious SOB "randomly" select all the well endowed young ladies for extra scrutiny. He didn't pat them down, but he got himself a good close-up look. Creep.
Roscoe| 11.20.09 @ 10:23AM
Mr. Hyman, for your edification, the award is named the Medal of Honor. Let's leave it to the the buffoon president alone, to disrespect the Medal of Honor, by referring to it incorrectly.
CDR Paul. Before you proffer any website that supposedly proves your argument, you might look into the background of the web address you provide as "evidence" that the name is correct. It's hardly an official source. I would suggest you refer to the official DoD website.
CDR Paul D| 11.20.09 @ 10:47AM
Roscoe,
Thank you for correcting me. Good advice.
Cheers, Paul
Rich Rostrom| 11.23.09 @ 1:51PM
Roscoe is "correct"; that is, cmohs.org is not an "official" source, if by that he means a government source. It is the site of the "Congressional Medal of Honor Society", which consists of the living holders of the Medal.
Maybe you and "Sgt Rock" can go over there and correct THEM.
james| 11.20.09 @ 10:44AM
Isn't this national health care gonna be great? Hey, we all have to die of something eventually. Might as well just get it over with.
The tree of liberty and the blood of patriots. Remember that country?
Al Adab| 11.20.09 @ 10:59AM
Does not the Declaration of Independance accuse King George of having sent myriads of agents among the people to steal their subsistance? Have we retirned to that point? If so, what might our solution be? We still have the ballott box but time is short and elections far off. Failing that rememdy, what might be our choice?
No one wishes the battle of ideas and ballotts to fail and we rightly fear what may follow. Our devotion to Constitutional government demands our energies and loyalties even at the sacrifice of personal comfort. The stakes could not be higher. Future generations will jusdge us on how we respond to the challenge of our time: Tyranny or Liberty. Never before has a nation faced the choice of voting itself into oblivion or restoring the light of Freedom to the world. Let us hope it is not yet too late.
Thomas| 11.20.09 @ 11:18AM
s to the problems with the TSA, what do you expect from virtual minimum wage employees, with little training or experience led by people with even less training and experience? You get what you pay for.
Now I am always amazed at the people who complain about having to follow the rules, no matter how ill thought out or even downright stupid those rules may be.
The public demands that standardized rules be put in place so that everyone is treated the same. Then they demand that those rules be followed, literally to the letter. Civil servants then, predictably, follow those rules. For to disregard the rules can lead to disciplinary action up to and including dismissal. What do people expect from a system that rewards conformity and punishes those that show initiative?
As evidenced by the post, most people consider themselves special. They should not have to suffer the inconvenience of having to abide by the rules. For them, the rules should be set aside. But, let the rules be set aside for someone else, no matter how good the reason, and they are usually the first to complain about "special treatment".
So decide now. Should we live in a society with little to no formal regulation or should we have strict, even handed enforcement of rules, regulations and laws? Your choice.
Dixie Pixie| 11.20.09 @ 12:24PM
Choice???? WHAT CHOICE.
Refuse and official gunmen will be at your door to inforce the bureaucratic decrees.
L. Ross| 11.20.09 @ 1:10PM
You know, Thomas, some people are entrusted with making life and death decisions in a moments time. Pilots, surgeons, policemen as examples. They are expected to know rules and procedures, and yet they are also expected to have judgement. The ability to judge an individual case on its individual merits, always keeping in mind the intent behind the rules. You see, breaking the letter of a rule while maintaning its intent is a far smaller problem than breaking the intent of a rule while following its letter. Boxcutters used to hijack aircraft are an example of the later. Shards of glass fashioned into a knife could be a totally current example.
What people find so infuriating is that somehow we have evolved a one size fits all application of rules with no room for judgement whatsoever. That is what people find infuriating. I don't know you Tom, but I'm guessing you are one of the people enforcing the rules and enjoying every minute of it.
Johnno| 11.22.09 @ 11:47PM
Yup, and probably feeling up the good looking female airline passengers.
Conrad Spiracy| 11.20.09 @ 3:50PM
Thomass,
Please reread the quite lucid piece by Mr. Hyman. I don't see anywhere where he complained about not being able to get around the rules. His complaint is that the rules are completely and utterly assinine. Just like you and the others who have criticized him.
Look up "unintended consequences" - you'll see a picture of our government machine.
Excelsior!
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Sgt Pebble| 11.22.09 @ 2:39AM
Same troll, different name. Go away Sgt. Rock.
Michael| 11.20.09 @ 11:39AM
"An octogenarian World War II hero was delayed and repeatedly searched when he attempted to board a plan carrying his Congressional Medal of Honor" - This was Joe Foss who 1. shot down 23 enemy planes over Guadalcanal. 2. Is a former Governor of South Dakota. 3. The MOH had FDR’s name and date on the back. 4. He had the original citation with him, and 5. He was vouched for by a Major General in full uniform (Greens) going to the same event that Governor Foss was attending.
It took two supervisors to decide not to take the MOH from Governor Foss and only when the General pointed out several woman passenger’s broaches with more sharp edges.
This has to go down as TSA’s finest moment.
Tim| 11.20.09 @ 12:05PM
That would be hard to top...
Pete| 11.20.09 @ 11:49AM
These are the types of jobs that are being "created" with the stimulus funds, that is, those funds left over after the fraud portion has been siphoned off.
Dixie Pixie| 11.20.09 @ 12:17PM
Gentleman and Ladys.
The People lost control of the government when we bought into the concept that far-seeing and wise intellectuals could run the country better through a rules based pyramidal bureaucratic architecture. The first concepts can be traced to the God-Kings of the Tigris and Euphrates river basins. The concept has been wreaking madness and havoc for 6000 years. The weird news Obama was elected as the latest reincarnation of a God-King.
The concept works great for the people at the top of the bureaucratic pyramid as they can change the rules to benefit themselves. For the rest of us the problem is such a structure is blind to a ever changing reality. Blunders are the norm not the exception. The system simply can not see reality.
The really bad news is the US Medical system is currently beening changed from a observation based system to a bureaucratic based system. If you think getting a government ID is a problem just wait until you get sick outside of the bureaucratic norms.
Al Adab| 11.20.09 @ 1:08PM
Dixie,
Truth will out. Once we bought into the "culture of entitlement" we were doomed. As long as some think they can have their "needs" met at the exoense of others, freedom suffers.
You are right to note that the entire history of civilization demonstrates that people prefer to be led than to govern themselves or at least to suffer while tyranny is sufferable as Jefferson put it. What that may mean for the American Republic remains to be seen but it does appear that time is short.
Radioman777| 11.20.09 @ 1:13PM
I think I might've met Sgt Rock once or twice. I fondly remember a SSgt giving me hell in a mobility line because my dogtags were in the wrong format. I pointed out to him that MPF, of which he was part, made the offending tags and if they were wrong, he should fix them without saying anything to me. Unfortunately, we have a lot of Sgt Rock's in all branches of the military. They make life miserable for anybody with any common sense. Same goes for just about any government agency, by the way.
Melvin| 11.20.09 @ 1:32PM
We used to call them, "B-Billet babies" The ones who made a career of having special duties and serving very little or no time in the FMF.
Conrad Spiracy| 11.20.09 @ 3:56PM
Right on. See the outtakes from "We Were Soldiers." The scene where the boot LT was conducting an inspection. Funnier than all-get-out.
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Rob| 11.20.09 @ 1:23PM
SGT, quit being stupid (you don't get a free pass to be a moron because you are enlisted and "served" any more than a moron who didn't serve). If you are offended by being called a "clerk", stop being a clerk and find another job that you are not ashamed of. And oh by the way, most clerks I deal with to get my worthless CAC cards are civilians. And no, because you have a CAC card doesn't mean you can log into any system. For every single computer, you will need to get registered. Defeats the whole point. Very stupid. And to the others, yeah, rules are important, but some rational thought should be used when applying. If I wanted a system run by monkeys, I would ask that we hire monkeys. And for those of you concerned about the wages of the TSA employees: they are not paid minimum wages. Their supervisors, often involved in these decisions, are extremely well paid. Remember, the average federal gov't employee's wage is higher than non-gov't wages. Not including their extravagent benefits. And, if a person is going to make some of these stupid decisions that were identified (and I have witnessed), no amount of training is going to provide them the ability to think rationally. Most people are sheeple.
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.20.09 @ 2:08PM
Folks,
Simply remember Ronald Reagan FIRING all the air traffic controllers AND their union.
We simply need to fire several million "government helpers/bureaucrats".
Fire their butts!
Jim| 11.20.09 @ 2:26PM
Imagine health care in their hands.
Choey| 11.20.09 @ 2:34PM
I still have warm memories of the time the TSA guy told me I couldn't carry my guitar on unless I took the strings off. The fact that there were several packages of spare strings in the case didn't bother him a bit.
tailgunner| 11.20.09 @ 3:01PM
Were your spare strings right next to your laptop with the SIX FOOT LONG POWER CORD?
Geez. Morons.
Art C| 11.20.09 @ 2:40PM
I recognize the problem. I work for a state gov court system. We also banned camera phones for a while,then when we ended up vouchering a truckload every day, we abandoned the practice. Also. bosses don't allow any discretion in their rules, partly because of the caliber of employee they must deal with and because they themselves are a product of the system they run.
Conrad Spiracy| 11.20.09 @ 4:02PM
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
T. Jefferson
Declaration of Independence
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philfl63| 11.20.09 @ 11:04PM
The TSA is another liberal jobs welfare program. It seems to be staffed by 99% minorities and women.
JimE| 11.22.09 @ 6:27PM
I concur, they don't seem to be very intelligent either.
SoCon| 11.22.09 @ 11:55PM
Nice cheap shot about women TSA staffers! What the hell does that mean? I know of plenty of stupid men, philfl63, and you're number one on my list. Oinker.
Tim Bollinger| 11.20.09 @ 11:27PM
All you need to know about government "intelligence" is that TSA requires airline flight crews to go through security as if they were potential terrorists. Apparantly it hasn't occurred to TSA that a pilot can bring down a plane quite easily even if his shoes don't contain a bomb. TSA has now had more than eight years since 9/11 to create a simplified system to expedite boarding for frequent fliers who have passed a security clearance--but, of course, that would reduce their power to harrass American citizens and get them to cow before unconstitutional intimidation.
Rmm| 11.22.09 @ 12:08PM
You of course realize that this does not apply to the 535 members of Congress who passed this beast of legislation.
george| 11.21.09 @ 12:01AM
A TSA worker is your worst nightmare. A welfare case with a badge.
Yosemeti Sam| 11.21.09 @ 10:13AM
Trouble is - them bureaucrats don't need no
stinking badges. They get their power or right
to enforce 'obedience' upon the people from the peoples' 'servants' in Congress. Ain't that rich!
How's that for " ... government of the people, by the people, and for the people ...."
Bureaucrats - thy name is SOCIALISM, near kin
to COMMUNISM.
Jim| 11.21.09 @ 10:47AM
This is frighteningly funny! As I read this article I could only think of the tactics of the soviets and nazis demanding your papers! Is this really happening here? No, I just woke up from a nightmare. Tell me this is just a nightmare please..........................
Fist of the Fleet| 11.21.09 @ 11:16AM
TSA
Thousands Standing Around
DaveS| 11.21.09 @ 12:27PM
Conversely, if you try (like I did) to make a point by showing your driver's license at a polling place the little election board volunteer per diem-idiots act like you just held up green kryptonite. What we need are TSA folks on the Supreme Court because they believe what their governing docum ents say.
Tony Walker| 11.21.09 @ 5:42PM
I have severe arthritis and have trouble lifting my arms to shoulder height. Get stopped and asked to raise my arms so they can wand me. I explain I need to place my hands against a wall in order to lift as pain levels won't allow me to just "raise" them. Get pulled aside into a separate room and told I will be arrested for not cooperating. Explain they better get a Supervisor because I'm about to file a lawsuit, suing for discrimination against the handicapped. They then decide letting me place my hands against the wall won't violate any rules and wand me, and I'm on my way. Morons, I walk with a cane, explained my problem and how we can still get the job done and they want to talk about arresting me for refusing to obey a order even when I say I'm not refusing I physically can't do it.
SoCon| 11.22.09 @ 11:58PM
That's disgusting. I don't even work for the moronic TSA and I still want to apologize to you! The thought of ObamaCare makes me want to puke.
God help us.
Richard Baker| 11.22.09 @ 9:58AM
Tony:
I had a total left knee replacement with a cobalt steel model. Went to the JAX airport to fly to Virginia and told the screener that I had a steel knee. The morons at the gate freaked out, I guess they thought I had a bomb in my knee, and took me to a room where I showed them the scar and they were satisfied that I wasn't a threat. This is what you get when the sick, lame, and lazy (an Army term) are given a jobs program with which to purchase their votes by our glorious Congress. Sic Semper Tyrannis.
Rmm| 11.22.09 @ 11:34AM
As an insider in the bureaucratic maze (USPS), I can attest to the lunatic edicts that come down from 'on high' that have not an ounce of common sense attached. The smart employees don't pay attention to the BS and go with what works.
The amazing thing is that management can't keep track of their own BS, so yesterdays stuff is quickly forgotten about, because they have moved on to a new day. Its an amazing way to run an bureaucracy, any bureaucracy.
Richard Baker| 11.22.09 @ 11:59AM
Rmm:
Enjoyed your post. Learned in the Army and formally at college, that bureaucracies have to justify their existences even if their efforts are nonsensical. It's the same idiocy that I saw as an Ammo SGT in my last Infantry unit. We'd go out on the last couple of weeks of the fiscal year and fire up damn near everything in the bunker so that we wouldn't have our allocation cut the next year. So wasted ammunition, un-neccessary wear and tear on small arms, mortar tubes, and everything else, and the cost of transport and troop time was justified because my Battalion Commander didn't want to lose any allocation. And 21st Infantry wasn't the only unit so doing.
Anonymous| 11.22.09 @ 1:27PM
Bureaucrats... ignorant, non-thinking clods just following instructions to quitting time and payday. (What'll healthcare be like with them running it? Better or worse?)
John Navratil| 11.22.09 @ 5:00PM
To access my airplane in Houston without escort I must have a security badge issued by the Airport. TSA requires everyone to view a video about use of the badge and has done so since the beginning.
After 9/11 everyone needed a badge so. Even though I do not work at the airport, the badge opens no doors or gates, since I had to get a badge I had to see the video. All part of the price, I suppose.
A few weeks ago, I got a 7AM call at my house saying, essentially, I needed to come in a see the video AGAIN.
Why? The TSA had no written proof I had seen it. When I asked where my original application for a badge with such proof was, the response what that since I hadn't had a badge for the last two years they had expunged the records. When I said that I had a badge continuously since 2002 they got quiet (I still got to see the mindless video).
So here I am, having passed the FBI background check to get the badge so I can access my own plane at a public airport and the people in charge of security didn't know I had it? We should all feel good about a security service which doesn't know to whom they have issued a badge!
Peter| 11.22.09 @ 6:17PM
Like many of you I have endured the stupidity of government officials (Drones does seem appropriate). I have a CAC card and I find ironic having accress to governemnt computers up to Top Secret clearance, but the garrison guard at the gate won't accept it to allow me on the post where I work. I keep my CAC card in plastric holder locked in my desk, because without I can't work. One day I drove thru the gate, but had left my wallet home. I was late to work and when I came to the guard's position it was a guard who knew me as he had seen my military ID hundreds of time and he knew my profession by my insignia. He asked where I worked. He appeared perplexed, but then said he wasn't supposed to do this, but he had an appointment with me in the next hour and it had taken three weeks to get it. His orders were to turn around anyone who didn't have proper ID, but he wasn't going to wait another 3 weeks a usual part of government health care. He said with a wink we work for a bunch of idiots that have no common sense and pity us if we really have a crisis of uninmanageable consequences as he waived me thru. I have just printed this piece and tomorrow I'll give it to him with a written comment. "We don't work for idiots, but a**holes on a power trip".
kastellos| 11.24.09 @ 9:16AM
First, I must admit that I am a drone.
While some of the stupidities highlighted in this article and in the comments are caused by the nameless faceless civil servants (drones) that have direct contact with the public, the majority of the problems are caused by the whore Congress who pass inane and stupid requirements and the highest level of drones who rely on private sector consultants (parasites to the drones) to formulate policy and procedures.
This is especially true in the "IT" and security segments of society. Since 9/11, Congress has given these people tremendous power and, like most with such power. they abuse it horribly. By abuse I don't mean the privacy freaks (I don't break laws, I don't sell drugs, I don't cheat on my wife, etc., so I am not really obsessed to preserve 100% of my privacy.), rather I mean the day to day hassle of using my computer, getting into a building, etc.
ArnePaul| 11.24.09 @ 1:24PM
I started to read this article but I noticed that my web browser is the 3.01, not the new issue 3.02, so therefore everything I see has expired and is invalid. I am ceasing to read this and all future articles on the web and alerting Homeland Security for possible sleeper cell activity.
Which reminds me, time for a nap.
AndrewDover| 11.25.09 @ 3:25PM
CACs can be authenticated electronically and crytographically. But you need a software program and a smartcard reader to do it.
ID cards such as driver's licenses can be counterfeited if you have the materials and skill.
Robert| 12.8.09 @ 1:07AM
So rather than declare war on Islam and annihilate Islam's cities and mosques, our government decides to try to fight a war entirely on defense, trying to guess who's a terrorist and who isn't at the airport gate. And so instead of destroying the enemy, we get the madness of searching 80-year old grandparents with arthritis, newborn babies, and selecting beautiful blondes for "security searches" so perverts can fondle their titties, all to create a mere ILLUSION of security, while getting none in actuality, AND losing some essential liberty. Maybe this sounds a bit crazy, but why not instead take down the metal detectors, have the security agents get real jobs, and publicly warn that the next time there is an incident with an American aircraft that spills blood, Mecca and Medina will both be gone, replaced by giant radioactive craters that nobody will be able to approach safely for thousands of years?
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