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I Was Lou Dobbs's Last Guest: Witness To a Star Reborn

By Jeffrey Lord on 11.16.09 @ 6:08AM

CNN ratings slide, brand damaged: Creators versus managers in PC media battle.

"I got up here and I started to open my mouth and the long and powerful arm of Mr. James Taylor reached into this sacred chamber and grabbed me by the scruff of the neck." --Jimmy Stewart as U.S. Senator Jefferson Smith in the 1939 Frank Capra classic, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington

"Vision is the art of seeing things invisible."-- Jonathan Swift

"You're speaking as though you believe America is a free country."

The speaker was longtime CNN journalist and commentator Lou Dobbs. Sitting across the table from him in the CNN studios in New York I was startled at the statement, a statement that was in fact a question. I was even more startled at what had transpired moments before -- when Dobbs, seated at another table a few feet away, an electronic American flag waving behind him -- looked America in the eye and announced he was leaving CNN after almost three decades. Without doubt I knew the reason for Dobbs' question.

What was originally scheduled as one more moment in television talk had just turned into something else entirely -- a dramatic climax in the escalating war against Dobbs's CNN show by what the New York Times identified quaintly as "progressive groups." Which is to say, not-so-quaintly, a war sponsored by politically correct forces opposed to free speech -- unless, of course, the speech involved is their own. But there was something else going on that night, something that was inspiring, of which more in a moment.

First the show itself.

I was a guest invited to discuss a series of columns in this space on what I perceived as an assault on conservative media and free speech by an interfaith coalition called So We Might See. (The columns and blog posts can be found here, here, here, here, here and here.)

One of the targets of this effort was Lou Dobbs, and the coalition's website was featuring a link to a campaign to "Drop Dobbs." As a member of the United Church of Christ, the church leader of this effort, I had received an e-mail inviting me to, among other things, join the effort to "Drop Dobbs" as well as throw Glenn Beck off the air as well. Church members were being asked to sign on to a petition to the FCC citing Rush Limbaugh for hate speech, while the media package cited Bill O'Reilly, Beck and Dobbs as guilty of hate speech. Beginning with the Woodward-Bernstein mantra of "follow the money," I discovered the money led directly to a group called the Media Democracy Fund, which was a partial funder of So We Might See and was itself partially funded by the left-wing billionaire George Soros.

The attendant publicity -- angry American Spectator readers of different faiths took matters into their own hands and began demanding answers from the leaders of the seven denominations involved -- resulted in dropping the "Drop Dobbs" campaign as well as the campaign to get Glenn Beck removed from television and radio. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops huddled and insisted on their own statement specifically rejecting the idea of participating in any attempt "to censor any organization, program or commentator." Which is to say, they were decidedly not signing on to any efforts to get Dobbs, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Beck or others. The United Methodists withdrew from the group entirely. The Disciples of Christ said no to the petition to the FCC that cited Rush Limbaugh for hate speech.

The revelations interested Dobbs. An invitation came in to me to appear on his radio show, which I accepted. Following that was an invite to New York to appear on his CNN show. As fate would have it, and certainly unknown to me ahead of time, this wound up making me his last solo guest. The irony, stunning in the moment, is that I was there to discuss columns that had successfully halted one effort to force him off CNN -- on the very night he was announcing he was leaving CNN and that the show I was participating in was, in fact, his last.

What happened?

Arriving early at CNN, located in the glittering glass towers of the Time-Warner complex on New York's Columbus Circle, I was in the Green Room passing the time with two young veterans of the Iraq War, who would be on before me. They were U.S. Army Sergeant Ariel Luna (A.J., he said with a shy smile) and 1st Lieutenant Megan Gingrich of the Air Force -- no relation to Newt, she laughed. It was Veterans Day, and the show was in part a well-deserved tribute to veterans like A.J. and Megan. Dobbs walked in and introductions were made. Smiling, he said, "Well, this is a momentous night." Momentous night? What was up with that, I wondered. I had chosen to drive to Staten Island, leave the car for the fabled Staten Island ferry and take the subway uptown to CNN. I had been out of touch with the media world for a couple hours -- had something happened? Another Ft. Hood-style shooting? Had the North Koreans launched a rocket? The Iranians dropped a bomb? The President made some surprise announcement? In the middle of CNN -- no clue.

Dobbs turned and headed into the adjacent studio, populated only by his camera crew and staff. Applause rang out. How charming, I thought. Having been on my share of TV talk shows, I'd never heard a crew and staff burst into applause when the host went on the set. Maybe, I thought, the Dobbs crew had a Broadway-esque ritual where they cheered Lou on as if gathered offstage before the curtain rises.

Into the Green Room came more guests, this time the participants in a political panel who would follow me. One, it turned out, I had met before -- syndicated columnist and National Review contributing editor Deroy Murdock. Among his many credits in a blossoming career, he has had the distinct honor of being named runner-up for "Worst Person in the World" by MSNBC's Keith Olbermann for writing a column called "Three Cheers for Waterboarding." I liked him already.

After the usual chit-chat, our attention turned to the two television monitors in the room as Lou Dobbs began yet another broadcast with the usual news update. Then it came. "Tonight I want to turn to a personal note, if I may, and address a matter that has raised some curiosity. This will be my last broadcast here on CNN..." Say what??!!! I looked at Deroy, who looked back. "Did you know about this?" he whispered, his face as stunned as I was sure was true of my own. "No!" I whispered back. Suddenly, I knew what Lou had meant when he said it was going to be a momentous night. Here's the link to Lou's statement.

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Lou Dobbs, CNN, So We Might See

About the Author

Jeffrey Lord is a former Reagan White House political director and author. He writes from Pennsylvania at jlpa1@aol.com.

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TennesseeVolunteer| 11.16.09 @ 6:53AM

Jeffrey, your finest article ever.
Lou dobbs will be just fine. He has thumbed his nose at a failing institution. at this very second, he will be working on something new and better. He knows his message can't be trumpeted from a failing network like CNN. We are in a fight for the very 'essence' of this country.
I don't agree with Lou on everything but he is one of us: the 'producers' of this nation, the Everyman, the Mr. Smiths, the Patriots.

Ed Moran| 11.16.09 @ 8:49AM

Ditto from me Tennessee Vol. Jeffrey's article gave true insight to the human toll of the PC operatives; my heart goes out to Lou's staff. Thanks for keeping things in perspective in regards to CNN and Lou's future. The line has been drawn.

metakid| 11.16.09 @ 12:26PM

I second that. Fine article. Thanks for bringing us back-stage. I too don't agree with everything Dobb says, but I respect him for his experience. I thought this video brought up something interesting : http://tiny.cc/6R172 - that how the criticism about him is an insult to the millions who agree with Dobbs on immigration.

MikeN| 11.16.09 @ 7:05AM

He left CNN about ten years ago, and came back then.

Bob| 11.16.09 @ 7:58AM

Jeffrey, Jeffrey..... This is NOT about ideology, it is about profits. News shows are expected to make a profit -- the shareholders demand it. Just as FOX "bends" the truth because it has developed an extreme right wing audience, MSNBC has changed the game by going strongly left where it can "bend" the truth in the other direction. MSNBC tends to be more factual than FOX, but it still dramatically bends the truth.

With the extreme right wing viewers going to FOX, it makes little sense for MSNBC and CNN to go after that audience. I'm sure CNN has done the audience research to determine the lowered ratings of Dobbs show reflected their increasingly left oriented audience. Therefore, they most likely pressured him to move left to increase the show's ratings.

While FOX leads the ratings, it is not about reach, it is about frequency. In fact, all of the cable news channels reach about the same audience. Here are the September reach numbers:

Nielsen Cable Network Coverage Estimates (as of September, 2009)
CNN/HLN: 99.098 million HHs
CNBC: 96.78 million HHs
FNC: 96.26 million HHs
MSNBC: 92.64 million HHs

This simply means the FOX viewers are more rabid/extreme since they watch the channel twice as much as CNN/MSNBC viewers. In other words, King viewers will not also watch Dobbs.

Perhaps you could write an article talking about how FOX News limits left wing discussion by biasing the facts, choosing very weak liberal hosts/guests, and showing misleading pictures (as was done with Hannity regarding the Bachmann rally)......

Nah.... I didn't think so.....

Pete2| 11.16.09 @ 8:51AM

What a bunch of tripe Bob..who are you, the left wing "truth" squad?.... you really wouldn't know oppression of speech if it hit you in the arse. Why don't you prattle your BS at Huff and Puff...they're used to fools blogging on their site.

marianne7| 11.16.09 @ 8:58AM

So, Bob, what's Georges Soros paying these days?

Indiana Alex| 11.16.09 @ 11:01AM

Hmm, they are "more rabid/extreme" because they watch twice as much?

Ignorance must truely be bliss.

No, "Bob", it's because there are twice as many of us.

Go try to get someone off the air that you disagree with.

John II| 11.16.09 @ 1:22PM

Contradiction, please.

Confucius say, "Man who claim all thought reducible to numbers merely propound bad thought."

Thank you so much.

BOB| 11.16.09 @ 5:39PM

TOOOOT!
ATTENTION, ALL YOU KNOT-HEADED, NONFACTUAL , NINCOMPOOPS! HOW DARE YOU ARGUE WITH BOB "THE SUPREME FACT MONGER"! YOU HAVE NO FACTS LIKE ME, OR COLIN POWELL, OR THAT LOVELY MAN DAVID BROOKS (WHICH DOESN'T MEAN I'M GAY, BUT IT WOULDN'T BOTHER ME ANYWAY IF I WAS!) OR MSNBC! TOOOT! I SNIFF AT YOU! SNIFF SNIFF!

ALL YOU UNEDUCATED PILOTS, DOCTORS AND NON IVY LEAGUE MBA HOLDERS ARE FOOLISH YORKIES, YAPPING AT OUR MIGHTY SUPER KNOWLEDGE HEMLINES! TOOOOOT! ( I USE HEMLINES METAPHORICALLY, SINCE I DON'T WEAR A DRESS - BUT IT WOULDN'T BOTHER ME IF I DID! I AM OPEN MINDED, AND SOPHISTICATED - SO I MAY JUST START WEARING A DRESS JUST TO UPSET YOU BUTTINSKIES! YEAH, I THINK I WILL TOOOOOOOT!)

YOU SEE, THIS JEFFERY LORD FELLOW WASN'T WRITING ABOUT LOU DOBBS! HE WAS WRITING ABOUT ME, BOB THE WISE, BOB THE ALL KNOWING, BOB THE MAN WHO NOW UNDERSTANDS MORE ABOUT TV RATINGS THAT THOSE SIMPLETONS AT FOX NEWS, BOB THE CEO OF 135 OF FORTUNE 135 COMPANIES, BOB THE GUY WHO WILL FROM NOW ON WEAR ONLY DRESSES! ) I KNOW ALL, SO WHY ARGUE WITH ME, YOU PESKY, PETULANT PIPSQUEAKS! TOOTY TOOT TOOT!

JimE| 11.16.09 @ 5:53PM

MORON ALERT!

BOB| 11.16.09 @ 6:02PM

TOOOOOT! THANK YOU, JimE! AT FIRST I MISTOOK YOU FOR A MORON FOR SPELLING A FAIRLY SIMPLE NAME IN SUCH A STRANGE AND FOREIGN FASHION! TOOOOOT! BUT I SEE YOU ARE JOINING ME, COLLIN POWELL, AND DAVID BROOKS - THAT SIMPLY WONDERFUL MAN - IN OUR FIGHT AGAINST NONFACTUAL, NATTERING, NUMSKULLS! YOU SHALL BE REWARDED!

Nick| 11.16.09 @ 6:13PM

Ignore 3/5 Bob, folks.

And not because we DISAGREE with what he writes. But because he is ignorant and not well educated.

For those who don't know, until recently (last June), 3/5 Bob thought that blacks had 3/5 of a vote under the U.S. Constitution, as originally written.

He also doesn't know when human life begins because he doesn't know when "ensoulment" happens.

I've been informed that he once tried to falsely claim he translated the Bible from the original Aramiac and Ran destroyed him.

So you see, he is n0t worth your time.

HENRY| 11.16.09 @ 6:42PM

dolt.........

bobc| 11.17.09 @ 11:00AM

If this is all about ratings, then why isn't Campbell off the air? Her ratings are horrible!

LaRaza, MALDEF were after Lou, because they have their own agenda concerning our immigration laws, as well as not wanting them enforced.

Then when Obama spent us into oblivion, I would assume the elite at CNN, decided Lou should not speak of anything Obama has been doing or not doing!

The far left and thugs think the only people who can have access to free speech, are them!

Start reading about Obama's czars, you will find some interesting facts about these people!

martin j smith| 11.16.09 @ 8:30AM

Bob: congratulations !!!! You are Provocateur !!! Yes --stand up-bow and take the prize--You are identified as a provocateur who is so obvious --what are Move on. org. or media matters huh ? It doesn not matter .

Here are two specific examples from Bob's post that illustrate my point: He calls Fos viewers "extreme" but of course other views say of CNN are all hokey dokey - ? This is the typical Left Democraqt line--demonize your opponent.
Another example:

For others i say this DO NOT ENGAGE WITH BOB. He will play ping pong with you. There is another poster LR ( aka liberal reader ) same things ). It one thing to have a point of view but its another when you get the spin without truth or substance.
Example two: he complains that Fox limits liberal thoughts and uses "weak" speakers.

In experience Fos comp[ared with ANY of these stations goes out their way to allow real debate whereas CNN-et al do not give ANY substantive Right of Center coverage. Take the TEA PARTY coverage--all insults all the time.

So I go back to my original point. This gy is a seminar poster--do not just react tyo what he writes, but ask yourself who this guy really is ?

Pete2| 11.16.09 @ 8:53AM

I agree with you on this but I couldn't resist taking a parting shot of this fool. You're right. he's nothing more than a left winger who's function is to disrupt discussion that doesn't fit the left's idea of speech. Every blog has one( or is it the same fools blogging under different names?).

Bob| 11.16.09 @ 9:04AM

Yes, and all blogs have a plethora of lemmings like you who refuse to argue on the basis of fact. Welcome to the world of "group think"....

Tomas| 11.17.09 @ 1:33AM

Back to your group, Bob.

Bob| 11.16.09 @ 8:43AM

Martin, thank you for proving my point. First, I used the word "extreme" to engender responses like yours, i.e., devoid of factual discussion. But to complain that FOX doesn't use weak liberal speakers and limits liberal thoughts is just plain dumb.

What am I? A strong fiscal conservative who is also a social libertarian (i.e., pro-choice). I believe in education and will not vote for idiots like Palin. My guy was Romney -- a smart, educated, successful guy who did not push a social conservative agenda when he was Governor of Massachusetts.

I do not hide who I am or what I believe in....

JoshInHB| 11.16.09 @ 10:09AM

Romney is a true progressive.

Conservatives shouldn't touch that guy with a 20 foot pole.

His great "achievement" as govenor, according to him, was sticking MA with Pelosi-care.

JHB| 11.16.09 @ 10:34PM

Bobs choice of Romney as "his guy" shows his true colors. As a resident of Taxachusetts I can tell you the only way Romney differs from a liberal pol is the frog takes a little longer to cook.

Mattled| 11.16.09 @ 8:49AM

I have been in media twenty plus years and have a very close relative who works at ONN---Obama News Network. Your Fox talking points are baseless.

MSNBC tens to be more factual? Hannity claims to be a Reagan Republican----PMSNBC CLAIM to be just "objective" journalists.

Please; take you social librarianism someplace else.

Bob| 11.16.09 @ 8:58AM

Are you really saying that any of these "news" channels are objective? Go to politifact.com or factcheck.org and actually check the facts rather than just drinking the KoolAid. We don't have any objectivity in news anymore. MSNBC is skewed to the left just as much as FOX is skewed right. However, MSNBC is more factually correct -- check it out and get back to me...

JimE| 11.16.09 @ 5:56PM

Bob,
You are are moron, please spare us your fiscal conservative trash. You are a lefist useful idiot and your past posts prove it.

Bram| 11.16.09 @ 9:03AM

The last independent (non-PC, non-party-line left winger) is purged from CNN. It is a notable milestone of a long-running trend.

Sue| 11.16.09 @ 9:03AM

Well, well Bob. Let's see: you're a "fiscal conservative" and a "social libertarian." Nice try, but your post does not support these facts. If FOX presents weak liberal speakers, how in the world can you be the above? Come on, Charlie Rangel, Barney Frank, et al ad nauseum and those are the "leaders" of the democrat party.

And, you completely blew your attempted "cover" when you called out Palin as an "idiot" but the above two representatives of the democrat party are what? The most intelligent representatives the party has to offer? Name-calling is what usually exposes the "fake" conservatives.

I'm trying my best to write this without the "name-calling," but somehow those two names just cry out for "something-calling" but I'm unsure as to what it could be.

Sorry about you.

Bob| 11.16.09 @ 9:12AM

So, Sue, the leaders of of the Democrats are Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. Perhaps you can tell me how often they have been on FOX???? What about Alan Colmes? Are there any "liberal", or even "centrist" hosts? Facts??? You are quite funny.

As for being a fiscal conservative, I was against the bailouts, said that the bulk of the stimulus was wasted, and said that the public option will not work, want health insurance to be national to increase competition and am for tort reform. I've been consistent on this as long as I've posted.

I also believe the Republican party has been hijacked by right wing, social conservative, extremists which is why the party is smaller than at any time in recent history.

Leave the government out of my fiscal life and leave the government out of my private life and bedroom. Support term limits and and utilize facts and analysis rather than lies.

Serge from Wellington| 11.16.09 @ 1:05PM

Even from here - from the other side of the globe - one can see without telescope that Bob is trying hard to talk away the very subject of the event and the discussed article: the relentless drive to suppress free speech in America on the part of left-wing zealots, to quote Mr J Lord.

Who cares what kind of crypto-communist crossbreed you are, Bob? You won't entice an oldish hooker to your bedroom with a bach in the Ritz, so don't pretend that someone is interested to enter it forcibly. In other words, stop trolling, please.

alyeska| 11.16.09 @ 1:36PM

dear bob:

welcome to the world of the "free-speech" defending wingnut right. however, they don't want your type hereabouts -- so you best be on your way :)

Todd| 11.16.09 @ 2:48PM

Gee Bob, last I checked I don't think that clown Geraldo Rivera was a right-winger or even Greta Van Sustren for that matter. Juan Williams and Bob Beckel get all the face time they could want. You are clearly a jerk-off so I won't waste my time arguing with you but you are incapable of being objective as much as you claim you are. Full of crap as always.

Ken (Old Texican)| 11.16.09 @ 9:05AM

Bob, Bob, Bob
Why spend time here, boob?
If we are the nutcase fringe...then go on back and drool over the umpteen shows and sites where you "mainstream types" drool...and shiver while we take our country back.

Mr. Lord,
Thank you for your insights here. I hope Mr. Dobbs drops in today to read your column, and hopefully even some of our comments. Has it occurred to you that he may in fact be one of my "canaries in the coal-mine" examples?

I always thought of Lou as the quintessential "moderate" sorta' right down the center, calling different shots as he saw them.

My take is again that our country is at one of those crucial watershed, (as in Continental watershed), intervals. Right in these days the "raindrops and snow-melt drops" are trembling on a continental divide to which there is no returning.

...Either we slide into a desert of tyranny, or we tip over into a new bright meadow of freedom and liberty.
I speak for millions when I say..."Yes I still live in a free country." The only way the communists, (pardon the shorthand),can change that is to kill me...and those millions.

Finally, Lou, as you begin your new life chapter, I hope you will recall the writings of Victor Frankl.
A little paperback book distills his revered life as Frued's successor. ("Man's Search For Meaning").
Fare thee always well.

Mattled| 11.16.09 @ 9:43AM

Mr. Lord,

Can you arrange for some forum editing to keep the usual serial trollers from spouting their Media Mudders talking points?

Thank you.

alyeska| 11.16.09 @ 1:38PM

you know, matt, you could just cover your ears and whistle when you don't want to be exposed to facts :)

Tim| 11.16.09 @ 2:36PM

Limit daily posts on the same thread to 48 or less. Only Toddard and Bob would be affected...

martin j smith| 11.16.09 @ 10:05AM

Let me define my terms: a seminar poster is one who posts only to sprout his or her point of view as propaganda.
Another term: provocateur: One posts for the express purpose of disruption and agitation. This goes back to outrageous lies like who he claims to be.

So, in conclusion I will leave discussion with the following: 1) Remember Obama's war on fox news ? Why is he so threatened huh ? I understand he asks Democrats not appear on FOX imagine that ?
2) In my humble opinion. Call yourself whatever you want. You are a seminar poster and provocateur.
Notice that he does a few things that represent the Democratic Playbook against any who disagree with them:
One: He villifies them
Two: he lies
Three: he dismisses out of hand any argument but his own.

Bram| 11.16.09 @ 10:21AM

Martin,

Good synopsis of Troll methodology. I have trained my eyes to instinctively spot their blather and automatically skip to the next comment written by thinking human. Don't feed or acknowledge them. Eventually they will move out of Mom’s basement and have to deal with the world as it really is.

Curtis Rasmussen| 11.16.09 @ 12:54PM

Also see 'concern troll'

Through conservative statements a concern troll will try to convince you he's on your side but then submit subtle distortions and outright lies that align with their socialist radical thoughts or those of their handlers.

Bob the radical slob is one of them.

Bob's prime example: "What am I? A strong fiscal conservative who is also a social libertarian (i.e., pro-choice). I believe in education and will not vote for idiots like Palin. My guy was Romney -- a smart, educated, successful guy who did not push a social conservative agenda when he was Governor of Massachusetts."

Real conservative bad. RINO that ruined his state with a tax sucking black hole trainwreck of a government healthcare plan good. Next, Bob will use Romneycare as a shining beacon for Obamacare. Just setting up another concern troll straw man for later.

alyeska| 11.16.09 @ 1:41PM

wow, all these names for a guy who just expressed a different opinion?

now, who is it who feels threatened?

Bram| 11.16.09 @ 2:45PM

Trolls don't express a different opinion with polite discourse. They post over and over and respond to many comments.

Look how many comments "Bob" left here and "SL Toddard" left on other articles today. They don't debate or express. They disrupt, insult, and lie.

DVG| 11.16.09 @ 10:21AM

The mgr viewpoint has relevance in pro baseball.
The Yankees were kings ....until CBS bought them.
There went the dynasty's.

George bought the team and voila...a winner.

When TW bought the Atlanta Braves I was of the opnion that the Braves would decline. They did.

Baseball's roots were from the Cincinnati Redlegs.
A PROFESSIONAL team going city to city to take all comers. Today's Yankees follow in that tradition.

I hope Mr Dobbs does run for office. This country needs someone who actually acts like he gives *&^*&^.

Lastly, someone has to shine the light on George Soros. The vampire that he is needs to be exposed.

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Bob| 11.16.09 @ 10:48AM

Martin...

"Let me define my terms: a seminar poster is one who posts only to sprout his or her point of view as propaganda."

You mean like everyone here????

"This goes back to outrageous lies like who he claims to be."

Again, AmSpec knows who I am and my point of view has been consistent. Face it, you just don't want to believe that a Colin Powell/Brooks/Frum fiscal conservative can also be a social libertarian and support pro-choice and gay marriage agendas. Freedom is giving choice to everyone.

There is significant reason to "vilify" you and others for your lack of factual responses and logic. The fact that you don't want to argue on the merits is evidence of that "extremist" behavior. Perhaps if you made a cogent argument, we could discuss it.

Richard| 11.16.09 @ 1:22PM

Bob,
All those that you mentioned that have not been on FOX News, Obama, Pelosi, etc., because they have refused to come on. They been asked multiple times, but have refused. Could it be that they are hiding something or maybe FOX doesn't tow the Party line and they would looked like Fools or Liars or both when asked serious questions about this country and their policies. Bob get your story straight before you accuse all these people that blog here.

rabbidrightwinger| 11.16.09 @ 11:05AM

Bob...as such an astute fact checker you should know that such heavyweight lefties as Pelosi, Reid et al have standing invitations to come on FNC. The problem is they aren't interested in debating the facts.

Bob| 11.16.09 @ 12:57PM

Rabbid -- You also realize that Dick Cheney, Palin, and the Republican leadership also have standing invitations to appear on MSNBC. Do they?????

Face it, these are all worthless politicians on both the right and left who don't really want to debate on substance. They'd rather have soft balls thrown at them by their friends. Barney Frank happens to be an exception -- he delights in throwing his homosexuality at the Fox audience.

Serge from Wellington| 11.16.09 @ 1:16PM

Standing invitations all of them may have... but have you ever heard about any media personality to be chased from the job by a right wing campaign?

Two warnings: "right wing" is not a pejorative term; and Sen. McCarty's crusade is a wrong answer.

Doctor Right| 11.16.09 @ 11:08AM

Once again, the idiots on the Left have shot themselves in the foot...Funny, isn't it?

These zealots are so stupid, it's almost pathological. Their actions have increased the likelihood that Lou Dobb's message will proliferate, not disintegrate.

Lou Dobbs will probably find a home on FOX, where his audience will increase ten-fold over anything he enjoyed at CNN, which is a dying network. His common-sense, centrist message (which, as an unapologetic Conservative I don't always agree with) will make it harder for Left-wing loonies and the Obama administration to portray FOX as a right-wing network. The viewers he attracts to FOX will also strengthen FOX's bottom-line, thus solidifying the lead they currently possess in viewership over rest of the mainstream media's "news" programs.

I have been listening to Mr. Dobb's radio-show lately, and although he portray's himself with the oxymoronic title of a "radical moderate", most of his opinions (gay marriage aside) sound solidly Conservative. One can assume that that this recent episode, which included shots being fired at his house while his wife stood in the driveway, will push him further into the Conservative camp despite his stated centrist leanings.

Dobbs understands the plain truth that America under Obama and the radical left is NOT a free country. He is better off for leaving CNN, and any network (are you listening, FOX?) that signs him will be better off, as well.

Ya' gotta' love the Left...Their arrogance always works against them.

alyeska| 11.16.09 @ 1:47PM

"illegal immigrants are causing a rise in leprosy in the us" is a common-sense, centrist message? keep it up guys -- you can't get elected without the latino vote -- they are your natural constituents, and they are leaving your party in droves because of extremists like lou dobbs.

cheney/palin in 2012

Majito Querido| 11.16.09 @ 5:29PM

Oye mami Alyeska, let me introduce to some real latino facts...latinos don't like to vote...of the legal latinos that can vote only 39% are registered and of this 39% only 30% do vote in election day...so this idea that somehow you are going to get 20 million votes if only the illegal immigrants would vote is a nice fallacy...which brings to mind...20 million plus is thrown out there all of the time, but who have counted these humans? It's a bunch of hogwash...btw about 50% of the illegals have returned to their homeland because jobs have disappeared. If you could read Spanish, just a simple glance to the Mexican news sites and you'll see how their schools were overwhelmed by the number of students arriving with their parents returning to good ol'mexico baby...

ken (Old Texican)| 11.16.09 @ 7:12PM

Majito...are you an honest American citizen?
A wetback?
The son of a wetback?

Whatever... welcome back to Mexico, the corruption school of the world.
Stay! Stay!

Anthony| 11.16.09 @ 11:35AM

That sound we Americans are hearing is the sound of heavy jackbooted thugs reprising human history, with their iron fisted demand for censorship and Orwellian conformity.
Our balkenized society is becoming more and more a power-keg that's about to explode; thank you President Obama, our post racial healer and unifier. The use of faceless unaccountable regulatory bodies to control speech and other of our activities was predicted years ago. Leftist groups, such as the UCC and others, use their "benign" status to wreak havoc on our democratic way of life.
They are relentless and will not stop until we stop them. The only question that remains is how ugly will it get before these Stalinists are beaten back?

Blackwatch/5.56 voter| 11.17.09 @ 12:02AM

The embrace of the creeping evil known as socialism/fascism/communism by the Govt./Corporations/Democrat Media vvirus is why I only spend my money on NON-US labor union produced products, non-GM/Chrysler vehicles, and I won't buy or sell/endorse any G.E. products to my clients.

The above are all scum--and that's an insult to scum.

Long Live the Republic!

Margie| 11.16.09 @ 12:02PM

NY Post reporting Dobbs was paid 8 mil to leeave CNN.
Lou Dobbs is a Libertarian. I've heard he MAY be considering a run for the Presidency. If he does that he will serve as the next Ross Perot in splitting the vote and causing Obama II. That's just reality.
Like Ron Paul, Dobbs may be a "nice" man and all, but Libertarians have an agenda that is not good for America. If that Party ever got control of this country it would be a disaster. We would be jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
Libertarians don't believe we should have laws against anything. This is why the hate the Republican Party and why they are seeking its demise.
Libertarians, according to their numerous websites, are Pro abortion, PRO homosexual "Marriage," and believe in the LIBERAL philosiphy of "Live and Let Live." This is the old 60's hippie agenda revisited.
I know Lou Dobbs is NOT an open borders Libertarian. He is a good man, and I absolutely respect him, however I cannot and will not support his or anybody's run for Pres. as a Libertarian.

Adam Smith| 11.16.09 @ 1:00PM

Margie, you are sounding a tad shrill and alarmist this morning and are very much representative of the GOP only, self styled "conservatives" that gave us Newt, Bob Dole, Maverick, Cap n Tax Graham and Rev. Mike Hucksterbee.

In short, this type of thinking is what has gotten us to where we are now.

Your deliberate mischaracterization of conservative libertarians (the ones now speaking out against all the madness from both sides of the aisle, or perhaps "isle" would be more correct in referencing DC) sounds more like the ideological bleating one would hear at Kos or Huffpo.

We don't want the destruction of the Republicrat party, we want some sanity brought back to it and some principle.

I repect your values Margie, but think you are as clearly as out of touch as the GOP leadership.

This is not a brand marketing war any longer. This is a battle for America at this point and the values our Founding Fathers used to craft our constitution and bill of rights.

The Republicans simply do not know how to define themselves and have allowed the Dems to define and malign them for decades.
Independent, true conservatives (not political partisans) are going to help reshape the message, and get the GOP back in touch with what it's platform is supposed to be about.

Margie| 11.16.09 @ 1:48PM

Adam,
Talk about misrepresenting! It seems you and Toddard are on the same team!
Nice try.
More deceit.
So tell me, Adam~~
Do you believe in a NON-Interventionist America?
Do you believe there should be no laws concerning morality?
You see, I believe that Fortress America is WRONG. I think it is a dangerous philosophy. It's the old Flower Power 60's revisited. I also believe we are a country of laws, and should keep it that way.
Your trying to attach the "moderate" label to me is a joke.
I always back conservatives and always will. You've said you don't back Sarah Palin, and try to say there are "things" we don't know about her, etc. ~~Well that is my test. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who doesn't back her is NOT a conservative.
Libertarians do not like her.
So, give it up Adam. How can you bash the Republican Party and at the same time bash conservatives?

Adam Smith| 11.16.09 @ 2:16PM

A couple of quick points Margie:

I do not allow debate opponents to define me.

You did not see me calling you "moderate", but rather out of touch with what true conservatism really is all about.

After reading your response, I stand by that assesment.

And no, I am a common sense conservative and realize America does not live in a buble. Intervention is sometimes necessary, but not in the manner we have been doing it of late. Smart intervention yes.

Recklessly not considering the consequences of what you are setting in motion, long term, has led to the mess we are now in.

Specifically, a massively unfocused strategy being pursued by a politically correct military, that many would be right to question just how serious they are about the problem we are facing.

So, once again I respect your values, but not your grasp of how serious a situation we are in right now as a nation, and as citizen taxpayers.

You are doing yourself a disservice with the simplistic partisanship.
One only need look around, with truly opened eyes at what has happened to this country, to see that.

Cheers, talk to you later.

Margie| 11.16.09 @ 2:41PM

Well Adam,
I don't allow debate opponents to define me, as you try to. And whether or not you used the term moderate doesn't matter. Your snarky underhanded way of saying it is quite obvious.
"Smart" intervention? I see. That would be only if we are attacked on our own shores? It's still Non-Interventionism. The Libertarian "view" for America.
So far, I'm not wrong, am I?
My "simplistic partisanship?" Exactly. That's what they say about Sarah Palin. She's simplistic, stupid, etc. I notice you avoided what I said about your stance toward her.
My "simplistic" view for America is for Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
I notice you also did not address the question of being a country of laws. Too simplistic for you, eh?

Adam Smith| 11.16.09 @ 5:15PM

Margie,

You just accused me of being on the same team as Toddy?

My response is Bob & Toddy are laughing thier rears off right now.

You want to know why I will not support Palin in a primary, then give me an email address. I am not going to aid the liberals in tearing her apart. If you think I would vote for a lib or Dem instead of her head to head....you are nuts.

I don't care to take the rest of your post apart, this has become a bit of a sideshow to Mr. Lords excellent article.

Now, I have some wood to split ahead of the storm moving in.

Margie| 11.16.09 @ 5:42PM

"If you think I would vote for a lib or Dem instead of her head to head....you are nuts."
~Just as I would not vote for a Lib or a Dem instead of any Republican, Adam.
~So it's ok for you, but not for me? If I choose to vote that way I am not a "true" conservative? Hypocrite!
You're a snarky little snot IMHO.
I pointed out the Libertarian platform and you took offense. It isn't conservative. Not my problem if you don't like me exposing it.

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Margie| 11.16.09 @ 12:26PM

Libertarians are also "Non-Interventionists." They believe that the United States should stop "acting as the Policemen of the World," and to cease all such activities. (Can we say, Toddard?)
They also believe if you want to take your own life, you should be allowed to. Can we say Kevorkian?
Some try and call themselves conservative. THIS is NOT conservative!

tj| 11.16.09 @ 12:32PM

Bob| 11.16.09 @ 7:58AM

Bob, Bob, Bob please go get a real job... it amazes me you trolls have nothing better to do with your time...NOT Boy at the RATE SORO'S IS SPENING MONEY TO GET YOU PEOPLE TO SPEW GARBAGE... instead of talking points.. he should be just about broke come next election...PICKET SOROS BRING THE MAN DOWN WITH HIS OWN RULES>>>LET'S ROLL. Get the garbage out of the country....

Bob| 11.16.09 @ 1:03PM

TJ, did you say you were leaving the country???

By the way, the original Conservative foreign policy position was non-interventionist -- that is the only prudent fiscally conservative position to take. And there is nothing wrong with people having more control over their lives and preventing people like you from doing as they wish with their own bodies. Neo-conservatives have ruined the Republican party and you are doing the same by injecting religion into politics.

victor| 11.16.09 @ 6:25PM

Hey, Bob,
When was the original Conservative foreign policy?
BTW the Founders all believed that religion and faith belonged in the public square and in government.
Moderates and isolationists are what ruined the Republican Party, not Conservatives.
Go read the original Republican Party from 1856.
Abolitionists, Free-Soilers and anti-slavery Democrats made up the party.
The party platform supported "popular sovereignty" for settling the question of slavery in new territories, which meant "State's Rights".
Another plank was to abolish polygamy, meaning that marriage was "One man, One woman".
Their slogan was:
"Free Speech. Free Press. Free Soil. Free Men".
Pretty straight forward, but nothing about Foreign Policy though.

George| 11.16.09 @ 12:41PM

Mr. Lord has hit the nail on the head! There are controlling individuals that have influence and money and want to direct others in any way that they can. I never watched Mr. Dobbs very often. When I did I found his point of view to be logical and based on a respect for the facts as they are not as he wished they would be. We need more such discussion today and his abscence in this repect will be noticable. He will find a way to get out there and be heard and all then all the idiots who somehow lost their own way can once again try to foil free discourse.

Grzmlyk| 11.16.09 @ 12:44PM

Peace is difficult to achieve.

But now that I've stopped reading Bob's posts, I'm much closer to it.

Bob| 11.16.09 @ 1:06PM

Good.... Now I don't have to listen to more vapid responses....

Bob| 11.16.09 @ 12:53PM

Tj, I have a real job. I work for the gay marriage rights movement. A subject near and dear to my heart. On the weekends I volunteer as a towl boy at the bath houses. So, Please don't tell me I dont have a career.

Bob| 11.16.09 @ 1:05PM

So, TJ, responding to your own posts???? And how do YOU know about "towl" boys???? Hmmmm....

Adam Smith| 11.16.09 @ 1:08PM

Bob| 11.16.09 @ 12:53PM
Tj, I have a real job. I work for the gay marriage rights movement. A subject near and dear to my heart. On the weekends I volunteer as a towl boy at the bath houses. So, Please don't tell me I dont have a career.
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Saved for posterity :-)

Serge from Wellington| 11.16.09 @ 1:26PM

Would you please post towl boy's job description? Uncensored, if possible. Thanks!

Adam| 11.16.09 @ 5:21PM

Bob is priceless isn't he?

AmSpec's gift from the V to provide diversion and entertainment.

Towl boy may not be a job description, but some verb...and the whole "boy" thing smacks of racism!

Ned| 11.16.09 @ 12:58PM

Memo to CNN:

Dobbs is the only reason I allowed CNN to remain programmed in my televisons... lacking him, I see no reason to keep you... and what company you will keep... CNN joins QVC and MSNBC in TV oblivion, at least at my house....

Paul from SA| 11.16.09 @ 1:36PM

Jeffrey Lord, I watched that episode. You were older than I imagined. I thought you were a youngster! (It's a compliment.)

Lou Dobbs has a point-of-view that is missing elsewhere on TV. He was the only reason I ever watched CNN. It is a huge loss for CNN, but it had to happen. It's good for both parties. He does not belong with group-think liberals. He needs freedom to speak.

Nick| 11.16.09 @ 2:24PM

Ignore 3/5 Bob, folks.

And not because we DISAGREE with what he writes. But because he is ignorant and not well educated.

For those who don't know, until recently (last June), 3/5 Bob thought that blacks had 3/5 of a vote under the U.S. Constitution, as originally written.

He also doesn't know when human life begins because he doesn't know when "ensoulment" happens.

I've been informed that he once tried to falsely claim he translated the Bible from the original Aramiac and Ran destroyed him.

So you see, he is n0t worth your time.

Nick| 11.16.09 @ 2:27PM

One more thing. Don't pick on Liberal/Marxist Reader too much. Especially on a Lou Dobbs thread.

Mr. Military Occupational STRATEGY might take another shot at Mr. Dobbs' house.

Jeffrey Lord| 11.16.09 @ 3:19PM

To All Above...

Would love to respond...Alas, someone who is apparently not a fan of Lou Dobbs..or perhaps me (me???!!!) ...decided to respond by hacking and shutting my computer down. Which, momentarily I assure you, they have managed to do. But keep at it here. Free speech lives...unless, of course, you're my computer!

Thanks for all the comments...

Adam Smith| 11.16.09 @ 5:28PM

Jeffrey,

Loved the interview with Dobbs & was nice to put a face to a name.

I would love to hear your thoughts on the entire media, including Fox, painting him as "anti-immigration", when he is only "anti-illegal immigration".

A not so sublte distinction that even Hannity has tarred him with.

Always enjoy the read and sorry to hear about the hacking. The enemy are a bunch of thugs who will do what they can to stiffle free speech.

Unless you're in China. Then they want to hear from you...

Regards and thanks.

Margie| 11.16.09 @ 6:01PM

Seeing as how you like to "paint" others in a false light, I question your statement here about Hannity claiming Lou Dobbs is anti-immigration.
Unless Dobbs is a protectionist, and if he is, then it would make sense. I'm going to ask Sean myself.

Carl G. Pyper| 11.16.09 @ 4:29PM

"...a dramatic climax in the escalating war against Dobbs's CNN show by what the New York Times identified quaintly as "progressive groups." Which is to say, not-so-quaintly, a war sponsored by politically correct forces opposed to free speech -- unless, of course, the speech involved is their own."

In other words: "...a dramatic climax in the escalating war against Dobbs's CNN show by what the New York Times identified quaintly as "progressive groups." Which is to say...a war sponsored by COMMUNIST FIFTH COLUMNIST forces opposed to free speech -- unless, of course, the speech involved is their own.

jr| 11.16.09 @ 5:14PM

Most of these comments have lost the essence of the article -- and instead developed into this and that about a worthless Bob. Bob, did you vote for the One, Messiah, 1/2 black, Hopey-Changey, etc.? With the exit of Dobbs, there is no one else left there to listen to or watch. The excise of Dobbs is that upon which Hitler was born and raised. Now we have Obama and within a few years people will be wondering why they are being watched 24 hours a day.

Keith I.| 11.16.09 @ 6:31PM

jr,
Thank you for redirecting the conversation away from Bob (he was succedding in his desire to blur the essence of Mr. Lord's fine article). The most salient aspect of Mr. Lord's article was the discussion of "creators" vs. "managers". It is the creators whose irrepressible spirit built this wonderful country out of whole cloth who are routinely villified by the leachers and hanger on. Hank Reardon anyone? How about Dagney Taggert? (sadly our real life Hank Reardon's are ofetn shamed into being embarrassed for their success (are you listening Mr. Gates)

We are allowing the Prescott Towey's to set the ground rules while we go about our lives caring for our families, building things and employing people. The left simply can't tolerate independence of thought or vision or the desire to create. Yet as they choke the spirit off they ensure their one demise, because they incapable of surviving in any other manner than that of the parasite.

CopyKatnj| 11.16.09 @ 6:48PM

I had read about the shots fired at Lou Dobb's home prior to his announcement to leave CNN. Other than this article I had not seen it mentioned again in any MSM article about Mr. Dobbs's departure. Why is that?

CopyKatnj| 11.16.09 @ 6:52PM

I just read that Lou Dobbs will be on "The O'Reilly Factor" this evening.

Bydand76| 11.16.09 @ 7:12PM

Good article.

I will say that I did not agree with Mr. Dobbs but that is nothing extraordinary. I dont agree with anyone 100%.

I will say this.

The man has class and dignity par none.

Interesting to note that he has a Latina wife.

Good luck Mr Dobbs. I hope and pray the best for you !

Blackwatch/5.56 voter| 11.17.09 @ 12:15AM

Latinas are hot!

sorry that's racist. my bad.

Bydand76| 11.17.09 @ 6:30AM

How is that racist?

Latina's ARE hot. The accent is delicious too!

If that makes me a racist then oh freakin well!

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John| 11.18.09 @ 10:20PM

Soledad O’Brien is such a phony. In April 2008, Reverend Jeremiah Wright gave a speech in Detroit to the NAACP. One of the things that he said in this speech was that black and white children learn with different parts of their brain, and then gave an "unflattering imitation of the way white pastors speak." Peoples comments were that he gave a racial speech. Soledad O'Brien, on CNN, was quoted as saying, in a gushing manner, that the speech was a "home run" and "really funny." When questioned about the things he said in the speech, she would say things like, what he really meant was .....or what he wanted to say was... Once again she's covering the truth and being racist. Just as with the Henry Gates incident. In an appearance on Anderson Cooper, the night or so before CNN's "The Moment of Truth" she appeared enraged that it was a racial profile against Gates. She said that she got calls from her FRIENDS saying it was all about Gates being black. She went on that show with the purpose, at all costs, to destroy the credibility of the white police officer and throw him under the bus. When Cooper was talking she wanted to make the point that Gates said "Thank You" to the police officers. By mentioning that, she was purposely misrepresenting the truth by playing down Gates' belligerence and racial remarks, which she didn't even mention. Even Gates' attorney and friend, said to the media that he used very strong language. Colon Powell and President Obama both said he should take blame in the incident. I have seen this in many occasions with her, where she doesn't speak the truth and hides the true facts. Another time on Anderson Cooper, Cooper said to O'Brien that Senator John McCain hasn't brought race into the campaign, like he said he wouldn't. You would think her response would have been something like, that's great because he shouldn't. Instead she strongly insinuated that he would, even in the last week of the campaign. Also, her questioning style, in interviews is completely different with a white person than it is with a black person. Like in her interview with Henry Gates in "The Moment of Truth" She just went along with his lies. I have seen several comments on various websites about her racism. There are many other examples I could give of her racial bias, dishonesty and hypocrisy. She seems to consider herself to be black. She mentioned in an interview that her parents made it clear to her “you’re black” and that’s all there is to it.
She’s all about being #1, she wants the world to revolve around her. She comes first, before her family. She wants to be a celebrity figure and a star. In interviews she says she works 6 days a week, mostly out of town, and on some holidays. She goes to gala events, concerts, lots of entertainment events, as a single woman, leaving her husband and kids behind.
I think Soledad O’Brien is a very poor journalist. What ever happened to the days of CNN with Bernard Shaw and Judy Woodruff? They were honorable journalists. You could believe what they said. John Las Vegas

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