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Dede Goes Down Upstate
Liberal Republican Scozzafava exits gracelessly.
Hell hath no fury like a RINO scorned and anyone who expected Dede Scozzafava to lose gracefully got a rude awakening over the weekend. Having stubbornly stayed in the upstate New York congressional race long past the point where her defeat was a certainty, Scozzafava made a tearful exit that was a masterpiece of self-pitying distortion.
“In recent days, polls have indicated that my chances of winning this election are not as strong as we would like them to be,” Scozzafava said in a statement issued Saturday morning. “The reality that I’ve come to accept is that in today’s political arena, you must be able to back up your message with money — and as I’ve been outspent on both sides, I’ve been unable to effectively address many of the charges that have been made about my record.”
This was a triple distortion by the liberal Republican assemblywoman who had been the GOP leadership’s handpicked choice for the nomination in the 23rd District special election.
Scozzafava’s poll numbers had been collapsing for weeks. An Oct. 15 Siena College poll showed she had fallen behind Democrat Bill Owens, while insurgent Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman had picked up momentum. Her support melted down rapidly after an Oct. 19 incident when her husband, union organizer Ron McDougall, called police on Weekly Standard reporter John McCormack, who had tried to get her to answer questions about her position on tax increases and “card-check” legislation. Even before the confrontation with McCormack, however, Scozzafava’s candidacy failed to draw strong GOP backing in a district that regularly voted by 2-to-1 margins for Republican Rep. John McHugh, whose appointment as Army Secretary had created the vacancy to be filled by Tuesday’s special election.
Hoffman’s conservative campaign effectively doomed the Republican nominee by exposing her liberal voting record in the New York legislature. If Scozzafava was “unable to effectively address many of the charges that have been made about [her] record,” that was because the charges were true. After 11 years in Albany, during which she had risen to the rank of minority whip, Scozzafava had amassed a voting record more liberal than many Democratic assembly members. That her policy stances put her at odds with most Republican voters in the largely rural 23rd District was a liability that seems to have been overlooked by the GOP insiders who picked her for the nomination. Once the Hoffman campaign began hammering Scozzafava for her assembly record and positions on national issues, the Conservative Party candidate quickly gained ground against both her and the Democrat, Owens.
If Scozzafava’s exit statement distorted both her poll problems and her record, the most shamefully false of her claims was her complaint about being unable “to back up [her] message with money.” The Republican National Committee and the National Republican Congressional Committee had pumped hundreds of thousands of dollars into the 23rd District in support of Scozzafava — to no avail, since the candidate’s message never resonated with voters.
After the boohooing appearance Saturday morning where Scozzafava pulled the plug on her doomed campaign, Hoffman’s campaign team issued a conciliatory response and privately urged their candidate’s supporters to end attacks on their erstwhile Republican rival.
While prospects for the Republican to endorse the Conservative candidate were rumored, Team Hoffman hoped that at least Dede would remain neutral. During an appearance Saturday afternoon in Plattsburgh, Hoffman himself expressed sympathy for Scozzafava. “I realize the decision she had to make today was very difficult for her,” the mild-mannered accountant said during an appearance at a VFW post with former Gov. George Pataki, expressing hope of working together with her on behalf of the district’s interests.
Instead, Sunday afternoon, Scozzafava plunged her knife into the back of the party that had chosen her for the nomination, when she announced her endorsement of the Democratic candidate. She had “thought long and hard about what is best for the people of this District,” Scozzafava said, asserting that her concern for “honest principles and a truthful discussion of the issues” led her to endorse Owens.
Thus ended weeks of intra-party division induced by the GOP’s ill-fated choice. As Michael Patrick Leahy observed, “The NRCC and RNC just spent $1 million on Dede Scozzafava. This is their reward.”
The first poll published in the wake of Scozzafava’s withdrawal showed Hoffman with a commanding lead over the Democrat, Owens. Even if Hoffman wins big in tomorrow’s election, however, the consequences of the Republican Party’s blunders in this campaign are likely to be felt far away from upstate New York. A yawning chasm of alienation between the GOP establishment and the party’s grassroots has been exposed.
If Scozzafava has done nothing else, she has shown Republican leaders to be what Michelle Malkin called them yesterday: “Suckers.”
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Robert Stacy McCain is co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of Donkey Cons: Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party (Nelson Current). He blogs at The Other McCain.
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drudge ette obama| 11.2.09 @ 6:28AM
Scozzafava means bridge burner in the language of lost elections . Her riny tears can't squelch the conservative fire that sent her liberal 'arse running, but not before she turned in petulance to support the opposition against whom she had just been fighting, purportedly with true conviction.
Too bad $1 million was spent on her, but not one cent was mine, RNC. Are you listening RNC?
Newt Gingrich also preempted too soon on Scozza. Bad judgment, Newt. While it is true that the locals get to elect their own representatives, it is also true that once the losers are in place, they affect all Americans, not just the idiots who cast ballots in their favor. Otherwise, Nancy Pelosi would be no different in her power reach than a first term Republican senator.
So, Newt, we get to interfere with other elections, if we can mobilize money- or people- wise. And if a middle-aged woman in Georgia can help keep the Scozzas of the New York out of the House of Representatives, then all the more power to people, and to this happy Georgia peach.
WRTolkas| 11.2.09 @ 7:43AM
Dear drudge ette obama,
Amen Sister - not one penny of mine either. Is the RNC listening? I do hope the sound of distant guns is awakening Mr. Steele. Heads should roll over this debacle.
Regards,
WRTolkas
Emma Morrow| 11.2.09 @ 8:41AM
NOT ONE RED CENT!!!
(Are you LISTENING RNC?)
TexasEngineer| 11.2.09 @ 10:29AM
NOT ONE THIN DIME!!!
(are you listening RNC???)
TexasEngineer
John II| 11.2.09 @ 12:28PM
NOT EVEN A KOPEK! NOT ONE FARTHING!
(Have you got your foreign-exchange calculators out, RNC???? Well--try your dictionary, if you have one of those!!! Morons.)
PolishKnight| 11.2.09 @ 1:38PM
I'll MeToo this! Not one dime from me either. There was a standard poll the RNC sent me along with a request for money and I mailed it back, without a check, with a simple request in the comments column: Fire Michael Steele!!!
Isn't there some pie graph chart they can apply to a spreadsheet of their mailing list showing all the money have lost with RINOs and apologists?
loulou| 11.2.09 @ 2:02PM
Can you hear us now??
Are you listening, Cornyn? You better send some $$ to Rubio, pronto!
David| 11.2.09 @ 3:34PM
I wouldn't send them a cheese-puff if they paid the postage!
Deb| 11.2.09 @ 10:15AM
"While it is true that the locals get to elect their own representatives, it is also true that once the losers are in place, they affect all Americans, not just the idiots who cast ballots in their favor. " So true, drudge ette obama, which is why I, in Illinois, contributed to Hoffman's campaign. My reps in IL are worthless. I can only hope to change things by influencing outside races.
lynn| 11.2.09 @ 2:34PM
I also e-mailed the NRCC and told them not only do I not send them money, I send directly to the conservative campaigns in other states (not to many to spend on in Maryland).
Etiquette Man| 11.2.09 @ 6:29AM
Very nice piece, The Other McCain. Just goes to show that the RNC is the biggest threat to conservatives out there. At least the Demonrats are our DECLARED enemy.
Question: Is there ANYone thicker than a Dumbocrat?
Hmm . . .
Oh, yeah, ANY randomly chosen member of the RNC.
Those guys are fond of circular firing squads. Complete and utter buffoons.
A real conservative will win this one, DV.
Go Doug!!!
Appleby| 11.2.09 @ 6:47AM
New York State is losing population faster than any other State except maybe California, because of the extremely liberal policies it has continued to follow in the face of disagreement from its outside-the-City population. This warning shot is proof that even people of New York State finally are not going to take it anymore.
Let us hope that someone picks up the hint.
Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 11.2.09 @ 8:49AM
Appleby: Both New York and California’s residents have blinders on, because they refuse to see, that the problems their States are having, is because both States are controlled by the Democrats, and yet they vote them back in again, in the next election. And the Democrats standard answer to every problem has always been, let’s raise Taxes again. And they wonder why, when they look out the window, they see all those cars on the highway leaving their State, they never learn.
Kitty| 11.2.09 @ 6:49AM
What makes you think that Dede's record "seems to have been overlooked by the GOP insiders who picked her for the nomination"?
I no longer trust the GOP leaders. The Dede Disaster is just the latest example.
Pingback| 11.2.09 @ 6:51AM
This is what the RNC and RNCC bought for a Million Dollars links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Steve| 11.2.09 @ 6:53AM
Predictable response by Dede. Conservatives are told to gut it up and back the RINO; RINOs bitch and moan and sell out to the opposition. Typical. But the good news is, she'll get a nice puff piece in the NYT for her efforts on behalf of the Left.
Pingback| 11.2.09 @ 6:56AM
The American Spectator : Dede Goes Down Upstate | Goes Down News links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Big J| 11.2.09 @ 7:09AM
What a smack-down on Newt and the inside-the-belt Repub's.
I love it!
Loved it so much, I sent money to Hoffman.
Help him if you can.
Pete| 11.2.09 @ 9:13AM
Happy to say my 25 year old daughter spent the weekend working in Hoffman's campaign. She commuted from Burlington, Vt via ferry across the lake both days . She was very fired up over this. She also participated in the Tea party march in DC (9-12'ers). The young people have been energized by this campaign and movement. It's their future at stake and they know it.
Lawrence Boccardi| 11.2.09 @ 7:11AM
And that , Michael Steele, is why you will never see another penny from me!
Darin| 11.2.09 @ 7:17AM
The bigger question is if the Republican party will recognize this as a wake-up call or fade further into irrelevance. Conservatives sent a clear message in 2006 and 2008, and their backing of Hoffman over the "chosen" GOP canidate reinforces the message - nominate people with real conservative values (and associated track record) or count us (conservatives) out.
R Martin| 11.2.09 @ 7:19AM
There is a rather nasty dominant Specter gene deep in the "moderate" Republican body. It needs to be bred-out, and removing Scozzafava (and her husband) from the gene pool is a good first step. The appallingly inept NY GOP leadership should follow. I hope Hoffman takes the lead in all this.
Shamus| 11.2.09 @ 7:31AM
Scozzafava's actions reveal her to be a person of low moral character.
Lu D.| 11.2.09 @ 7:45AM
I still have the picture in my mind of Pres.Bush standing next to Arlan Spector, and wondered how things would have worked out if Toomey would have been supported. It is time for the Grassroots and Conservatives start sending a few bucks to as many Conservatives as we all can. Ten dollars a piece from a few million people can help.
Pingback| 11.2.09 @ 7:55AM
Chuck Todd sees the PPP polls showing republican wins… « DaTechguy's Blog links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Curly Smith| 11.2.09 @ 8:10AM
Q: What's the difference between a Republican Establishment Candidate and a Democratic Party Candidate?
A: The Democratic Party candidate has enough integrity to run as a Democrat.
drudge ette obama| 11.2.09 @ 8:12AM
Exactly, Lu D. Your nickels and dollars mean something, especially when combined. We may not have George Soros, but we have people.
maverick muse| 11.2.09 @ 8:18AM
Kitty @ 6:49, Steve @ 6:53 and Lawrence @ 7:11
Exactly.
RNC chose Scozzafava because of her record. RINOs believe it their manifest destiny is to forge the GOP into the other arm of socialism with the same hammer and sickle that murders conservatism. We've heard from the RNC on behalf of RINOism, and seen the RNC set up RINOs for extremely important positions, all the while leaving conservatives to fend for themselves without GOP backing. Conservatives must put their money and their ballot where their mouth is.
Don't roll over. Let's keep our eyes open and report odd polling place protocol immediately. We can be whistle blowers and help to halt processes that falsify records. At least expose crooks denying America legitimate results.
Attorney | 11.2.09 @ 8:18AM
hello,The bigger question is if the Republican party will recognize this as a wake-up call or fade further into irrelevance. Conservatives sent a clear message in 2006 and 2008, and their backing of Hoffman over the "chosen" GOP canidate reinforces the message - nominate people with real pic....
Michael Tomlinson| 11.2.09 @ 11:25PM
What message? You wanted Obama over a Republican who's loyalty to Reagan and his support of the Gipper is unchallengeable. That's stupid not conservative and reveals how much damage the 2005 crack-up and populism have caused in our ranks.
A Hoffman win will result from the backing he got from solid Republicans. Dede was never one of us and it hard to understand why the Party leaders on the ground were so blind.
Margie| 11.3.09 @ 1:32AM
Tomlinson, you are Scozzafava. Limp wristed, RINO whore--you ARE NOT one of us.
No one on this thread wanted Obama, but because of VAGINAL RINOs like you--we got him. Moron.
Margie| 11.3.09 @ 11:55PM
Michael,
This post above was NOT by me. Some coward is using my name. Hey coward why don't you get a spine and grow up. Michael knows I am in agreement with him.
martin j smith| 11.2.09 @ 8:19AM
RINOS are Democrats. This is a classic case of revealing true colors. So: identify,isolate,target and dismiss from contention. thru Primaries and other political processes
As for the Republican Party: keep sending the message: NO RINOS ( DEMOCRATS ),
Louis Jenkins| 11.2.09 @ 8:22AM
While the GOP Big Tent is supposed to have room for everyone including Conservatives, it appears that it does not have room for a RINO, at least by Scozzafava’s choice. Scozzafava’s move shows that she, and the RINOs, are not interested in Conservativism, in fact, she is more comfortable in bed with the liberal candidate. All too willing to bolt the party when the campaign doesn’t go her way (can you say Snarlin’ Arlan?) her very motives and allegiances have proven suspect. Her exit has shown what many here have written in previous posts. RINOs are not interested in Conservative doctrine and since she was hand picked by the GOP, what does that tell ya? I say good riddance. At least with Owens you know he’s a Liberal.
Pocono Joe| 11.2.09 @ 8:22AM
I'd also like to add that Newt Gingrich is a fathead.
Turk| 11.2.09 @ 8:22AM
Amen Lu D. and all the rest. A classic we can send our $$$ to is Marco the Great in Florida. His rino Obama hugging opponent was endorsed by the Repub establishment but he has done well campaigning and raising $$$ and has the likes of George Will singing his praises.
Despite the likes of Gingerich, Steele et al, the history of the Republicans is there to be viewed. A massive battle with the lib/country club crowd was fought in 63/64. In 66 Reagan beat an encumbent lib dem. 1980/84 gave us leadership in a dangerous time (how's that change doin?) then we got George hw, in 88 with his "kinder gentler-read my lips" and it's no mystery how we have fared under the non-leadership of George W. " compassionate conservative". BOTH country clubbers. The bobsey twins-Bob Dole & Bob Michael showed us how playing footsey with the leftist Democrats works.
All the tea parties and other movements will availeth naught until we take the party back. Some bright lights are beginning to shine. We need to support them with our substance. NY, Virginia and Florida can play out all over this great nation if we are resolute!
Robert Rosencrans| 11.2.09 @ 8:24AM
Michael Steele is the biggest loser in this situation. It shows his lack of political astuteness and risk aversion, i.e., no balls. Newt Gingrich has been slipping down the path of righteous stupidity for some time now, endorsing liberal causes while pretending to be a conservative.
JBobs| 11.2.09 @ 9:00AM
I might have Newt as the No. 1 loser here... since he was certainly out front with his support of the "Republican" candidate and outspoken in his disdain of Hoffman's run. I am hopeful that Floridians will do the same for Cornyn, and dump Gov. Christ for Rubio... now that would be really nice.
Mike Giles| 11.2.09 @ 1:38PM
Which part of Michael Steele being the REPUBLICAN National Committee Chairman, supporting the REPUBLICAN candidate are you knuckleheads having trouble grasping. Him supporting the REPUBLICAN in the race was a given. That's part of his job description.
If you want to chew somebody's hindquarters, lock your teeth on the gluts of the county chairmen who nominated Scuzzy (specifically the one who decided to try and give the seat to a buddy) and Newt.
Robert Rosencrans| 11.2.09 @ 8:24AM
Michael Steele is the biggest loser in this situation. It shows his lack of political astuteness and risk aversion, i.e., no balls. Newt Gingrich has been slipping down the path of righteous stupidity for some time now, endorsing liberal causes while pretending to be a conservative.
Kitty| 11.2.09 @ 9:11AM
Newt has been a moldy opportunist now for years.
Eric Damon| 11.2.09 @ 11:17AM
Let's call it a draw, since both of those clowns wound up with (as we say in the South) the shit-end of the stick! Newt whined and complained about outsiders trying to influence the race (as if he lived in the District) and pontificated about us conservatives trying to "purge" the Party. The only thing was that Dede Scozzafava needed to be purged, as she was never committed to the Party or its alleged ideals; witness her husband pimping her to the Democrats as a candidate before she procured the GOP nomination.
As for Steele, by shilling for Scozzafava he lost any respect that I had for him. I know that he doesn't care about me personally, but from what I have read here and elsewhere there are a lot of people just like me who have had their eyes opened to his true colors...and the path he wants to take the GOP down. His path is the road to electoral ruin and political irrelevance, because people are not going to support a Party with money or votes that stands for nothing other than winning an election. Those days are gone, hopefully for good.
So in the end, both men are losers for having backed an anti-Republican candidate on the ticket, when a conservative choice was available.
Pingback| 11.2.09 @ 8:52AM
The Great GOP purge of 2009 commences in earnest now | Jay Bookman links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
louis tully| 11.2.09 @ 9:13AM
What this epidsode proves, or I should say, re-proves, is not just that the GOP leadership is dumb or out of touch. Clearly, they are anti-conservative as well. And its been this way for at least a few years. They supported Specterd the Democrat over Toomey the conservative in 04, Chaffee over the conservative in 09. And now they throw a million bucks to a candidate who endorses the Democrat.
Face it, the GOP leadership is at war with conservatives, and they have to be defeated and deposed before conservatives can even think of taking on Maobama.
Marc M.| 11.2.09 @ 9:25AM
Such ingratitude! Before this, Dede Scozzafava was just an unknown local politician. Now, thanks to Doug Hoffman, she is famous.
On a more serious note, when RINOs like John McCain and Arlen Specter are elected, the Democrats win. For inside-the-beltway types like Newt Gingrich and Michael Steele, it is OK to populate Congress with liberals as long as they have the capital R after their names. But when RINOs get into office, they vote with the Democrats, e.g Olympia Snowe, the only Republican in the Senate Finance Committee who voted for the socialized medicince bill. If Obama succeeds in getting his programs enacted, it will be made possible by liberal Repbulicans like Dede Scozzofava. Grassroot Republicans realize this and that's why they are no longer supporting candidates anointed by national organizations that brought us the 2008 debacle.
Michael Tomlinson| 11.2.09 @ 11:31PM
Do you actually know anything about John McCain's real record. There was a reason Nancy Reagan supported him in 2000 -- he was the candidate she thought the most like the Gipper.
This woman was not a Republican and it was stupid of the local Party leaders to choose her. The problem is Republicans in blue states can't always see beyond the words "electable."
Keep up the RINO crap and you'll help re-elect Obama or leave Congress in Democrat hands. This is a lesson learned and a good one before 2010.
Margie| 11.3.09 @ 1:37AM
Tomlinson, YOU are the RINO crap! Return your sorry butt to the democrats and Dede; you're not welcome here.
Margie| 11.3.09 @ 11:57PM
^^This post was not by me, again. Some coward who isn't able to take their own name is using mine. I guess some people never do grow up.
JAH666| 11.2.09 @ 9:43AM
It is just the belief of a paranoid conservative, but I have had the concrete feeling for over a decade that Dems hve been DELIBERATLY infiltrating the Rep party to create just these types of divisions. Fifth column tactics are nothing that would be unexpected from a political movement that will do all the other things we have seen from "Progressive Democrats".
martin j smith| 11.2.09 @ 10:42AM
I agree--Joh MacCainbe's campaign 9 if you could call it that ) seemed mighty fishy to me. His failure to confront Obama,his perfor5mance at debates, his rleationship with his running mate Sara Palin--to name only a few example. More recently the RNC 's failure to respond to DNC's outrageous comments, failure to come up with a chesive response to Democratic efforts to force legislation the People are opposed to. Failure to support the Tea Parties and Failure to support candidates that represent the voters. Other than that they are great.
Margie| 11.3.09 @ 1:38AM
I also agree. Tomlinson is a democrat plant, for sure.
Margie| 11.3.09 @ 11:58PM
^^ Not my post, again. Coward troll.
JP| 11.2.09 @ 10:56AM
To any conservative who has images of a 2010 rebound dancing in his/her head, NY-23 illustrated how difficult that rebound will be. The GOP is rudderless, out of ideas, and is beholden to large Beltway image consultants.
The RNC wasted $1 million on a candidate that ran as Nancy Pelosi redux.
drudge ette obama| 11.3.09 @ 6:54AM
I believe JP has distilled the issue perfectly.
We must teach the RNC to be better or effect a purge. Give Michael Steele a deadline. We want to see something out of that group by year's end or the next tea party will be at the RNC.
Incompetent Sessions| 11.2.09 @ 11:08AM
The RNCC "leadership" must go.
What a bunch of corrupt, stupid, stubborn, visionless, conniving bunch of political bureaucrats getting fat while further destroying what is supposed to be the "opposition party".
Q: What is Sessions & co being paid for?
A: To conspire to give a million dollars to a leftist professional politician who takes her marching orders from the White House and unions and defeat the successful private CPA with fiscally conservative values and no ACORN connections.
Great move GOP. Brilliant.
Conspiring together with Rahm & the White House & the unions (did I mention NEWT yet?) you attempted to destroy the only decent canidate in the race.
Can't wait to see what Obama's third or fourth term brings us with idiots like this steering the "opposition" ship.
Ship of fools filled with vain pols with no character, just a yen for money and influence.
Newt Gingrich is the prime example of why Americans and conservatives are so disgusted with the Republican party. Sessions, Dole, Graham.....all just fiddling away while Rome burns by the light of Hope n Change.
It's getting to be tar n feathers time for the average American whose common sense values seem to be totally absent from the Republican party as a machine. The bright spots with R next to their name in Washington seem few & far between.
What a bunch of bumbling idiots we have to protect the public from the Dems madness.
Liberal Reader| 11.2.09 @ 11:08AM
I can understand why Republicans and conservatives were vexed by Scozzafava.
It's important not to confuse this one individual race with a larger issue: Republicans aren't winning races in New England and other northern states.
The Republican party is one of our two parties; it needs moderates.
Some Democrats are celebrating the Republican party's careening transformation into an ultra-right wing faction popular only in the south. This is foolish.
Democratic positions are strengthened and disciplined by a strong, vibrant, and dynamic Republican party.
If the Republican party is going to be the party of Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, I think our entire democratic process will suffer. And there's is certainly not the party of Ronald Reagan.
Lou Grossman| 11.2.09 @ 12:43PM
"Democratic positions are strengthened and disciplined by a strong, vibrant, and dynamic Republican party. "
The socialists have indeed grown and thrived under the moderate Republican leadership you celebrate. Tell you what, Axelrod's Reader, why don't you all throw one of your big Hollywood bashes for the RINOs who have paved the way for the rise of American socialism? Indeed, where would you be without them. And conservatives have no use for them.
Al Adab| 11.2.09 @ 2:03PM
Hello Lib,
A moderate to some is an extreme leftist to others. Any candidate espousing government intervention and increased regulation is no moderate. Perhaps we could borrow a phrase and aver that "Moderation in the pursuit of Liberty is no virtue".
Bruce | 11.2.09 @ 4:58PM
When are you liberal twits going to use what little brains you possess and stop taking sound bites from your dear leaders. Beck is NOT a Republican! beck is a Libertarian!
Liberal Reader| 11.2.09 @ 11:21AM
I think it's telling that the generation of vipers spawned by Palin and Beck -- the vocal anti-everything, know-nothing Tea Bagger contingent -- has grown to hate even Newt Gingrich.
First, it turned on John McCain, one of the most decent, honorable candidates the Republicans have run since Eisenhower (although I like Kemp, Dole, H.W. Bush, and Reagan).
Now, it calls Gingrich a RINO!
So just so I'm sure I have it all straight, let me review what I've learned from Fox and the American Spectator these past few delicious months:
1. Democrats are socialists; socialists are communists; communists are Nazis; therefore, Democrats are Nazis.
2. Barack Obama was born in Kenya; he is a traitor, a terrorist sympathizer, illegal alien, racist, Muslim, and totalitarian dictator along the lines of Mao, Hitler, and Stalin;
3. Newt Gingrich is not a good Republican or conservative;
4. Neither are Frum, Brooks, Will and Peggy Noonan;
5. Obama has begun a program of indoctrinating children, presumably to prepare them for the reeducation camps to which they'll later be consigned;
6. The stimulus program spent hundreds of billions, but it did not stimulate the economy;
7. The recession was caused by Obama;
8. Obama wants high unemployment numbers; it's all a part of his plan to get everyone on welfare so he can control them;
9. Obama is going to confiscate your guns;
10. Obama wants our mission in Afghanistan and Iraq to fail; he is eager for America to be attacked by terrorists, with whom he is in secret league; Obama wants to destroy America as we know it.
Did I miss anything?
Oh wait! I missed my favorite, offered by a poster:
11. What I call the Civil War was not a "civil war," it was a war of northern aggression against the sovereign states of the confederacy!
Vive John Brown!
Vive Bernie Sanders!
A las barricadas!
Very Good, LR!| 11.2.09 @ 12:12PM
LR, that's a pretty good summation! I'm SO glad you've been paying attention since in these days of splintered interest-group media, we conservatives are so often merely "preaching to the choir'. Good to know that outreach to the illiterati (synonym: liberals) IS still going on! \;-)
John II| 11.2.09 @ 12:39PM
That's right--nice to have LR as such an attentive reader. Can't blame her for spending most of her time with us. Conservative journalism has always been more interesting than the stale, smug liberal stuff. I can't remember the last time I read a decent book review in TNR or The Nation. An occasional interesting feature, but that's about it.
Liberal Reader| 11.2.09 @ 2:21PM
I'll agree with you on book reviews, Johnn II. New York Times used to do a great Sunday review; no more.
Take heart: there's always the New York Review of Books!
Louis Jenkins| 11.2.09 @ 12:26PM
I too have learned a lot from reading AS. But I’ve learned a lot more from other sources. I'll review just a small part of what I have learned:
If you respect and revere the Constitution you are a terrorist.
If you believe that abortion is wrong and immoral you are a terrorist.
If you believe that owning a firearm is a Constitutional right you’re a terrorist.
That it is your patriotic duty to pay taxes (no matter how high the sum), and if you dispute the notion, you are a bad American, should be arrested, and have the tax dollars wrung from your useless body, your gold teeth wrenched out, and your skin turned into book covers.
If you show up at a town hall meeting and express displeasure with your Congressional leadership, you’re a rube, a hick hayseed. How dare you speak your thoughts!
Ron Paul bumper stickers are propaganda that belongs to terrorists.
I’ve learned that listening to conservative talk radio is a terrorist activity.
If one has a belief that alternative life styles and sex practices are incorrect, then that’s hate speech.
If you have a belief that health care and education is not a right, but something to be earned, you’re stupid and uncaring.
If you disagree with sharing your hard earned wealth, then you’re a bad person and deserve to be flayed.
If you dispute the liberal political party line, you’re guilty of being an angry, medieval, low brow.
If you dislike ACORN taking a GPS reading of your front door’s location, you’re a potential murderer.
If you’re not an adroit fan of Oprah, Katie Couric, Chris Matthews, CNN, MSNBC, etc., you’re uncultured and have bad taste in TV news casting.
I’ve learned that oral sex with a White House intern is not sex.
I’ve learned, that while I’m expected to shovel over my taxes, tighten my belt, and spend less it’s perfectly okay to hop on the executive 747 and jet to NY to eat out.
I’ve learned that the word “is” is dependent on what your definition of “is” is.
If you’re not doing well in a political race, just withdraw and cast your support to the opposite party.
I’ve learned that a political appointee Czar can tell me how much I’m allowed to earn in year.
The learning never stops. I find my brain is constantly stimulated and, the limits of my knowledge stretched, by antics and opinions from the Left.
Mike Giles| 11.2.09 @ 1:45PM
"10. Obama wants our mission in Afghanistan and Iraq to fail; he is eager for America to be attacked by terrorists, with whom he is in secret league; Obama wants to destroy America as we know it."
No. But he is looking for a way to do it on the cheap, which won't enrage the left wing of his part and/or ruin his image as an international "good guy". In short, he'd really like to avoid the tough decision and be able to vote "Present".
Liberal Reader| 11.2.09 @ 2:23PM
Miles --
Re: doing it on the cheap
Did you even pick UP a newspaper for the past eight years? Jeez, Louise, man. What cave have you been living in?
PolishKnight| 11.2.09 @ 1:59PM
Here's what you missed:
1) Nazi is an acronym for "National Socialism". It wasn't just window dressing either. He advocated national healthcare, daycare, and "affirmative action".
2) Obama refused to provide his birth certificate while most Americans do so without question to just enroll their kids in school or get a driver's license. Obama advocates amnesty and taxpayer benefits for illegal immigrants who also refuse to provide documentation. Obama is acting like he's guilty. Don't blame the messengers!
3) skip
4) Agreed about Noonan.
5) Mmmm mmm mmmmh, Obama's doing that! Mmmm mmm mmmm!
6) Autos are sitting on the lots again and RE prices are falling like a rock now that the summer selling season barely stabilized them. And all for the cheap price of a trillion bucks. You could make a billion pigs fly to the moon for less.
7) It was Bush who tried to put the brakes on the real estate bubble and sub-prime when Barney Frank and Obama were pushing minorities into risky loans. If 1 bedroom condos were going for a million bucks, Obama would be claiming credit rather than trying to push away blame.
8) It worked for FDR: Throw 'em into a pit and they'll worship you for the free carrots. You need a captive, state controlled press for that though and less than 3 major news networks...
9) Liberals trying to deny they won't go on a gun grab after arguing that guns are bad and people shouldn't have them is laughably disingenuous.
10) Obama simply doesn't support the mission in Iraq or Afghanstan because it doesn't mean money for his cronies in appointements and contracts to build Olympic stadiums. That's how they do it in Orleans and Chicago.
11) The constitution of the USA gives all rights not spelled out specifically to the states and the people. Find a section where it says the states can't leave the union and get back to us.
Now how about what we've learned from liberalism?
1) All the worlds ills are caused by white males especially racism which is judging people by their skin or gender. This leads to:
2) America needs to become like the paradises of Western Europe such as Germany and France. You know, run by whites and/or males.
3) Conservatives are wasting, gasp, liberal taxpayer money in Iraq and Afghanistan on their stupid wars when instead they could be robbing conservatives to give to their buddies. When people steal from THEM, it's so wrong!
4) They're caring, open minded people who don't listen to anything from stupid bigots who don't deserve any human consideration.
In other words, liberalism is a selfish, childish temper tantrum at worst and a cynical power grab at best for those who make a living at it. I doubt this sucker qualifies for the latter making him just another cool-aid/comet-chasing leftist religious dupe.
Interested Conservative| 11.2.09 @ 4:54PM
Re: #5 - some of the kids will have to run the camps. Remember - no child left behind!
R Glynn Kelly| 11.2.09 @ 6:50PM
Your point #1. I would phrase that thusly:
communists are socialists
nazis are socialists [Hitler was indeed socialist]
democrats are socialists
Nuff said
OH Con| 11.2.09 @ 11:27AM
Hmm. Wondering what was offered by Rahmbo in the rumored phone call...We shall see soon enough! This is the stuff of Democrat promotions! What a woman!/s
Great synopsis RSM.
Cromagnum| 11.2.09 @ 11:28AM
The republican hacks met in a restaurant in Potsdam NY
When was teh last time there was a Potsdam Conference, and what was the result: Hint, the commies won the most.
They tried to repeat that ... but alas, Doug the Bean-Counter and Sarah the Moose Hunter have stood in thier way. They will not redraw the map of Conservative America.
Go Doug!!!!
Newtered| 11.2.09 @ 11:30AM
I just wanted to stop by and announce I am endorsing Doug Hoffman (hope I spelled that correctly) in the NY special election.
I also have lots of great official Newt products at newt.org, along with my political wisdom and keen insight.
Did I mention the new Newt coffee mugs we just got in?
NeilBJ| 11.2.09 @ 11:46AM
According to an October Rasmussen poll,
"73% of GOP Voters Say Congressional Republicans Have Lost Touch With Their Base."
Is this not evident in the New York District 23 race where Scozzafava was supported by the RNCC? To futher confirm this view, Scozzafava withdraws and endorses the Democrat candidate rather than the Conservative candidate.
The argument that it is better to support the Republican candidate rather than a third party candidate because otherwise you will guarantee the Democrat candidate's winning is beginning to lose its luster.
Maybe it is time we start voting for what we really beleive in.
Bob Belvedere | 11.2.09 @ 11:53AM
Quoted from and Linked to at: 23 SKIDOO X: DON'T GET OVERCONFIDENT Edition
The NOT ONE RED CENT Site.
Adam Smith| 11.2.09 @ 12:04PM
Outstanding article Stacey.
I have been reading the local Watertown rag and this is one of the best pieces I have read (nationwide) on what the issues in race were and why Scuzzyfava failed (and the GOP).
Keep up the good writing, we need a lot more of it.
Adam Smith| 11.2.09 @ 12:08PM
Great, mispelled Stacy...
Long as I'm back what is up with the Liberal Reader loon?
Why is everyone on the left so rabid, filled with invective & bile?
Why do they always run around spewing classism, racism and ignorance?
Because that is all they have.
Liberal Reader| 11.2.09 @ 2:28PM
Adam --
Care to give an example from my posts above of "rabid" language "filled with invective and bile"?
Care to give an example of "classism, racism, and ignorance"?
Your point will have more credibility if you cite evidence from what I've written.
R Glynn Kelly| 11.2.09 @ 6:34PM
Classism - Ted Kennedy
Racism - Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton
Ignorance - Anyone who supports the likes of the above mentioned.
SITYS in WV| 11.2.09 @ 12:09PM
Are you listening, Peggy Noonan? How 'bout you, Susan Eisenhower? No, you twits were too busy drawing "I Heart Obama" on your Algebra notebooks. Good Gawd, I hope this is a wake-up call. And honestly, Newt, I'm doubting your sanity right now, and I'll remember this.
Anthony| 11.2.09 @ 12:14PM
So where are all you Republican moderates this morning? Why is it that only Liberal Reader (not suprisingly) seems to speak for you today?
Scozzafava is the perfect example of why RINOs have destroyed the Republican Party. When you scratch a RINO, underneath is a Democrat. This is what listening to Gingrich, McCain, Steele, Graham & Powell has gotten the Republican Party.
Suckers does not quite do you fools justice. You are all nothing more than an embarassment of feckless, gutless, self interested hacks, who have sold out to the Washington establishment for you own personal power agendas.
The timing of this is perfect. The mask has been removed; now even the herd RINOs can see for themselves how they've been duped. Change is indeed coming and neither the RNC nor Obama will be able to withstand the sunami that's coming.
Adam Smith| 11.2.09 @ 12:28PM
Indeed Anthony, this has gone way past party loyalties for any citizen with any common sense.
What is being done to America has been perpetrated by both parties (the Republicrats in more of an enabling role) and are going to have to answer.
The RNC needs to decide if it wants to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
They need to start by getting some competent leadership and that means Steele and Sessions need to go. The Republican Affirmative Action Plan seems to be to promote the incopetent because they needs jobs.
It's not working.
Nathan| 11.2.09 @ 12:22PM
Scozzafava is a left-wing loon. What was the NRCC thinking? Hoffman - good luck tomorrow. A lot of us are pulling for you!
Art C| 11.2.09 @ 1:11PM
You listening and learning Messrs Steele and Gingrich? Punked is not the word that should be used.
Northern Rebel| 11.2.09 @ 1:38PM
Liberal reader :
I am impressed with your accuracy! Who'da thunk you were so smart?
As a prize for your correct list, I release all of the republican party's "moderate" RINO's in your care!
Show them the love that we've denied them.
I'm moving back to the 23rd today so I can vote!
stang52| 11.2.09 @ 1:39PM
Notice to the remaining RINO's-- Scozzafava just unmasked you all, time to seek other employment.
Notice to the RNC-- no more $$ till you swear off funding RINO's
Stang52| 11.2.09 @ 1:45PM
The NY GOP 'good old boys' picking Scozzafava ranks right up there with the ILL GOP 'good old boys' picking Alan Keyes back in 2002 when they pulled their support from Jack Ryan. Time to nix the 'good old boy's' power and let the voters pick candidates from now on. Till then NO MORE $$ to any GOP organization asking.
Philoktetes| 11.2.09 @ 1:45PM
In Missouri there is a similar situation. The Danforth-Country Club Republican candidate for state auditor is a guy name Schweich. The other GOP candidate is a state rep name Icet, who has been endorsed by 80 of 89 GOP House reps. I can't wait for the fight between middle class tea partiers and the country club GOPers. I bet Icet wins.
Al Adab| 11.2.09 @ 2:08PM
From all appearences the RNC got a message at least in this race. I recently received a contribution request from the RNC with a dollar bill enclosed. I sent it on to Hoffman along with my personal check and returned the form to RNC informing them of that. Here's hoping many more did likewise. Republicans running to the left of Democrats is not anyones idea of a two party system. Either the parties have discernable differences or our political system is in shambles. The left is now so extreme as to be of questionable sanity. Conservatives at least stand for Constitutional government.
Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 11.3.09 @ 12:13PM
Al, I wish they would have sent me another mailer like you received so I could do as you did, but I've sent back so many on their dime I think they've took me off their rolls to save postage. Great idea & I hope others have done the same.
Mike Giles| 11.2.09 @ 2:23PM
Okay, again. Short of being someone completely beyond the pale (a David Duke, for example) the REPUBLICAN National Committee, and National REPUBLICAN Congressional Committee are going to support the guy/gal with the R after their name. No if's, no and's, no but's. That is a given. It is not called the CONSERVATIVE National Committee.
Next, you should understand that to expect political purity with no deviation, which allows for local conditions, is no different from expecting unthinking loyalty to some "party line" (see Communists in the 30's doing back flips to justify the Soviet/Nazi Nonaggression Pact) . It's also un-american. One of the glories of the federal system, is that it allows different localities to respond to local conditions. On of the supposed differences between Conservatives and Liberals, is that Liberals are always attempting to force the mores and morals of San Fran and the West Village on the rest of America under the guise of protecting one or another "right". Conservatives understand that, within the limits, all politicians must respond to local conditions. They also believe that certain bedrock principles should be adhered to. The Conservative one is fiscal probity, small government and strong national security. Besides those big three, all other problems because - for example - societal issues fade under small government and fiscal probity means the end of the entitlement culture and ongoing deficits.
In any case, what I'm trying to get (in my roundabout way) at, is those three items is what we should be looking for and pretty much nothing else, because enforcing those three basic beliefs, will take care of everything else. IOW, don't read every moderate out of the party just yet.
Al Adab| 11.2.09 @ 2:54PM
Sadly not true. The RNC refused to fund or aid the GOP candidate in AZ-1 last year as the person who won the primary wasn't their choice.
The RNC, and all of us, need to realize this is no longer about party labels but about the choice between Statism and Liberty.
Liberal Reader| 11.2.09 @ 3:02PM
Like I said, I get that you didn't like THIS candidate; she's very liberal. She's not moderate at all.
What I don't get is how your party had no room in it for, say, Chris Shays from CT.
Shays was one of the most ardent and knowledgeable supporters of the Iraq War. I read somewhere he'd made more trips to Iraq than any other person in the House and had really educated himself about the country and the problems our troops were facing.
He was extremely articulate and passionate in his defense of Bush's policies in Iraq at a time when few people in the government could really explain what we were doing there.
He was a moderate on taxes, I suppose, and a moderate on social issues. But still, the party couldn't or wouldn't get him reelected. No there's a Democrat representing his district (which is fine by me) but YOU are out someone who will vote with you that also knows how to speak to the more liberal people in CT.
I think it's a foolish way to build or rebuild a party.
Interested Conservative| 11.2.09 @ 4:57PM
I don't think the GOP had much to do with Shays loss. Perhaps the voters of his district had more to do with it.
Anthony| 11.2.09 @ 10:04PM
You are quite right and Liberal Reader is very wrong. Shays had been hanging by a thread for several terms. The 08 election was the end for Shay's, whose very liberal district was swept up in Obama mania. The moderates, suprise, suprise, finally abandoned Shays and the thread finally frayed away.
You live with the moderates, you die with the moderates.
Bydand76| 11.2.09 @ 6:36PM
Oh please Lib Reader!
I fail to see how this is a problem that is the sole problem of the Republicans/ Conservatives. That is at best a specious argument and you sound like the pot calling the kettle black!
If I seem to remember was'nt Lieberman in the same boat simply because he received a cheek smooch from then President Bush II?
There are plenty of example of party rifts within the democrat party AS WELL AS the Republican party! Think Blue dog Democrats here. Think of the tight race for Wellstones seat after he passed away. If I remember correctly it was a question of who was MORE Liberal! Turn that keen eye of observation on yourself there Lib Reader and take care of your own house.
Simply stating the fact that if the Republican base (i.e the Conservatives) doesnt want moderates to have a majority say in the guidance of where the party is headed is not the same as having all moderates expelled from party membership. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
You try to make things to opolarized for a honest debate and attempt to use a changing dynamic within a political party in a convoluted attempt to show how, for whatever misguided reason only known to your silly little head, that the Conservative point of view is somehow lacking simply because there is a movement within it to strengthen a otherwise CONSERVATIVE party!
I would suggest to you that perhaps this is quite normal and if Republicans who are moderates feel they need to vote on a more liberal platform then there is a clear choice to be made. Vote for the parasitic, nanny state liberal. Republicans are supposed to stand for Conservativism opposed to a Liberal agenda. Why for the love of God would we want to have 2 politicians who arent really all that dis-similar? I thought you libs were all about choice? What is so foolish about that?
One more point that I would like to address to you is that if a liberal thinks it is foolish to do something? Then more than likely, it is the best option you should take!
Progressive socialistic Liberalism will always fail! It always has and it always will. Like I said before, you seriously need to go back and study your history Lib Reader.
If you consider me wrong, which you are more than welcome to do, answer me this question? Where are all the moderates who belong to the Republican party right now? Where are they to stand up for their candidate? Don't you find it interesting that she endorsed the Democrat and NOT the Conservative? Or would that be Irony?
What is going to happen when the Conservatives sweep these upcoming elections? I would think that the "Republican base" will have spoken pretty loudly.
BTW? Dont bother responding to me if all you are going to do is swear at me ok? I find it crass and vulgar. Thank you.
Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 11.3.09 @ 12:30PM
Liberal Reader, please spare conservative Republicans advice & opinions on rebuilding the Party. The Democrat Party tolerate NOTHING but the liberal point of view. Bob Casey Sr. is a perfect case in point. Mr. Casey, who at the time was the Democrat governor of my home state of Pennsylvania was denied a chance to speak at the 2000 Democrat National Convention due to his stance against the abortion on demand. This is how the Democrats & liberals deal with dissension in the ranks & makes you a hypocrite for telling conservative Republicans they are foolish to expect conservatism from the GOP. Clean up your own backyard before you point fingers.
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Elle| 11.2.09 @ 3:17PM
No matter what happens in the elections tomorrow no more money to the RNC. Fund individual conservative candidates and join the majority of the nation who are fed up with the anti-American Obama, his crooked cronies, and the detestable Congress led by Pelosi and Reid.
Nick| 11.2.09 @ 3:40PM
Marxist Reader,
I see you took my advice and took your lithium. Good for you. Your foul-mouthed tirades make you look foolish. Did you also start reading "Liberal Fascism"?
If only there were a pill for willful ignorance. (sigh)
Gina| 11.3.09 @ 1:44AM
LReader is quite the foul-mouthed little pig, isn't he?
Stephen| 11.2.09 @ 3:59PM
The repubes have learned nothing. They need to be defunded and unelected. Gone. Let them reach so far across the aisle that they fall over there and stay. We need a new party. Now.
Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 11.3.09 @ 12:34PM
Here, here Stephen. RIP GOP.
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MY EYES! MY EYES!| 11.2.09 @ 5:08PM
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AND she's double ugly right to the core.
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turk| 11.2.09 @ 6:55PM
I"M DEPRESSED! At 8:22 a.m. I posed a piece with brilliant insight into the rino problem, history and all. Though many of you hit the nail on the head on the general subject, how in hell could you miss my flawless logic???????? It's hell to be ignored! The good news is that soon, so too will the rinos join my ignominious end.
Dollface| 11.2.09 @ 7:13PM
To Pete Sessions, Michael Steele & John Cornyn:
"Jumpin' Jimmy" Jeffords, Lincoln "Just cuz my name's Lincoln doesn't mean I'm a Republican" Chafee, Arlen "I am bigger than any party" Specter and now Dede Scozzafava. Get the picture?
Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 11.3.09 @ 12:39PM
Dollface, The Stupid Party, led by Steele, Cornyn, & Sessions have elected to remain the Party Of Stupid. Don't hold your breath.
Thom| 11.2.09 @ 7:16PM
That Dede has a voting record to the left of Rudy and he would not support her; the RNC/NRCC wasted a million hard earned donation dollars on this; and she endorsed the Liberal Democrat is all that needs to be said about the nature of her character and the void that is the leadership of the Republican Party today. Calling her a “Rhino” is a gross understatement with regard to what she really is in truth. She has earned her Benedict Arnold jacket with dishonor of the lowest order…
DaveS| 11.2.09 @ 7:29PM
In Dutchess County (NY), the Dems sent out a colorful campaign card (to Independence party voters) with a fine Sarah Palin pic on the back side - with a reminder that if you don't vote you'll get someone like Palin. Funny how a losing VP candidate and a former governor is STILL an object of derision and scorn: she must be effective and a force (ask Chambliss.) Sarah backed Doug (knowing a loser in the Establishment stable); it wasn't Dede's left politics: it was a losing hand and another Dem would make the House, scandalously, from a conservative district. Scholar Newt got this one wrong. He'll recover.
Thom| 11.2.09 @ 7:55PM
Contrasting this to Lieberman’s situation in CT misses the point that in his case the Party Machine picked the Candidate in order to punish/remove him while the Voters at large picked him on Election Day. Dede was picked by a local Party Machine of sorts that was completely out of touch with their district and the money flowed simply because a Democrat was running against the appointed Republican. The Voters had no real choice and were going to lose regardless of who won. If the RNC wants to recover from this they had better find a way to spell Conservative Wing in the House under that big tent they keep talking about. The Stupid Party has clearly demonstrated the need for some leadership at the top.
As to supporting the “R” candidate simply because well, that is why the Stupid label and low campaign coffers still sticks and exists. Whose money are they wasting? Another word for Moderate, which Dede is not, is unprincipled opportunists which she certainly appears to be none the less. We don’t need elections if the Republican Party is going to run and support in Liberal Democrats masker raiding as something the Party has never stood for.
A million dollars wasted on one House race between a “R”epublican and “D”emocrat candidate that could not be distinguished on core issues. Somebody’s head need to roll and probably several. A political Party that stands for “moderation” of what every the other Party stands for is nothing but a shadow or echo of the other. Somebody had better get a clue in high places.
Bydand76| 11.2.09 @ 8:16PM
Aye.
I agree that the situation with Lieberman isnt the same as the situation in NY. My point is that the democrats are not immune to intra-party squabbles. Perhaps the Wellstone fiasco in MN would be more appropriate however in terms of using an analogy?
That was my point. Other than that I agree with you Thom. I think Dede is a liberal.
So Con| 11.3.09 @ 1:47AM
Of course Dede's a liberal--did you get a look at her?
Good G-d Almighty!
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I was taught that when a man resorts to cursing instead of reason that means he has a tired mind. I guess that some must be mentally exhausted.
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Hercules won’t help you until you have all five items from Zeus’ quest. Once you have the five items, bring them to Athena. Zeus will appear and steal them. The big jerk! Once this happens, talk to Athena and she will tell you that Hercules will help you. You’ll need to have the magic mirror from Aphrodite because Hercules doesn’t want to have to walk. He’s so lazy!
Getting the Hydra Scale poptropica
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