The Obama administration is determined to destroy democracy in
Honduras in order to save it.
(Page 2 of 2)
Even more bizarre, the State Department suggested that it might
not accept the winner of the upcoming election. When asked if the
U.S. would recognize the victor -- the race is between Zelaya's
former vice president and the opposition party candidate whom
Zelaya defeated four years ago -- an unnamed administration
official opined: "We understand that the elections loom in the
non-distant future. We certainly want this resolved before then."
State Department spokesman Philip J. Crowley was even blunter:
"Based on conditions as they currently exist, we cannot recognize
the results of this election. So for the de facto regime, they're
now in a box."
Actually, it is the people of Honduras who have been placed in a
box. The interim administration has nothing to do with the
election -- the holding of which offers further evidence that
there was no coup, at least as commonly defined. Balloting is
scheduled for Nov. 29, with the new president to take over on
January 27. There have been no allegations that the present
government intends to fix the vote, or prevent the real winner
from taking office. The Obama administration is threatening to
deny the legitimacy of the president to be freely chosen by the
Honduran people in order to pressure the outgoing authorities to
give Zelaya four more months in office.
It is an act of desperation by those who want Washington to
impose its will in Tegucigalpa. Vicki Goss of the Washington
Office on Latin America said: "It's critically important that the
U.S. government has stated that they won't recognize the November
elections." Yet this step would hurt not the supposedly
illegitimate temporary regime, but its successor -- headed by a
president who would have replaced Zelaya even had he never been
removed.
Moreover, what happens on January 27 if the Honduran authorities
still say no? Would the Obama administration refuse to recognize
the new government because the previous administration refused to
restore to power a man no longer authorized to serve under any
interpretation of the Honduras' constitution? How then would
Washington allow Tegucigalpa to escape the box -- delay the
inauguration of a new chief executive and bring Zelaya back for a
few more months? Talk about being in a box: the Obama
administration either would have to stick with sanctions which
had lost their raison d'être or initiate a humiliating
climb-down from its moral high horse.
Washington is attempting to destroy democracy in the name of
saving it. And to do so by behaving like the worst sort of
Yanqui-imperialist from yesteryear.
Even of the U.S. succeeded in imposing its will, the likely
result would be to worsen the crisis. Observes Eric Farnsworth of
the Council of the Americas, State's action "limits our options,
a violation of the first law of diplomacy, by taking off the
table the one means by which the crisis could naturally be
resolved." Imposing an outcome from the outside, an outcome
unsatisfactory to many Hondurans, via U.S. diktat likely would
deepen political divisions within Honduras. Greater, not lesser,
social strife likely would result.
Julia F. Sweig of the Council on Foreign Relations complains: "If
they can't get the cast of characters in Honduras to behave the
way they want them to, how are they going to deal with
Afghanistan or Iran?"
But Afghanistan and Iran matter in ways that Honduras does not.
Nothing important enough is at stake in Honduras to warrant
active intervention in a complex and emotional political struggle
that concerns the people of Honduras, not America.
Doug Bandowis a Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute and the Senior Fellow in International Religious Persecution at the Institute on Religion and Public Policy. A former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan, he is author of Beyond Good Intentions: A Biblical View of Politics (Crossway).
"The best position for the U.S. would have been to stay out of
the controversy. Let the Hondurans work it out themselves."
Precisely. This should be the default position for the U.S. vis a
vis all foreign policy issues in which vital U.S. interests are
not at stake - Honduras, the Russia/Georgia conflict, Israel/Arab
conflict, the Iranian protests, the Balkans in the 90s etc. It is
not the responsibility of the United States to poke its nose in
every time some group of pygmies has a squabble.
Bram| 9.8.09 @ 9:23AM
I assume the big press is on now to restore the aspiring dictator
because after November the argument will be too ridiculous for
even our State Department to pursue.
I hope the Hondurans are strong and can resist the nonsense for
another 2 months.
What's new that's what he's doing in this country too -- trying
to destroy it to produce a Hugo Chavez type "democracy" north.
BD57| 9.8.09 @ 11:22AM
Anyone believe we'd have the same policy if Zelaya was hostile to
Chavez?
Russell Morgan| 9.8.09 @ 4:14PM
Why are you saying Zelaya's National Asembly had nothing to do
with his Re-election???
"The subject to be addressed was not specified, but Zelaya was
suspected of wanting to follow Chavez's example of using a
national plebiscite to drop term limits, which are enshrined in
the Honduran constitution. Indeed, the constitution specified
that to even propose their elimination is grounds for immediate
removal from office. "
Nations aren't usually put to the fearsome test to "live free or
die." But we Hondurans are accepting it as the world pressures us
to reseat a potential dictator in office.
I feel proud of my people , my congress , our armed forces,
especially our National Heroe General Romeo Vazques that did not
sold himself to Dictador Hugo Chavez like militars in Venezuela
has done. And our Constitutional President Michelletti that have
done till now a great job!
We prefer died on our feet
with our head held high;
than live the rest of our lifes on our knees
without freedoom in hands of this dictador wannabe ZELAYA.
We want for our kids the same Honduras
we know a poor country ? yes, maybe ;but beutiful and peaceful
country ;
we have freedoom
and liberty of expresion.
we have the right to fail or suceed.
We won't fall, captive of any dictador and we won't violate our
laws and constitution just to make Obama or Chavez happy.
Honduras is the free land of the brave indians.
Now I feel even more proud of being part of this tiny country
that is so brave and defends democracy like we do.
Russell Morgan| 9.8.09 @ 4:41PM
Zelaya NOT only violated Honduran Constitution but also DISOBEYED
a Honduran Supreme Court ORDERissued on 5/27/09 SUSPENDING his
referendum because ONLY Congress with the TSE can do this! What
happens to you if you disobey a court order in the USA? WHT IF
you disobey a USA Supreme Court Order?
NOW YOU NO WHY THE HONDURAN SUPREME COURT DID NOT ACCEPT ARIAS
PROPOSAL, and I wish the Press would STOP calling that the San
Jose Accord since the Honduran government HAS NEVER ACCEPTED IT!
Are these people running the USA so stupid that they call a
proposal an accord now a days?
JorgeFromHonduras| 9.8.09 @ 5:56PM
I totally agree with Russell. What San jose Accord ? Who is in
this ¨accord¨ ? I am sure 90% of the Honduras people who do NOT
want Zelaya back are not in this ¨accord¨!
Furthermore, why are leftists marxist coming up from under the
rocks? Simply because the USA has tolerated thugs like Hugo
Chavez for too long.
Hey, I have something to tell all of you lefties ... the problem
with socialism is quite simple ... ITS TOO LATE, THINGS ALREADY
HAVE AN OWNER! You cant go around creating your dark empire
expropriating things in the name of the poor and expect NOT to
become a future USSR/Cuba fiasco!.
What the USa needs to do is be ware of these thugs. Eventually,
when all else fails (aka all socialist agendas fail), they will
start blaming the US, getting their hands on Nukes, and then well
see how a Nuke in Honduras sounds like! (Remember, Honduras is
only 2 hours from Florida). No one should tolerate this any
longer.
HONDURAS, LIVE FREE OR DIE!
J Lum| 9.24.09 @ 1:54PM
A lot of us Americans support the Hondurans totally.Are there
Honduran products we can buy to strenthen your postition?
BuddyOne| 9.8.09 @ 8:29PM
Susana, I am proud of your country, too. Like many US citizens, I
pray for the strength of your people. We are proud to call you
our neighbors. By the way, I am counting on the high quality of
your health care system, so it is doubly important that you
prevail.
Mel didn't only violate order of the Supreme Court, he publicly
declared that he would not obey the orders of the Supreme Court
(self-acknowlegement!)
He admitted he participated in fraud in his own election, and the
new govenment has evidence that the referendum and the 4th ballot
would have been total frauds. He usurped the authority of the
Supreme Electoral Tribunal by ordering the referendum by decree
for which he was not Constitutional authorized to do.
He didn't abide by his Constitutional duties by vetoing or
ratifying 96 bills from the National Congress. It's quite easy
for a rogue president to render his legislature branch impotent
if this is tolerated. He was already basically ruling by decree,
and he refused to submit budget according to law.
Mel Zelaya was the sole authority of law and of government and of
elections- a dictator- by his own views and actions.
Anybody who supports his return, support dictators: Plain and
Simple.
Why does US support dictator? Clearly the Obama Left wanted a
Chavez-written constitution installed, with power consolidated
forever as a Socialist satellite state of Chavez. They believe in
Marxism, with the will and liberty of the people of Honduras be
damned.
The subject to be addressed was not specified, but Zelaya was
suspected of wanting to follow Chavez's example of using a
national plebiscite to drop term limits, which are enshrined in
the Honduran constitution. Bailey
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clayton| 9.9.09 @ 7:05AM
Obama wants to be just like Hugo Chavez. He wants to go the
socialist way, like Europe, Asia and now most of South America.
He will have more friends in his Socialist/Communist world, and
he will get to wear a Military Uniform or a crown if he wants to.
Then, when he dies, his brother, who is in Africa now can become
king.
Sensible people, though, wish to see him ousted ASAP. God bless
those people in Hondrous for doing the right thing.
I think this politics isn't good.
U.S. leaders have to be more constractive.
Distant observer| 9.9.09 @ 9:04PM
Kudos to Doug Bandow! So well said and clearly spelled out. Let
the Honduran people govern themselves. They are doing a better
job of defending their democracy than all other South American
nations combined.
Jorge and Susana: I'm deeply ashamed of the politicians in
Washington for supporting tyrants. The Honduran people are
providing the people of the United States with an inspiring
reminder of the fact that freedom isn't free.
Richard Baker| 9.11.09 @ 5:32PM
The Hondurans are trying to re-teach the lessons that the
Founding Fathers taught during the American Revolution. Of
course, the Kenyan hates what the Hondurans are doing. Sic Semper
Tyrannis.
WH Simon| 9.23.09 @ 2:02PM
OAS should arrange for Zelaya to be removed from the Brazilian
embassy, placed under house arrest, and tried immediately by the
appropriate Honduran court. If found innocent of charges he
should be restored to the Presidency until his replacement by a
president chosen by the Hondurans on Nov 29, 2009. If found
guilty he should be permanently removed from the Presidency and
punished appropriately.
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S.L. Toddard| 9.8.09 @ 7:39AM
"The best position for the U.S. would have been to stay out of the controversy. Let the Hondurans work it out themselves."
Precisely. This should be the default position for the U.S. vis a vis all foreign policy issues in which vital U.S. interests are not at stake - Honduras, the Russia/Georgia conflict, Israel/Arab conflict, the Iranian protests, the Balkans in the 90s etc. It is not the responsibility of the United States to poke its nose in every time some group of pygmies has a squabble.
Bram| 9.8.09 @ 9:23AM
I assume the big press is on now to restore the aspiring dictator because after November the argument will be too ridiculous for even our State Department to pursue.
I hope the Hondurans are strong and can resist the nonsense for another 2 months.
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Michael Tomlinson| 9.8.09 @ 11:13AM
What's new that's what he's doing in this country too -- trying to destroy it to produce a Hugo Chavez type "democracy" north.
BD57| 9.8.09 @ 11:22AM
Anyone believe we'd have the same policy if Zelaya was hostile to Chavez?
Russell Morgan| 9.8.09 @ 4:14PM
Why are you saying Zelaya's National Asembly had nothing to do with his Re-election???
"The subject to be addressed was not specified, but Zelaya was suspected of wanting to follow Chavez's example of using a national plebiscite to drop term limits, which are enshrined in the Honduran constitution. Indeed, the constitution specified that to even propose their elimination is grounds for immediate removal from office. "
You want to see ZELAYA SPECIFY IT? Go here and watch starting at 5.29 mark!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rlqv-4t-L4
Susana| 9.8.09 @ 4:23PM
Nations aren't usually put to the fearsome test to "live free or die." But we Hondurans are accepting it as the world pressures us to reseat a potential dictator in office.
I feel proud of my people , my congress , our armed forces, especially our National Heroe General Romeo Vazques that did not sold himself to Dictador Hugo Chavez like militars in Venezuela has done. And our Constitutional President Michelletti that have done till now a great job!
We prefer died on our feet
with our head held high;
than live the rest of our lifes on our knees
without freedoom in hands of this dictador wannabe ZELAYA.
We want for our kids the same Honduras
we know a poor country ? yes, maybe ;but beutiful and peaceful country ;
we have freedoom
and liberty of expresion.
we have the right to fail or suceed.
We won't fall, captive of any dictador and we won't violate our laws and constitution just to make Obama or Chavez happy.
Honduras is the free land of the brave indians.
Now I feel even more proud of being part of this tiny country that is so brave and defends democracy like we do.
Russell Morgan| 9.8.09 @ 4:41PM
Zelaya NOT only violated Honduran Constitution but also DISOBEYED a Honduran Supreme Court ORDERissued on 5/27/09 SUSPENDING his referendum because ONLY Congress with the TSE can do this! What happens to you if you disobey a court order in the USA? WHT IF you disobey a USA Supreme Court Order?
Go here to see Supreme Court order..
http://www.poderjudicial.gob.h.....pecial.htm
Go to bottom and click on pdfs to see all their rulings in this matter!
NOW YOU NO WHY THE HONDURAN SUPREME COURT DID NOT ACCEPT ARIAS PROPOSAL, and I wish the Press would STOP calling that the San Jose Accord since the Honduran government HAS NEVER ACCEPTED IT! Are these people running the USA so stupid that they call a proposal an accord now a days?
JorgeFromHonduras| 9.8.09 @ 5:56PM
I totally agree with Russell. What San jose Accord ? Who is in this ¨accord¨ ? I am sure 90% of the Honduras people who do NOT want Zelaya back are not in this ¨accord¨!
Furthermore, why are leftists marxist coming up from under the rocks? Simply because the USA has tolerated thugs like Hugo Chavez for too long.
Hey, I have something to tell all of you lefties ... the problem with socialism is quite simple ... ITS TOO LATE, THINGS ALREADY HAVE AN OWNER! You cant go around creating your dark empire expropriating things in the name of the poor and expect NOT to become a future USSR/Cuba fiasco!.
What the USa needs to do is be ware of these thugs. Eventually, when all else fails (aka all socialist agendas fail), they will start blaming the US, getting their hands on Nukes, and then well see how a Nuke in Honduras sounds like! (Remember, Honduras is only 2 hours from Florida). No one should tolerate this any longer.
HONDURAS, LIVE FREE OR DIE!
J Lum| 9.24.09 @ 1:54PM
A lot of us Americans support the Hondurans totally.Are there Honduran products we can buy to strenthen your postition?
BuddyOne| 9.8.09 @ 8:29PM
Susana, I am proud of your country, too. Like many US citizens, I pray for the strength of your people. We are proud to call you our neighbors. By the way, I am counting on the high quality of your health care system, so it is doubly important that you prevail.
Ke Ja| 9.8.09 @ 11:01PM
Hi,
If you want a good chronology of what happened over many months, please read this:
http://www.hondurasthisweek.co.....ras-crisis
There are some other editorials there too.
Enjoy my videos from Honduras, by Hondurans
http://youtube.com/SupportHonduras
Mel didn't only violate order of the Supreme Court, he publicly declared that he would not obey the orders of the Supreme Court (self-acknowlegement!)
He admitted he participated in fraud in his own election, and the new govenment has evidence that the referendum and the 4th ballot would have been total frauds. He usurped the authority of the Supreme Electoral Tribunal by ordering the referendum by decree for which he was not Constitutional authorized to do.
He didn't abide by his Constitutional duties by vetoing or ratifying 96 bills from the National Congress. It's quite easy for a rogue president to render his legislature branch impotent if this is tolerated. He was already basically ruling by decree, and he refused to submit budget according to law.
Mel Zelaya was the sole authority of law and of government and of elections- a dictator- by his own views and actions.
Anybody who supports his return, support dictators: Plain and Simple.
Why does US support dictator? Clearly the Obama Left wanted a Chavez-written constitution installed, with power consolidated forever as a Socialist satellite state of Chavez. They believe in Marxism, with the will and liberty of the people of Honduras be damned.
Ryan Wilson| 9.9.09 @ 3:24AM
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clayton| 9.9.09 @ 7:05AM
Obama wants to be just like Hugo Chavez. He wants to go the socialist way, like Europe, Asia and now most of South America. He will have more friends in his Socialist/Communist world, and he will get to wear a Military Uniform or a crown if he wants to. Then, when he dies, his brother, who is in Africa now can become king.
Sensible people, though, wish to see him ousted ASAP. God bless those people in Hondrous for doing the right thing.
Vsevolodich| 9.9.09 @ 3:05PM
I think this politics isn't good.
U.S. leaders have to be more constractive.
Distant observer| 9.9.09 @ 9:04PM
Kudos to Doug Bandow! So well said and clearly spelled out. Let the Honduran people govern themselves. They are doing a better job of defending their democracy than all other South American nations combined.
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Jorge and Susana: I'm deeply ashamed of the politicians in Washington for supporting tyrants. The Honduran people are providing the people of the United States with an inspiring reminder of the fact that freedom isn't free.
Richard Baker| 9.11.09 @ 5:32PM
The Hondurans are trying to re-teach the lessons that the Founding Fathers taught during the American Revolution. Of course, the Kenyan hates what the Hondurans are doing. Sic Semper Tyrannis.
WH Simon| 9.23.09 @ 2:02PM
OAS should arrange for Zelaya to be removed from the Brazilian embassy, placed under house arrest, and tried immediately by the appropriate Honduran court. If found innocent of charges he should be restored to the Presidency until his replacement by a president chosen by the Hondurans on Nov 29, 2009. If found guilty he should be permanently removed from the Presidency and punished appropriately.
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