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When a President Lies: Why Linda Douglass Should Resign
The Vietnamization of the health care debate: White House aide
defends untruth.
(Page 2 of 4)
What is her responsibility is to accurately and truthfully tell the American people what the President and his staff are really about, what their goals are, what they are doing and why they are doing it.
In response to the discovery of tapes showing candidate Obama explain exactly what his goals are in health care policy, Ms. Douglass answers with a White House video of her own. She says that the idea we have just seen Mr. Obama say exactly what he said with our own eyes is just not so. In fact “nothing could be farther than the truth”
What does Obama say in the Douglass video? He says: “Here’s the guarantee that I’ve made. If you have insurance that you like then you will be able to keep that insurance. If you’ve got a doctor that you like you will be able to keep your doctor. Nobody is trying to change what works in the system. We are trying to change what doesn’t work in the system.”
Now.
Notice the central untruth here. On the one tape, unedited and not shown by Douglass Obama says:
“I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There’s going to be, potentially, some transition process: I can envision a decade out, or 15 years out, or 20 years out.”
Yet Douglass shows him saying something quite different:
“If you have insurance that you like then you will be able to keep that insurance….Nobody is trying to change what works in the system.”
In other words, back in the days when the presumed-Democratic nominee was Hillary Clinton and very few people were paying attention to Barack Obama as he prowled the left-wing caverns of his party, the future president felt free to state his health care plans in crystal clear language. His goal, he said, is to “eliminate employer coverage” although he admits there’s going to be a transition process that is “15 years out, or 20 years out.” He leaves no doubt at the SEIU and the AFL-CIO that:
“I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care plan…that’s what I’d like to see.”
Single-payer, universal health care would, of course, eventually eliminate the private insurer, the backbone of employer-based, high-quality health care. It would effectively herd most Americans into a “public option” plan that would not be shared by elites, be they the wealthy, Members of Congress current and past, presidents and former presidents, Hollywood celebrities and so on. ObamaCare’s critics have used the term “Trojan Horse” to describe the Obama answers as presented by Douglass and the President himself. As in the ancient story, once the Obama “public option” is through the gates, private insurance will, as the President himself said when no one was looking, eventually be eliminated, even if it takes 15 or 20 years to do it.
While the President and his critics disagree as to whether this should be done, in fact they both agree that this will in fact be the end result if the President gets his way. The President himself says flatly that is his objective. Based on his actions since taking office, with government controlling everything from General Motors to banks to financial institutions, there is no reason to doubt his stated intentions on health care.
Having shown us one set of tapes but not the other, in wonderfully Sylvesterian style Douglass looks the camera in the eye and, assuming the rest of us are stupid, says: “It’s very important for you to have the facts.”
And with that, Linda Douglass wins her Sylvester.
THE REALLY DISTURBING PART of this comes right about now, as it begins to dawn on startled Americans — as it was slowly dawning on the journalists covering Mr. McNamara in the early 1960s — that officials representing the government have made lying about policy a policy unto itself. In Sylvester-speak, they are watching another set of government officials who believe, like their Vietnam-era predecessors, that government has “an inherent right to lie.”
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Jeffrey Lord is a former Reagan White House political director and author. He writes from Pennsylvania at jlpa1@aol.com.
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Steve| 8.11.09 @ 6:37AM
Another great piece, Mr. Lord; however.....the establishment press may be limping these days, but they will pull out all the stops to protect Mr. Obama, as the NYT calls him. They succeeded to a significant extent in salvaging Bill Clinton's second term and savaging GWB's second term. The fact that Ms Douglas is a card-carrying member of the establishment press will entitle her to protection privileges.
During the late sixties, the press went to bat AGAINST LBJ and the result was mayhem. Had they decided to work on his behalf the story may have been entirely different. Sadly, their power to deceive large chunks of the public goes on, unabated. Will this time be different? One hopes.
Rocco| 8.11.09 @ 6:41AM
Douglass isn't leaving. Nope, won't happen. Only Republicans resign. Democraps reward their liars and cheats and stuff it down our throats. My hope is that people are FINALLY starting to wake up with this health care issue. Time to flush Obama and his other POS's down the toilet!!!
Appleby| 8.11.09 @ 7:12AM
Keep these people front and centre. The more they talk, the more people will awake and challenge what they say. People who thought the most important thing in the world was who got the Rose last night are suddenly realizing that the Brown Shirts are here.
Richard Baker| 8.11.09 @ 7:22AM
Sunshine IS still the best disinfectant.
Patrick Greene| 8.11.09 @ 7:28AM
Keep these people working for Obama. The more they talk, the more voters they lose.
drudge ette obama| 8.11.09 @ 7:37AM
Douglass has a reputation, but not that of a hard-driving journalist. There are few of those left. Just look at those so-called Obama news conferences.
A real journalist would have uncovered that tape during the election preamble and put it front and center. Douglass may never have looked for fear of what she might have found. Even if she had found it, she may have deep-sixed it for fear she would be labeled an Obama-Enemy. It is all about her, not journalism. She's in the right place. Is there a hack in the House? You betcha.
I saw her attempt to convince people that what they saw wasn't really what they saw and heard. She must think we are gullible. I did not find her credible. She was also patronizing and uninteresting.
William L | 8.11.09 @ 7:38AM
It is so nice to see WE THE PEOPLE getting up front and vocal with the REAL Un-Americans, the liberals.
They will be crushed in the 2010 elections if we keep up the heat on this group of pompous UnAmericans that we must tolerate as government officials, for now. Calling citizens a MOB and such will come back to haunt them forever.
drudge ette obama| 8.11.09 @ 7:53AM
William L. , I agree, it's nice to see people fighting for something that actually matters.
I further suggest that people email Douglass at flag@whitehouse.gov and respectfully request to be placed on the enemies list. Remember, overwhelm the system. That's the methodology employed by ACORN and Obama.
Mattled| 8.11.09 @ 7:55AM
Mr. Lord,
I have read many articles from you and others regarding the media. I think it was someone here, perhaps you, who called for a boycott of General Electric.
Although I am participating being an avid observer of politics, most people aren't. They think it's still OK to watch NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN or get their local paper.
What can one little viewer or subscription change they probably think?
Well, one times ten, times ten, times ten can get quite big.
A plan at the grassroots level should begin. Look at the Tea Parties. Look at the Anti-ObamaCare protesters.
I've said it many times. Let's start at a local Republican chapter, county or otherwise, and get motivated at the grassroots level to put heat on local papers AND local affiliates.
NBC, ABC, and CBS News are all 98% biased (I didn't mention CNN, but we can include as well as MSNBC) towards whatever it takes to cover and proviDe more cover. It's obvious and disgusting (read Dorothy Rabinowitz in WSJ this morning).
Well, these network news organizations get delivered to viewers thru local affiliates. Get to the local affiliates and hammer them.
I spent twenty years at local affiliates. They DON'T like being called and targeted. Who else is going to shame the network news?
Us? No.
You? Probably not (no offense).
Brent Bozell from MRC called for George Stephanoupolous to be off ABC. Didn't get too far. George is even worse today.
Grassroots Mr. Lord---it works!!!
frost| 8.11.09 @ 8:24AM
Perhaps/probably the best, most insightful column Mr. Lord's written in a looong time.
Says bunches.
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Linda Douglass & The Truth « A Political Dookie links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
KevlarKevin| 8.11.09 @ 9:03AM
Where's that Axelrod stooge Liberal Reader? He is supposed to be here to defend Obama Care.
G. A. Kevis| 8.11.09 @ 9:11AM
" ... Or her reputation ...."
Understand that swamp things in/from LMSM naturally gravitate to - a swamp. Duh.
2Anglico| 8.11.09 @ 9:35AM
I heard a great observation the other day. Obama says this here healthcare system we have now is ruining the country, bankrupting us, causing little kids to miss out on seeing their doctor.... why would Obama WANT this evil system to continue at all???????? The LOGICAL step for him would be to ELIMINATE the evil he sees.
He HAS to LIE, otherwise most people would keep what they have.
HEY MIDDLE AMERICA| 8.11.09 @ 9:38AM
it is time for all freedom loving patriotic americans to start fighting back against barryboo and his
criminal thugs...and we can start by making our own lists...everybody has at least 1 neighbor or co
worker who is a flaming lib or seiu union member or acorn thug...start to compile stats on these
people and their families...do this on paper not your computer...also take pictures of them and their
families and their friends and their cars...keep this info hidden until the time is right...they are
using violence against ordinary americans with whom they disagree and barryboo hasn't condemned it and
in fact is escalating this so there will be a time when we will have to resort to violence in self
defense and the law is on our side...we will set up secure servers and on given signals will activate
them so you can upload the info which will be critical to our self defense...if these goons think they
can intimidate and actually attack our family members then we can do the same to them...they will
think twice about leaving their children alone when going on "hit missions"...if barryboo wants to
organize criminals to intimidate us it is important to know where they sleep so get as much info on
known gang members as possible...also union activists and members...this is not illegal and will be
used solely for self preservation...
RustyG| 8.11.09 @ 10:17AM
I think Mrs. Douglass should be cut a little slack.
She must be a very talented individual due to the fact that she was able to somehow make the unbelievable career shift from MSM reporter to a paid shill for Obama.
Who would have thought anyone would be able to pull that off.
Tony in Central PA| 8.11.09 @ 10:17AM
Turncoat senator Arlen Specter is having a town hall meeting tomorrow in State College, PA ostensibly to discuss health care reform. State College is a liberal enclave in a sea of conservatism, so its not exactly a representative choice. I expect he will pack the audience with liberal supporters and he may even bring in a few union goons from Philly to provide security ( I understand the Hell's Angels weren't available ). I just hope a few people are able to get through the gauntlet to demand some truthful answers. Not that the truth means much to a lot of people nowadays.
Robert Rosencrans| 8.11.09 @ 10:20AM
The problem with Ms. Douglas starts with President Obama. Candidate Obama promised the most ethical and transparent administration in U.S. history.
From the date of this inauguration that promise has faded, only to be filled with a series of lies and public treachery evidenced by a never ending flood of lies and deception.
In the meantime, the state run press in this country holds his hand and ignores all the broken promises and tries to mitigate his lies by attacking members of the public who point out his lies or speak out against his misbegotten policies.
One of the first promises to fall was that there would be no lobbyists in the administration. Robert Gibbs responded that there have to exceptions to the rules.
That statement ushered in a corrupt administration whose lofty goals have been tarnished by an orchestrated series of deceptions and lies to the public.
Obama went out of his way to appoint tax cheats into prominent positions, including they consummate liar Timothy Geithner as Treasury Secretary. When Mr. Geithner is not bailing out his Wall Street cronies he is busy misleading the public.
The Obama administration has appointed at least 32 official czars, including a pay czar. One of the czars is an avowed Communist. Many of the others are left wing ideologues who view the public as herds, not individuals.
Obama himself lies constantly about his intents on the health care plan, so Ms. Douglas is only emulating the behavior of her boss.
I agree that this administration has taken lying to a new level, creating an American Politburo, ruthless in it's intent and methods.
Robert Rosencrans| 8.11.09 @ 10:20AM
The problem with Ms. Douglas starts with President Obama. Candidate Obama promised the most ethical and transparent administration in U.S. history.
From the date of this inauguration that promise has faded, only to be filled with a series of lies and public treachery evidenced by a never ending flood of lies and deception.
In the meantime, the state run press in this country holds his hand and ignores all the broken promises and tries to mitigate his lies by attacking members of the public who point out his lies or speak out against his misbegotten policies.
One of the first promises to fall was that there would be no lobbyists in the administration. Robert Gibbs responded that there have to exceptions to the rules.
That statement ushered in a corrupt administration whose lofty goals have been tarnished by an orchestrated series of deceptions and lies to the public.
Obama went out of his way to appoint tax cheats into prominent positions, including they consummate liar Timothy Geithner as Treasury Secretary. When Mr. Geithner is not bailing out his Wall Street cronies he is busy misleading the public.
The Obama administration has appointed at least 32 official czars, including a pay czar. One of the czars is an avowed Communist. Many of the others are left wing ideologues who view the public as herds, not individuals.
Obama himself lies constantly about his intents on the health care plan, so Ms. Douglas is only emulating the behavior of her boss.
I agree that this administration has taken lying to a new level, creating an American Politburo, ruthless in it's intent and methods.
Joe| 8.11.09 @ 10:24AM
Should we be surprise, this is what they have been doing for decades since FDR. It is just a different package. You who voted for this clown, I hope you finally have awaken (a bit too late). You vote for a socialist (Democrat) and that is what you get.
Louis Jenkins| 8.11.09 @ 10:36AM
"Look, if you think any American official is going to tell you the truth, than you're stupid. Did you hear that? -- Stupid."
Amen. It does not matter if Republican or Democrat. Lies abound. The public is beginning to awake to these fabrications.
Bill| 8.11.09 @ 11:30AM
This article sounds "fishy". I'm afraid I will have to report you Mr. Lord.
Paul from SA| 8.11.09 @ 11:43AM
I watched her defense of Obama and her attack of the Drudge headline on CNN. It was pathetic. She is pathetic. Liberals do not care about honesty like the rest of us.
She is probably being rewarded behind the scenes by her collegues and superiors for a job well-done.
Pingback| 8.11.09 @ 12:10PM
We have to face the fact that the President is not an honest guy « Jim Blazsik links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Kent Lyon| 8.11.09 @ 1:20PM
As Mr. Lord makes clear, the American people have become well accustomed to presidents and politicians generally lying profusely to them. A feature to which the public is also adapting is the media standard of lying blatantly and consistently(think Dan Rather and national guard papers). What is striking is the fact that townhallers are refusing to accept the lies any longer, and are challenging the politicians directly, to which the politicians are not accustomed, and ignoring the press, much to the financial distress of the media. Obama and his administration, and politicians generally, and those with political power, now assume the perogative of lying to the public. Hence, Ms. Douglas, a member of the press and the administration, has no hesitancy whatsoever to lie blatantly. Politicians now also assume,as a matter of course, the perogative of rewarding political allies and contributors with public money via ear-marks. A new feature of the Obama administration, the change he meant, apparently, is the bullying and threatening approach to political opponents, along with a quasi-fascist approach to just about everything--the Chicago way translated into national politics. Hence the illegal firing of IG's (why doesn't this spur the outrage that the Saturday Night massacre did under Nixon?) and the dropping of already won cases of voter intimidation by the New Black Panthers (no rule of law in this administration, obviously). This is rather new in America, at least the way Obama pursues it, such as sending ACORN operatives to the homes of AIG executives to harass and intimidate them, or sending SEIU goons in purple shirts (we had the Nazi brownshirts modeled on the Mussolini fascist blackshirts, now we have the Obama purple shirts--ht to Michelle Malkin on that term--that are the American equivilent of the Iranian Basij, to beat attendees at town hall meetings. Welcome to Amerika.
Hair| 8.11.09 @ 1:37PM
"drudge ette obama| 8.11.09 @ 7:53AM
William L. , I agree, it's nice to see people fighting for something that actually matters.
I further suggest that people email Douglass at flag@whitehouse.gov and respectfully request to be placed on the enemies list. Remember, overwhelm the system. That's the methodology employed by ACORN and Obama. "
Daily I send them a copy in PDF form of HR3200 and tell them I have found it an obvious lie as compared to what Obama has stated!
Don| 8.11.09 @ 1:52PM
Many of those who voted for obama are now upset with his socialist agenda and wild spending spree. Instead of believing the hype and lies of the liberal-controlled media they should have spent a little time checking out his record as a US Senator from Illinois, his association with questionable characters, and his close ties with the corrupt demorat Crook County/Chicago machine. ACORN vote rigging for Obama in important swing states imitated what the dems do for every election in Crook County where one party rule has been in effect for decades. Elections are staged to make voting look legitimate.
Grzmlyk| 8.11.09 @ 2:06PM
Robert Rosencrans, you are right as usual.
The medium through which the liberal apparatus always works - indeed, the ONLY medium through which it CAN work - is deception. Because the whole raison d'etre of the left is to control and exploit the population without them realizing they are mere grist in a vast power game.
Dems have no more use for the people who support them than Cleopatra had for any particular slave charged with holding her aloft in her bejeweled litter. If any one slave falls under the weight of all that opulence, there's always more where he came from.
It never ceases to amaze me that all of my colleagues, peers and co-workers are loyal little Democrats because they think Dems are for the little guy, and that liberals are the ones who "care." NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
These useful idiots do not accept the demonstrable fact that virtually all of the corruption in this country comes from Democrat-controlled mechanisms. Wall Street? DEMOCRATS. Car Companies? Mostly DEMOCRATS. Big Insurance? DEMOCRATS. Trial lawyers? DEMOCRATS. Big Real Estate? DEMOCRATS.
Why? Because these erstwhile capitalists see that the path of least resistance is the most lucrative; rather than rely on the free market and honest competition to get ahead, they indulge in the fixed game that is Big Government Social Engineering. And since true conservatives do not believe in Big Government, that leaves one group holding the checkbook: Democrats.
If just 10 percent of the mainstream media were honest, Obama would be toast already. That will never happen. The die is cast. They have crossed the Rubicon and will never look back or, like Lot's wife, they shall become pillars of salt.
And that ever-more obvious truth is that he is a despicable human being and a power-mad, craven, arrogant, ignorant, angry, ideologically inebriated crook. And he has populated his administration with like-minded self-serving felons.
If any rank-and-file Democrats still have any doubts as to who the recipients of Obama's largese shall be, they are too stupid to be allowed to vote.
Because one thing's for sure: It ain't gonna be them.
Maybe - just maybe - the American people will be able to overrun the administrations battlements so tenaciously guarded by the mainstream media. If that happens - and healthcare is shaping up as the flashpoint - Obama's utter vacuity will be exposed for all but his minions and sycophants to see.
And that is what HAS to happen.
Marc Jeric| 8.11.09 @ 2:24PM
Only one thing is really important in the health care reform - and that is tort reform. LOSER PAYS! Like losers automatically must pay all the direct and indirect costs of the defendant and the courts in all civilized countries of the world. That will eliminate not only the number of trial lawyer hyenas fishing for "victims" - it will also take away a major money from our communists; it will eliminate the exorbitant malpractice insurance rates; and it will cut drastically the waste of defensive medicine. Savings - about one trillion dollars per year. Also, our eco-nazis will have to think deeply before trying to stop development by inventing "rare species protection", "pristine environment", "radiation damage", "dangerous chemicals", and other invented dangers.
Bruce | 8.11.09 @ 2:34PM
Something for the lefties in govt to consider ...
" ... That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
--The Declaration of Independence
genghis| 8.11.09 @ 2:35PM
The Democrat Congress is arrogant. The President is a serial liar. The mainstream media elites are craven lapdogs. It is indeed shameful how far we have fallen. But we shall overcome. It cuts both ways.
Dixie Pixie| 8.11.09 @ 3:14PM
“”YOU MUST THINK ME STUPID TO MAKE YOUR LIES SO TRANSPARENT!!!!.””
Worf, Star Trek, Deep Space Nine.
crmang| 8.11.09 @ 3:29PM
I might also suggest that Ms. Douglass may be following the Chico Marx approach to government service. In a scene from the Marx Brothers movie classic, Duck Soup, Margaret Dumont questions Chico’s obviously dubious credibility. Chico, ever the shyster, retorts, “Who you gonna believe, me or your own eyes?”
The similarities are striking.
General of the Culture Wars| 8.11.09 @ 4:08PM
Administration officials used to leave and join the media in various capacities. Now the failed ranks of the liberal press wait with orgiastic breath to join the Obama administration, which pretty much means thay have given up journalism for good. Or are tjhey doing the same thing on the other side of the street? What the general public is left to ask is this: what is the difference between media spin and Obama-spin? The answer? Virtually nothing. Linda Douglas is such an elitist that she cannot realize that people see right through her act. As the "cashier" on Seinfeld said "I didn't like your act. It just didn't do it for me." Even a cashier can see through Linda Douglas
Al Adab| 8.11.09 @ 4:23PM
Shouldn't we forward this Fishy article to Flag@whitehouse.gov? After all they are watching out for us.
Bury their servers in millions of forwards.
Eliot| 8.11.09 @ 6:42PM
For those who haven't seen the actual bill, you ought to read the bill yourself; Section 163 is one of the sections the Dems say is a lie, yet there it is!:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf
Also, one of Obama's big health care advisors is Rahm Emmanuel's brother, and he has stated that he's for strict rationing of health care, and according to his own published work, if you're in your fifties, forget it, you're not worth the effort to keep you alive:
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/PIIS0140673609601379.pdf
The truth is there, just LOOK at it!
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URGENT: MIAMI TOWN HALL MEETING – Senator Bill Nelson 8/13/09 « FactReal links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
PCP Smoker| 8.11.09 @ 7:47PM
Nailed it as usual. You are rapidly become the Levin of the American Spectator. Good job. Now, if we could get rid of the creep Ben Stein and [politically] bloody Socialist Hussein, the natural order of things would return
I urge all conservatives to email the WH and announce yourself as a source of truth against socialist healthcare. I did it, and I did it without the handler.
Peace!
defeated pigs| 8.11.09 @ 9:28PM
PORTSMOUTH, N.H. – Braced for a fight he never got, President Barack Obama went on the offensive in support of his health care plan Tuesday, urging a town hall audience not to listen to those who seek to "scare and mislead the American people."
"For all the scare tactics out there, what is truly scary is if we do nothing," Obama told a friendly crowd of about 1,800 in a high school auditorium and a nationwide audience watching on cable television.
The White House had been ready for an unruly reception from opponents of overhauling health care. There was no sign of that, perhaps because of the makeup of the day's crowd or out of traditional deference for the president.
Richard Baker| 8.11.09 @ 9:40PM
Patrick Greene:
Agreed. The more these low grade morons speak the faster their ship sinks.
Freedom's Child| 8.12.09 @ 2:20AM
Defeated Pig--of course Obummer got no flak today-he stacked the deck! He astroturfed that gathering to make sure of it.
53% of Americans DON'T want OBAMASCARE--it's going down, and so is Obama's administration, moron.
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Linda Douglass links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
james| 8.12.09 @ 9:14AM
Douglass isn't going anywhere. Now that she's in on the tax-payer funded pension and health care gravy train that all these parasites get, she'll stay as long as she needs to to establish her bona fides for a permanent guvmint job later on. "I work at the White House," she gets to say. And she's the type for whom that means everything, and for whom it trumps everythng, like truth and honor.
Heads on pikes, coming right up.
slim| 8.12.09 @ 1:20PM
Fine but respectfully, you could GET TO THE POINT with a lot LESS words, to wit:
Obama, Douglass, et al, are lying to the Nation and violating the law.
(far too many words to convey the message)
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When a President Lies: Why Linda Douglass Should Resign « links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Richard Baker| 8.13.09 @ 1:34PM
My question is: Does Douglass have her knee pads handy for the Kenyan?
mark in boston| 8.13.09 @ 3:25PM
another right wingnut hack job...
I know any significant healthcare revision will not be perfect, but it will be better than what we have now...
the right wing nuts are laughable. I feel sorry for them. they have my condolances and pity...
Richard Baker| 8.13.09 @ 8:38PM
Mark:
Our system is so bad that the world streams to it everyday. Such foolishness masquerading as reason.
دليل مواقع | 12.17.09 @ 11:16PM
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حكاوينا | 12.18.09 @ 12:19AM
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Voodoo Obamanomics: More Creepy Tales of the Undead Zombie Health Care Plan : The Ot links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
JOOOOOONY| 2.24.10 @ 9:55AM
http://www.rgmiagate.com/vb/
greg| 8.13.10 @ 10:16AM
nice article.
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