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Us Versus Them
What conservatives believe is right.
We are for freedom, they are for coercion.
We are for personal choice when other lives aren’t at stake. They are for choice only when the choice involves other lives being snuffed out.
We are for personal responsibility enforced by self-restraint and social norms. They are for responsibility imposed from without by government bureaucrats.
We conservatives are for the ideals that make America America. They, the liberals, are for transforming America into an imagined utopia enforced by command and control, based on values alien to the great American tradition.
We are for conserving, through private action, what is best in human nature, with reliance on the grace of God. They are for catalyzing, through government action, a change in the very nature of man, with reliance on the ability to imprison those who oppose their brave new world.
We are for health care decisions being made by doctors and their patients, perhaps within parameters established by freely chosen insurance. We believe in the ability, through health savings accounts, to self-insure; we believe in the privilege of buying insurance across state lines, or through self-selected insurance pools — and in the right to refuse insurance at all if we so desire. They are for having distant bureaucrats make health care decisions that are binding and irreversible, and in phasing private insurance completely out of existence. They believe that everybody should be forced into insurance pools run or regulated heavily by the government, in which one size fits all and cost controls are more important than individual decisions.
We think the American people are smart enough to choose our own cars and own hierarchy of values. They think Americans can’t be trusted with automotive autonomy because our values aren’t in sync with saving the planet.
We believe that individual states ought to decide whether to allow energy production off their coasts. They believe the federal government should save states from the supposed environmental degradation of offshore drilling. (Never mind, by the way, that far more environmental damage is caused by leaks and spills from tankers bringing foreign energy to the United States than is caused by leaks and spills from pipelines carrying domestically produced oil and gas.)
We believe that the productive industry and ingenuity of the American people can, with time, overcome almost any economic obstacle. They believe that only a self-appointed elite can channel American restlessness in productive directions.
We believe that low taxes inspire progress. They believe that high taxes are needed for government to pay for progress — and to punish those who earn “too much” for the likings of self-proclaimed “progressives.”
We believe that government must be limited not merely for the sake of fiscal responsibility, but for the sake of liberty. They believe that government must be large in order to insure fairness, and that fiscal responsibility therefore requires ever-higher taxes. We believe (within reason) that government is best which governs least. They believe that government is best which governs most strenuously.
We believe in equality of liberty. They believe in equality of result achieved, implicitly, at the point of a gun.
We believe in ordered liberty. They believe in libertinism.
We believe in a moral order rooted in God’s glory and in the wisdom of the ages. They believe in a moral (dis)order that is man-made, post-modern, and not reliant on — and sometimes hostile to the very notion of — God.
We believe parents usually are, and should be, the best educators of our children. They believe parents can’t be trusted even to choose which schools their children attend.
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Quin Hillyer is a senior editor of The American Spectator and a senior fellow at the Center for Individual Freedom. Follow him on Twitter @QuinHillyer.
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Robert Rosencrans| 8.7.09 @ 6:23AM
Everything they believe in diminishes the individual. Everything we believe in pertains to individual prosperity and individual rights.
Appleby| 8.7.09 @ 7:02AM
We believe that the most dangerous people in the world are the busybodies, the Marching Mommies, the people whose fevered dream is to stride the world screaming NO NO! and slapping legal producs out of the hands of informed adults.
They believe that we would be much happier if only we would just do everything they say.
We believe that the best way to get the job done is to tell the people who have experience what we want done and then go away and leave them to it.
They believe all the answers are in the back of the book, and they are all known only by those who have at least three degrees from The Right Schools...even if those people have never even seen the work done, much less done it themselves. (And this includes people who have never even baby sat who are nevertheless positive that they know better than the mother of 8 how children ought to be reared.)
We believe if we bought it, we own it and it is ours to use as we wish.
They believe we should only use our own property as they tell us to. (For example, we should be forced to declare our premises smoke free, but forbidden from declaring them child free.)
We believe parents are responsible for their children -- from conception to the age of majority -- including food, clothing, shelter, education, transportation, entertainment, criminal and disruptive behaviour.
They believe parents are the only people who are NOT responsible for any of the above.
We believe in the Marketplace of Ideas, that no idea ever existed that could not be discussed, and that people who are forced to defend their beliefs either grow stronger in those beliefs or discover that they are incorrect and alter them.
They believe that everyone should be forced to wear the company hat and sing the company song, and dissent is dangerous -- dissent, that is, with the company line.
We believe in arguments based on facts, reason, logic and experience.
They believe in fights based on ad hominem attacks, smears, personal animosity and imprisonment.
We believe children should be shepherded toward adulthood by being taught to adhere to community standards.
They believe in perpetual childhood that rejects all standards save the toddler cries of Gimmee and You are Not The Boss of Me.
Douglas M Dillon | 8.7.09 @ 7:08AM
Same old conservative B.S.
Its not conservatives vs liberals. Its what are we going to do about the corruption?
Republicans (supposedly conservatives) run the government and big bankers and other big companies control government for the purpose of locking in monopolistic profit or otherwise looting the tax payer. Democrats control government: Big bankers and other big companies control government for the purpose of locking in monopolistic profit or otherwise looting the tax payer.
No difference.
Until two things happen:
(a) Republicans repent of their corruption.
(b) Conservatives come up with a way for taming the corruption...
They aren't going to get support of independents and nothing is going to change.
So, stop talking about liberals and start talking about fixing the corruption problem. Stop talking about these conservative ideals and start talking about how its not going to happen again if the republicans get another shot.
Douglas M Dillon
Steve| 8.7.09 @ 7:36AM
Re: Douglas 7:08am
Same old liberal bs. When one cannot argue with the facts or the definitions presented one throws out vague, ill-defined crap like "oppression" or "corruption".
Corruption occurs when government interferes with the functioning of markets; the bigger the level of interference, the higher the level of corruption. You want to reduce corruption? Reduce government interference. Mankind is inherently corrupt; politicians particularly so. Corruption is to a degree inevitable and uncontrollable. And the more laws that are passed to control "corruption", the more corrupt the entire structure becomes.
As for the vaunted "independents": they are in the main simpering, delusional fools living in an intellectual adult day care facility. They are useless.
Notary Sojac| 8.7.09 @ 8:21AM
Theoretically a nice presentation of the contrasts, Quin. But as long as both major parties have their lips firmly planted on Goldman, Sachs' posterior, we're unlikely to ever see a free market economy again.
Ryan| 8.7.09 @ 8:56AM
Douglas - you're missing something.
Those ideals above are the way to FIX the problems of both big government and rampant corporatism.
Do you erroneously equate corporatism with conservatism? The more I see, the more I see that they are opposed to each other.
Anonymous| 8.7.09 @ 9:26AM
As C.S. Lewis said: "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." I may be supposing, but I don't think he was talking about conservatives.
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Us Versus Them « Observations links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Oldefarte| 8.7.09 @ 10:38AM
......WE are patriots who love and honor our country and who want to make it better; THEY are semi-domestic terrorists and socialists who wish to destroy our country and change it into a communistic dictatorship.....! Liberals have once again [similar to JFK/Camelot of the '60's] been allowed [sadly by us who allowed Obama/liberal Democrats to be elected] taken over our country; and will recreate the GOVERNMENT AS A RELIGION mechanism that dictates to us, transfers our wealth to pivertous indigents, and in general, rules our everyday lives; if we continue to allow it to happen. Again, tea parties/town-hall protests,etc are fine and helpful; but the crucial element is the upcoming 2010 and 2012 governorial, senatorial, presidential,etc elections----------if we do not go to the polls and vote in truly conservative candidates of any party, our country will most probably be lost forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AnarchistAccountant| 8.7.09 @ 10:49AM
Quin, as someone who believe both parties are the problem, that was one of the most trite, cliched piles of steaming garbage I've seen in quite some time. It's people and especially "writers" like yourself that continue this "us vs them" lie that are the cancers in our society
Eric Damon`| 8.7.09 @ 11:12AM
Re: AnarchistAccountant
Where did the writer mention any political party in his entire article? He laid out the differences in liberal and conservative ideologies in a manner that even a troll like yourself could understand. The fact of the matter is that there is an ideological divide in this country, and it is more pronounced now than at any time in my memory. Pretending that it is not so does not change it, and since the divide exists we have to address it.
The differences that Quin articulated in the article are very real, and very much in play in the political system. We have a government that is constantly expanding, taking more of our cherished liberties daily, and we have to recognize the reasoning/ideas behind what the people in power are doing. If you don't want to see the stark reality in front of you, then don't look. If you like the articles here, don't read them. And if you have nothing to add to the converstaion but attacks and pithy comments like, "cliched piles of steaming garbage"...then stay silent.
Gill O’Teen ✝✡| 8.7.09 @ 1:03PM
As I emailed the dishonorable kitty bond yesterday, “I am a pro-life advocate for a strong national defense and fiscal responsibility. I believe that the United States Constitution trumps every other man-made law.” To which today I add that I am not a member of any political party, so don’t lump me in with jackasses like kitty and all the other RINOs. I love to read The Bible and believe that its lessons are important for me to know. I echo Hillary Clinton when she said about 6 years ago "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." This means that when a man handed out “Do Not Tread On Me” flags at a rusty carnie-mon town hall last night, that black conservative had every right to do so and should not have had to visit the emergency room in order to have the injuries he was dealt by union goons seeking to silence his strong voice for freedom treated. That example of community organizing - chicago style has no place in this debate, but is a stark example of what the communist loons will stoop to in order to impose “hope and change” on the rest of us. I imagine that once obumassiah places his Czar in charge of healthcare, patriots like Kenneth Gladney will simply be denied care and left in a hall to die, just like the golden calf voted to do to American Citizens when as an illinois senator he voted against The Born Alive Infants Protection Act (or whatever that bill was called).
And for the benefit of all you psychophantic remoras out there just waiting to snitch on me to your nazi masters, I am Gill O’Teen, (gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com). Don’t Tread on Me!!
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com| 8.7.09 @ 1:11PM
I did nothing to trigger the underlining of my previous post other than click the [submit] button. I appreciate that AS thinks my comment rates special treatment, but after all I type just words. Kenneth Gladney put his life on the line. He’s the Patriot!
And for the benefit of all you psychophantic remoras out there just waiting to snitch on me to your nazi masters, I am Gill O’Teen ✝✡, (gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com). Don’t Tread on Me!!
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com| 8.7.09 @ 1:21PM
By the way, Mr. Hillyer, I really like the drawing that accompanies the link to this article on the AS home page.
Gill O’Teen ✝✡,
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com
Don’t Tread on Me!!
Tim| 8.7.09 @ 2:18PM
You SO ripped off the Nicene Creed.
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com| 8.7.09 @ 3:04PM
Tim, as I have freely admitted many times in the past, I’m just a silly old man sitting in the for-now safety of my home while true Patriots like Kenneth Gladney are standing up for me. Based on your 2:18 comment, I reread the Nicene Creek, which Sister Carmelita made me memorize quite awhile ago and I lost all those brain cells to my stroke so I can no longer call it into my mental teleprompter to read. I do not understand, please explain, how that applies here. By the way, Notary Sojac, thanks for the memory.
Gill O’Teen ✝✡,
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com
Don’t Tread on Me!!
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com| 8.7.09 @ 3:56PM
It occurs to me that some of you don’t know how to send snitch reports to the amerikan gestapo. I would like to help you meet your goal of totally trashing my country and certainly don’t want to get between your lips and obumassiah’s buff posterior. “If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to: flag@whitehouse.gov” That sentence within the quotation marks is from The White House (Berghof) Website.
Gill O’Teen ✝✡
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com
Don’t Tread on Me!!
What will they do next| 8.7.09 @ 4:11PM
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Jewish Ritual Murder and the Kosher Baby Slaughter Business Known as the Abortion Industry: What Blood Libel?
Submitted by Administrator on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 19:53
Jews have a long history of being accused of ritual murders of non-Jewish children, which they call blood libel. We occasionally encounter stories of people lynched after being accused of witchcraft or black magic in today’s Third World societies. Analogously, we can assume that in superstitious Medieval European societies it would’ve been easy to convince the masses of satanic behaviors on the part of a minority. But the question is why have Jews been repeatedly accused of ritual murder of Christian children in country after country?
It’s because Jews were really engaging in ritual murder of non-Jewish children. Here are some resources that document the evidence:
An account of the trial of Jews for ritual murder in Europe over the last 1000 years – by Arnold Leese (1938).
Der jüdische Ritual mord Eine historische Untersuchung (Jewish ritual-murder: an historical investigation) – by Hellmut Schramm, translated to English by R. Belser (large pdf).
Some Jewish ritual murder reports from Russia.
More recently, Jewish professor at Bar-llan University Ariel Toaff wrote a book, Pasque di Sangue (Passover of Blood), in 2007, where he found that the charges of ritual murder leveled against Jews were true. There was an uproar in Israel, and Toaff had to move to Italy. Toaff was forced to pull his book from stores and release an updated version describing the ritual murder charges as unfounded.
The details of the blood sacrifices are gory: ritual cannibalism, i.e., consuming young Christian blood for magical and therapeutic purposes; the crucifixion of children on the evening before Passover, and the use of Christian blood as an ingredient in the unleavened bread consumed during the festivities.
Blood played a central role in the celebration of Passover: the blood of the lamb, marking the release from slavery of Egypt, and the blood of the prepuce, originating from the circumcision of new-born males of Israel, which the Rabbi performing the circumcision drank (some combination of homosexuality, pedophilia and sexual sadism!).
In the ritual dinner of Passover, the solemn unleavened blood was kneaded with clotted blood, while more dried blood was sprinkled into the wine before reciting the ten curses of Egypt. One type of blood was considered more effective for the purpose than that of a Christian child killed for the occasion: the blood of a new Agnus Dei, to be consumed for magical purposes, to precipitate the ruin of the persecutors, cursed followers of a false and mendacious faith. Some Jews regarded the blood of Christian infants as appropriate revenge for their persecution at the hands of Christians, but the reason Christians persecuted the Jews in the first place was vile Jewish behavior. Jews considered powdered blood to have therapeutic value: alleviating epileptic seizures, stimulating sexual desire, as a haemostatic (blood-clotting) agent, and for arresting menstrual hemorrhages and nose bleeds. A Jewish black market dealing in Rabbi-certified ‘kosher blood’ flourished in parts of Europe during the thirteenth century.
Given Jews’ history of ritual child murders, it’s no surprise that they dominate the abortion industry in the United States of America and elsewhere.
The following video on ‘Abortion: The Kosher slaughter’ was produced by John Alan Martinson Jr. and James Matthew Cantu, and originally released at the currently out of commission Jewish Crime Network International News website (↓).
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gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com| 8.7.09 @ 5:58PM
What will they do next, it won’t be the Jews building your oven. Scurry like the roach you are back into your pit of despair.
Occam's Tool, though I do appreciate your kind remark, please, no honorifics. As I previously typed I’m just a silly old man sitting in the for-now safety of my home while true Patriots like Kenneth Gladney are standing up for me. As is our U.S. Military. I am not worthy to shine their shoes.
Gill O’Teen ✝✡
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com
Don’t Tread on Me!!
Richard Baker| 8.7.09 @ 7:37PM
A succinct comparison between Freedom and tyranny. To all the liberals, please show me one nation that has ever tyrannized itself into greatness and abundance.
William 5| 8.7.09 @ 8:02PM
Anarchist Accountant is on it.
Mr. Hillyer, you sometimes have original thoughts. And even tho I rarely agree with them, they at least, sometimes, deserve a glance.
What, did you google "conservative ideals" before writing this cliche-ridden pap?
Yellowstone | 8.7.09 @ 9:18PM
Am. Spec. my offer still holds ie. give me editing rights and I will deal with the spamming sumbitches.
Mike| 8.7.09 @ 10:44PM
Great article, and spot on!
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com| 8.7.09 @ 10:52PM
My goodness. It’s way past my bedtime and other than the one nutjob anti-Semite, there was a tremendous lack of liberal troll poop scattered abundantly amidst these comments. Gee, I wonder why? Good night, AS family, and God bless America and please, Dear Lord, protect the brave men and women who have placed themselves in harm's way to keep us all free.
Gill O’Teen ✝✡
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com
Don’t Tread on Me!!
ccc| 8.8.09 @ 12:10AM
We are for a load of BS, they are for a load of BS. Is it any wonder that the parties are nigh indistinguisable these days.
ChuckD| 8.8.09 @ 7:42AM
Great piece Mr. Hillyer, thanks.
I would only make one change.
Liberals believe in peace through the surrender and the sacrifice of others.
They don't even know what the word "self sacrifice" means.
William 5, Anarchist twit, are proof that most liberals are the ones who scored low on the "reads for meaning" portion of their SATS.
Mr Hillyer's article is a SUMMARY or COMPILATION of conservative ideas juxtaposed the SUMMARY or COMPILATION of liberal ideas.
He never claims any originality, except in the well ordered, well written, and interesting fashion he has communicated the liberal and conservative ideas into print.
Sorry for the all caps emphasis. I usually hate that but in this case it was obligatory.
William5 and Anarchist, do you have any great, original ideas?
Can you organize your thinking well enough to counter Mr. Hillyer?
No, all you know how to do is sit on the sidelines and throw rocks. Very vague and general rocks at that.
robert| 8.8.09 @ 8:27AM
Conservatives and Conservatisim has never had legs it useless,its deliance on Mysticism,like amn is corrupt and has the origin sin,is the original evil of this movement,with such a statement,who can defend capitalism?the only solution is more regulation,which kills capitalism,intrudes more into peoples like and eventually ushers in a theoracy.Good luck trying to roll back obama new regulations leave alone the FDR and Great society entitlements.
robert.| 8.8.09 @ 8:31AM
Wtf is this anti-semetic rant doing here,Amspec.
Michael L. Hauschild| 8.8.09 @ 9:17AM
Mr. Hillyer,
We have a month to save the country. The people we need to help us do this are one’s that you denigrate and demonize. There are many of us who are going to attempt this rescue despite the Pelosi type rhetoric that you throw around.
Why don’t you sheath your sword and direct your ire at the beltway representatives who are actually perpetrating this devastating blow to democracy.
If you are so naive to suggest that the majority of the voters that elected Obama fall into the classifications you suggest you need to climb out from under the burden of your poison pen. Your ink is gasoline and your parchment is smoldering.
You seem to compose in a fantasy world where the fireman speeding to your burning home may not be gay, or the nurse in the surgical theater assisting the agnostic doctor on your surgery could not have had an abortion.
The Hillyer’s and the Pelosi’s of the world are part of the problem, they occupy influential positions and they believe in some Utopian goal, both unattainable and dictatorial to the majority of people in the middle.
You will not change a single persons mind with such jargon; the people that cheer you the loudest inhabit the fringe.
The stage is set; the performance will go on with the current franchised cast. Save your influence for electing some new performers, don’t throw your rotten fruit at the audience.
the chosen| 8.8.09 @ 3:25PM
They are chosen alright, by SATAN the DEVIL.
William 5| 8.8.09 @ 4:25PM
ChuckD, did you even read the Anarchists' comment? Why so quick to fit him or her into that neat little box called liberal?
Maybe it makes it easier for you. These silly generalizations are found in sports. My team is better than your team. The only thing Mr. Hillyer left out was "nanny nanny boo boo".
I'm not sure where this type of thinking gets us.
I do know it has certainly helped produce two corrupt parties who think of themselves first, their close associates (read: money) second, and, well, I'm not sure where the grunts like you and I fall.
Actually I do know. Damn, Wall Street threw one hell of a party the last few years. Both parties were invited, and I'll be damned if it didn't look like a lot folks had a good time. I'll be honest, I'm a capitalist, and I wish I had been invited. You and I and the other grunts on this website didn't get the invite. But I'll be damned if we aren't holding bill. And, tho it's a bit of a lame word, it fits in this situation... sucks. Sucks is the word. That I'm holding the bill...sucks.
Steve Hansmann| 8.9.09 @ 8:25AM
Conservatives, whatever that even is anymore, profess to believe a great many things, none of which they actually practice. Unless of course you count profound religious delusions. I'll give you a perfect storm example. Alaska, home of the rugged pioneer, Palin's quintessential sturdy group of federal government hatin', bailout denyin', Jesus lovin' superpatriots. Reality, greatest welfare state in the entire union. Highest divorce, spouse and child abuse, family abandonment, alcoholism and drug addiction rates in the country. Absolutely pathetic. The entire republican party is like this. Adulterous, closeted child-molester, addicted, corrupt felons. republicans, in case anyone is keeping score, I am, by the way, are running 100-1 in felony convictions over Democrats. And over 500-1 in pedophilia and child pornography, (latest entry, Fox News producer of seven years sentenced to ten years for internet child porn, second offense, quality, upstanding republican, you betcha!). Republicans will never understand the rage most Americans feel for them until they can step outside themselves, even for a moment, and look through our eyes. But....having absolutely no critical thinking skills or insight, and little intelligence, this will never happen...............pity.
Tom Anderson| 8.9.09 @ 12:48PM
There are a lot of things for a proponent of individual rights to like in Quin Hillyer's list. That said, he cites or implies two bad arguments for liberty: 1) That respect for individual rights must be based implicitly on tradition; and 2) that religion's moral code of altruism is compatible with any theory of individual rights and "ordered liberty".
With suppositions such as this, it is very easy for collectivists everywhere to get busy, since they also believe the individual must be sacrificed, not to God, but to the state. And if the best argument you've got is "traditional American values" then what you are basically saying is that liberty is good because its old and other people have embraced it. What a pathetically weak argument.
Altruism is incompatible with liberty, whether you are a secular collectivist or a Judeo-Christian theist. What do you think "compassionate conservativism" was all about, if it wasn't an effort to combine "traditional American values" and the altruism of traditional Christianity? And we have seen how that sort of religion-based big government turns out.
We need to heed the call, not to return to "traditional values" but to discover the rational, life-affirming values that declares every man has the right to live his life for his own sake, to pursue his own values independent of the collective.
robert| 8.9.09 @ 3:01PM
Tom Anderson you have nailed it,one objectivist to another.Love Ayn Rand.
Neo-Nazis, go away| 8.9.09 @ 4:39PM
I see that the monsters from the "Judenfrei Jew Review" are commenting here as well as after other TAS articles. In case any TAS readers don't know, the JJR is, according to its own Web site, "aiming to expose the Jewish crime network and set the stage for the expulsion of Jews from the United States of America as well as other Western societies."
Their Web site says that "Jews won't stop with their criminal agenda. They have to be stopped by us." JJR is "dedicated to the Jewish problem." It says that "the Holocaust is a hoax" and that "Jews did 9/11."
It also has a number of items against black Americans, including lurid cartoons. In a comment, one fan suggests writing articles that "present a detailed anecdote of black malfeasance, [but] don't cap it off with how much you hate blacks now. Let the reader live through your imparted experience, and come to dislike blacks on his own." Clearly, these monsters use the same tactic to try to turn people against Jews.
The person who writes the Web site notes the formation of the "One World Nazi Party," and says that "if they are serious or if some other serious contenders come up, then Judenfrei could join in to set up a formal movement to expel Jews."
I hope the TAS staff will find a way to keep these neo-Nazis out. Nothing they have to say is worth reading.
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Hey, stupid, if you cannot read, please keep up with those of us who can. Thank you.
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