The American Spectator

Robert Rosencrans| 7.14.09 @ 6:49AM

Collectivism and racism go hand in hand. That's why candidates like Sotomayor are so exclusive to the Democratic Party and their lives are portrayed as a struggle when even Sotomayor herself admits that without affirmative action, she would have had to struggle.

The Republicans would have had an easy time of it, bringing quotes like that out in the open, indicating to anyone with intelligence left in America that it isn't just Sotomayor it's the system that was referred to first by Lyndon Johnson titled affirmative action.

This type of open and hostile racism by a private firm would not be tolerated in an open and free society, yet in America, all private firms must adhere to the hue and cry of a dictatorial government who demands it, when that government can get away with it.

If any of the Republicans left in the Senate had any principles left they would read either of the following paragraphs to the mental defect known as Sotomayor and ask her to respond.
http://freedomkeys.com/ar-racism.htm
Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man's genetic lineage -- the notion that a man's intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.

Racism claims that the content of a man's mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man's convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical forces beyond his control. This is the caveman's version of the doctrine of innate ideas -- or of inherited knowledge -- which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of anmials, but not between animals and men.

El Rey| 7.14.09 @ 7:15AM

Don't kid yourself. Sotomayor, like her mentor, Obama, have a deep inferiority complex about their race. They are embarassed by their affirmative action entry into college and all the special treatment they received up and down the line henced.

But in actuality, they feel inadequate in a modern society and that results in their racial anger. And it also compels Sotomayor and those of her ilk to cop a posture of superiority ("a wise Latina woman") to compensate from their glaring shortcomings. .

Reality from fiction| 7.14.09 @ 7:30AM

American myth perpetuates the idea that anyone can climb those three stories in one lifetime. This belief coexists with public rules and private practices that have tied wealth to race for generations. As a result, non-whites are even less likely to move out of poverty than whites.

The disparate, distributional result that ties race and wealth has been supported throughout American history by government programs. The United States began as a slave nation, and the end of slavery did not break the tie between race and wealth. Most people are aware of the failures of the post-Civil War Reconstruction and the emergence of the Jim Crow system of segregation. (27) Few are as aware of how the liberal New Deal tied race and wealth. The New Deal introduced the notion of an economic safety net into American politics. As such it pulled many Americans from poverty. But the New Deal also excluded agricultural and domestic workers from that economic safety net because those occupations served as a "neutral" proxy for race. (28) After World War II, the government continued to enrich its citizens based on race through the Federal Housing Administration, which made home ownership available to working class whites, while excluding black buyers through redlining and other exclusionary practices. (29)

These government programs increased white family well-being significantly while systematically excluding blacks, Indians, and others. Yet, because each program based exclusions on seemingly neutral factors, many whites have never understood the role their race played in their rise from poverty to middle class status.

Hale argues that contract law is driven by bargaining power and made up of seemingly class neutral rules that actually shift bargaining power to owners of capital and away from labor. Favoring the wealthy over workers is not the stated justification for these rules. Instead, proponents justify these rules as the most efficient means of supporting an important social goal called freedom of contract. The rules ignore the fact that, without true bargaining power, there can be no freedom of contract. Thus the rich and the poor share in the same freedoms which somehow mysteriously tend to favor the wealthy. The New Deal developed seemingly race-neutral rules that actually shifted wealth away from blacks and towards whites. These rules were not presented as part of an effort to bring the white working class into the middle class while leaving black America in Depression conditions for another forty years. Yet, by restricting benefits to whites either explicitly--as in the federal home mortgage arena--or implicitly--as in Social Security--these government programs helped ensure that government benefits would enforce an income and wealth gap between white Americans and their non-white counterparts. These gaps, first between the wealthy and everyone else (which is enforced by contract law among other legal rules) and between black wealth and white wealth (perpetuated by historical gaps in government benefits), occur in a wide range of assets, including access to education.

FACIAL NEUTRALITY REINFORCING HIERARCHY IN JUDICIAL DECISION-MAKING

Two judicial decisions announced twenty-five years apart illustrate how equality and neutrality can veil the reinforcement of existing wealth inequities. Rodriguez v. San Antonio School District (30) and Hopwood v. Texas (31) both concerned the Texas public education system. Rodriguez dealt with elementary and secondary education; (32) Hopwood grappled with higher education in the state's premier law school). (33)

Rodriguez challenged the practice of funding local school districts through property taxes. (34) In a property tax system, rich school districts are able to raise more funds through taxation than poor districts. Because rich districts include land and buildings with higher property values, these districts are able to raise greater funding while putting less tax burden on each taxpayer within the district. As Douglas Reed explained, "property-rich districts could generate significant revenues for education (at relatively low tax rates), while property-poor districts could produce only very small amounts of revenue (while taxing themselves at comparatively high rates)." (35) This uneven and unequal funding scheme led three law professors to argue that state wealth, rather than school district wealth, was a better measure of funding per student. (36) The professors urged that "children are classless ... no child of tender years is capable of meriting more or less than another." (37) The Edgewood School District's budget, where Mr. Rodriguez's children attended school, spent only two-thirds as much money per student as compared to the Alamo Heights School District's per-student expenditures. (38) The residents of the Edgewood District were predominantly Mexican-American; in contrast, the residents of Alamo Heights were predominantly "Anglo." (39)

Michael L. Hauschild| 7.14.09 @ 7:37AM

Wow, El Rey. How dare you trump the race card with no concern for political correctness, using insight and reality.

Melvin| 7.14.09 @ 7:49AM

Good posts this morning Robert and El Rey.
Sotomayor herself admitted that she was an, "Affirmative Action Baby." All along this woman's career she has held the sword of, Affirmative Action with a brilliant white light before her to smote those down who dare cross the path of truth with the Wise Latina Woman.
Sonia knows the truth and that is what scares the hell out of her. So as El Rey notes she and other Affirmative Action Babies cover their fear with the aura of superiority and bureaucratic bluster and mumbo jumbo.
This woman is definitely out of her pay scale and everyone knows it but refuses to stop her because she is the "Wise Latina," and no one wants to get struck down by the Affirmative Action Sword of Sonia.
How many Americans will suffer from this Wise Latina's Supreme Court decisions?

A country in denial| 7.14.09 @ 7:55AM

The reality is that the United States of America, which proclaims itself the "land of freedom," has the most dishonest, dangerous and crooked legal system of any developed nation. Legal corruption is covering America like a blanket.

The corruption of the USA legal system is well-known, but also well-hidden, by the news services of America's corporate-owned media. The US media companies are afraid both of reprisal, and of the social revolution that would come from exposing the truth. Here is what the US media companies know, but are afraid to tell you about American "justice".

Concentration camps with concrete walls

America has the largest prison gulag in the entire world - yes, right there in the USA, the self-proclaimed "land of freedom." The starting point for understanding anything about the USA, is to digest the fact that just this one country, the United States of America, has twenty-five percent of ALL of the prisoners in the entire world.

More than 2 million prisoners - more than 1 out of every 150 people in America - are behind bars in the American gulag. This is now the world's biggest system of what are effectively concentration camps, though most of these prisoners are behind masonry walls and inside prison buildings. ....

Quite amazingly, Americans and the American government, continually
criticize the legal systems and so-called "political" legal proceedings in other countries such as China, Russia, and even Belgium among many other places. Yet, for example, the proportion of prisoners is 30 times higher in the USA than in China, even though China is a country regularly criticized and denounced by the USA government.

No one imprisons people as readily, or casually, as does America. As you learn more about America's horrifying legal system, you find out how easily and carelessly America arrests people, and tosses innocent people into prison. It is estimated that America has at least 100,000 completely innocent people in jail, but the statistics of innocence may well run far higher. The number of people known to be innocent, and yet who were actually sentenced to death in recent years in America, is already running into the hundreds.

Of America's more than 2 million prisoners, about 50,000 are known to be foreign citizens. This proportion might seem small, but remember that 50,000 prisoners is more than the entire prison population of many other countries. It only appears as a small percentage, because of America's obsession with jailing its own people, who have had more time to get caught in America's web of legal horror.

The USA is extremely casual about the jailing of foreigners, and not
honouring their rights under international law or treaties and agreements. Often, foreign citizens have been sentenced to death, while the USA didn't even bother to notify the foreign government that their citizens were arrested.

Justice system flawed| 7.14.09 @ 8:06AM

Portrait of America's Legal System As Seen From the Outside

Rigged courts, bribed judges, phony trials, extortion by lawyers, and over 2 million prisoners in the USA gulag

.... All world citizens should know how the corrupt USA legal system, is a
danger to every traveler, visitor, and guest worker from overseas, and to every individual who takes the risky step of entering upon American territory. Just ask the overseas families of prisoners who were put to death inside the USA, with their embassies never even being informed that they were arrested - or the many foreign people serving hugely long prison terms in America, after they were jailed on flimsy tainted "evidence" from criminal snitches.

Bob| 7.14.09 @ 8:16AM

It's hard to call out Sotomayor on racism when the leader of the charge, Jeff Sessions, once told a black DA that he shouldn't talk to white people that way, that the NAACP were "commies", and told a white civil rights worker that he was a disgrace to his race. There is something here about throwing stones in glass houses.

The truth here is that Cornyn and others are worried about the large hispanic votes in their states. If they lose it, they're out -- and so are any other Republicans who decide to run.

Of course, this is something you won't hear at TAS. Besides, the comparison with Thomas is weak. Thomas did not have a high rating, like Roberts and Alito, from the ABA nor was he at the top of his class at school. Besides, there was virtually no paper trail.

With that kind of history, saying that Sotomayor is unqualified is like urinating in the ocean to raise the tide. Good luck in your lack of logic.

By the way, my position on this is that when you elect a President, it is his choice. The way you get the court you want is to win the Presidency. You should put the best people on the bench notwithstanding their ideology. Bork was qualified -- Thomas wasn't. I'm with one of your favorites -- Lindsey Graham -- on this.

Legal system needs change| 7.14.09 @ 8:18AM

Multi-millionaires and big corporations, vs. everybody else

The only people who really can expect some fairness in American courts are multi-millionaires and big corporations. Nobody else really matters to American judges and lawyers.

There is a huge amount of bribery in America, perhaps even more than in the courts of any other country in the world. Even some American ex-judges have admitted the near-universality of bribery there. Nearly all bribes are given to the judges by lawyers; this is considered the safe way to bribe a judge. Bribery is rarely spoken about, just understood. Rich people pay huge amounts of money to law firms with connections, the lawyers walk around with a certain amount of cash in their jacket, and they pass it to the judges in their quiet moments together. It is mostly all cash of course. Sometimes the bribery is blatantly obvious, because of the other crimes that
lawyers and judges commit in broad daylight together. In the courtrooms you can see the judges being extremely friendly to their rich lawyer friends who pay big bribes.

As an average person, there's no real way to out-bribe a big corporation, regardless of what your lawyer promised you. That's why the big companies win so often.

American judges are very devious, and use all sorts of techniques to
prevent a victim from getting justice. Lots of judges issue gag orders, and bans on freedom of speech, to help prevent other people from finding out what is going on. Judges set up a trial in all sorts of ways, giving orders that all sorts of evidence be hidden from a jury, for example. The judge may declare, for example, that the evidence that proves you are innocent or right, will not be allowed at the trial.

Jury trials are actually very rare in America, unlike what you see in the movies. Most cases are settled through some deal or extortion or intimidation, before there is an actual trial. If there is a jury trial, they tend to stack the jury with un-educated idiots who will tend to believe whatever lies they are told by the judge and the government. If you are trying to fight a rich person in court, the judge might let the fancy lawyers for the rich person say anything they want, while he tells you to shut up as soon as you start
talking. The judges have a thousand ways to rig a legal proceeding, to benefit rich people or the government.

It's no wonder so many innocent people go to prison. With the fundamental brutality and harshness of life in America, American citizens are confused and fearful, and gullible to propaganda. So, a jury in a courtroom, these people who tend to be poorly educated, will tend to go along with any lies presented by government prosecutors. In this environment of fear, the feeling of safety for the jury, comes from following the "strong" government in sending various "suspected criminals" to jail.

Yes, there are appeals courts, but these are just more judges, who are often friends with the lower court judge who originally sold you out. The appeals judges tend to go along with the lower court judge, unless you have suddenly acquired some politically powerful backing on your side.

Americans love to talk about "taking it all the way to the Supreme Court!", but this is a nearly empty hope. The U.S. Supreme Court simply refuses to consider most cases that are presented to it. .... You can find no end of
documented horror about American judges behaving like criminal
lunatics, and it is getting worse all the time.

In the Hollywood version, there are brave lawyers who will fight for your rights, to win justice for you in the American courts. In reality, you can't find an American lawyer brave enough to fight judicial corruption, even if you are innocent and the judge's friends have threatened to murder you, or to send you to jail for the rest of your life. The lawyers who used to be brave, were destroyed or intimidated, and nearly all American lawyers now submit themselves to the culture of corruption and bribery, and betraying and abandoning the people who need legal help. .... Even the lawyers who don't want to be wicked themselves, are too timid to really fight the system. At a certain point, nearly all American lawyers will hold back and abandon their clients, because they are trying to survive themselves and avoid revenge by the judges.

In the Hollywood version, the average person is also helped by the
"brave investigative reporter" at some newspaper or television
station, who shows great courage in exposing the truth, and bringing
powerful wrongdoing to face justice. However, the brave
"investigative reporter" in America is now as fictional and non-
existent as the "brave lawyer" who will fight for your rights. This
is especially true on any topic pertaining to corruption by judges
and lawyers. ....

Bob| 7.14.09 @ 8:21AM

One more comment -- if Sotomayor were anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage we wouldn't hear anything about her past comments. This is really all about ideology -- not competence.

Being a social libertarian and fiscal conservative, she is a fine choice for me -- ideologically speaking.

stephanie| 7.14.09 @ 8:30AM

Dear Country and Justice, where do you get your information? I thought those in jail here in this awful United States had it pretty good with TVs, librarys, gyms, education, 3 hots and a cot and access to their lawyers.
I thought you were speaking of some 3rd world country!
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J.C.Eaton| 7.14.09 @ 8:35AM

Your picture heading the column says it all: Little Lindsay, limpwristed faux handshake, weak, slack-jawed countenance. Staring fawningly at the next object of his liberal political affections. And to think this tool wears the uniform of an Air Force colonel. Makes me want to jettison breakfast.

Grzmlyk| 7.14.09 @ 8:49AM

Why doesn't Lindsey Graham resume his role as cabana boy for John McCain and spend more time fanning the old fool with palm fronds and less time in the Senate exposing his wilted-orchid cravenness?

I don't know what that nonsensical rambling about America's prisons being concentration camps is all about - apparently the pseudo intellectual prattling on up there doesn't understand the distinction between political prisoners and criminal prisoners.

It is disgusting that, once again, the Republican party lies supine before the Democrat party. What a comfortable position that has become.

We continue to allow the Democrat/media complex to draw the playing field's boundaries, set the rules and then umpire the game. And we wonder why we continue to lose.

Yes these guys are afraid of losing the Hispanic vote, but it galls me that we just lump all "Hispanics" together - the term itself is a racist construct - as having uniformly thorougly corrupt values. We are playing the Dems' cynical game if we just assume every "Hispanic" out there would rather see a "Hispanic" on the court, regardless of her qualifications, than someone for whom justice, not race, is their guiding beacon. We can't beat the race card if we play it ourselves.

If the Republican party is going to lie down and allow this kind of racism to prevail, it inevitably follows that, in the name of "justice" (i.e., white guilt run amuck), our borders will forever be thrown open to the exodus from Mexico. This is NOT a good thing for anyone, including law-abiding "Hispanics."

It's time to redraw the lines of the debate and NOT cede the fundamental argument of racism to Democrats. We must not surrender the "Hispanic" bloc vote to dems on such issues simply because we think they have a homogenous and justified desire to take their place at the government trough in the name of correcting the horrible injustice done to them because they weren't born white Americans.

Why don't we just pass a law that white Americans are to be enslaved by "people of color" for the next two hundred years and get it over with already?

Republicans will NEVER get it. Which is why they deserve to be extinct as a party. Once again, the best they can do is pro forma opposition and Democrat Lite.

Sickening.

What'sThe difference who it is| 7.14.09 @ 8:50AM

America is the land of fear, as regards the legal system and the culture of corruption. Everyone involved with the USA legal system is afraid, very afraid, of stepping on the wrong toes. Even American judges themselves get driven out of office, if they don't participate in the bribery culture.

No recourse against crime and fraud by judges and lawyers in America

In reality, there is almost nothing you can do against misconduct, and even open felony crime, committed against you by American judges and lawyers. All of the official complaint procedures you find on the internet, or at the courthouse or in the law books, turn out to be a joke, a farce and a fraud.

Complaints about lawyers in America, usually go to the "Bar," which is itself run by the judges who are involved in bribery with the lawyers. And complaints about judges go to other judges, their friends.

Nearly all the complaints about lawyers and judges - tens of thousands of them - are kept secret. Nearly all are dismissed or ignored. They are generally only used if the judges or politicians want to specially destroy someone - some radical minority lawyer, someone who is not playing the bribery game, somebody who has dared to expose wrongdoing. Otherwise, even criminal acts by lawyers and judges get a smiling cover-up.

You will almost certainly not find any lawyers to help you sue another lawyer for wrongdoing. They are too scared of revenge by the judges. Even the lawyers who are broke and unemployed and desperate for work, are too scared to sue another lawyer. (Special caution: Lawyers may make false promises to you about suing another lawyer, cash your checks and steal your money, and then refuse to help you. And then you will have another lawyer who wronged you.) ....

It's getting worse and worse in America all the time. As the judges and lawyers can get away with committing crimes, they are getting more open and blatant, committing felony crimes in broad daylight, because they know no one will stop them or bring them to account. ....

The growing American nightmare

No one should ever again be fooled by USA propaganda about being the
"land of freedom". Those who are thinking of traveling to, visiting, or working in America, should think again. It might not be worth the risk of being in a country that has one of the most crooked legal systems in the world.

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Richard Baker| 7.14.09 @ 8:54AM

The reason that so many minorities are behind bars is because they commit a huge number of crimes. Care to go to Compton and other places in East L.A., Chicago, DC, or Detroit and find out? What is the country to do with these thugs, let them go to encounter groups and therapy? Sotomayor is one of many in the country who don't want to look in the mirror and see that they are the problem. These yahoos are playing white liberal guilt for all it's worth and law abiding citizens are the cause of the problems? Get real.

Black Saint | 7.14.09 @ 9:19AM

The future of the USA is Mexico!

Our Politicians keep telling us our Immigration laws are broken and we need an comprehensive solution, which are code words for Amnesty, our Immigration Laws are not broken, they just have not been enforced, what is broken is our Political system when we elect Corrupt/Pandering/Lawless politicians that puts Party, Lobbyist, & Self interest ahead of the Constitution of USA and the Rule of Law!

Our government fails the most basic and primary task & duty of government, to protect this Nation and its Citizens from invasion and enforce its laws.

They refuse to abide by our Constitution, refuse to enforce our Immigration Laws and refuse to honor their Oath of Office!

Our Government, past & present, Republican & Democrat, have allowed the invasion of 20 to 30 million criminals and uneducated peons which is the largest invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means & in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution.

This refusal to abide by our Constitution or enforce our Immigration Laws should be classified as Treason of the most foul kind, & as grounds for impeachment & trials for Treason!

Not only have they allowed the invasion, they force American tax payers to pay Billions on Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders numerous children, and free medical care, at the same time the invading horde break numerous laws and massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens at an rate the terrorist can only dream about.

Recent statements in Mexico from both President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary something needs to be done. "Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers, and civilians," she said.

But no mention, concern or care that their refusal to stop the Massive Invasion of Illegal Aliens pouring across our borders or enforce our immigration laws that causes an estimated 25 Americans deaths per day and 10,s of thousands victims of Assault, Robberies, Rapes, Identify thief, and other assorted crimes committed by the invading horde of Illegal Aliens from Mexico on American citizens each year!

It is a telling indictment & shows their Empathy & Compassion of our Politicians & their priorities when they express more concern over Mexicans deaths mostly connected to the Drug trade, than the murders, havoc & crimes of Illegal Aliens against American Citizens!

Most of our Politicians in Wash. DC are wading knee deep in innocent American blood and suffering because they put Self Interest ahead of the interest of American Citizens & the future of this Nation!

The Welfare vote for the Democrats to further their Socialist Agenda and the Slave Labor for their Pay Masters in the Chamber of Commerce & Business for the Republicans is more important to our Corrupt power mad Politicians than the lives and safety of Americans citizens!

The Citizens of this Nation have not sacrificed with blood, sweat & tears for over 200 years & obeyed the Laws of the land, paid the taxes, and fought the wars & built this Nation to see Corrupt politicians turn this Nation into the United States of Mexico without a shot being fired, to serve their demented, nefarious goals and lust for power!

CountryAfailureDueToCorruptGov| 7.14.09 @ 9:42AM

To Black Saint.

A statement made by George Bush to prove your point to win vote and to hell with the law.

Bush Unveils Plan Giving Legal Status to Illegal Aliens
NewsMax.com Wires
Wednesday, Jan. 7, 2004
WASHINGTON – President Bush called Wednesday for a major overhaul of America's immigration system to grant legal status to millions of illegal-alien workers in the United States.
"Out of common sense and fairness, our laws should allow willing workers to enter our country and fill jobs that Americans are not filling," the president said in an East Room speech to members of Congress, his Cabinet and immigrant advocacy groups.

Bush's election-year proposal is designed to win support among Hispanic voters while helping meet the needs of American employers. His plan would create a temporary worker program for illegal aliens now in the United States and those in other countries who have been offered employment here.

This is why America has such huge Unemployment.

stmichrick| 7.14.09 @ 9:49AM

Those like 'Country in Denial' who take prison population statistics and conclude that America incarcerates too many (read: most are innocent) don't explain why we still have street crime. In a perfect world, anyone who makes statements like that should be force to 'sponsor' an early-released convict and be held responsible for their future behavior; kind of like owners are responsible for the behavior of a pitbull pet.

The best conservatives can hope for to come of the Sotomayor confirmation hearings is a total exposition of the identity politics and resulting decisions of the nominee.

Gov should serve the people| 7.14.09 @ 9:52AM

To Richard Baker.

Why dont you see to it that the Government do it's job and send these people back to their country of origin.

Rocco| 7.14.09 @ 9:57AM

Grzmlyk, my sentiments exactly. Today's Repubs in the House and Senate are pathetic lapdogs for the Dems. Just as voters in Rio de Janeiro did in 1988, when given a choice among pathetic candidates for mayor, they voted for a monkey in the Rio zoo. Probably would have gotten better leadership from the simian write-in! I am thoroughly disgusted by anyone and everyone in this corrupt government we are cursed with.

On Hispanics, it is a government racial construct, as you note. Puerto Ricans are looked on as Spanish speaking gringos, as a Venezuelan friend once confided to me. Puerto Ricans don't care for Mexicans, who don't care for Salvadorans, who don't care for Cubans, who are looked down on by Argentines. Venezuelans and Colombians don't see eye to eye. So on and so forth. (Experience gained by living and working in Latin America over 21 years.) It's complete BS, but no one in the Senate has the cojones to raise the bullshit flag on this. Pathetic! You only have to recall the treatment by Dems of Bush's appointees to plumb the depth of my disgust with this charade.

Marcell| 7.14.09 @ 10:06AM

Being that I was raised in a community that if you didn't pay close, close, CLOSE, attention to what is going on around you, you could get killed in a heartbeat, it is quite natural for me to do the same concerning the issues surrounding politics.

I have been noticing some strange politics being played in the past two weeks. I usually don't comment on the different things I see, I just put together strategies in response to them. But, this time I fill that I should point the weird things I have seeing out.

Let's start with Sarah Palin. I could be wrong, but IMO she has been paid to do all the things that she & her family is doing.

Palin is about as popular & polarizing as Hillary Clinton was, so it makes sense to pay her to sell you out. I also believe that Palin is also the easiest candidate of them all for Dems to defeat for the same reasons.

Secondly, it is clear that Sonia Sotomayor will be the newest member of the Supreme Court, so basically what the Republicans are doing is faking like they are concerned about certain issues, thus begs the question of who do they believe they are manipulating with their rhetoric? The answer is their base.

Now I am watching right-wingers on Faux news spinning to give the false impression that they are looking for ways to undermine Sotomayor's nomination, when they are not, it's a done deal.

You Faux junkies get the chance to watch the host of the #1 rated show, Bill Orielly spin as he claims that the liberals are different than you & I, to Karl Rove, as he attacks liberal groups like Moveon.org & claim the spin stops here.

The question is who, is he fooling with his no spin, spin? The answer is you, the conservative base.

You also get to watch Juan Williams play both sides in order to continue lining his pockets with right-wing dollars. Heck, he has to pay his bills some kind of way, "Why not get paid for what he likes doing." The real question is, "Who is he fooling?" That stuff is for your consumption loyal conservative base.

Let's not forget all the phony cries of racism by conservative leaders, all set up to manipulate the masses; the large masses of conservatives that get their sound info from their honest, hard working, pro American, patriotic, Reagan lovers. The question again, "Who do they think they are fooling?"

They are not fooling the Latinos, because they are not stupid enough to dump the Democrats in droves in support of the, loyal to their base Republican Party.

The truth about all the conservative pundits is that, "Their rhetoric / manipulation is created to fool one constituency into believing that they, the Republican politicians are on your side."

Your white supremacist/ conservative perspectives are so blatant that they have no other alternative but to market false premises to influence you to continue supporting their candidates, or the always have been elitist, pro big business Republican Party's candidates will sees to exist.

Heck, they are just promoting a different perspective or points of views, while they do nothing via legislation to change the social direction of this country.

I can't help but to be entertained by the $arah Palin's, Ru$h Limbaugh's, & the George Bu$h's in the conservative movement, because their racket / rhetoric leaves you with no alternative but to vote Republican in the next election, & they get paid lots of money to do it.

Just remember that the radical conservative base are the only people buying the, "We’ve got to stop them, or America will no longer be the country that it use to be," rhetoric.

ROTFLMAO @ you

Oldefarte| 7.14.09 @ 10:18AM

Matthew, you are 150% correct in your commentary, and I applaud you for saying this! Not only is Graham a coward for his in-caving, but also every other Republican congressmen. I'll say it again for the 100th time-----conservative voters are duty bound to DEFEAT these cowards at re-election time; and to replace them with true conservatives who will fight for American values and principles!!!!!!!!!!

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 7.14.09 @ 10:29AM

I see that lies about Sessions past are being bought up by liberal liars again. Sessions merely tried to stop voter fraud. Any white man who tries is labeled a racist. When Black Panthers wait outside an official voting area with baseball bats "they are just good misunderstood folks" who Eric Holder defends. Eric Holder is just a racist black man who should start a black KKK and posters here who attack Sessions should join him.
http://us.yhs.search.yahoo.com/avg/search?fr=yhs-avg&type=yahoo_avg_hs2-tb-web_us&p=Jeff+Sessions,+once+told+a+black+DA+that+he+shouldn't+talk+to+white+people+that+way,+that+the+NAACP+were+"commies"
Sessions still gets visibly upset when he hears those charges.

"That was not fair. That was not accurate. Those were false charges and distortions of anything that I did, and it really was not. I never had those kinds of views, and I was caricatured in a way that was not me," Sessions said. Video Watch as the senator says his views and remarks were distorted »

Democrats pounded him during his marathon confirmation hearings. Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, was quoted at the time as saying he was "concerned about the racist remarks that Mr. Sessions has acknowledged that he made."

Sessions now says, "That was totally distorted of what the reality was, and maybe he thought so at the time. He was getting some information from some very aggressive outside groups that were driving this entire message."

He said, "It was hard to get my explanation out. Charges were thrown out, and then you'd try to respond and I just wasn't able to get the message out."

The parallel to today, with conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh labeling Sotomayor a racist, is eerie.

"You know, that's such a loaded word, and I don't think it's appropriate to use it in this context. She ruled for some cases that might be called affirmative action in which one group may have prevailed over another group and I think that raises questions. Those have to be done very carefully," Sessions said. Video Watch as Sessions says Sotomayor will be a good advocate for herself »

Because he is the lead Republican on the committee holding Sotomayor's confirmation hearings, Sessions will have a big role in setting the tone of the opposition.

The story of how he unexpectedly got that position is wrapped in another irony.

In 1986, then-Republican Sen. Arlen Specter crossed party lines to cast a decisive vote against th

Rocco| 7.14.09 @ 10:36AM

Black Saint - an excellent summary of where we are today as a country. Sad to say, when I returned from Brazil by 1990 to the US after living there for a number of years, with the experience of living and traveling through Latin America, I already saw then that we were well on our way towards becoming a Third World country. Disrespect for law, for property, etc. Don't get me wrong - I do not look down on Latin Americans. As the son of Italians, I look upon them as ethnic cousins. But, as my Brazilian, or Argentine, or Mexican acquaintances used to recall, commiserating in a local "taverna," corruption has run rampant in Latin, and even other Western societies since the days when M. Tullius Cicero prosecuted Verres for corruption in Sicily in the 1st Century B.C. Given the circumstances of our founding, one would think we'd be better, but with current crop of Chicagoland thugs in the White House, we too seem to be well on our way to the corruption of the then Roman Republic.

Grzmlyk| 7.14.09 @ 10:46AM

Rocco, I didn't know that about the voters in Rio! That's priceless.

It drives me nuts that the commentariat, along with the political class, refers to "the Hispanic community" - as well as "the black community." It's so reductive and racist, yet these monikers are never exposed for the shoddy political ghettos they are.

It's as if these "communities" are little bobblehead dolls that will all nod in unison to liberal shibboleths.

And god help a member of the "community" if he or she wanders off the reservation. It is so depressing that the real party of institutinalized racism - the democrats - have successfully snookered generations of Americans with the mainstream media acting, as usual, as the pied piper leading us all off a cliff.

AWLinNC| 7.14.09 @ 10:51AM

Wow - great comments, well-informed and insightful. Quite above the norm, I must say. All I have to add is that there is a great op-ed piece by Margaret Wente (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/in-sonia-v-sarah-gop-is-doomed/article1216888/) in the Globe and Mail today comparing Sotomayor and Sarah Palin. Sotomayor is the embodiment of the American dream and of a meritocracy. Republicans and ultra-right wing conservatives - but I repeat myself - despise her. Palin is obviously unqualified for any high office, and Repubs adore her. This tells you all you need to know about where the Repub party is now: lost in delusions.

Richard Baker| 7.14.09 @ 11:04AM

AWLinNC:
So Palin is unqualified? Please enlighten me as to the Kenyan's "qualifications" for high office or Hillary's? No nonsense, just answer the question, if you can.

Grzmlyk| 7.14.09 @ 11:06AM

Sotomayor represents meritocracy?

You sure you know what that word means? She herself has admitted being a product of affirmative action.

Jon in S.C.| 7.14.09 @ 11:06AM

As a citizen of S.C. I can tellyou all that ONE thing we can count on is for our lame-ass Lindsey to fold on this and anything else that comes down the pipe that is a threat to Constitutional Rule and True Conservative Values.

Many of us cannot wait till the next election cycle and send him on to another career... Too bad that he and other RINO's will still be getting a paycheck from the confiscated income we work for...thanks to the IRS.

Pete| 7.14.09 @ 11:09AM

Ah yes, AWL, brilliant use of the same strategy your Messiah employs on a daily basis: say, nay insist upon the exact opposite of the truth. Who would call you on it anyhow...the media?

But I digress. I just wanted to chime in that two of the most fervent Republicans I know these days are from South America - from Chile and Argentina specifically. They have experienced the decline of their countries into various forms of socialism and government corruption and are extremely fearful at what they see in the US now. Unsurprisingly, these two guys are small business owners - so they have actually had to work to achieve that they have achieved, unlike the "wise" Latina who was comped through various liberal institutions. It is sad that she cannot see how she is being used by the very people who have coddled her her whole life. But then, I suppose they have a right to expect her to obey them after all they have given her.

Grzmlyk| 7.14.09 @ 11:13AM

I'm ahead of you, AWLinNC:

Read:

The [video clips released to the Senate] include lengthy remarks about her [Sotomayor's] experiences as an “affirmative action baby” whose lower test scores were overlooked by admissions committees at Princeton University and Yale Law School because, she said, she is Hispanic and had grown up in poor circumstances.

“If we had gone through the traditional numbers route of those institutions, it would have been highly questionable if I would have been accepted,” she said on a panel of three female judges from New York who were discussing women in the judiciary. The video is dated “early 1990s” in Senate records.

Her comments came in the context of explaining why she thought it was “critical that we promote diversity” by appointing more women and members of minorities as judges, and they provoked objections among other panelists who pointed out that she had graduated summa cum laude from Princeton and been an editor on Yale’s law journal.

But Judge Sotomayor insisted that her test scores were sub-par - “though not so far off the mark that I wasn’t able to succeed at those institutions.” Her scores have not been made public.

“With my academic achievement in high school, I was accepted rather readily at Princeton and equally as fast at Yale, but my test scores were not comparable to that of my classmates,” she said. “And that’s been shown by statistics, there are reasons for that. There are cultural biases built into testing, and that was one of the motivations for the concept of affirmative action to try to balance out those effects.”

Pete| 7.14.09 @ 11:32AM

It appears Sotomayor knows the latest craze in Dem strategy as well - from today:

"Offered the chance to explain the comments at her confirmation hearing by the Senate Judiciary Committee's Democratic chairman Patrick Leahy, Sotomayor said she had been misconstrued.

"I do not believe that any ethnic, racial or gender group has an advantage in sound judgment," she said, adding that she believed every person has an equal opportunity to be a good and wise judge "regardless of their background and life experience.""

Brought to you by, "I did not have sex with that woman" and "95% of Americans will not see their taxes increase one dime."

Grzmlyk| 7.14.09 @ 11:50AM

Pete: I guess I can't be shocked anymore at the brazenness of the Dems' duplicity. After all, liberalism is based on a fundamental lie: That the law of human nature can be repealed.

But I don't think I'll ever get used to how willingly a great swath of the American public swallows this swill in the name of moral vanity.

Pete| 7.14.09 @ 12:07PM

I like to believe for my own sanity that the swath you reference is just lazy in that they don't actively seek the truth and just believe what they are told by the mainstream media. This is a huge problem, don't get me wrong, but it isn't as bad as them actually being of the same mind as our corrupt ruling class. The lazy swath doesn't yet realize what danger they are in - after all, the great United States couldn't actually become like those socialist elites in Europe or the banana republics down south, right? I mean, really, hundreds of years of prosperity and exceptionalism couldn't just disappear overnight because we allowed ourselves to be duped by a liar with no experience so as not to be called racist? These people need to be shaken awake before they just give in and put out their hands like the folks in the Democratic utopia cities of Detroit and New York. I have faith this will happen because these corrupt asses are overreaching so far, so fast, that even the blind will have their eyes opened. Having said that, I doubt the transition back to American exceptionalism will be peaceful, as the Messiah is hard at work rigging the election system. Thank God for our founders and the 2nd amendment.

Corrupt politicans| 7.14.09 @ 12:25PM

Republicans engaged in fraud, and back hand deals.
I know many have been enthralled by the scandal involving Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich, but he's a rank amateur when compared to many Republicans. Check this out regarding Senator Thad Cochran's top aides:

Senate aide linked to Abramoff took 2 salaries - Yahoo! News.

A former top aide to Sen. Thad Cochran now implicated in a lobbying scandal was paid more than $20,000 by the Mississippi Republican after leaving his office and starting another high-paid government job at the state's public broadcasting agency.

Ann Copland left Cochran's office last spring after working there for three decades. She went on the payroll of Mississippi Public Broadcasting on March 24, at a salary of $92,000. But Copland continued to collect her roughly $140,000 annual salary from Cochran's office through May 9 — an overlap of nearly two months.

Copland could not be reached for comment Thursday. Cochran's spokeswoman, Margaret McPhillips, said Copland was kept on the senator's staff to ensure "a seamless transition."

They will not disappoint, folks. Not only was she tied to Abramoff, she took more of your tax money than she was entitled to.

Those Republicans... they never disappoint...

Grzmlyk| 7.14.09 @ 12:26PM

Pete, I couldn't agree more.

And I hope you are right - that the blind see before it's too late.

However, as the depth of the nihilism inherent in Obama's policies begins to chafe constitutents and thus endanger individual congressmen's chances of reelection, I think these craven pols will somewhat ameliorate those policies, like Cap-and-Trade, Health Care, etc. such that their full destructive impact will be blunted somewhat.

Walking Obama's agenda back from the brink of insanity is better than plunging us into the abyss, but I fear it will only retard our our march toward it.

It will require a shock bigger than 09/11, I fear, to jolt America into fighting this rot.

After all, I was utterly shocked to see how quickly the horror of 9/11 became a "kick me" sign for too many Americans. Cynical, craven pols who don't give a rat's patootie about national security simply played the angles to impugn Bush for political gain and ingratiate Islam with Americans - voila - a newly-minted victim group.

I think it will take a catastrophe of Biblical proportions to turn us away from the cliff.

I'm not sure who said it first (Wendell Phillips?), but I know Reagan repeated it: the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

The evil of liberalism must be perpetually beaten back, and I fear that the democracies really do eventually choke themselves to death.

Marc Jeric| 7.14.09 @ 12:34PM

Let me disturb the ACORN thugs writing here: in the spirit of the left namecalling Sarah Palin ("slutty looking stewardess") I call La Sotomayor "pig-faced rcist with lipstick".

Bob| 7.14.09 @ 12:38PM

Pete, you don't actually believe the tripe you are posting, do you? When the Republicans were in charge, gerrymandering, especially in Texas, was a prime goal. The "messiah" is no different than the Texas idiot that preceded him or any other recent elected official. The primary goal of all politicians is to get reelected. That is the problem, not ideology. Are you saying we should get rid of all socialism including Social Security and Medicare? The change Obama is doing is not a major effort except in the minds of ultra right wing ideologues who don't have any real perspective.

Personally, I believe the big issue is the amount of debt being created and as long as we keep pressure on keeping the debt low, any concerns about ideology are just plain dumb. I would have let the banks and GM fail -- but that was all started by Republicans. We need a solution to reduce health care costs not because people have a right to health care, but because our high costs make us less competitive for manufacturing in the world. Manufacturing is the base for job creation and a successful society. Our growth machine for the past two decades has been financial services and you've seen what has occurred. We've got to decrease consumption and increase production. The Republicans have no solutions here and I don't like the Democrat solutions either. We need to reduce costs by almost 40% in order to be competitive.

The right wing stupidity I see at TAS is ruining the Republican party because it is not based on fact and reason -- it is based on ideology.

Corript Politican exposed| 7.14.09 @ 12:47PM

I hope Sonia Sotomayor clamps down on these kinds of people who use public office to exploit.
Governor Elliot Spitzer - lightweight.

Spitzer doesn’t make the cut. While it’s true that Spitzer is the worst kind of
hypocrite by vigorously prosecuting cases of prostitution when he was
attorney general, the story of a politician caught with a call girl is hardly
unique. $80,000 for prostitutes? That doesn’t even make it into the record
books. A discriminating shadenfreudist must only look back to 2004 when
conservative activist and benefactor to many Christian groups in Montana,
Richard A. Dasen Sr., was arrested after paying a 15 year old girl for sex.
Once again, that’s where the story begins.

Upon careful auditing of Dasen’s expenditures, police estimated that Dasen
spent more than 5 million dollars on prostitutes over the last decade. Their
conclusions were confirmed when the rate of petty crimes rose sharply in
the area. Dasen was singlehandedly supporting the methamphetamine
trade for most of the state by only employing addicts. If that wasn’t enough,
as owner of the Christian Financial Counseling service, Dasen often
‘prayed’ upon the cash strapped young women that arrived looking for help
to manage and consolidate their debts.

The schadenfreude icing-on-the-cake arrives when asking the question,
how did the cops know Dasen spent 5 million dollars on prostitutes?
Answer: He always paid with a check. Once again proving the adage, the
best schadenfreude arrives with a side order of stupidity.

Grzmlyk| 7.14.09 @ 12:55PM

Yeah, Bob, Social Security and Medicare are huge successes.

What's the combined unfunded mandate stand at now?

Socialism bad. Individual freedom good.

Conservative ideology derives from the acceptance of reality. Liberal ideology derives from the denial of reality.

Pete| 7.14.09 @ 12:56PM

Grzmlyk: We must have struck a nerve...the trolls have mobilized.

The "he did it too" and "I know you are but what am I?" defenses are timeless classics.

Grzmlyk| 7.14.09 @ 1:18PM

I agree, Pete:

For Bob to claim the debt is what worries him - while implying that he wants to preserve social security and medicare - is like saying excess calories worry me, but I plan to double my daily Big Mac intake.

According to the NY Times, spending on Social Security and Medicare totaled more than $1 tirillion in 2008 alone - more than 1/3 the Federal budget.

According to the 2009 Social Security and Medicare Trustees Reports, the combined unfunded liability of these two programs alone has reached nearly $107 trillion in today's dollars. That's seven times the size of the US economy and 10 times the size of the outstanding national debt.

And Obama's Health Care will inflate Medicare beyond all current projections. And yet Bob thinks that Obama's changes are "not a major effort" except in the minds of right-wing ideologues?

Once again, liberal rule number one: deny reality.

HUH?

Grzmlyk| 7.14.09 @ 1:22PM

Marcell, don't you have to meet with your parole officer now?

Dude, how can you type with the wind whistling between your ears?

Grzmlyk| 7.14.09 @ 1:41PM

And Pete, I see that Bob thinks Obama care will "keep health care costs low." That's like saying putting two rabbits of the opposite sex in a cage together will keep rabbit hutch costs low. Yeah. For about a week.

I wonder if Bob can name me one instance where government has "kept prices low." Government is one reason health care prices are high now (and they've been leveling off for the last ten years in any case).

Maybe Bob can cite government's ability to lower the price of gas? No. Th cost of a barrel of oil? Corn? No. Toilet seats for the military? No. Shipping packages? No. Train travel? No. Airline travel? No. Automobiles? No. Clothing? No. The cost of doing business? No. Public education? No.

Why do liberals believe, against all evidence to the contrary, that 1) government can do anything efficiently; 2) that political calculations in the hands of bureaucrats are more "noble" and inherently "fair" than personal self-interest calculations in the hands of individuals; 3) that government bureaucracies exist for any purpose other than to entrench and grow themselves?

You can lead a liberal to the truth, but you can't make 'em think.

Grzmlyk| 7.14.09 @ 1:56PM

Marcell, you are wearing out your cut-and-paste wrist for nothing.

Nobody is reading this crap you are pasting into this thread. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish - I don't even think YOU know what you're trying to accomplish. I guess you just feel important that you're taking up space.

You've abandoned your own witless commentary (thanks at least for that) for content lifted from elsewhere that is irrelevant to the topics discussed here.

Seriously, wouldn't you rather do something with your time other than pissing in the wind?

It doesn't make you look smart or clever or even worthy of engagement in argument. It just makes you look pathetic.

Siegfried X| 7.14.09 @ 1:59PM

It's like watching a rigged prize fight. Our boys are trying to make it look good by talking tough to Soto before they take a dive.

Liberal Idiot Who Can't Write| 7.14.09 @ 2:00PM

Um, I forgot how to cut and paste an old article that has nothing to do with Sotomayor and race. It's a really good article, and it makes Republicans look bad. Can anyone tell me how to take a really big article that I didn't write and fit it into this little box here?

Pete| 7.14.09 @ 2:08PM

Just another troll tactic - the spam attack. Like I said, our discussion hit a nerve. I am not concerned as the crap posts didn't start until many valid points were made. This string is at an end. On to spread the truth elsewhere.

JimD| 7.14.09 @ 2:24PM

There is no more a Hispanic or a Latino race than there is an Aryan race. Anyone speaking about Hispanics or the Latino race in 1975 would have been greeted with uncomprehending stares. "Hispanic" is newspeak invented by the Carter Administration and implemented into the 1980 census for their own political advantage. As soon as Republicans buy into this lingo they give the Dems the advantage. If Republicans want to appeal to this very diverse collection of Americans, they need to start appealing to those among them who have solid economic and philosophic reasons to lean Republican. Aim for American voters of Cuban, Venezuelan, Portuguese, Brazilian, Spanish, Argentine, Columbian, etc descent and for those
from Mexico and Central America who are entrepreneurs whose small businesses will suffer from big government. Leave pandering to those who want cheap illegal labor and votes to the Democrats: it's their proper heritage as the party that defended, slavery, slave owners and Jim Crow. Republicans can start winning the vast and varied block of voters of Latin American ancestry the moment they stop using the newspeak terms hispanic and latino which give automatic advantages to demogogues by accepting the rules of their racism game. We don't call Americans of Polish, Russian, Czech, Serbian, etc ancestry slavs and give them a separate racial category. We don't call those descended from North Europe Germanic or Aryan. Use of terms like Hispanic and Aryan create division and foster racism where none existed before. The belong they to newspeak vocabulary of totalitarianism, they have no place in honest political discourse in a free, democratic society.

Free Democratic society| 7.14.09 @ 2:42PM

JimD.

you should not have let them into the secret to success, you are too kind and respectable. Honest and respectable.

Bob| 7.14.09 @ 2:47PM

Grzmlyk/Pete,

I see that both of you have a comprehension problem. I have consistently said that the 53% of our federal budget that contains Social Security and Medicare must be cut significantly and that reducing the 17% of our budget that contains non-military discretionary spending won't do that much. But then again, you guys assume that if you criticize the Republican party, you must be a liberal. I doubt if either of you are fiscal conservatives given your points of view.

My point about health care is that Republicans refuse to address an issue that makes us not competitive in the world manufacturing market. Again, my solution would be to have a tiered system where the "public option" would be limited to those who cannot get private insurance because of things like pre-existing conditions and would have significant rationing and tort restrictions. I've worked in group insurance and understand the actuarial consequences.

Republicans need to provide fiscally conservative solutions to health care, economic growth because tax cuts are NOT stimulative, and other things. Republicans/conservatives are attacking the wrong issues with no solutions. That's the problem.

REP Perverts extroninair| 7.14.09 @ 3:00PM

Obviously the most delicious schadenfreude is homegrown from
the finest in superior ultra-conservative piety and self-
righteousness, but not all the best schadenfreude comes from the
front page and not all stories are buried deep in the past.

JUDGE ROBERT SOMMA

Fifty years ago a judge
wearing a dress was a
hangin' offense. Today it's
just another new cycle. On
Feb. 6th, 63 year old Judge
Robert Somma was arrested
for DWI after he hit a pick-up
truck. Highway patrol found
him wearing a black women's
cocktail dress, fishnet
stockings and high heels.
Lately, things like that are
hardly worth noticing, but it’s
hard to ignore male on male
rape.

Res Gestae| 7.14.09 @ 3:01PM

The majority of the people on this website are completely delusional and rationalize the lack of accomplishment in their own lives by ranting on about how unqualified Sotomayor is. If any of you were remotely familiar with the way law review works, you would know that you "make" law review at the various law schools based on your GPA and/or the results of a writing/editing competition which is blindly graded. As a result, how would affirmative action have played any role in Sotomayor becoming editor of the law review? Further, if what most of you posit about her getting into Yale on the basis of her being a latina is true, what does this say about the "qualified white males" that she beat out to make law review in a blindly graded competition?

Marcell| 7.14.09 @ 3:23PM

Trumping the Race Card
By Matthew Vadum on 7.14.09 @ 6:07AM

****************

That was of the best conservative pieces I have read to date at this site.

I agree with it 100%. The problem is that it is very hard to take conservatives serious when they ignore their own new age subtle forms of racism, just as many minorities ignore or find pleasure in saying things like what Sonia Sotomayor said to the Hispanic organization.

I have heard black people say things like, "Hey white boy, come here," for example, & the white treat the racist phrase as if was nothing.

White conservatives seem to take pleasure in Palin's subtle racist attacks for John McCain, just as many black Americans see the racism by the Louis Farrakhan & the Rev. Wrong (Wright) types as them just telling the truth.

But, like I said in my first paragraph, in order for conservatives to be taken serious on the issues concerning race, they would have to take the big log out of their eyes, & lead by example, but being politically correct for conservatives is like a death wish.

That would force many of my peers to do the same or suffer the consequences, & that would be another dream come true for me, along with the first black president.

Roy| 7.14.09 @ 3:32PM

Man..tas could really use some password authentication about now. Better still: an ignore button. The amount of sheer worthless tripe I have to scroll past to get to anything good is way too high.

Grzmlyk| 7.14.09 @ 3:36PM

Ok, Bob, you must also have a comprehension problem because I am no fan of the Republican party.

And the implication of your question to Pete, as I read it, implied that you took the position that Medicare/Social Security were sacred cows. Which they CANNOT BE if we are to survive over the long term.

Ideology, by the way, is a meaningless term to me; I believe what I believe. If it comports with what some think is a conservative "ideology," fine by me. If not, it doesn't much matter.

The "public option" is how Medicaid and Medicare got started. I believe at the time it was enacted, Medicaid was projected to max out at a cost of $50 billion a year an ultimately "pay for itself." HAH! Government is inherently incapable of controlling costs.

And so I'm dubious about any and all "public" options. After all, the disingenuousness of Obama's plan for offering a "public option" is the only thing that's transparent about his administration - as in a transparent lie: With0ut the profit motive, and with a seemingly endless supply of taxpayer dollars to subsidize it, the public option will instantly starve out the private option. And while you will no doubt successfully impose rationing for care, you're never going to restrict tort suits - not with Dems running the show. Contributions from those bastards (along with the unions) are their bread and butter.

And I'm sorry, but tax cuts ARE stimulative. I know you'll come back with me with a lot of dubious statistics, but the 40% corporate tax Obama wants to impose on business is punitive as hell. It's now among the highest in the world at 35%, which is one reason we're losing our competitive advantage and why businesses are moving offshore. When that happens, of course, you lose your revenues altogether. If you lowered that to 15%, how would that not be stimulative?

It sounds like you are a Keynesian, or at least do not believe in supply-side economics. I'm sorry, but I do. When my taxes go down, I have more money of my own to recirculate into the system - or, to use the Dems' favorite word, "invest;" but in a private invidual's case, it's not going to feed an insatiable, non-productive bureaucracy.

When the government hands out one-time largesse, it's taking money out of the productive sector and providing a very short-term jolt. That seems to me to be the essense of Keynesianism.

It doesn't work. Didn't work when FDR did it, didn't work when LBJ did it, didn't work when Nixon did it, didn't work when Bush did it, won't work on a grand scale with the Obamatons. But a systemic lowering of tax RATES - and spending CUTS (since when is it axiomatic that each and every one of the thousands upon thousands of government programs, departments and fiefdoms must get more money every single year?) would most certainly be stimulative.

I'm sorry you don't see that. To me that's as obvious as saying, if I drop a glass from a height of ten feet onto concrete, the laws of physics dictate that it will break. High taxes bad, low taxes good.

I'm also suspicious when "conservatives" insist that Republicans/conservatives come up with myriad new ideas, adding to the neverending Government-centric Rube Goldberg schemes that are the hallmark of the Democrat party 9and which always really are the SAME idea anyway); govermment must solve every problem? Why? Who says?

That's the beauty of conservativism - it takes Occam's razor to the realm of policy: the simplest solution is probably the best. Let the markets work. Restore individual freedom. Lower taxes. Get the government out of the way. It is a CANCER and it's metastasized.

If that had occurred back right after World War II when the health care train started to go off the tracks, we wouldn't be in this health care "crisis" we're in now.

And it's hardly the dire crisis it's billed as in any case. The 45 million uninsured number has been proven time and again (most recently by George Will) to be an utterly bogus number. Additionally, one reason health care is so expensive is because we're living longer. Most of the heavy expenses incurred come toward the end of life. We're victims of our own success there.

Here's a few ideas that are continually floated but always ignored by Dems who hear them, blink their eyes and say, but we need NEW ideas:

Health care needs portability across state lines, the ability to have catastrophic-only health insurance and, most importantly, putting the money - and the decisions - back into the hands of the consumers.

Yes, tort reform is a huge part of that, but it will never happen under Democrats. And yeah, Republicans take money from the trial lawyers too. As I've said many times, the Republican party is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Democrat party.

I don't know why people proclaim themselves fiscal conservatives and then embrace clearly liberal ideas.

Siegfried X| 7.14.09 @ 3:38PM

"Palin's subtle racist attacks for John McCain"

Hillary Clinton was much tougher on Obama in the primary, attacks much more bigoted than anything Republicans did. Yet Democrats ignore that racism.

Monkies that can't learn| 7.14.09 @ 4:05PM

Reducing TAX what does the government use to pay off Americas HUGE DEBT?

15% tax with no debt would work, but the debt America has makes it a none starter.

America is Finished, and all that is left is how do they try to get out of the mess.

War with no end, and more wars, and more dead people. The only business for smart Americans is to invest in Grave digging, and manufacturing coffins.

Some Americans have returned to the old age culture of grave robbery.

This problem will not get solved by Republicans, or Democrats, but people taking charge of their own lives.

Some people put trust in Mysticism, like Jesus, God, hocus-pocus on the stock market and then lose all their money and the rich Bankers have another clean up every few years or so, leaving Millions out of their pentions and a future of poverty.

What Americans put their trus in is crooks like them selves who is willing to tell them to put their money on Black then it comes up red, more fool you again. Monkies never learn their lesson even when the same thing happen time and time again.

Bob| 7.14.09 @ 4:08PM

Grzmlyk, I work with facts, not simpleton beliefs. I would call your view of economics to be a "flat earth" belief. In fact, if you actually look at the data corrected for inflation, you cannot say that tax cuts are stimulative. It isn't tax policy that drives business, it is private enterprise.

Here's the GDP chart (not statistics, but a a graph of real data) to prove my point.

http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=230

You will not see virtually any change in the graph whether we've had high taxes or low taxes. That's reality. The reason you don't see it is because you don't understand the countervailing factors. Those include increased debt, less government spending, competition from other countries, etc. In addition, you don't make corporate investment decisions based on temporal tax policies. You invest in a business because you have a better idea or a competitive advantage. I know, that's what I did in business for 35 years.

As for the vast majority of individuals, the change in marginal rates is minimal. The effective tax rate (you do know what that is, right?) has hovered between 20-22% for years. Most people don't understand economics. If you're going to have a point of view, you should study the subject.

As to being a Keynesian -- you again show your lack of understanding. I have continually said that I find little evidence of stimulation due to either tax cuts or government spending. The problem with spending is that government spending is stimulative BUT it is not efficient. My view is that taxation rate should be at a level that pays for what you spend for that reason. The only way to control debt is to control spending. Tax cuts only have the effect of increasing the debt:

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

The problem with today's conservatism is that its adherents really don't know much about the subject matter and oversimplify the complexities.

Regarding health insurance, portability across state lines is a red herring. I can tell you that rates across state don't vary much except as the census demands, i.e., if you have a group with lower claims the rates will be lower. If you go across state lines, the rates of lower area will rise so those in low cost states will end up paying even more. If you're really interested in this subject, you should talk to a group actuary. I've been through the calculations.

Regarding decisions, currently they are made by the insurance company -- not individuals. Also, catastrophic only policies are available. Pre-existing conditions and universal coverage are two items that will almost double the price of health insurance. Most of you don't think about that aspect.

I am probably more of a fiscal conservative than you seem to be. I guess that makes YOU liberal.

jr| 7.14.09 @ 4:26PM

Who paid for Sotomay---or's education????

Marcell| 7.14.09 @ 5:02PM

"Palin's subtle racist attacks for John McCain"

Hillary Clinton was much tougher on Obama in the primary, attacks much more bigoted than anything Republicans did. Yet Democrats ignore that racism.

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Both were tough & ineffective. Racism in today's society is not effective on a national level.

I also wish that today's conservatives would clean up their act so they could force many of my peers, who happen to be minorities, to change for the better.

Might I add that the I am a victim of white supremacy skit encourages many young minorities to give up on trying to be extremely successful by doing all the right things to get ahead in today's society.

Many on both sides of the political perspectives have their unrealistic ideas about the other side, & neither are interested in doing the tough work to make a difference, unless they can benefit from the changes, because they profit from the bigotry.

Rush Limbaugh once said that the best propaganda is wrapped around lots of truth, & until you walk the walk with the talk all this great piece, Trumping the Race Card, is, is well thought of propaganda.

P.S. You are wasting your time trying to discourage me from doing what I do best, because my techniques are different. They come from years & years of listening & learning from both Party's radical talking points, something that many on both sides refuse to do.

This is an example of the nonsense that you want to hear.

Archie Bunker on Democrats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fqCS7Y_kME

Siegfried X| 7.14.09 @ 5:10PM

"Many on both sides of the political perspectives have their unrealistic ideas about the other side"

Yes, like believing that conservatives are racists. It's totally false, just labelling and guilt by association.

Marcell| 7.14.09 @ 5:21PM

Siegfried X

That is sort of like a black person saying that we can't be racist because we don't have enough capital to discriminate against whites.

There are two things wrong with this You tube. I date you to point both of them out.

Racism at McCain Palin rallies: Why whitey can't vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtIYpBGlv1U

P.S. That is a great you tube that makes my point.

Republican Perverts| 7.14.09 @ 5:44PM

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Marcell| 7.14.09 @ 5:53PM

I disagree with, They are all the same IDIOTS

Being that our constitution has been living document, because it is subject to change, for the better or worse, it gives us the opportunity to make the changes for the better.

The slow moving success of the civil rights movement proves that our country is far greater than any Democracy on earth.

In the words of conservative talk radio host Ken Hamilton: Pick a better country?

P.S. I don't know if I spelled his name right.

Rep & Religious Nutters| 7.14.09 @ 5:54PM

Gary Aldridge is one of the greatest in hidden schadenfreude stories. In Oct. of
2007, Rev. Gary Aldridge was a well liked pastor of the Thorington Road Baptist
Mega-Church in Alabama. Once again, the best schadenfreude doesn’t arrive until
after the event. With his wife and kids out of town, Aldridge thought it would be a fun
to insert a dildo into his rectum before putting on a rubber suit and accidently
hanging himself. When police found him they said every inch of his body was
covered with rubber. (Including the condom that covered the dildo.) Autopsy
recorded that he was found hogtied and wearing two complete wet suits, including a
face mask, diving gloves, slippers, rubberized underwear, and a head mask.
Obviously, a man's death isn't really schadenfreude material. The schadenfreude in
the story arrives as a consequence.

“What is autoerotic asphyxiation daddy?”

They couldn’t explain his death at Sunday mass. They couldn’t post it on the
community bulletin board. They probably came out and said, “Sorry, he’s dead. No
reason. He just died.” How could they say anything else? You can’t just serve - dildo,
rubber suit and autoerotic asphyxiation - on a delicate congregation and then follow
with Amazing Grace. (Although, I would have paid to have seen that.) News must
have spread like a Vegas bride. My schadenfreude guru woke up thinking about the
myriad of right-wing Alabama grandmothers that were given an advance study
course in fetish and fetish safety. Does grandma have a safety word?

Emotion vs. Logic | 7.14.09 @ 5:58PM

I am still waiting to see some one prove Bob wrong... That last post was a great one.

=)

Sodom& Gommorah USA, USA| 7.14.09 @ 6:02PM

Mark Sanford, From the Top
Against gay marriage? Check.

Against gay adoption? Check.

Invokes God and morality whenever it suits him? Check.

Cheats on his wife, humiliates the children he claims to love, makes a mockery of his supposed religious beliefs? Check.

— TPM, June 25, 2009

Bob| 7.14.09 @ 6:13PM

Emotion -- Some have tried to find data to support the notion that tax cuts are stimulative, but they either include inflation or disregard the slope of the trend. There are some that say that the market is a measure of economic growth, but we all know that the market is full of bubbles and doesn't at all represent domestic output. Even the Heritage Foundation, a conservative group, utilizes a long term trend from Kennedy and doesn't account for how changes in tax rates don't affect the trend of GDP.

A while back, Brian Westbrook (?) put forth an analysis to disprove that spending is not stimulative. However, even he finally agreed his analysis was full of holes because that is a very difficult analysis to make given that most of the federal spending is NOT discretionary. Here is a chart that I find particularly useful in regards to marginal tax rates effect on the economy:

http://www.heritage.org/research/features/budgetChartbook/Income-Tax-Receipts-Stay-Constant-Even-As-Tax-Rates-Decline.aspx

As with most economists, monetary policy seems to have more effect on the economy than fiscal policy. The way it looks to me, government needs to get out of the incentive business either with tax breaks or spending and let the market handle the load.

Sigfried X| 7.14.09 @ 6:24PM

Hillary was courting some of those same people at her rallies. Maybe they are liberal Democrats. They could have been PUMAs who were unhappy that Hillary lost.

Jim O'Brien| 7.14.09 @ 6:33PM

The article says "....the fastest way to get a Republican to fold is to call him or her a racist. It's an amazing kind of kryptonite that turns spines into jelly."

This assumes Republican "leaders" have spines in the first place. They can't even bring themselves to tag Obama for what he is: a socialist (pretending to be a capitalist). Republican "leaders" should constantly refer to the Demo Party as the Socialist Party, Demo Congressmen as Socialist Pelosi, Socialist Rangel, Socialist Kennedy, Socialist Leahy, Socialist Schumer, et cetera ........ Socialist Barack Obama.

The Republicans are too close to being socialists themselves, so they "don't want to go there".

Siegfried X| 7.14.09 @ 6:38PM

This assumes Republican "leaders" have spines in the first place.

Good point. It's not just justices. Those Republican politicians cave in on everything: stimulus, cap & trade, health care...

Marcell| 7.14.09 @ 8:22PM

Sigfried X| 7.14.09 @ 6:24PM

Hillary was courting some of those same people at her rallies. Maybe they are liberal Democrats. They could have been PUMAs who were unhappy that Hillary lost.

*************

Great point.

They did it because there weren't enough typical Democrats to support her.

I am wondering why many of you weren't insulted by her blatant attempts to play the race card on you by going on Faux News & encouraging Rush Limbaugh, & others like him to convince their supporters to register as Democrats to vote for her.

Rather you know it or not, it told a story about many of you who get your info from talk radio & Faux News, & the story line said that many if not most of you are attracted to the influence of the (white ) race card being played by white politicians.

It is the reason why I can easily ignore the rhetoric in the story that goes with this thread.

Further more, both McCain, Palin & Clinton's lost proves that the a politician had to have more than racism to win an election.

Finally, the thing I enjoyed the most about the last election was that many of the radical black leaders who claimed that America is a racist country were proven wrong, those like myself were proven to be right about white America. But, let Limbaugh tell the story, those white people who voted for Obama did it out of white guilt.

That is just another example of his bigotted personality.

I am done for the day, "Have a nice evening everyone."

Ralph Averill| 7.14.09 @ 8:47PM

"viewing Americans through the prism of race is profoundly un-American."
To the contrary; Americans, especially white European Americans, have always viewed everything through the prism of race. Starting with enslaving Africans, anihilating Native Americans, Jim Crow, (both the southern and northern versions), red-lining, and on and on.
Did Sotomayor, and Obama, get through the Ivy League because of Affirmative Action? You bet!
Do you really believe George W. Bush got into and through Yale and Harvard on his academic skills?
Republicans, and especially conservative Republicans, insist on denying the racial reality of America. People of color could never escape that reality. That's what Sotomayor meant in her "wise Latina" statement.

Floyd R. Turbo| 7.14.09 @ 9:39PM

These gutless RINO twerps like Sen. Smarmy Graham are the Washington Bullets for the Demorat Harlem Globetrotters. Not only was the “wise Latina woman” Judge Sotomayer UNANIMOUSLY reversed in Ricci (so much for her legal scholarship, objectivity and judicial temperament), but her “empathy” was beaten into mush.

When Justice Ginsburg offered the firefighters an “empathy” rose by another name (she said they had the court’s “sympathy),” Justice Alito handed her head back to her on a law book:
“ ‘Sympathy’ is not what petitioners have a right to demand. What they have a right to demand is evenhanded enforcement of THE LAW (emphasis added).”

ben| 7.14.09 @ 9:41PM

Not that you'd know about any of this if you just stuck with what you read in the mainstream press, yunno, MSNBC, ABC, NYTimes, WaPo, CNN, CBS, et al:

Funny thing. We’re not hearing the Democrats bang that culture of corruption drum much these days. Maybe it’s because they cleaned up all the corruption.

Just kidding.

It’s actually because the overwhelming number of politicians under investigation in Washington, DC these days are - drum roll, please - Democrats.

Fact is, there are now 12 active investigations looking into Democrats and only 4 looking into Republicans.

Democratic members of Congress under investigation: Sanford Bishop of Georgia, Jesse Jackson of Illinois, Allan Mollohan of West Virginia, John Murtha of Pennsylvania, Charlie Rangel of New York, Linda Sanchez of California, Loretta Sanchez of California, Pete Visclosky of Indiana.

Democratic Senators under investigation: Roland Burris of Illinois, Kent Conrad of North Dakota, Bob Menendez of New Jersey.

Republican members of Congress under investigation: Jerry Lewis of California, Garry Miller of California, Tim Murphy of Pennsylvania, Don Young of Alaska.

Republican Senators under investigation: None.

ben| 7.14.09 @ 9:53PM

Bob| 7.14.09 @ 4:08PM
It isn't tax policy that drives business, it is private enterprise.
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Right. But when the government takes our money from us in order to spend it for us, they are the ones making the decisions on which businesses/products succeed or fail. The businesses then work for the gov't instead of the people since gov't is the one spending the money.
Tax cuts give people back more of their own money. We then decide which businesses/products succeed or fail. We are in control of our own money and the businesses cater to our wishes and needs since we are the ones spending the money.
Gov't spending brings the power to the gov't - tyranny. Tax cuts give the power to the people - freedom.
You are correct that tax cuts without spending cuts leads to more debt which is why conservatives are calling for both. We want power to the people. The dems are promoting a self fulfilling prophecy of poverty for all. By increasing spending they acrue more debt and require more of our money to pay off the debt. Thus leaving the people with less money, less power and less freedom.

G. A. Kevis| 7.14.09 @ 11:31PM

Who let in the HUffington posters ?

jack| 7.15.09 @ 6:15AM

one of the main reasons barney frank and dems were able to stop republicans from regulating fannie early in the decade was because Republicans did not wanna be called racist and mean. this led to the present financial crisis. the republicans have not learned the lesson. as limbaugh often says it appears their only motivation is to be liked by the liberal media. it could be argued the republican party is not even an opposition party anymore. Proof,McCain even agreed with Obamas theory that proper tire inflation could make up for lack of offshore drilling,so as to not make Obama look like an imbecile for espousing such idiocy.
until Republicans are prepared to fight the Dems to the death on every issue no matter what names they are called they will remain irrelavent

living in the real world| 7.15.09 @ 2:37PM

dear Bob.....after wading through your evasive logic.....it is perhaps time to revisit the central theme in all of this: adherence to the Constitution. your "social libertarian" vote gave it all away...you too are as ideological as the next useful idiot. and no..the idea that winning the Preseidency is a winner take all proposition is a rationalization at best....puerile at worst. not to mention patently stupid.

here's what you should be concerned about: we have a crowd in power now that has very definite fascist inclinations. what we have seen these past mos is bsaically anti-democratic and certainly elitist. more so that than during even the Bush years......ends trump means, language is completely fluid, truth is ideologically determined, dissembling is the order of the day...and the returns are starting to come in on this one...incompetence is prerequisite. there is a threshhold out there...somewhere between sham dismisals of Black Panther voting rights violations, abrogation of contract law, global warming hipocracy...and nuclear holocaust wrought by grossly inept foreign policy...where idividuals start to opt out or fight back. as the true dimensions begin to clarify of what is really at stake and what is really in play in this un-Constitutional transfer of power to Czars......one can already see the initial signals. the intersting part will be how many fight back and how many opt out. a sub-theme will be what direction fighting back assumes.....there is liberal/leftist precedence for this....

adheeb| 7.16.09 @ 1:31PM

It's time for a new party.

blueaman mike lindner| 7.16.09 @ 5:12PM

Gang, she's getting the robe. Just another piece of disaster this Administration will visit upon the land.

bluesman mike lindner| 7.16.09 @ 5:16PM

Gang, she's getting the robe. Just another piece of disaster this Administration will visit upon the land.

AAA| 7.17.09 @ 3:01AM

Re: "A country in denial" (7.14.09 @ 7:55AM)

Perhaps if those 50,ooo foreign prisoners had remained home, they'd be free instead of languishing in an American jail, eating MY food and benefitting from MY free medical care. It's also quite likely, though, that most of these "crimmigrants" are far better off in MY jail than in their OWN country.

That's something I'd surely love to change!

AAA| 7.17.09 @ 3:02AM

re: "adheeb (7.16.09 @ 1:31PM) "It's time for a new party"

Hello, Sarah!!!

Hilary| 7.22.09 @ 12:32AM

The only people who use the "pulling the race card" card are the people who are themselves racists. When a racist wants to dismiss the very idea of racism, they always whine that someone is "pulling the race card". Unfortunately, this often will force the victim to back down.

We are living in the land of slavery and Jim Crow. It is absurd that so many of us would treat claims of racial discrimination as incredible.

Just a few months ago thousands, if not millions, of Americans used Barack Obama's blackness as a reason to not vote for him. Right on TV, without shame, they talked about how they couldn't vote for a black person.

The stench of racism is all around us. If you don't smell it, you're a racist.

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