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Kevin Riley O'Keeffe| 7.10.09 @ 7:27AM

Michael Jackson was a worthless degenerate. Why his mediocre singing and boring disco dancing leads anyone to conclude he was a great talent simply eludes me, but even if he were a phenomenal talent, he still should have been gassed by the state of California (that's our method of execution), on behalf of those little boys he sodomized. A society as sick as America will not long endure.

Kevin Riley O'Keeffe| 7.10.09 @ 7:31AM

Let me just add that I recall, at the age of 12 (when it was brand new), first seeing Michael Jackson's "Thriller" video. I watched about half of it, then remarked to the effect that I couldn't imagine how anyone could find such a thing remotely interesting, and changed the channel.

Solo| 7.10.09 @ 8:33AM

What is it about our "modern" culture that allows us to deny our own senses where "Pop" icons are concerned?

Is it not blatantly obvious to every rational adult that Jackon's "Neverland Ranch" was little more than a spider web in which to ensnare little boys? If you believe otherwise then perhaps you believe Jackson's story that he had a skin disorder that turned his skin white----oh....and, by the way, I suppose it straightened his hair, bobbed his nose and thinned his lips, as well!! By golly, this disorder was so pervasive that it actually caused him to 'father' a blond-haired child!!

Wake up America! Michael Jackson was a walking, dancing, singing, 24/7 freak show with a penchant for molesting little boys. And...the same sick, self-promoting, blood-sucking freaks who probably made him that way now have their slimy clutches on his now wealthy children.
And...the show goes on!

jane| 10.26.09 @ 11:27AM

You are so right.

notoobama| 7.10.09 @ 8:47AM

If he had been white, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
And what was with the dark glasses on all of his siblings on stage? Wierd.

Ghost Of Michael O'Donoghue| 7.10.09 @ 8:53AM

Regarding the Jackson brothers wearing
sunglasses indoors reminds me of the
quote by Larry David, "The only people
"who wear sunglasses indoors are blind
"people and A-holes..."

Laney Bormel| 7.10.09 @ 8:54AM

A society that celebrates twisted, perverted behavior is doomed. See Rome circa 300 A.D. That this nation elevates drug users, entertainment exhibitionists, and reprobates of all persuasions signals the end of the noble experiment named the USA. Nations with heterogeneous cultures clashing for acsendancy always collapse in nasty ways. With the spectacle of Michael Jackson's elevation to sainthood, we are seeing the end of Mr. Jefferson's vision. I am in mourning for that.

Anthony| 7.10.09 @ 9:10AM

This excellent article sums up the current state of the rotten perversity and corruption that has overtaken our culture and those who have led us to this debacle. Our elites and the American Left have left the great American Oak tree an outwardly appearing strong, majestic monument, yet a closer inspection shows an inner rot that is about to send this might Oak to its demise. That is where we find ourselves today. As the author so accurately sums up, Michael Jackson, good, Sarah Palin, bad. How did we get here????
As for Colin Powell, he continues to disgrace himself and all of us who once respected this man. He is a complete sell out and whore, who, apparently, finds nothing about the decadent Left worthy of criticism. My, my, how all those wonderful conservative values he applauded at the 1996 Republican Convention have gone the way of..... Michael Jackson.

Marcell| 7.10.09 @ 9:27AM

I am not a MJ fan, but I have enough respect for others to show decency while their family is morning a death.

I also didn't like Ronald Reagan, John Wayne, & Elvis Presley, but you wouldn’t find me trashing them while their family mourned. But, it is the reason why I call you conservatives Repugnant Republican (Repugs). "You people are about as bad as rowdy teenagers are on a city bus after school hours."

As far as Palin is concerned, it is as if you are asking us to respect Palin in ways that you wouldn't show to a typical liberal woman, & that is not going to happen.

It makes sense not to allow your propaganda for Palin to get any traction, or you will use her to attempt to manipulate the masses into believing that she is some sort of feminist like Hillary, in the same ways that you try to make todays Democratic Party look like the Democratic Party that many of you loved in the 1960s before the Civil Rights Act, when you attempt to convince black voters to stray away from that party.

Jackson American nightmare| 7.10.09 @ 9:29AM

Al Sharpton: What he should have said it's strange what greedy Americans would do for money.

Like the greedy Bankers, and the greedy parents who set up their kids to say Michael Jackson had Molested them for financial gain.

Then there was the Ponzi scheme set up by another greedy Wall Street criminal and robbed all those people of their life savings, he got 170 years in prison, what did these people get who tried to Blackmail Michael Jackson.

He may have bleached his skin, he did have the plastic surgery, he did take the pain killing drugs. People made a mess of Michael Jackson for money, and he let them do it.

Michael life was an American disaster. Now there are 3 kids who no one knows who the parents are, all for MONEY.

The question is who will be the next money machine?

jerryofva| 7.10.09 @ 9:42AM

Marcell:

You are right in saying it is wrong to make Sarah Palin into a feminist like Hillary Clinton. Sarah Palin worked her way up in the system while Hillary rode the coattails of her man. Palin is an exemplar of the progess women have made over the past 30 years while Hillary is a pre-feminst who needs a man to get a head.

Gunslinger| 7.10.09 @ 9:50AM

I love AS, and almost always agree. MJ was a freak, no doubt. Was he a child-molester?

He was, after all, acquitted. That should count for something, in America.

We are supposed to be a nation of Laws, and the Law determined him to be "not-guilty".

Yes, I DO believe OJ did it, in spite of the verdict, but that was a sick jury, and a clear miscarriage of justice.

Nobody, has even suggested that the MJ verdict was any such thing.

I'm not sure what MJ has to do with the LGBT community..other than this writer lumps them together because he has decided MJ is a homosexual predator of little boys.

Some of us Conservatives don't agree that's necessarily the case—strange as it may seem, and against our own "community's" collective judgment.

John II| 7.10.09 @ 10:26AM

Marcell: De gustibus non disputandum est, and all that, but if you consider Hillary Clinton a better person than Sarah Palin (and I'm no fan of Sarah Palin's, if that helps my case), then you're part of the problem: I mean, the general cultural rot and collapse of moral judgment alluded to in the article, which is particularly troublesome for the rest of us insofar as it is sustained by the impenetrable smugness you exhibit so neatly.

Grzmlyk| 7.10.09 @ 11:03AM

John II, you are addressing your comments to someone with the mind of a second grader.

Whereas most trolls on this site are of the puffed-up, carefully-calculated intellectual hogwash variety, Marcell is a jumble of half-thoughts, quotes recalled out of context from dubious sources and blind anger. He's trying to pick up that mess and put it into what he supposes is an intellectual container.

By all means, batten down your hatches: you are about to be eviscerated by air.

He makes the late and unlamented Dave Mathews look rational.

I love the Ghost of Michael O'Donoghue's Larry David quote. SO TRUE. I didn't watch much coverage of the funeral, but I did see that picture with all those people posing behind the coffin with sunglasses. How ridiculous that looking cool was way more important to these bozos than paying their respects to someone they supposedly loved (hah!).

But that's what's become of our culture. Attitude is everything. We openly worship posers not in spite of the fact that they are posers but because we like the pose. Thank you, ghetto culture.

But I'm with gunslinger on this. I'm not so sure Jackson was a pedophile. I wouldn' be suprised if he were, but I also wouldn't be surprised if his emotional maturation had been stunted well short of sexuality. He was just that crazy.

And considering that it's pretty clear the families who made the accusations against him had crawled out from under a rock, it makes it even a tougher call for most observers.

I think he was a very talented guy and a force in music. I think from his Jackson Five days through Bad, he was absolutely worthy of his "King of Pop" moniker.

But he WAS an entertainer, and I think the

Marcell| 7.10.09 @ 11:06AM

McCain chose Palin because he was trying to win over the disgruntled Hillary supporters.

Grzmlyk| 7.10.09 @ 11:07AM

Oops -
just to finish the thought, I think the sociological treatises on the meaning of his rise and fall are just about exhausted. Enough, already.

David H| 7.10.09 @ 11:13AM

If there is a Michael Jackson CD containing all of his hit songs during 1969-1987, I'd be first in line to buy it.

The man was weird, no doubt, but...he was never convicted of anything with children. Where there is smoke though, there is usually fire. I certainly would not have left either of my two boys alone in Neverland.

I chuckled at the Larry David quote, but are sunglasses at a funeral really that obnoxious? I have been fortunate enough to never have had to attend a funeral, but I probably would like to hide my teary, puffy, red eyes.

Grzmlyk| 7.10.09 @ 11:17AM

IMHO, David, yeah, sunglasses at a funeral are that obnoxious. None of those people looked like they were struggling with emotion; they looked like statues.

It's part of the uniform of detached cool.

I mean, if you are really there for a loved one and cannot contain your emotion, do you really care all that much if your eyes look puffy?

Robert Pinkerton| 7.10.09 @ 11:26AM

Anthony, 10/07/09/0910, re your oak tree analogy: Recall the opening scene in the very first chapter of Atlas Shrugged, in which Eddie Willers beholds a formerly stately oak tree on the Taggart estate. The tree had just been struck by lightning and burst asunder, revealing that it had been hollowed out by rot.

Tim| 7.10.09 @ 11:48AM

Mr. Neumayr I share your emotions but, respectfully, your line "Jackson's lab-generated children," goes too far and was a cruel thing to write about children who need our obviously and desperately need our prayers. Only God can save them from the jaws of the beast that ate their father.

bill carson| 7.10.09 @ 11:51AM

I'll not disagree with any of the above posters who dislike Jackson. My concern is with the 31 million people who watched that loser being worshiped on TV. Whoooa! What's gonna happen to a society that goes that low?

Doorgunner| 7.10.09 @ 12:02PM

His singing showed all the range of a one-string guitar; although fairly flexible, his dancing was strictly amateur; and his "musical genius", well, show me the innovation, the dynanism, the... anything that 'tells' genius.
This poor excuse for a man was hero to the ignorant and immature for one simple reason: he attained the wealth that allowed him to physically create the illusion of perpetual childhood. For majority of 'boomers' and subsequent generations -who seem perpetually outraged at having been told there ain't no Santy Claus- this isn't solipsism unbound, it isn't the drug of delusion (which, apparently wasn't enough), it's nirvana achieved.

Tim| 7.10.09 @ 12:12PM

1 Timothy 6:7-12 (New International Version)

For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Anneke| 7.10.09 @ 12:22PM

Whether he was a child molestor or not, we may never know with certainty. But how can anyone glorify this poor man. It's not what he did to others, but what he did to himself. Society is very sick if we chose to worship anorexic, drug-dependant, self-mutilators.

Dean Vander Linde| 7.10.09 @ 12:31PM

Now that the memorial services for Michael Jackson are over, there is the question of what to do with his body. To cremate, or bury? I would like to suggest an alternative. Let the Cult of Celebrity follow the example of the Cult of Communism. Like Lenin, Mao Zedong, and Ho Chi Minh, Michael Jackson should be interred in a glass coffin in a mausoleum at Neverland Ranch. That way, his millions of loyal fans can make pilgrimages to the site and pay homage to the King of Pop.

CUFFS| 7.10.09 @ 1:06PM

"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." --Marcus Aurelius

John II| 7.10.09 @ 1:17PM

"John II, you are addressing your comments to someone with the mind of a second grader . . . etc."

Grzmlyk: Oh. Well, I guess it serves me right for jumping in. Weird how your evaluation of Marcell was perfectly illustrated by his off-the wall response (to me or to you?) blurted right after your unfinished posting.

I think I have too much time on my hands this summer--this posting habit is beginning to feel barely a few notches above playing video poker in the casinos. I need to find a more useful hobby.

Mattled| 7.10.09 @ 1:25PM

Dean---right on!

We can have an official pilgrimage on November 6, 2012---as a matter of fact, let's sponsor an all day event. Let people come from all over to pay tribute----

Grzmlyk| 7.10.09 @ 1:29PM

Well, doorgunner I do think he had real talent - However, a lot of that was brought to the fore by others: Berry Gordy with the Jackson Five and then Quincy Jones with Thriller. He was never an auteur.

As for his dancing, I think it was utterly unique and almost defied physics. But I will say that it fell short because it always seemed to be a serious of dazzling moves, but never quite reached the level of actual dancing - a real dance has a beginning, middle and end.

So although Fred Astaire calls him the best he'd ever seen, I'd say give me Fred any day. That WAS genius.

Grzmlyk| 7.10.09 @ 1:36PM

Well, John II, I think Marcell pieces together some content he's appropriated from god knows where, some of which appears cogent at first blush - but he doesn't even really process that content - which turns out to be spurious in any case - and he compounds the illiteracy by threading it together with his original 'thought" - disorganized rantings that betray someone who wants very badly to be taken seriously as a thinker - but doesn't have the ability to think.

Then he masquerades under different monikers with irrelevancies like the quote from "Cuffs."

By the end of the afternoon he'll be doing an illiterate version of an end-zone dance, telling us all he's run rings around us with his brilliance.

It's pathetic, actually, and if he weren't inviting it by disrupting the proceedings I wouldn't bother with him.

Joe| 7.10.09 @ 2:00PM

Marcell, please go back to the French cave you came from. Don't compare great man to a freak and pervert. The only reason people are commenting is not his death or his family but the other nuts who are celebrating his sickening life and making excuses for it. And in some cases going after those who point out the truth.

Dennis| 7.10.09 @ 2:39PM

For Marcell:

Palin? You read Michael Jackson material and find a Palin subtext?

Take any current topic, squeeze a liberal's brain - it only takes minimal effort - and out jumps Sarah Palin.

Your sick obsession with one mere woman betrays your inability to focus on anything meaningful. She's out of the picture but you need to jump on her political corpse and have your necrophiliac way with again and again. Such illness makes Michael Jackson's perversities pale in comparison, you're welcome for the pun. In case you didn't understand that, liberals make MJ seem a healthy, normal American male by comparison. But you're right about one thing: She's not a feminist like Hillary, which is why faux feminists like you hate her so irrationally.

Somehow, not publicly celebrating over the deaths of Ronald Reagan and John Wayne - I say publicly, because we all know you secretly danced in the streets - somehow makes you a decent human being? Besides, we only have your work for it that you didn't celebrate their deaths by trashing them. The word of a liberal. Decent and liberal have no place in the same sentence, and you know it.

Whocares| 7.10.09 @ 3:36PM

Thank you Marcell. Agreed.

Oldefarte| 7.10.09 @ 3:43PM

His musical/artist talents aside, the 24/7 media coverage of him [and other examples stated by George] only demonstrates the toilet depths to which our country and our culture has sunk. I'll say it again for the 100th time, you, myself and all Americans allowed this to happen over the last 50 years, and especially on 11/4/08. Is this what we want America to be? The ONLY solution is for voters [who ignorantly elected this president and these liberal congressmen] to go to the polls in 2010 and 2012 and begin correcting this deplorable situation. America's survival is at stake, folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ihslandall| 10.26.09 @ 11:37AM

so so right

AtotheD| 7.10.09 @ 3:45PM

ugh....the utter BS on these comments truly makes me cringe.

Old Texican| 7.10.09 @ 4:46PM

Decent people here.
We gonna' have to fight 'em aren't we?

Over open sights seems the only way to beat them.
God help our country!

Laughing Liberal| 7.10.09 @ 4:53PM

"A nation which turns tots over to gay couples at adoption agencies, plunges elementary-school children into LGBT propaganda, cheers gay pride parades in major cities"

It's called the 21st century grandpa, and you and the rest of the Neanderthals better get used to it.

And people have the temerity to insist that the Repugnantone Party is out of touch.

Thanks for the laughs!

Old Texican| 7.10.09 @ 5:15PM

Laughing Liberal
If you think molesting children is cool. I sincerely hope I never hear you say it to my face.
You could not survive that.

What do yah know| 7.10.09 @ 5:37PM

HOMOSEXUAL CHILD PROSTITUTION RING INVOLVING GEORGE BUSH SR.
ARCHIVE OF PUBLISHED ARTICLES OF YET ANOTHER OF MASSIVELY SUPPRESSED STORY INVOLVING THE FAMILY WHO IS ABOVE ALL LAWS - THE BUSHES

In the high stakes world of global politics, it is common practice to procure sexual favors in the hopes to gain leverage or to gain power through blackmail. It's done all the time. The Soviets did it. The Americans do it, and many other countries as well. This following is the bizarre and very real child sexual prostitution ring involving the Republican elite of Washington. And the trail leads right up to George H. W. Bush. Read the chilling story.

SEX AND THE CAPITAL

KARLYN BARKER, WASHINGTON POST, JULY 24, 1990: The alleged leader of what authorities have called the largest male prostitution operation in the Washington area surrendered to federal agents yesterday and pleaded not guilty to racketeering charges that have been filed against him and three alleged accomplices. Henry W. Vinson, 29, of Williamson, W.Va., a coal miner's son accused of setting up the homosexual escort service, was arraigned in U.S. District Court here yesterday afternoon after turning himself in to Secret Service agents . . . At a news conference after the arraignment, [U.S. Attorney Jay] Stephens said the investigation into the alleged prostitution ring "is concluded" and that the indictment, which was unsealed yesterday, focused on those who allegedly set up the ring rather than on clients who reportedly patronized it. Asked about earlier reports that some of those clients included high-level officials in the Reagan and Bush administrations, Stephens said the investigation had not revealed "additional conduct which suggests criminal conduct on behalf of other people." . . . The Vinson case provoked additional notice after The Washington Times published reports last summer suggesting that the alleged prostitution ring had been patronized by government officials. The Times named as clients several low-level government employees and Craig J. Spence, a Washington lobbyist and party-giver who, the paper said, took friends and prostitutes on late-night tours of the White House. Spence was found dead in a Boston hotel room last fall, and authorities ruled his death a suicide . . . To date, however, investigators have disclosed no evidence linking any high-level government official to the escort service.

Laughing Liberal| 7.10.09 @ 5:49PM

Old Texican,

Of course child molestation isn't cool, and neither is the sheer idiotic hatred of gay people by the halfwit who wrote this article. For what it's worth I thought Michael Jackson was a talented guy, but I never liked his music and his personal life was creepy at best.

What do yah know| 7.10.09 @ 5:54PM

The only story that received much attention. A male prostitute, identified by the alias Greg Davis, entertained clients in the apartment of Rep. Barney Frank. Frank admitted having a relationship with the prostitute, but denied knowledge of the use of his apartment for illicit purposes.

"Sex sold from congressman's apartment: School used as base for sex ring," George Archibald and Paul M. Rodriguez, The Washington Times, August 25, 1989.
In which we learn that Barney Frank's call boy also did business in a local public school.

"THE GOBIE STORY: Frank's 'call boy' tells all," George Archibald, and Paul M. Rodriguez, The Washington Times, September 1, 1989.
In which Stephen L. Gobie, whose professional name in the underground prostitute trade is "Greg Davis," insists that Rep. Barney Frank knew of the use of his apartment as a base for prostitution. Gobie also reveals that one of his clients was Craig Spence.

"IN DEATH, SPENCE STAYED TRUE TO FORM," Michael Hedges, and Jerry Seper, The Washington Times, Monday, November 13, 1989.
Craig Spence is found dead in a Boston hotel room. Near his body is a newspaper clipping that details legislative efforts to protect CIA agents called to testify before government bodies. Friends of Spence reported that he had claimed the CIA used the call boy service to compromise other federal intelligence officials and foreign diplomats. One friend quoted Spence as saying, "Casey's boys are out to get me,"

"SPENCE AS MUCH AN ENIGMA IN DEATH AS HE WAS IN LIFE," Jerry Seper, and Michael Hedges, The Washington Times, November 13, 1989.
In which we learn how slow had been the federal investigation into the allegations swirling around Craig Spence. Spence himself had been handed a subpoena more than two months before his death, but was never called to testify. Officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, identified in The Times as having used the call-boy service, had not even been contacted by law enforcement officials. One witness reported: "They asked me what I thought Spence wanted to know about the Delta project."

"Prostitutes corroborate Frank stories," Paul M. Rodriguez, The Washington Times, February 2, 1990.
In which other prostitutes corroborate Gobies' claims that Rep. Barney Frank knew of his use of the congressman's apartment for use as a bordello. Gobie also claims that Craig Spence was one of his clients and had tried to recruit him to help "in a sordid scheme to blackmail the powerful politicians invited to his lavish parties." Gobie claimed that Mr. Spence said to him, "Do you know what kind of power you can have over people if you've got something on them? . . . I need boys and girls for people in government and high-level businessmen for my parties, for individuals, for whatever comes up."

What do yah know| 7.10.09 @ 6:57PM

Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush
Key Excerpts from Article on Website of WantToKnow.info/Washington Times

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Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush
WantToKnow.info/Washington Times, June 29, 1989
Posted: 2006-12-05 15:42:48
http://www.WantToKnow.info/890629washingtontimesfranklin

A homosexual prostitution ring is under investigation by federal and District authorities and includes among its clients key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, military officers, congressional aides and US and foreign businessmen with close social ties to Washington's political elite. Reporters for this newspaper examined hundreds of credit-card vouchers, drawn on both corporate and personal cards and made payable to the escort service operated by the homosexual ring. Among clients who charged homosexual prostitutes services on major credit cards over the past 18 months are Charles K. Dutcher, former associate director of presidential personnel in the Reagan administration, and Paul R. Balach, Labor Secretary Elizabeth Dole’s political personnel liaison to the White House. Members of major news organizations also procured escort services from the ring, credit card documents show. These include Stanley Mark Tapscott, who was an assistant managing editor of The Washington Times. Before joining The Times, Mr. Tapscott worked for the Office of Personnel Management in the Reagan administration. A major concern, said the former official with longtime ties to top-ranking military intelligence officers, was that hostile foreign intelligence services were using young male prostitutes to compromise top administration homosexuals, thus making them subject to blackmail.

Jacked up. Rep F...ed up| 7.10.09 @ 7:10PM

Washington Times on Franklin Affair

"A homosexual prostitution ring is under investigation by federal and District authorities and includes among its clients key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, military officers, congressional aides and US and foreign businessmen with close social ties to Washington's political elite. Reporters for this newspaper examined hundreds of credit-card vouchers, drawn on both corporate and personal cards and made payable to the escort service operated by the homosexual ring."
-- Washington Times, 6/29/1989

http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/WashingtonTimes.htm - Scanned image of article

Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush
‘Call boys’ took midnight tour of White House

Paul M. Rodriguez and George Archibald
The Washington Times
June 29, 1989

A homosexual prostitution ring is under investigation by federal and District authorities and includes among its clients key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, military officers, congressional aides and US and foreign businessmen with close social ties to Washington's political elite, documents obtained by The Washington Times reveal.

One of the ring's high-profile clients was so well-connected, in fact, that he could arrange a middle-of-the-night tour of the White House for his friends on Sunday, July 3, of last year. Among the six persons on the extraordinary 1 a.m. tour were two male prostitutes.

Federal authorities, including the Secret Service, are investigating criminal aspects of the ring and have told male prostitutes and their homosexual clients that a grand jury will deliberate over the evidence throughout the summer, The Times learned.

Reporters for this newspaper examined hundreds of credit-card vouchers, drawn on both corporate and personal cards and made payable to the escort service operated by the homosexual ring. Many of the vouchers were run through a so-called "sub-merchant" account of the Chambers Funeral Home by a son of the owner, without the company's knowledge.

Among the client names contained in the vouchers - and identified by prostitutes and escort operators - are government officials, locally based US military officers, businessmen, lawyers, bankers, congressional aides and other professionals.

Editors of The Times said the newspaper would print only the names of those found to be in sensitive government posts or positions of influence. "There is no intention of publishing names or facts about the operation merely for titillation," said Wesley Pruden, managing editor of The Times.

The office of US Attorney General Jay B. Stephens, former deputy White House counsel to President Reagan, is coordinating federal aspects of the inquiry but refused to discuss the investigation or grand jury actions.

Several former White House colleagues of Mr. Stephen are listed among clients of the homosexual prostitution ring, according to the credit card records, and those persons have confirmed that the charges were theirs.

Mr. Stephen's office, after first saying it would cooperate with The Times' inquiry, withdrew the offer late yesterday and also declined to say whether Mr. Stephens would recuse himself from the case because of possible conflict of interest.

At least one highly placed Bush administration official and a wealthy businessman who procured homosexual prostitutes from the escort services operated by the ring are cooperating with the investigation, several sources said.

Among clients who charged homosexual prostitutes services on major credit cards over the past 18 months are Charles K. Dutcher, former associate director of presidential personnel in the Reagan administration, and Paul R. Balach, Labor Secretary Elizabeth Dole’s political personnel liaison to the White House.

In the 1970s, Mr. Dutcher was a congressional aide to former Rep. Robert Bauman, Maryland Republican, who resigned from the House after admitted having engaged in sexual liaisons with teen-age male prostitutes. Mr. Dutcher also worked on the staff of Vice President Dan Quayle when he represented an Indiana district in the House.

Vaemar| 7.11.09 @ 2:58AM

Degeneration has, of course, gone further in Britain. The recent Gay Pride March there had members of the armed services marching in uniform, led by officers.

bluecollarbytes| 7.11.09 @ 8:32AM

Jackson had a Great voice. His videos meant nothing to me. But our society Needs to continue recognizing perversity for what it is or it will become the norm. Then folks will look at PopCulture at stars like Jackson and claim his actions 'just go with the territory'. Wait....I guess they already claim that.

Blackmailed for money| 7.11.09 @ 9:01AM

Gossip >> more Gossip JORDAN CHANDLER: MJ DID NOT MOLEST ME, I LIED!
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With the news of the passing of Michal Jackson, the truth about who MJ really was has been coming to light these pass days. And, now the little boy who claimed that Micheal Jackson "molested" him when he was younger has now issued a statement saying "I lied for my father, I'm sorry Michael'! WOW!

In 1993, Jordan Chandler told a psychiatrist and police that he and Jackson had engaged in sexual acts that included oral sex, the boy gave detailed description of Jackson’s genitals. The case was settled out of court for a reported $22 million, but the strain led Jackson to begin taking painkillers. Eventually he became addicted.
Now maybe for the remorse of his death Jordan Chandler decides to tell us the truth. ” I never meant to lie and destroy Michael Jackson but my father made me to tell only lies. Now i can’t tell Michael how much i’m sorry and if he will forgive me ”.

His father, Evan Chandler was tape-recorded saying amongst other things, “If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever…

Under the influence of a controversial father (Evan Chandler) told his son to tell that Jackson had touched his penis. Evan Chandler then told a psychiatrist and later police that he and Jackson had engaged in acts of kissing, masturbation and oral sex, as well as giving a detailed description of what he alleged were the singer’s genitals.

"Now for the first time i can’t bare to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn’t do anything to me, all was my father lies to escape from being poor.” says Jordan.

On top of that Jordan Chandler, now 26, filed a request for a restraining order against his father on August 5, 2005. The reason for the order was that Evan Chandler, formerly a dentist and an aspiring screenwriter, had allegedly hit Jordan over the head from behind with a twelve and a half pound weight. He’d also allegedly sprayed him in the face with mace and tried to choke him.

This startling news really upsets me for the simple fact that for all these years the press have drugged Michael Jackson into the ground with all the lies about him being a child molester, messing with little boys and etc. This is just a disgrace!

I really don't blame the little boy at all, he was too young to even know what was really going on, I blame his d*mn father! Why do people seem to think that lying on something as serious as this is cool? All over so fu*cking money! He has no idea the amount of damaged he has caused to MJ's name, career, family, children and fans world-wide. I never for a moment believed that MJ was a molester, he was purely misunderstood!

You now what I really hope the Jackson family takes that dumb a** "father" to court and get every drop of that $22 million back that MJ lost. This is just not cool at all. Life is not a fu*cking joke, it's sad how people will go to such lows to ruin a name.

If MJ is reading this right now, we know who you are and all the pain you have been through! Your legacy, music, life will forever live on forever! No one can ever take that away from you!

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Homosexuals In the white house| 7.11.09 @ 9:28AM

Barney Frank and Other Boy Lovers [Free Republic Archives]
Court Transcript posted by NDCORUP ^ | 07/15/2000 | Freeper NDCORUP

Posted on 22 October 2006 00:19:39 by bvw

The following is from a transcript of the Award hearing for Paul Bonacci, a young man who was used as a prostitute by a Larry King, who was owner of a Savings and Loan in, I believe Omaha, Neb. There was much relevant (to the contentions of others, as well as myself) testimony about the perversions of "our elected leaders". The entire transcript is extremely long, but as much as any show interest in can be added.

I believe the final award in this hearing was in excess of $1 Million, but the victim will never see it, and he knew it, as well as John DeCamp his Lawyer. It was a matter of bringing the story to an end.

Subject: Re: Bonacci Transcript (Pt. 1)

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEBRASKA

PAUL A. BONACCI, ( 4:91CV3037)

Plaintiff, vs. TRANSCRIPT

Clean up your own house, the White House of your Homoxesual leaders in American Congerss before you speak about Michael Jackson.

Marcell | 7.11.09 @ 1:02PM

Decent people here.

We gonna' have to fight 'em aren't we? Over open sights seems the only way to beat them. God help our country!

Define: Infamous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGWAnSTHYrE&feature=related

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Or should I say, "The Infamous Black Cell."

I agree with you 100%

The internet does something that talk radio will never do, & that is to allow all sides to compete, as long as the posters comments are civil.

Talk radio host are more manipulative & imaginary than TV or news papers could ever be, even though they both, television & news papers, are masters of manipulation & deception, because the hosts of the talk shows give the false impression that they aren't afraid of real debate, but yes they are afraid of competition( Debate). They use their call screeners to screen out intelligent disagreement, thus giving their conservative listeners the false impression that liberals can't win the debate in the arena of ideas.

In addition, they also use cleaver techniques like allow the intelligent people who disagree with them on the air right before a hard commercial break, so they can give the false impression that they didn't have enough time to confront the issue at hand.

Oh, I forgot the infamous, once a caller make a great point, hang up on him or her, then the host gives his or her weak response & move on. Yet, they spend the next hour using other callers to spin & smearing the strong points that the caller who disagreed made. Something that is common on conservative blogs.
It is a cleaver technique that I see through with ease.

Rather you know it or not, we used the threat of implementing the Fairness Doctrine to force conservative talk show host to allow those who disagree with them on the air. Even though they still wouldn't allow many well informed liberals on the air, our threats accomplish our goals.

Even though I have been on the losing side of competition most of my life, I have still believed in the principles of competition. I say, “Never give up until you find something you are good at doing.”

Yeah, I agree that you are gonna' have to verbally fight us in the trenches of the internet.

Here is a metaphor of what you are up against

Wu-tang Clan - Da Mystery of (Political) Chessboxin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl6jwab3HWk

P.S. Many of you might be too old or out of touch to get my metaphor, but the pop culture & the liberals do, &" they love it."

Marcell | 7.11.09 @ 1:04PM

I left out, By The Infamous Texican

Verbal Severe Punishment| 7.11.09 @ 1:24PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2IhS_PHpc0&feature=related

Steve H.| 7.11.09 @ 8:19PM

I see some supporters of perversion are offended by Mr. Neumayr's article, and wish to express that some persons on the Right of politics are also perverts. This is undoubtedly so. However, this fact does not make Michael Jackson normal. And it is shameful that America will slobber over the death of a paranoid, drug infested, child molesting weirdo -- talented or otherwise. Let's have a little perspective. MJ was morally corrupt, financially irresponsible, and just plain strange. Not one of you would've asked him to babysit your children or want him seen in your neighborhood. I know there are some people who would like plastic statues of MJ on their dashboards, but these people aren't normal, either. Let's get a grip on reality here.

janet| 7.12.09 @ 8:25AM

The pop culture idol worshipping in this country is sickening; MJ just being the latest act in the dog and pony show. The manipulation of his kids with regards to their conception is downright degrading and is something I find most objectionable. These kids were created in a petrie dish, don't know their true parentage, had donor eggs, surrogate mothers , grew up in an environment that can be described nothing other then child abusive to the nth degree, yet you have the Sharptons of the "community" screaming that THEY are the normal ones? WOW. And they wonder about the decline and rot of the African-American community...

Marcell,

LOL on your posts, especially the one where you are crying about how uncompetitive and unfair talk radio is. Newsflash: liberal talk radio shows are proven abject failures because the bottom line is, nobody wants to hear what they say. Their opinions don't resonate with the majority of Americans. Talking about appreciating competitiveness yet supporting the Fairness Doctrine is just another example of how truly nonsensical your posts are, but thanks for the early morning laughs. Now I am all set to go to Church. I'll say a prayer for you. Peace.

Marcell| 7.12.09 @ 11:37AM

Great Morning Janet

I really enjoyed reading your post, because what you are saying is that the conservative talk radio would lose its popularity if they allowed real debate. That is because you & I both know that conservatism only makes sense when it don't allow opposing views, or if you do what Faux News does by finding Democrats who a willing to pull back their punches in order for the Sean Insanities to look impressive.

On another note, liberal talk radio may not be as popular as conservative talk radio, but it is a very important asset for the Democratic Party, yet it is only one part of what is needed to defeat conservatives; our message is strong because we have so many new alternative ways to get our message out.

“Talking about appreciating competitiveness yet supporting the Fairness Doctrine is just another example of how truly nonsensical your posts are.”

By Janet

Define the Fairness Doctrine:

“The policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission that became known as the "Fairness Doctrine" is an attempt to ensure that all coverage of controversial issues by a broadcast station be balanced and fair.”

It is not the truth that matters it is what you can get people to believe.

By Rush Limbaugh

I told that quote to one of my college professors & he responded by saying, No, it goes like this: if a person likes you or your views, he or she will more than likely accept your perspective(s), but if they don't like you, you can make as much sense as you want & they will still disagree with you.

Janet, the real silent majority in America are not ideologues like many of your conservative friends; they are considerate enough to listen to both sides, like a jury.

I have learned that God will hold the leaders accountable for manipulating the masses, but he will hold you (the masses) accountable when you (they) have been given enough info to reject the corruption & chose to do nothing to change it, thus explains why when God comes for his followers ( End Times) many, if not most, of his followers will be left on earth.

Correction | 7.12.09 @ 11:45AM

Not the end time but the rapture.

Deface Repug Nation | 7.12.09 @ 12:04PM

You people are a joke =)

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July 12, 2009

A Little Context

Yes, Millions Watched Michael Jackson's Memorial, But Bob Schieffer Points Out Some Other Big Audience Draws

(CBS) Ask anyone what their favorite music is and they'll usually choose the music that was popular when they were in high school.

For me that meant the likes of Elvis and Chuck Berry and Little Richard and, because I'm from Texas, Ernest Tubb, Hank Williams and, a little later, George Jones.

Maybe that's why I never got Michael Jackson's music - he was long after my salad days.

What I thought of when he died was not his music, but the weirdness - the grotesque facial surgery, the Halloween costume attire, the drug rumors and all the rest.

That's just me, of course.

Jackson and his music meant a lot to many people. Thirty-one million people watched his memorial service. It was news, all right.

But before we declare this some sort of never-before-seen outpouring of emotion and national affection, just a little context:

"American Idol" draws close to 30 million on a good night.

More people actually tuned in to see the burial service for Ronald Reagan than saw Jackson's memorial service.

A far greater audience watched the presidential debates.

And while it is true that an astonishing 1.6 million people registered for a lottery offering free tickets to Jackson's memorial service, a lot more people - more than two million - took the trouble to make their way to Washington to see, in person, the inauguration of America's first African American president, even though it was on television, too.

Somehow I find that reassuring.

Prove him guilty IDIOT| 7.12.09 @ 12:41PM

Steve H.| 7.11.09 @ 8:19PM
I see some supporters of perversion are offended by Mr. Neumayr's article, and wish to express that some persons on the Right of politics are also perverts. This is undoubtedly so. However, this fact does not make Michael Jackson normal. And it is shameful that America will slobber over the death of a paranoid, drug infested, child molesting weirdo -- talented or otherwise.

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Yes. were you there did he molest you, do I know if you are not a mollestor too.

You people need to clean up your politics, and dump the corrupt politicans.

Stop worring about Michael Jacksons private life.

If you think he is a child molester produce your evidence. If you have none go back to sleep ASSHOLE. The last I heard he was aquitted of all charges, MORON.

SEX & Peadophiles & WhiteHouse| 7.12.09 @ 1:13PM

Homosexuals Control Bush
White House - Russian Paper
By Dimitri Sokolov
Moscow Gazette
3-7-5

Look it up and read it, and why were you people not worried about your public servants, that your taxes pays for your taxes was not funding Michael Jackson.

karen| 7.12.09 @ 10:04PM

Why is the Times and the entire MSM ignoring the latest DUKE scandal? Why are there no protests, not professor protests? Because gays trump all favored victim groups, even black babies.

Tom Anderson| 7.12.09 @ 10:55PM

It's unfortunate that so many commentators use Michael Jackson as the inkblot on which to project their religion-based hostility to gay people, as in "What kind of a country allows gay couples to adopt children?" Why do so many so-called Christians feel they must slander the many Americans who are gay? Such attacks demonstrate sloppy thinking and hateful attitudes. Whatever Michael Jackson did, and he was found not guilty in the case brought against him, pails in comparison to the harm Christians do when they condemn entire populations for no better reason than that they were born with different sexual preferences. All day I try to make the case to my gay friends to be a little more tolerant of Christians and not condemn them in the same way Christians frequently condemn and hate them. Where does this unreasoning, irrational hatred among Christians come from? You can't say the Bible, because we don't stone women anymore for being raped, as the Moslems do. From whence comes all this bile and loathing for people you are taught to love in the Biblical sense?

MJ foundation donate.| 7.13.09 @ 8:14AM

he Heal the World Foundation is a charitable organization founded by entertainer Michael Jackson in 1992. The foundation's creation was inspired by his charitable single of the same name. Through his foundation, Jackson airlifted 46 tons of supplies to Sarajevo, instituted drug and alcohol abuse education and donated millions of dollars to less fortunate children, including the full payment of a Hungarian child's liver transplant. Failure to file yearly accounting statements saw the charity lose its tax exempt status in 2002 but it was re-gained, under new management, in 2008.

Richard Baker| 7.13.09 @ 11:48AM

Just because he gave money to charity doesn't mitigate the fact that he was a drug addict and child molester. Wonder why the millions to those who accused him? Maybe it was his generous soul. That's it.

Who would you trust| 7.13.09 @ 6:12PM

Mother of Jackson's Accuser Pleads Not Guilty
Posted Jun 21st 2006 3:51

Janet Arvizo pled not guilty in an L.A. court Wednesday to charges of welfare fraud and perjury.

Arvizo, the mother of the boy who accused Michael Jackson of sexual molestation in 2003, looked happy as she left court today despite all the bad press, telling TMZ, "Today is a new day!"

Arvizo's lawyer said Janet hopes to resolve the welfare fraud charges without a trial.

As Arvizo left the courthouse after her arraignment, she told TMZ she was on her way to see her husband, United States Army Major Jay Jackson, who was returning from serving in Iraq today.

Arvizo is charged with fraudulently obtaining roughly $8,000 in welfare payments by allegedly lying about her financial situation. She invoked her Fifth Amendment right under oath during the Jackson trial when asked about why she took welfare when she had more than $30,000 in her bank account.

Arvizo is due back in court August 7th

thinkingabovemypaygrade| 7.14.09 @ 3:35PM

Am watching the 55 year old Fred Astaire dance (with great grace & athleticism) in a wonderful old movie.
He too was considered "entertainer of the century". Time will tell who retains the title - Jackson or Astaire!
And why is the tragic and dubious Jackson almost worshipped???
---Lots of people in power no longer use outside standards as a measuring stick for whom they will praise...Thus, we are moving towards an elitism. And some accused of serious crimes (and with verifiable at least dubious behaviors) get off as heroes...

It's not just. It's a kind of elitism.

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Christina| 8.6.09 @ 9:24PM

Think Whatever you want about Micheal Jackson and his controversy. But to compare molesting children to being raised by gay parents is ignorant. What is the matter with you pompus people who can't grow with the times already? I would rather be raised by a transgender couple than have grown up in your ignorant household.

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Lelani J| 6.5.11 @ 8:56AM

very sad boy- the abuse started in his own home, he is a victim too.