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Depp Out of His Depth
With Public Enemies, which opens today, Hollywoods adds to its legend as a gangsters’ paradise.
Today, the latest Hollywood film to glorify criminality opens. In Public Enemies, Johnny Depp plays John Dillinger, and to hear Depp tell it, Dillinger was no bad guy at all, but a genuine American hero.
“The title of the film is ‘Public Enemies,’ but I don’t see John Dillinger as an enemy of the public,” Depp told the Los Angeles Times. He noted that J. Edgar Hoover was the man who sent federal agents after Dillinger, and remarked, “I mean, who’s the real criminal?”
Well, Hoover had plenty of faults, but running a gang that murdered law enforcement officers and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars wasn’t one of them. But to Depp, the bank robbing at gunpoint was a Dillinger virtue.
On The Late Show with David Letterman last week, Depp lauded Dillinger as an American Robin Hood. He made the point, which is also made in the film’s trailer, that Dillinger robbed only from the banks, never from the people.
Apparently Johnny Depp, one of the greatest actors of our time, has never seen It’s a Wonderful Life, one of the great films of all time. It’s a Wonderful Life teaches us that the money held in banks belongs to the people. When Uncle Billy lost the Baily Building and Loan’s deposit, thus creating the panic that leads George Bailey to his fateful decision on the bridge, Depp never seems to have noticed where Uncle Billy was. He was in a bank.
Yes, it was the evil Mr. Potter’s bank. But that’s where the Bailey Building and Loan deposited its money. Had John Dillinger robbed Mr. Potter’s bank of all its cash, where would the Bailey Building and Loan have been then? Broke, unless Mr. Potter had insurance against bank robberies. If he didn’t, and Dillinger wiped out the bank, the Bailey Building and Loan would be out its money. Some folk hero.
Johnny Depp and the film’s writers and producers seem to think that banks own the money in their vaults. But of course, as Jimmy Stewart taught us, they don’t. That money belongs to the people who deposited it. It’s invested, it earns interest while doing good things like building homes, and some of that interest is returned to the depositors, aka, the people.
The sheer economic ignorance of this portrayal of Dillinger as Robin Hood is eclipsed only by the foolishness of asserting that Dillinger was heroic because, as Depp told the Times, “People at certain points just had to take up arms, did they not?”
Yes, the answer to the Depression was to rob banks. Brilliance on stilts. The problem with banks in the Great Depression was that they had too little money to lend, and Depp’s solution was to send marauding gangsters around the country to take what was left and spend it on fast cars and fast women.
And according to Depp, Dillinger is an OK guy because not only did he heroically redistribute wealth from the banks to the car dealers, liquor stores and prostitutes of greater Indiana and Illinois, but he might not have killed anyone in the process. Although Depp admits that Dillinger “fired weapons at” people, he says no one can prove the great man actually killed anyone. Perhaps not. But the FBI can show that the gang Dillinger led murdered 10 men and wounded seven others.
Dillinger’s gang broke him out of prison by shooting a sheriff and leaving him to die on the jail house floor not far from his wife, whom the gang had locked in a cell. Dillinger, who had to walk past the expiring sheriff, wasn’t troubled by the killing. Maybe sheriffs, like bankers, aren’t of “the people,” and therefore deserve what’s coming to them.
In the film, Dillinger is dramatically told that he can’t escape from a jail in which he’s being locked up. Depp’s Dillinger says, “Well, we’ll see about that.” Later, he heroically escapes. Dillinger was put in that jail to await trial for the murder of an East Chicago, Indiana police officer. Someone in Dillinger’s gang shot and killed the officer during a bank robbery. It might have been Dillinger. That killing followed the Dillinger gang’s murder of a police detective in Chicago.
In addition to killing sheriffs and police officers, Dillinger’s gang regularly took hostages and couldn’t have cared less if they lived or died. They opened fire against law enforcement officers with hostages in tow several times.
Legend has it that Dillinger was given up to the FBI by, as John Cusack hilariously says in High Fidelity, “his girlfriend!” His actual girlfriend had already been arrested. The woman who gave up Dillinger was a prostitute, Anna Sage, the former madam of Polly Hamilton, a waitress and prostitute whom Dillinger had picked up and was seeing.
Here was a man who stole the people’s money from the bankers who were trying, during the Depression, to invest it in economically stimulative activities, led a gang that murdered law enforcement officers without a second thought, and to top it all off was cavorting with prostitutes. And for all that he is gloriously portrayed by one of our time’s best actors, who tells all the world that the character he plays is no criminal at all, but a hero of the people.
Sure, John Dillinger’s life is top-notch movie material. But can’t we for once do a film about gangsters without glorifying their murderous thievery? OK, twice. There was The Untouchables. The mind marvels at how many gangster glorification films there are and how few films tell the stories of the men and women who risked, and sometimes lost, their lives to protect the public from the psychopaths and murderers Hollywood so often treats as heroes.
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Kitty| 7.1.09 @ 6:46AM
Damn! And I wanted to see this movie, too. But I won't now.
Depp is another Hollywood brain-trust who I wish would shut up and act.
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Robert Nowall | 7.1.09 @ 7:01AM
I think there's only one legend about Dillinger that impresses Hollywood types. I'd rather not repeat it, but maybe somebody else will.
El Rey| 7.1.09 @ 7:07AM
"I mean, who's the real criminal?"
Make you think.
Is it a Depression Era bank robber or the many traitors to the Republic that today infest Washington, DC in elected office, the courts, and the bureaucracy?
notoobamessiah| 7.1.09 @ 7:08AM
Mr. Nowall,
Was he gay?
Yeah, these actor with their over inflated sense of "knowing", need to as Miss Kitty said, "shut up and act".
Grzmlyk| 7.1.09 @ 10:37AM
I've always marveled at how homogenous the acting profession is; every damn one of them is a childish, narcissistic, self-indulgent, unthinking fool.
I know many actors - albeit small timers like myself. Believe me, irrespective of their station in life - whether community theater divas or Box Office Gold - they do not live in reality; they are frozen in amber in the solipsistic fantasyland of childhood in which they are the perpetual leading actor, and they have no more comprehension - or curiosity - about how the grown-up world works than regular people understand - or care to emulate - the actor's bottomless need for adoration above all else.
It's a travesty because acting is a worthy craft - no more and no less. Good actors serve an essential function in society, and, whatever else their flaws, we appreciate the Paul Newmans and the Phillip Seymour Hoffmans and, yes, the Johnny Depps of the world because at some level they affirm our private selves; after all, the child never goes away entirely and even within the stodgiest of curmudgeons beats the heart of an emotionally sentient creature, encrusted though it may be.
But in the real world, it's adult sensibilities that run the show and the grown-ups who ought to be in charge (and when I say "grown-ups," that pretty much excludes all Democrats).
Still, just once I'd like to meet an actor who's not an idiot.
I ain't holding my breath.
Tim WIlliams| 7.1.09 @ 11:54AM
Reading Depp's comments I can't help but be reminded of Bobby Brady's ill-founded admiration for outlaw Jesse James.
Too bad there is no Mike Brady to introduce Depp to the children of Dillinger's victims.
Andrew Smith| 7.1.09 @ 12:46PM
Well, Depp is an actor with who makes millions of dollars a minute of off an unwitting public and that is surely why his best work is portraying pirates, gangsters and other smarmy and unsavory characters.
Ed| 7.1.09 @ 2:04PM
To Grzmlyk: Jimmy Stewart was the real deal. He was a AAF/USAF bomber pilot and a good actor. I would agree with Grzmlyk that the current group of young actors are pretty hopeless schlemiels.
Alan Brooks| 7.1.09 @ 2:24PM
but Goodfellas, with all its ugliness, was still gloriously beautiful in that sick way the Godfathers I, II are. I could watch these 3 flicks a hundred times.
but stuff like this'n Donnie Brasco? nah, just technically entertaining.
Grzmlyk| 7.1.09 @ 2:45PM
Hi Ed:
I agree; Jimmy Stewart is a favorite of mine, a great actor and a fine human being by all accounts.
In fact, for the most part, the crop of movie stars of that era were far closer to being regular folks than today's styrofoam celebrities. Many old studio stars served active duty in WWII and more than a handful distinguished themselves: Glenn Ford, Clark Gable, Lee Marvin (Purple Heart) , Eddie Albert (won the Bronze Star at Tarawa), Jack Warden, Walter Matthau, Tyrone Power, James Arness, Paul Newman(!), Ernest Borgnine, Tony Curtis, George Kennedy, Kirk Douglas, William Holden, Jack Lemmon - the list goes on and on.
Back then, people held a different view of the acting profession - and of patriotism. Acting was a job, and one that many who lived through the depression appreciated having; patriotism was a virtue and personal character mattered.
And then Marlon Brando happened, the baby boomers came of age, TV rose to prominence and it all changed.
American culture became the apotheosis of narcissism and our "celebrity class" exploded - diluting the talent pool considerably and eliminating quality from the equation virtually altogether.
I can't tell you how many actors I personally know who are lazy, selfish, self-centered, ignorant, intellecutally mediocre, vacuous, callow jerks. They don't even view their chosen profession as a craft; it's just a means to almighty celebrityhood. Reality TV has removed any pretense of even creating a character.
As in many other areas of the arts, accomplishment means very little anymore; attitude and image are all.
Most of my peers have no knowledge of history, economics, political science or common sense. They just know how they "feel." And they "feel" that all of their boorish behavior, their selfishness, their ignorance, their utter dismissal of everybody's needs but theirs, are offset by their pretense of "caring" about others.
It is disgusting.
Dnns| 7.1.09 @ 3:10PM
It's a common conceit among actors that "playing" at a role gives them not only insight into the individual or class portrayed, but actually makes them one with the person portrayed. A recent encounter with an actor led to this exchange:
Non-actor: I'm a (choose profession)
Actor: Oh! I played a (same profession).
The implication is that we have so much in common.
Depp is in the same rut, in which pretending to be someone somehow confers legitimacy on the actor. In fact, his accomplishment is zip, having read someone else's words and followed someone else's instructions on which emotion to fake and where to stand. What he does is camouflage his own prejudices (anti-Hoover) in faux wisdom based on empathy for an illusion.
So much for intelligence in Hollywood.
Nolanimrod| 7.1.09 @ 6:45PM
As someone who has been stuck up at gun point I heartily wish Mr. Depp the same experience so he may experience the romance of it.
CW Lewis| 7.1.09 @ 6:52PM
I'd like to see a movie about "The Obamanation" - wouldn't that be something to see!
Only problem is you can't make up stuff like that!
DaveS| 7.1.09 @ 6:54PM
Methinks there is too much protest over 'Dillinger' - as played by Depp. Depp, due to his range, makes Pitt look like a B-movie actor. Who cares what he thinks of Dillinger; isn't he (by his answers) supposed to sell tickets? Ask him again in 2026.
Alan Brooks| 7.1.09 @ 7:03PM
Even in the depths of the '70s a movie like the Godfather was more like art than Depp's products.
People vs. Larry Flynt was the most ludicrous big flick I ever saw. Woody Harrelson plays Flynt: "I have a dream!" says Martin Luther Harrelson Flynt, "that a man be judged by the quality of his x-rated product..."
ame| 7.1.09 @ 7:36PM
Hollywooders are clueless - maybe good actors, but also uneducated, uninformed, and liberal because the label sounds cool - Depp doesn't know what he's talking about and what else is new... No one with a brain listens to these wanna be intelligentsia Obama tools anyway - Depp is almost as ignorant as Mr. I Won Obama who thinks Iran is no danger to us, that the USA has 57 states, that a language exits called Austrian that Muslims invented algebra, ETC ... Obama is the total dufus embarrassment to himself and the USA -
KyMouse| 7.1.09 @ 7:52PM
Johnny Depp ought to have a chat with the family of a bank teller here. A while back, two guys came in to rob the bank. Everybody cooperated with them; the tellers stood very still. As one of the guys vaulted over the counter, he took aim at one of the female tellers for some reason, and shot her through the heart. Her husband and young children still miss her very much. Dillinger and Depp -- *spit*
stmichrick| 7.1.09 @ 7:53PM
Did it ever occur to Depp that he is one of the 'rich' that a criminal like Dillinger wouldn' t mind stealing from?
Big Leo| 7.1.09 @ 9:09PM
Casting Johnny Depp as a weird psychopath-- what a surprise!
DougN| 7.1.09 @ 9:58PM
To Robert Nowall:
Yes, I know that rumor about Dillinger. First encountered it in "The Book of Lists," which I read over twenty years ago. It was a very...um...odd category. Apparently, Dillinger was the opposite extreme of Napoleon Bonaparte in certain physical characteristics.
C&K| 7.1.09 @ 10:33PM
I wanted to see this movie too! I still want to watch it though. Dillinger has always been glorified in history... along with Jesse James, and yes Robin Hood! Why take it so seriously now, just because it's Johnny Depp and not a macho Western actor like John Wayne? Just sayin'...
Seek| 7.2.09 @ 12:24AM
Actually, the filmmaker of "Public Enemies" is not named "Hollywood," but Michael Mann -- as in "Heat," "The Insider," "Last of the Mohicans," "Collateral," and, of course, "Miami Vice" (the TV show and the movie) . And he wasn't "glorifying" Dillinger's life; merely depicting it. Too bad culture warriors like Andrew Kline, all war and no culture, can't tell the difference.
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Rich Rostrom| 7.2.09 @ 4:12PM
"a film about gangsters without glorifying their murderous thievery?"
Goodfellas certainly qualifies. I'd also include both versions of Kiss of Death. However, The Untouchables does not, because it's about Ness and his team. In a film about heroic lawmen, the crooks are always unregenerate villains. There have been thousands of such films. It's when the focus is on the crooks that the moral compass goes haywire.
SmartAss2U| 7.2.09 @ 10:41PM
"Why take it so seriously now, just because it's Johnny Depp and not a macho Western actor like John Wayne? Just sayin'... "
Maybe 'Just apologize' for using The Duke reference in a girlie-boy depp story?
ljgtaf!
Richard Baker| 7.2.09 @ 11:40PM
Dillinger killed many people during his lawless escapades. Does anyone ever think about the families ruined or destroyed by his and the other motorized bandits' activities? The banks he hit had struggling farmers' and average folks' money. Why not do a movie about the number of people destroyed financially by the robberies in which these punks engaged? Dillinger, Baby-Face Nelson, Alvin Karpis, and the others were cowards who felt like BIG men with Thompsons, .45s, and BARs against police and sheriffs with .38s. The fictitious Robin Hood didn't destroy people, as legend says, by destroying the supposed beneficiaries of his activities. Dillinger did. His death outside the Biograph theater in Chicago was just the FBI taking out the trash. Shame on those who glorify any of these criminals.
C & K| 7.4.09 @ 2:14AM
(Quote from Smartass2u) Maybe 'Just apologize' for using The Duke reference in a girlie-boy depp story?
ljgtaf!
Apologize to whom? I don't think The Duke will mind, do you? Maybe you should ask him. And, Johnny Depp a girlie-boy? Please! He has proven himself to be a quality actor, and has played a wide variety of characters...this one included. Instead of focusing on "the vilians of the past"...why don't we focus on the robbery going on right now with our own government "leaders"!
Just sayin...ljgdas
Richard Baker| 7.4.09 @ 1:37PM
C&K:
The reason this movie idea is bad is that this "Robin Hood" mentality is being passed off by the Kenyan as the heighth of compassion, while the citizenry go broke and the theft of our Liberty is attempted. Bad ideas, whether from the past or present, are still bad ideas. Glorifying murderers or tyrants is a bad idea. Depp has made public statements regarding Dillinger as some kind of hero. What a sham.
SmartAss2u| 7.4.09 @ 3:36PM
"I don't think The Duke will mind, do you?"
I don't recall Duke glossing over a character played where he was a "good" "bad guy", you do?
Yes, girlie boy.
Think about it.
He-and many others in Hollyweird, make their fortunes, pretending to be someone else!
What a miserable feeling it must be to be unknown for what you KNOW you've accomplished!
Sure they provide a service, allow us to 'get away' in a good story, but Really!
I respect and understand your opinion but remember, if Depp sounds genuine, he's acting.
Are you as 'effin foxy as you sound? bet you are!(I'm not acting!)
Baker, lay off. Good points but just leave this to me, K?
You lost me on "Kenyan"...
CK-
"Instead of focusing on "the vilians of the past"...why don't we focus on the robbery going on right now with our own government "leaders"!"
I applaud that idea and would hope instead of time spent defending La Fem Depp, you'd spread that statement!
I think could get use from your good nature and attitude, though. ;)
SmartAss2u| 7.4.09 @ 3:37PM
"I don't think The Duke will mind, do you?"
I don't recall Duke glossing over a character played where he was a "good" "bad guy", you do?
Yes, girlie boy.
Think about it.
He-and many others in Hollyweird, make their fortunes, pretending to be someone else!
What a miserable feeling it must be to be unknown for what you KNOW you've accomplished!
Sure they provide a service, allow us to 'get away' in a good story, but Really!
I respect and understand your opinion but remember, if Depp sounds genuine, he's acting.
Are you as 'effin foxy as you sound? bet you are!(I'm not acting!)
Baker, lay off. Good points but just leave this to me, K?
You lost me on "Kenyan"...
SmartAss2u| 7.4.09 @ 3:40PM
"I don't think The Duke will mind, do you?"
I don't recall Duke glossing over a character played where he was a "good" "bad guy", you do?
Yes, girlie boy.
Think about it.
He-and many others in Hollyweird, make their fortunes, pretending to be someone else!
What a miserable feeling it must be to be unknown for what you KNOW you've accomplished!
Sure they provide a service, allow us to 'get away' in a good story, but Really!
I respect and understand your opinion but remember, if Depp sounds genuine, he's acting.
Are you as 'effin foxy as you sound? bet you are!(I'm not acting!)
Baker, lay off. Good points but just leave this to me, K?
You lost me on "Kenyan"...
smartass2u| 7.4.09 @ 3:45PM
Did I just 'triple post'?
There goes the credibility!
SmartAss2u| 7.4.09 @ 4:02PM
CK-
Maybe Depp's next flick, he could "act " like Jeffery Dalmer and promote it as a "Love Story".
I'll see 'public enemy' and will also remind everyone how bad Dillinger really was.
I hope my Girl Friend- who thinks like you- will eventually admit Depp's glorification of Dillinger isn't good for anything but his 'acting like others' career!
I think we should 'rassle for it, you?
Tomas| 7.4.09 @ 5:59PM
Grzmlyk:
Brilliant analysis of acting's moral demise throughout the 20th century.
You also state: "Most of my peers have no knowledge of history, economics, political science or common sense. They just know how they 'feel.'"
Our culture has swung completely into the "feeling" arena, so much so that intellectual, thoughtful discussions of important issues no long influence the majority of the people in the United States. This is why we had "I feel your pain" Clinton, and "Change" Obama, who is turnging out to be even more fraudulent than Slick Willy.
I lay this at the feet of Oprah Winfrey, who has single-handedly done more to promote feelings over facts than anyone else in our popular media. We will be cleaning up the sad, emotion-driven human debris she is leaving in her wake for generations to come.
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Albert Frevele| 7.5.09 @ 1:48PM
One of the best lines in a movie comes from "My Favorite Year." During a cocktail party in a New York highrise, two guys are having a discussion on the balcony. One of them sees the fictional swashbuckling movie actor Allan Swann hanging by a firehose a few floors down and remarks to his buddy "I think Allan Swann is beneath us!" To which his buddy replies "Of course he's beneath us. He's an actor!" Let's face it, actors ARE beneath us. They live in a fantasy world and eschew the real world that they themselves could never create. Johnny Depp is talented as an actor, but he is grossly misinformed about politics, history, and economics. It is his arrogance and conceit that propel him to new depths of stupidity. If he really thinks Dillinger was a hero, then the word "stupid" is hardly enough to describe him. And as for the murder victims and their families, who suffered at Dillinger's hands, Depp will never have any real sympathy for them. "Sacrifices have to be made" in his view, as long as it is someone ELSE who is sacrificed. And by the way, Captain Jack Sparrow has to be the LAMEST movie hero in cinema history.
rightcentrist| 7.5.09 @ 5:51PM
relax..it's just a movie..personally, I will wait till it whithers to network tv and, if i happen to be surfing by it, i might watch some of it..the whole package is really just a conspiracy to sell $5.00 bags of popcorn and $3.00 sodas (mostly ice).
C & K| 7.5.09 @ 11:19PM
rightcentrist| 7.5.09 @ 5:51PM
relax..it's just a movie..personally, I will wait till it whithers to network tv and, if i happen to be surfing by it, i might watch some of it..the whole package is really just a conspiracy to sell $5.00 bags of popcorn and $3.00
Hear Hear!!!
Just relax folks :)
Oh and Smartass4U, I Am effin hott!!! Wanna Wrassle? ;)
C & K| 7.5.09 @ 11:26PM
I applaud that idea and would hope instead of time spent defending La Fem Depp, you'd spread that statement!
I think could get use from your good nature and attitude, though. ;)
Hmmm, well Mr. Smartass2U...not 4U like I said in my last post...
Thanks for applauding me...
You could benefit from a good attitude and pleasant nature...thanks for admitting that.
;)
SmartAss4u| 7.6.09 @ 12:33AM
C&K No Dalmer comments or suggestions about the love story?
Yea, I want to 'rassle.
Honestly think I LOVE you. I'd go $5 for a large, buttered popcorn for ya!
Note ID change, but it's just 4u....
I want, I need what you got!
;)
C & K| 7.6.09 @ 1:36PM
smartass2 U or 4U or whatever...
Getting kind of brave aren't you? I faintly heard the Love Story Theme playing as I was reading your post... ahhhhh how sweet :)
Five dolla? Wow, keep talkin, you might talk me into going to see cutie Depp in his new fab movie ;) Muaaaah!!!
Maria| 7.7.09 @ 12:26PM
Oh, come on - he's just promoting the movie. I liked the movie; played by Depp, Dillinger is handsome and charismatic, but the film does not make him a hero. Depp himself has said numerous times he can't believe anyone cares what an actor says. They drag him all over the world and he gets asked the same stupid questions over and over. You can tell he just makes stuff up to get it over with, while not giving away anything personal about himself. I don't agree with his politics, but he seems to be a good-hearted person.
Wrought Iron Furniture | 7.28.09 @ 12:29PM
Johnny Depp is still awesome after all these years!
Jake Sully | 9.24.10 @ 7:20PM
It's no doubt, men. The last movies with Depp more deep show his talant. He grow up and up.
T1Brit| 3.15.10 @ 11:10AM
I think the truth is more sinister. Depp may be infantile - but he is not that stupid. The reasion Hollywood ( and not just hollywood ) portrays criminals in this way is straight up artistic and economic logic. It is an easy way to create the blend of heroic and dangerous ( sexy ) and the forces of law and order, the establishment in all it's forms is just a big fat sitting duck. All people have a basic sympathy with anybody who breaks rules and causes mayhem. It's the child in us they are pandering to - because they know that it sells.
And it is a whole lot simpler to use this tried and tested formula than risk something closer to the truth. It is corporate cowardice and greed in Hollywood that flogs this substandard crap. Depp is just walking the company line. Regardless of the effect it has on public morals in the long term.
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