At least he thought it was worth a mention. When
Christopher Orr reviewed J. J. Abrams's new Star
Trek movie in the New Republic online, he must have
thought it incumbent on him to acknowledge in passing that, as he
put it, "the script (by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman) may be
the most preposterous since Lex Luthor decided to take over the
world by way of kryptonic real estate: This is a film with,
literally, a black hole where its plot should be." Not that
there's anything wrong with that, apparently, since he mostly
liked the film. Oh, and don't worry about literally
disappearing into that black hole either, by the way. He's only
alluding to the film's way cool representation of a
black hole -- which, as it painstakingly explains, causes a mixup
in space-time that sets what plot there is in motion.
Most critics these days appear to be of the opinion of
Kevin Maher in the Times of London, who
explained to that paper's readers the economics of Hollywood
franchises like "Star Trek" by sniffily insisting that "plot is
highly overrated." But it seems to me that plot isn't rated at
all -- otherwise the critics who raved about the new Star
Trek would not have thought of the plot as even more of a
dispensable item than did Christopher Orr. What he and most
contemporary critics seem to like best about a movie is not that
it offers a ripping yarn but what they would call its
intertextuality. "Abrams keeps things moving at a lively clip,"
Mr. Orr writes approvingly, "tossing in elements borrowed from
The Empire Strikes Back, The Wrath of Khan, and even
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory." Ah, yes, that's
the stuff. Who in the black holes of today's movie palaces needs
plot or plausibility when you've got the opportunity to pass the
time ticking off the allusions to other movies that the
film-makers have been thoughtful and clever enough to insert for
your benefit?
That plus the spectacular computer-generated imagery ought to be
enough for anyone, I guess. Anyway, it will have to be, as the
film has virtually nothing else to offer, unless you count
talented impersonations by young actors of the now-old actors who
originated their roles back in the 1960s and the occasional bit
of snappy dialogue or in-joke. When Spock (Zachary Quinto) sees
his home planet annihilated, for example, he meditatively
observes: "I am now a member of an endangered species." Or when,
on his departure for a dangerous mission, he tells the comely
Uhura (Zoë Saldana), "I will be back," and she replies
coquettishly, "You had better be; I will be monitoring your
frequency." I'd like to think that it's also an in-joke when
George, the first Captain Kirk (Chris Hemsworth), asks some
Romulan aggressors: "What gives you the right to attack a federal
ship?" or when the terrifyingly vengeful Romulan leader (Eric
Bana) later pops up on the communications screen of the
Enterprise and says to Captain Pike (Bruce Greenwood):
"Hi, Christopher, I'm Nero." But I'm not sure it is.
I don't know. Perhaps I am too hard on Star Trek's
plotlessness. As with so many other movies I have seen lately, I
occasionally found myself thinking that I ought to give the thing
the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps the plot does make
sense to those with a thorough grounding in Einsteinian
relativity and the physics of time travel, such as they are. To
me it is all just a lot of mumbo-jumbo, dragged in by the ears to
allow the movie to cut out those always-awkward corners of
sequence and causation and provide an excuse instantly to make
happen anything it needs to happen that has a promising visual
element -- say, the pursuit of the young Captain James Kirk
(Chris Pine), son of George, across the frozen wastes of an ice
planet by a giant, crab-like monster until he meets the older
self of Spock (played by Leonard Nimoy, of all people), the man
who marooned him there, from whom he learns his Destiny. How's
that for intertextuality?
Old Spock is there to rescue him (with a torch!) because he comes
from an alternative reality. Or something. And the narrative
freedom conferred by this fantastical physics also helps, of
course, to make the random events of this movie dovetail with the
by-now well-established Star Trek mythology as developed
out of the 1960s TV show through the ten previous movies and I
don't know what further incarnations of the same characters. This
is the one bit of storytelling that Trekkies are supposed to care
about, so a liberal provision of alternate universes must
obviously come in handy. Thus we are given to understand that the
opening sequence in which Kirk's father is vaporized in a
kamikaze attack on the Romulan mothership just as he, Kirk
junior, is being born in an escape pod only happened in
one version of reality and that, somewhere out there,
there is -- waiting to be found in a subsequent episode, perhaps
-- another reality in which the elder Kirk proudly survives to
watch his son graduate from the Starfleet Academy.
I have not so far seen anyone object that it is not only the plot
but the emotional mainspring of the action which is affected by
this multiplicity of worlds, available seemingly at will to the
characters as well as to the film-makers. Thus Captain Nero -- "a
particularly troubled Romulan," as Old Spock sagely observes to
young Kirk -- is supposed throughout to be mad for revenge
against Young Spock because Old Spock didn't do enough to save
the Romulan home planet from destruction some years before --
though he did all he could -- even though we are also given to
understand that, in another reality, the planet was not destroyed
at all. Nero is apparently at liberty to pick and choose between
these two versions of events, and the fact that he chooses the
one which requires -- albeit only in his own twisted mind --
taking his revenge on Spock by destroying the Vulcan home planet
thus seems merely arbitrary -- as, of course, does that
destruction itself. No wonder those Vulcans are supposed to have
no emotions!
It's another manifestation of the way in which, in the era of the
cartoon movie, both film-makers and audience both suppose that
nothing needs to accounted for as if it were an event in the real
world. Fantasy means never having to worry about motivation
or consequence. Yet motivation and consequence are so
much a part of what audiences throughout history have
worried about, and in particular have gone to the movies to have
presented to them in carefully worked-out fashion, that you've
got to wonder what has changed in our culture to make these
things matters of such unimportance as they are today. Partly it
must be simply because we have grown so accustomed to fantasy
that we have forgotten there can be any other kind of movie. But
also, it's a mere matter of the kind of self-indulgence that
fantasy was invented to appeal to.
Only consider. The young Kirk is a hell-raising bad boy who first
appears as a young teenager (played by Jimmy Bennett) in a
vintage car stolen from his step-father, which he proceeds to
drive off a cliff. Neither then nor subsequently does he appear
to have any good habits of diligence or application nor does he
ever crack a book. Yet he becomes in record time at the Starfleet
Academy Spock's intellectual equal and, without effort but with
his natural insubordination and impertinence intact, is
transformed in a twinkling into a Starfleet captain and a hero to
young and old alike. You've got to suspect that not worrying too
much about how their hero got to this position of honor and
eminence is obviously a necessity to the kind of people who are
being invited to identify themselves with him.
In the same way, Kirk is identified for us as a hero by his
refusal to "believe," as he puts it, in "no-win scenarios" --
and, lo, in this movie's scenarios he always wins! Spock, a
careful calculator of the "logic" of things, may reckon that
there is only 4.3 per cent chance of success when the two of them
go on their own to take over and destroy the Romulan mother ship,
but his doubts are airily dismissed by the ever-confident James
T. Kirk. "Trust me!" he says. And we, too, have no choice but to
trust him in his comic-book perfection. Here, as in its provision
of alternate realities, the fantasy must banish failure,
suffering (or more than the momentary kind) and hardship as its
first order of business. But only those who don't think plot,
that essential tether to the real world, is over-rated are likely
to care.
About the Author
James Bowman, our movie and culture critic, is a resident scholar at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. He is the author of Honor: A History and Media Madness: The Corruption of Our Political Culture, both published by Encounter Books.
Your review describes the problems with the movie completely.
Two of the strengths of the original series were the tight
coherent plots and the painstaking efforts made to remain
somewhat consistent with known science and the laws of physics.
This movie throws those strengths in the trash. I can still
suspend belief to a point, but ultimately the movie asked to much
of me when it wanted me to believe a 23 year old cadet, no matter
how heroic and talented, would be put in command of the "Fleet's
premier starship."
Thanks for putting it so clearly.
cdc| 6.1.09 @ 8:40AM
all that aside the movie was quite entertaining
Tim| 6.1.09 @ 8:46AM
I was eager to see the movie because I thought (based upon
reviews elsewhere) that it recaptured that sense of wonder that
the original did. Perhaps they were not up to the task, perhaps,
we, and the world are a lot older and jaded. In either event,
there were good moments here and there but it lacked a coherent
thread. It felt like watching fifteen or twenty big budget
webisodes.
It also continued the disgraceful trend of portraying the future
as a place reserved for hot twenty somethings. It could have been
a reboot of Friends.
Tim| 6.1.09 @ 8:47AM
And why the Heck does the antimatter engine room look like the
Sam Adams Brewery?
Kinley Ardal| 6.1.09 @ 8:52AM
The engine room looks like a brewery because Starfleet is
populated by college kids who need the alcohol in deep space,
what with short skirts and green women, add the booze and you've
got college campus in space!
The movie was vastly disappointing to me, turning Kirk into an
irreverent punk rather than a hard-working defy-the-odds hero.
I'm apalled at Abrams' vision of Trek, although I thought the
ship looked pretty nice.
Anastasia Mather| 6.1.09 @ 9:09AM
Well, contrary to all the sniffers and toffs here, I thought it
was a rip roaring good time. Was some of it silly and impossible?
Yes, but who cares? I'm not even sure I saw the same movie as you
did.
What I saw was the development of characters who eventually would
be best friends forever, and how they started to get that way.
Geez, lighten up, people! You should have remarked about how
little bad language and other bad things there were in there. I
didn't have to cringe in a corner every other second.
Tony in Central PA| 6.1.09 @ 9:28AM
I took my nephew to see this a couple of weeks ago. The plot was
incoherent because of the various alternate universe invocations.
I guess this can be considered an allowable Mulligan for salami
science fiction. Like many mass audience movies nowadays, its a
headache - inducing, video game thrill ride. The acting was
generally decent and the special effects were, of course, very
special. The biggest black hole in the film was the absence of
any pretense of reality not so much about physics, but human
nature.
It can be argued that our entertainment as well as our culture
has become increasingly irrational in the past few decades. Its
too bad this film didn't have a real Vulcan for a producer.
Dustoff| 6.1.09 @ 9:35AM
Ahhhhhh, what the heck. It was just a fun movie to watch.
Vector| 6.1.09 @ 10:03AM
*spoiler alert*
Yeah, Spock can go back in time, at will, in a broken down
Klingon ship to save two whales, but can't do it with a ship far
more sophisticated to save his own world?!
Kirk getting promoted from a Naval academy cadet to the Captain
of the Nimitz Air Craft Carrier that he wasn't even assigned to?
The Captain of the Nimitz making a cadet "1st Officer" in the
time of war, what happened to the other 100 officers on board
that ship and to the chain of command?
Yes, lots of action but the plot was so silly it made the movie
ridiculous in the extreme. I mean couldn't they come up with
something more believable. Like cadets going on an adventure like
a Han Solo without trying to get him in the Captain seat as soon
as possible. So what if they had to make 2-3 movies to make him
the Captain, it would have been more fun and more believable.
Kevin Killion| 6.1.09 @ 10:06AM
Excellent dissection of this entertaining but very incoherent
movie. The plot of "Star Trek", such as it is, is precisely the
kind of mess that we all feared would come from the director who
also extruded the similarly incoherent "Lost". As this review
said, "It's another manifestation of the way in which, in the era
of the cartoon movie, both film-makers and audience both suppose
that nothing needs to accounted for as if it were an event in the
real world. Fantasy means never having to worry about motivation
or consequence. "
erp| 6.1.09 @ 10:32AM
It's fantasy, not
a documentary on space/time travel.
Indeed it was a decent film for entertainments sake, but the plot
was truly incomprehensible and nonsensical. The strength of the
original series (TOS) was it's coherence with both human nature
and with laws of nature, neither of which this film gives any
acknowledgment of.
Desmond| 6.1.09 @ 11:59AM
The film certainly has its positive and negative attributes, but
if you haven't seen it yet, I wouldn't form my opinion from this
review, which is a dog's breakfast of misremembered quotations,
incomprehensible criticisms (he's surprised to see Leonard Nimoy
as Spock? Who does he think should play Spock? Mary Tyler
Moore?), and a thorough unfamiliarity with one of science
fiction's hoariest tropes (time travel, which was old when Mark
Twain used it).
Ed| 6.1.09 @ 12:46PM
I also have some doubts about plot of the movie. In some of the
later Star Trek TV series, there was a Federation "Time Police"
from the 28th and a Half Century that was supposed to keep things
like Vulcan's destruction from happening. Where are they?
There is not a Navy in the world that would promote a Midshipman
to Captain after a few days of combat. Ensign perhaps, but not
Captain. Star Trek always has been a liberal's fantasy about how
to run a military.
Also, over a time span of four decades, none of the writers have
ever had a clue about stealth technology, IR optics, and
electronic warfare.
If you want to see how military Sci-Fi should be done, try David
Weber or David Drake.
Siegfried X| 6.1.09 @ 12:55PM
It is the curse of the "odd". Every odd-numbered star trek movie
stunk.
I agree about the youth problem. Maybe the next movie will be the
prequel to the prequel where the 6 year old Kirk, Spock, and crew
are put in command of the Enterprise and fly their first mission.
Tim| 6.1.09 @ 2:13PM
Star Trek: Babies
Follow the original adventures of the crew at Enterprise
pre-school....
frankg| 6.1.09 @ 2:24PM
Of course!
Star Trek muppet babies!
Run with that, Siegfried.
Ready a script for my lunch with the big guys tomorrow.
HarryBeard| 6.1.09 @ 2:36PM
All of this misses the point of this movie:
By throwing all of the original characters into an alternative
universe and restarting the whole franchise, they have a free
hand to take anywhere they want. They no longer have to spend
countless hours trying to reconcile every little plot twist to
the "canon". They can make the butterfly effect do whatever they
please and maybe even make a few decent sequels (one can only
hope).
Siegfried X| 6.1.09 @ 3:27PM
I am not talking about canon. In no universe does it make sense
to give command of the largest ship in the fleet to someone who
just graduated from the academy. Regardless of the cadet's raw
talent, he has no experience. There are thousands of more
qualified officers. The cadet will be better off in the long term
by having time to practice commanding squads and smaller ships,
and by stints in various specialties like engineering.
Dan Frick| 6.1.09 @ 6:26PM
How come it never occured to the Romulans to rumble over to
Romula and tell they that the planet will be cooked in 200 years.
Unless thet sent to message to Spock on Monday instead of
Thursday.
Siegfried X| 6.1.09 @ 7:52PM
That's the problem with time travel, too many paradoxes.
Ultimately though as this commentary says, the plot is just too
sloppy. It's amazing that they spend tens of millions of dollars
on a movie, yet the script has more holes than a screen door.
I've seen it happen so many times.
I guess this is supposed to be a lite summer movie to see, then
forget, not think about.
Bohred| 6.1.09 @ 8:54PM
If nothing else, the plot device of time travel was internally
consistent.
Here it is; Big black hole in Original Star Trek timeline is
going to eat the planet Romulus. The Vulcans come up with a black
hole eating red pill, and build a super fast ship to send their
elderly (129??) scientest Mr. Spock to put the pill down the
hole's gullet first. He fails, Nero has a hissy, and the
resulting chase puts them both into the black hole's space/time
vortex and they travel to the past. When they show up in the past
they change the timeline. So it is not a Alternate Universe, it's
a new Timeline. The old timeline is gone forever, actually never
existed. Paradox, circular, tautological, but classic time travel
stuff. Doesn't explain Capt. Pike making Kirk first officer
though.
Scott Taylor| 6.1.09 @ 9:47PM
I'm on the side of the ones who enjoyed this flick, though it
certainly had it's problems. But as an Iowan, I'd love to know
how that enormous cliff got here. It certainly doesn't exist
today. That's almost as bad as that episode of Happy Days when
Fonzie survives a plane crash in the mountains of... Wisconsin?
Bill Vallely| 6.1.09 @ 11:06PM
Did John consider the possibility that, no kidding, the story
made perfect sense, and he's just too lazy to keep up?
Solo| 6.2.09 @ 8:57AM
Oh! My! Gawd!
Reading some of these comments is like the ultimate nightmare
scenario of stumbling into a Trekkie Convention and being unable
to find the exit!
"Time Paradox"? "IR optics"? Discussions about inappropriate
Field promotions????
IT'S A FREAKIN MOVIE!
Come on, guys! Have any of you ever been on a real date?
Have you ever even kissed a girl?
*Looks down while brushing foot on carpet*
It's not real! It's just a movie!
~Apologies to the writing staff of SNL~
Oh..and no offense. I'm just kiddin' around!
LOL!
Tim| 6.2.09 @ 10:14AM
Baby Kirk: Goo! Pa poopy na!
Baby Khan: Gaa! eh poopy poopy waa!
Baby Kirk: KHAAAAAAN!
Vietnam Vet in Communist MA| 6.2.09 @ 1:40PM
I finally saw the movie, while unfortunately sleeping through
part of it. However, my subconscious picked up something subtle
-- the theme at the end of the movie went "....... where no one
dares to go". Wasn't the original theme ".... where no man dares
to go..."? Anyone else hear this or was I still asleep?
Siegfried X| 6.2.09 @ 2:02PM
Yes, the star trek family changed "no man dares" to "no one
dares" many years and movies ago. I don't know exactly when.
Siegfried X| 6.2.09 @ 2:07PM
This movie is just one example of the lack of quality which is
typical in 2009 America. Buy something at a store and it likely
will be dead on arrival, break within a month after purchase, or
be so poorly designed that all units of that type never really
work. Buy some sort of service or document and it is liable to be
mostly computer generated, with not enough human effort.
Felix| 6.2.09 @ 5:30PM
The greatest false god worshiped in Hollywood these days is Deus
ex Machina.
Tom Woolard| 6.11.09 @ 10:40PM
Great movie. Probably the best ever Star Trek movie, the others
were too mired down with baggage from the show. I believe it's
easily the highest grossing as well. As for the old farts that
can't get into it, nobody cares.
Herb Wheelock| 6.11.09 @ 10:46PM
Nobody ever said "no man dares". The line was "to boldly go where
no man has gone before". The concept of "man" as mankind was lost
on some of the pricklier types out there in the '80s, so it was
changed to "where no ONE has gone before" by that bald guy on the
Love Boat version of Star Trek (Next Gen.).
mazzuchelli| 7.1.09 @ 5:36PM
I got a huge kick out of the yawning chasm in the middle of a
flat Iowa. Driving the vintage 'Vette into said chasm wasn't near
as amusing. There was also a backdrop of a towering mountain
range in Iowa that we found mystifying and of some concern.
Folks, forget all those Tuscan-esque, Grant Wood landscapes.
Reject Hollywood's overwrought embellishments.The geography here
is flat and forbidding. The roads are ill-paved. The land is
trampled. When you cross the border into Iowa, don't look left,
and don't look right. Just stay on I-80, and keep on driving. In
the meantime, I'm taking the dog to Playland Park this afternoon
to walk across the Bob Kerry pedestrian bridge over the Mighty
Mo. Regrettable name but beautiful structure.
Paul D| 6.1.09 @ 8:26AM
Your review describes the problems with the movie completely.
Two of the strengths of the original series were the tight coherent plots and the painstaking efforts made to remain somewhat consistent with known science and the laws of physics.
This movie throws those strengths in the trash. I can still suspend belief to a point, but ultimately the movie asked to much of me when it wanted me to believe a 23 year old cadet, no matter how heroic and talented, would be put in command of the "Fleet's premier starship."
Thanks for putting it so clearly.
cdc| 6.1.09 @ 8:40AM
all that aside the movie was quite entertaining
Tim| 6.1.09 @ 8:46AM
I was eager to see the movie because I thought (based upon reviews elsewhere) that it recaptured that sense of wonder that the original did. Perhaps they were not up to the task, perhaps, we, and the world are a lot older and jaded. In either event, there were good moments here and there but it lacked a coherent thread. It felt like watching fifteen or twenty big budget webisodes.
It also continued the disgraceful trend of portraying the future as a place reserved for hot twenty somethings. It could have been a reboot of Friends.
Tim| 6.1.09 @ 8:47AM
And why the Heck does the antimatter engine room look like the Sam Adams Brewery?
Kinley Ardal| 6.1.09 @ 8:52AM
The engine room looks like a brewery because Starfleet is populated by college kids who need the alcohol in deep space, what with short skirts and green women, add the booze and you've got college campus in space!
The movie was vastly disappointing to me, turning Kirk into an irreverent punk rather than a hard-working defy-the-odds hero. I'm apalled at Abrams' vision of Trek, although I thought the ship looked pretty nice.
Anastasia Mather| 6.1.09 @ 9:09AM
Well, contrary to all the sniffers and toffs here, I thought it was a rip roaring good time. Was some of it silly and impossible? Yes, but who cares? I'm not even sure I saw the same movie as you did.
What I saw was the development of characters who eventually would be best friends forever, and how they started to get that way.
Geez, lighten up, people! You should have remarked about how little bad language and other bad things there were in there. I didn't have to cringe in a corner every other second.
Tony in Central PA| 6.1.09 @ 9:28AM
I took my nephew to see this a couple of weeks ago. The plot was incoherent because of the various alternate universe invocations. I guess this can be considered an allowable Mulligan for salami science fiction. Like many mass audience movies nowadays, its a headache - inducing, video game thrill ride. The acting was generally decent and the special effects were, of course, very special. The biggest black hole in the film was the absence of any pretense of reality not so much about physics, but human nature.
It can be argued that our entertainment as well as our culture has become increasingly irrational in the past few decades. Its too bad this film didn't have a real Vulcan for a producer.
Dustoff| 6.1.09 @ 9:35AM
Ahhhhhh, what the heck. It was just a fun movie to watch.
Vector| 6.1.09 @ 10:03AM
*spoiler alert*
Yeah, Spock can go back in time, at will, in a broken down Klingon ship to save two whales, but can't do it with a ship far more sophisticated to save his own world?!
Kirk getting promoted from a Naval academy cadet to the Captain of the Nimitz Air Craft Carrier that he wasn't even assigned to?
The Captain of the Nimitz making a cadet "1st Officer" in the time of war, what happened to the other 100 officers on board that ship and to the chain of command?
Yes, lots of action but the plot was so silly it made the movie ridiculous in the extreme. I mean couldn't they come up with something more believable. Like cadets going on an adventure like a Han Solo without trying to get him in the Captain seat as soon as possible. So what if they had to make 2-3 movies to make him the Captain, it would have been more fun and more believable.
Kevin Killion| 6.1.09 @ 10:06AM
Excellent dissection of this entertaining but very incoherent movie. The plot of "Star Trek", such as it is, is precisely the kind of mess that we all feared would come from the director who also extruded the similarly incoherent "Lost". As this review said, "It's another manifestation of the way in which, in the era of the cartoon movie, both film-makers and audience both suppose that nothing needs to accounted for as if it were an event in the real world. Fantasy means never having to worry about motivation or consequence. "
erp| 6.1.09 @ 10:32AM
It's fantasy, not a documentary on space/time travel.
theblackcommenter| 6.1.09 @ 10:49AM
Indeed it was a decent film for entertainments sake, but the plot was truly incomprehensible and nonsensical. The strength of the original series (TOS) was it's coherence with both human nature and with laws of nature, neither of which this film gives any acknowledgment of.
Desmond| 6.1.09 @ 11:59AM
The film certainly has its positive and negative attributes, but if you haven't seen it yet, I wouldn't form my opinion from this review, which is a dog's breakfast of misremembered quotations, incomprehensible criticisms (he's surprised to see Leonard Nimoy as Spock? Who does he think should play Spock? Mary Tyler Moore?), and a thorough unfamiliarity with one of science fiction's hoariest tropes (time travel, which was old when Mark Twain used it).
Ed| 6.1.09 @ 12:46PM
I also have some doubts about plot of the movie. In some of the later Star Trek TV series, there was a Federation "Time Police" from the 28th and a Half Century that was supposed to keep things like Vulcan's destruction from happening. Where are they?
There is not a Navy in the world that would promote a Midshipman to Captain after a few days of combat. Ensign perhaps, but not Captain. Star Trek always has been a liberal's fantasy about how to run a military.
Also, over a time span of four decades, none of the writers have ever had a clue about stealth technology, IR optics, and electronic warfare.
If you want to see how military Sci-Fi should be done, try David Weber or David Drake.
Siegfried X| 6.1.09 @ 12:55PM
It is the curse of the "odd". Every odd-numbered star trek movie stunk.
I agree about the youth problem. Maybe the next movie will be the prequel to the prequel where the 6 year old Kirk, Spock, and crew are put in command of the Enterprise and fly their first mission.
Tim| 6.1.09 @ 2:13PM
Star Trek: Babies
Follow the original adventures of the crew at Enterprise pre-school....
frankg| 6.1.09 @ 2:24PM
Of course!
Star Trek muppet babies!
Run with that, Siegfried.
Ready a script for my lunch with the big guys tomorrow.
HarryBeard| 6.1.09 @ 2:36PM
All of this misses the point of this movie:
By throwing all of the original characters into an alternative universe and restarting the whole franchise, they have a free hand to take anywhere they want. They no longer have to spend countless hours trying to reconcile every little plot twist to the "canon". They can make the butterfly effect do whatever they please and maybe even make a few decent sequels (one can only hope).
Siegfried X| 6.1.09 @ 3:27PM
I am not talking about canon. In no universe does it make sense to give command of the largest ship in the fleet to someone who just graduated from the academy. Regardless of the cadet's raw talent, he has no experience. There are thousands of more qualified officers. The cadet will be better off in the long term by having time to practice commanding squads and smaller ships, and by stints in various specialties like engineering.
Dan Frick| 6.1.09 @ 6:26PM
How come it never occured to the Romulans to rumble over to Romula and tell they that the planet will be cooked in 200 years. Unless thet sent to message to Spock on Monday instead of Thursday.
Siegfried X| 6.1.09 @ 7:52PM
That's the problem with time travel, too many paradoxes.
Ultimately though as this commentary says, the plot is just too sloppy. It's amazing that they spend tens of millions of dollars on a movie, yet the script has more holes than a screen door. I've seen it happen so many times.
I guess this is supposed to be a lite summer movie to see, then forget, not think about.
Bohred| 6.1.09 @ 8:54PM
If nothing else, the plot device of time travel was internally consistent.
Here it is; Big black hole in Original Star Trek timeline is going to eat the planet Romulus. The Vulcans come up with a black hole eating red pill, and build a super fast ship to send their elderly (129??) scientest Mr. Spock to put the pill down the hole's gullet first. He fails, Nero has a hissy, and the resulting chase puts them both into the black hole's space/time vortex and they travel to the past. When they show up in the past they change the timeline. So it is not a Alternate Universe, it's a new Timeline. The old timeline is gone forever, actually never existed. Paradox, circular, tautological, but classic time travel stuff. Doesn't explain Capt. Pike making Kirk first officer though.
Scott Taylor| 6.1.09 @ 9:47PM
I'm on the side of the ones who enjoyed this flick, though it certainly had it's problems. But as an Iowan, I'd love to know how that enormous cliff got here. It certainly doesn't exist today. That's almost as bad as that episode of Happy Days when Fonzie survives a plane crash in the mountains of... Wisconsin?
Bill Vallely| 6.1.09 @ 11:06PM
Did John consider the possibility that, no kidding, the story made perfect sense, and he's just too lazy to keep up?
Solo| 6.2.09 @ 8:57AM
Oh! My! Gawd!
Reading some of these comments is like the ultimate nightmare scenario of stumbling into a Trekkie Convention and being unable to find the exit!
"Time Paradox"? "IR optics"? Discussions about inappropriate Field promotions????
IT'S A FREAKIN MOVIE!
Come on, guys! Have any of you ever been on a real date?
Have you ever even kissed a girl?
*Looks down while brushing foot on carpet*
It's not real! It's just a movie!
~Apologies to the writing staff of SNL~
Oh..and no offense. I'm just kiddin' around!
LOL!
Tim| 6.2.09 @ 10:14AM
Baby Kirk: Goo! Pa poopy na!
Baby Khan: Gaa! eh poopy poopy waa!
Baby Kirk: KHAAAAAAN!
Vietnam Vet in Communist MA| 6.2.09 @ 1:40PM
I finally saw the movie, while unfortunately sleeping through part of it. However, my subconscious picked up something subtle -- the theme at the end of the movie went "....... where no one dares to go". Wasn't the original theme ".... where no man dares to go..."? Anyone else hear this or was I still asleep?
Siegfried X| 6.2.09 @ 2:02PM
Yes, the star trek family changed "no man dares" to "no one dares" many years and movies ago. I don't know exactly when.
Siegfried X| 6.2.09 @ 2:07PM
This movie is just one example of the lack of quality which is typical in 2009 America. Buy something at a store and it likely will be dead on arrival, break within a month after purchase, or be so poorly designed that all units of that type never really work. Buy some sort of service or document and it is liable to be mostly computer generated, with not enough human effort.
Felix| 6.2.09 @ 5:30PM
The greatest false god worshiped in Hollywood these days is Deus ex Machina.
Tom Woolard| 6.11.09 @ 10:40PM
Great movie. Probably the best ever Star Trek movie, the others were too mired down with baggage from the show. I believe it's easily the highest grossing as well. As for the old farts that can't get into it, nobody cares.
Herb Wheelock| 6.11.09 @ 10:46PM
Nobody ever said "no man dares". The line was "to boldly go where no man has gone before". The concept of "man" as mankind was lost on some of the pricklier types out there in the '80s, so it was changed to "where no ONE has gone before" by that bald guy on the Love Boat version of Star Trek (Next Gen.).
mazzuchelli| 7.1.09 @ 5:36PM
I got a huge kick out of the yawning chasm in the middle of a flat Iowa. Driving the vintage 'Vette into said chasm wasn't near as amusing. There was also a backdrop of a towering mountain range in Iowa that we found mystifying and of some concern. Folks, forget all those Tuscan-esque, Grant Wood landscapes. Reject Hollywood's overwrought embellishments.The geography here is flat and forbidding. The roads are ill-paved. The land is trampled. When you cross the border into Iowa, don't look left, and don't look right. Just stay on I-80, and keep on driving. In the meantime, I'm taking the dog to Playland Park this afternoon to walk across the Bob Kerry pedestrian bridge over the Mighty Mo. Regrettable name but beautiful structure.
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Rosie| 1.17.10 @ 6:34AM
No, you were not being too hard on the plot of STAR TREK. It sucked. Period. Not even the altered timeline scenario could hide the plot holes.