Corporate America is giving Democrats cover to impose the
Obama-Waxman-Markey national energy tax.
Communist Godfather Vladimir Lenin is alleged to have famously
said, "The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will
hang them."
Nowhere is that observation more relevant than in the sorry
spectacle taking place in Congress as corporations, in exchange
for short-term government handouts, fall over themselves to
endorse a carbon dioxide regulation bill that will impose a
crushing energy tax on the American people.
Sponsored by Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), chairman of the House
Energy and Commerce Committee, and Rep. Edward Markey (D-MA), the
"cap-and-trade" legislation, called the American Clean Energy and
Security Act, would put a cost on carbon dioxide by imposing a
cap on greenhouse gas emissions. On May 22, the committee
approved the legislation, which will be referred to the House
Ways and Means Committee and other committees for consideration.
The bill would establish a market in which regulated industries,
such as the electric power and petrochemical sectors, would buy
and sell allowances in an auction market. As the cap is reduced
each year, companies that emit too much carbon dioxide would have
to buy an ever-decreasing number of permits from "clean"
companies with extra emissions credits.
Besides being complex, the Waxman-Markey bill would be enormously
expensive for both companies and workers. A recent Heritage
Foundation study estimated it would destroy over 1.1 million
jobs, hike electricity rates 90 percent, and reduce the U.S.
gross domestic product by nearly $10 trillion over the next 25
years.
That is why it is inexplicable that corporations, some of which
used to be against such onerous environmental measures, are
jumping on the "Green" bandwagon.
As is too often the case, the reason is that companies are
selling out their long-term interests for short-term financial
gain -- or at least what they perceive to be short-term gain.
Instead of the companies having to buy all of their emissions
permits, the government will give most of them away provided the
recipient companies spend billions of dollars on supposedly
cleaner technologies. In other words, it is a multi-billion
dollar Green Bailout.
The list of corporate sellouts reads like a Who's-Who of the
Fortune 500: General Motors, Ford Motor Company, General
Electric, PepsiCo, Johnson & Johnson, Alcoa, and Caterpillar.
Wal-Mart has not officially endorsed the Waxman-Markey bill but
is on record as supporting cap-and-trade in principle.
This corporate support was pivotal in reviving a bill that
appeared to be fatally stalled in the House Energy and Commerce
Committee.
In trying to get his bill reported out of the committee, Waxman
ran into stiff opposition from about a dozen Democrats
representing districts dependent on coal or petrochemical
industries. With near-unanimous Republican opposition, Waxman was
forced to make major changes in the bill to lessen the impact on
energy-sensitive industries and woo back wayward Democrats.
The original bill, reflecting President Obama's goals, called for
the government to sell off all 100 percent of the emissions
credits. The idea was to raise $646 billion over ten years to
help pay for Obama's massive expansion of government-run health
care. The bill set a goal to cut carbon emissions 20 percent by
2020. However, several Democrats balked at a measure they feared
would cost their districts jobs. These included Rick Boucher
(D-VA), Gene Green (D-TX), and Charlie Gonzalez (D-TX).
The revised plan would cut greenhouse gas emissions 17 percent by
2020. The most dramatic change, though, is in the allocation of
credits. It would give away 85 percent of the emissions credits
for free. That includes 35 percent for the electricity sector, 9
percent for natural gas companies, 3 percent for the auto
industry, and 2 percent for oil refiners. All of the free credits
will be phased out by 2025. The 15 percent of permits that will
be auctioned off is expected to generate $12 billion in 2012, the
first year the program could start working.
Free credits for the refiners was the price for winning the
support of Texas Democrats Gonzalez and Green. John Dingell was
won over because the auto industry's share of the permits is
supposed to total $12 billion to $15 billion over the first six
years of the trading program. The Alliance of Automobile
Manufacturers praised the allocation of credits as an
"encouraging" development.
However, the most dramatic reversal of position came from the
utility industry. Given that half the nation's electricity is
generated by coal, utility companies stand to get hit especially
hard by a punitive program to reduce fossil fuel use. Thus, the
industry has always been strongly opposed to any such measure.
Not anymore. The utilities are estimated to get $21 billion in
free credits in 2012. While not yet giving a full endorsement,
the Edison Electric Institute (EEI), the utility trade
association, says it is committed to seeing the bill passed. Said
Jim Owen, EEI's media-relations director, "There are probably
some things that different people want to see tweaked in the
legislation, but…we would like to see it get into the end zone."
Individual power companies are publicly endorsing the Waxman
bill. On May 19, David Crane, CEO of NRG Energy, wrote a letter
to Waxman praising his "admirable" leadership on the issue and
said NRG "will do what we can to support you and your colleagues
in advancing your critically important bill."
This was all the cover needed for coal-state Democrats to end
their opposition to the bill. Rep. Boucher, who led the push for
the allocation of credits to the utility companies, said that
while he still has "remaining concerns," he is now "committed in
the full committee to be supportive of this bill, to encourage
others to be supportive."
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Bud| 5.26.09 @ 7:11AM
The core of the article is summed in one quote: "Markey says that
'CEOs are not about to preside over the destruction of their
business' because they believe they can still make money in the
'new clean-energy future'."
This reads like a quote from novel about a mafia don, 'making
someone an offer they can't refuse'. Thus the true face of
today's U.S. government is revealed.
So the choice presented to business is (a) destruction or (b)
live with paper profits made possible by government transfer
payments in the form of tax credits, allowances, subsidies, etc.
One thing about those transfer payments - there is a presumption
that there will be some folks around doing productive in the open
economy that can be expropriated to provide the substance of the
transfer payments.
Don't bet the rent on that proposition.
Bram| 5.26.09 @ 7:42AM
The executives don't really care about the horrendous effects of
cap and trade. They are just working through their lobbyists to
ensure they can pass on all the costs to their customers. Look
for big rates hikes coming fast – and if you complain, you
obviously want to destroy the Earth.
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 7:45AM
If 'Dave Mathews' really believes that carbon dioxide is
'pollution' as he would like us to think,then he needs to man up
and set an example for the rest of us by doing the intellectually
honest thing...sell his car and kill himself....at least we will
all be spared any further 'pollution' from HIM.
JP| 5.26.09 @ 7:53AM
Of course nothing is free, and those promised subsidies must come
from somewhere. But where? Two weeks ago OMB said that the US
government now is borrowing 46 cents for every dollar its spends;
the US is close to losing its triple A credit rating; and it
appears the President intends to run trillin dollar defecits in
prepituity.
Late last week there began a large sell-off of dollars in the
foreign exchange markets.
Whether the EPA institutes a massive carbon tax, or if Congress
imposes Cap and Trade; the end result will an ever increasing cut
into the GDP, at a time when the GDP has lost some $2 trillion.
That is, the GDP this year and next is forecasted to be around
$11 trillion. The federal goverment will consume over $4 trillion
of that.
Whether the money is collected by the IRS, state taxing
authorities, or energy companies, a substantial amount of our
national wealth will be confiscated, and we haven't even talked
about Universal Health Care.
The damage done will be obvious. Private wealth will either go
underground, go overseas, or seek safer harbours. The dollar will
fall, inflation and interest rates go up, and after a brief
stimulus provided surge in jobs, another recession will begin
-probably around 2011-2012.
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 7:55AM
"Dave Mathews" is like that online post modern phrase
generator...utterly incapable of saying anything
constructive...only hate filled ad hominens again and
again.....but if anybody is stupid here it is HE....not bright
enough to recognize that he himself is a 'pollutor' by his very
own standards....he wants to limit everyone's carbon dioxide
output but his own.
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 8:02AM
You see?...Davey can't even address his own intellectual
dishonesty vis a vis his own carbon dioxide production....all he
can do is hurl invective at those who draw attention to the fact
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 8:07AM
Actually my fascination is not with suicide...it is with
intellectual dishonesty....those who preach 'do as I say and not
as I do'....just pointing out Davey's expectation that the rest
of us should have to live under rules that Davey's ilk formulate
while exempting themselves from those rules.
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 8:16AM
Actually I am pro life...which means that I believe I should
continue breathing and exhaling carbon dixoide...to feed plants
that require it to produce the oxygen I inhale..,Davey wouldn't
recognize the truth if it pointed out his own dishonesty
regarding his own 'pollution' every time he exhales...or at least
that is what he professes to believe
Jamie| 5.26.09 @ 8:18AM
You can add the Fortune 500 company Entergy Corporation (NYSE:
ETR) to the list too. They claim its customers will not be
greatly impacted by cap and trade because the company primarily
uses nuclear energy and natural gas to power their generators;
with only a minority utilizing coal.
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 8:23AM
What we notice is that Davey condemns 'pollution' but by his own
definition,he keeps polluting the air himself....I guess he
simply lacks the requisite self awareness to notice the inherent
contradiction....too busy ginning up his next spew I guess
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 8:31AM
What Davey fails to notice is that my use of the term 'pollution'
is based on his very own definition of it....carbon dioxide
emission....now he can't even remember how he defines his own
terms....they boy's cheese is beginning to slip right off his
cracker
EA| 5.26.09 @ 8:39AM
It is bad manners and a waste of precious policy discussion time
for certain posters to merely repeat attacks coupled with vapid
and disproven partisan political talking points. So let's get to
the actual science:
1) The planet temperature is flat to cooling; that's not a
conservative opinion, it is a scientific fact.
2) Therefore the Gore/IPCC "global warming" models have been
proven false, because they predicted skyrocketing temperatures
and failed spectacularly to accurately predict the current
climate.
3) Even if Gore global warming theory were true, and the models
accurate, imposing limits on America before imposing them on
China would be totally counter-productive, because China produces
more pollution per unit of production than the United States.
Impose cap-and-trade on America and factories will close and move
to China for a net INCREASE in total planetary pollution.
4) Over time, free-market economies drive down energy used per
unit produced; this is a measurable scientific fact. They do this
in order to reduce waste and fatten profits. Hence those greedy
profits have actually performed a socially and environmentally
useful function. If you really want to see what kind of economic
system trashes the planet, merely take a map of the world and a
red crayon and color in the world’s most polluted ecosystems. You
will find you have colored in the countries that have
historically had the strongest socialist systems (though some
recently rejected socialism and are trying to clean up).
5) It is left as an exercise for the student to predict whether
the crony capitalism of Obama’s national socialism (i.e. fascism)
in which companies devote their energy to kissing political butt
instead of greedily reducing production costs will actually
result in more waste and pollution in the long run (as well
wrecking the employment and financial lives of the working
class).
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 8:40AM
Quod erat demonstrandum...Davey is now hoist on his own
rhetorical petard...unable to be consistent about anything but
regurgitating Alinskyesque pablum at those who point out his own
faulty arguments.....now if you good people I need to go enlarge
my carbon footprint....with the probable likelihood of
reglaciation in our future,the biosphere is going to need all the
carbon dioxide we can produce....and at least I will have the
satisfaction of knowing that by doing so, it may even cause Davey
to stroke out from knowing I am doing so.
Neo| 5.26.09 @ 8:56AM
I always love to hear the "Flat-Earthers" go on and on about CO2
destroying the planet.
The science is not settled .. far from it. We now now that Al
Gore and his VC buddies are in this for the money.
It's the "next big thing" that comes after the S&L rape, and
the "subprime ripoff".
owyheewine| 5.26.09 @ 9:08AM
Face it folks. Corporate CEOs are not about political ideology.
They are about making profit for (hopefully) their shareholders,
and themselves. That's the way it should be in a capitalist
country.
Consumers always get the ultimate bill for any government help
for the economy. Just buck up and work to get conservatives
elected.
Robert Rosencrans| 5.26.09 @ 9:44AM
Why should corporate America care about cap and trade? They won't
pay the costs, at first. This is essentially a 20% or more tax on
the entire American public. Soon after it's implemented, the
economy will tank, leading the Washingtonians to proclaim, "We
need more government." Someone might inform them the concept has
already failed. In one clever strategy though, the implementation
of the act is being postponed until 2012. It's a clever move
designed to help Cobama secure a second term. Will the public be
stupid enough to fall for it? Time will tell.
JimE| 5.26.09 @ 9:50AM
Thank you EA for the restoration of civility, fact, and open
discussion.
In other (failed) National Socialist adventures, corporations
were pressured into joining into the intrusion of government.
Unfortunately it was the consumer that was damaged.
Ultimately, this (Cap & Trade) tax is passed on to the
individual.
All of the impact analysis demonstrate the severe impact on that
individual as well as on our country - and, eventually all
economies.
The analysis on the environmental impact (Greenhouse Gas
Emissions) also demonstrate that the effect from a single country
(even adding in the Kyoto collaboration) is minimal at
best.
Lastly, the question for all is WHY? Al Gore and his ilk are
daily being beaten with scientific research that calls their
conclusion to question.
The intellectual dishonesty here is Incredible!
1) There will be NO reduction in carbon outputs!-See Europe
2) Any tax revenues raised DO NOT go to protecting the planet! It
goes to offer free healthcare to Democrat voting groups!
Markey and Waxman want to confiscate dollars from midwestern coal
burning states so they can dole out dollars to illegal
voters.
Also, to pay for all of the services they are now going bankrupt
to provide. Instead of saying no to spectacular cost increases
they are looking for other sources of revenue.
We in the midwest will pay higher energy bills so they can
provide free healthcare to a new generation of voters. THIS IS A
HORRIBLE LIE TOLD BY DEMOCRATIC SENATORS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
With respect to DoorGunner, I take the liberty of reprinting his
message in a more appropriate forum.
Doorgunner| 5.26.09 @ 8:23AM
Speaking of whacky extremism, David, what's this stuff?
http://www.geocities.com/dmathew1/introwk.html
And how 'bout that crazy letter Sunnyside Church of Christ?
http://www.sunnysidechurchofchrist.com/email/Dave Mathews
so-called missionary trip to Yellowstone.htm
David, who's billy? Did he/she forsake you also? Like God? Like
the folks at The Oil Drum?
Old Texican| 5.26.09 @ 10:20AM
Hi Guys
It seems to me that the large companies' brass are just scared to
death to make waves in this particular political climate.
They have, and will, be villified for whatever they do.
Myy best guess is that they are quietly hoping and praying that
the political "climate" will reverse itself very quickly as more
and more Americans wake up to the trainwreck they have voted
themselves.
Stop and think about it a moment, Mr. Carlisle, if a few dozen
"fat-cats" squawk, they will either be laughed at or punished in
the many available methods the government and media have ready
for them.
Conversely, even un-informed...or ill-informed...or just plain
stupid Americans WILL wake up as their energy and utility costs
"skyrocket".
Then we have a hundred million very loud "oopsies" being spoken
across the country.
Grzmlyk| 5.26.09 @ 10:58AM
Hey, Old Texican -
I agree. It's thuggery plain and simple and Obama is the bully in
chief.
The "elites" of this country have determined that capitalism is
bad. Not for them, of course; they're free to cheat on their
taxes, make ridiculously lucrative book deals for plagiarized
tomes and live just as large as they want.
But you and me, well, we'd better get back to picking that cotton
before the overseer notices we're dawdling and not making money
for this swine. The diaper of the nanny state is filled to the
brim and it stinks of corruption.
bluecollarbytes| 5.26.09 @ 11:38AM
Gamble with the earth on half-baked theories & premises,
guided by socialist ambitions to divide & control, and we may
be 'doomed' anyway.
I'd rather take my chances with 'mother nature's {or God's}
ability to rehabilitate what Man imagines he has the ability to
destroy.
Science is a new religion, which is why 'it' feels no need to
PROVE its assertions if those assertions can boost their industry
financially. I used to think being a scientist required
independent thinking. I think now that the club demands lockstep
adherence to Anything that promotes its growth.
hoads| 5.26.09 @ 12:02PM
Let's face it-we have never been a true free market capitalist
system. What was once a covert fascist system is now becoming
overtly fascist. No one seems to be protecting the interests of
the taxpayer/consumer. This will be ever more damaging within the
healthcare sector as all "players" seek to line their pockets at
the expense of the patients and doctors.
Once the government has control of our energy and healthcare--our
freedoms will be forfeited. We will then erode into more of a
caste system where the political class, intellectual and moneyed
elites will see their wealth and power expand while the wealth
and freedom of everyday Americans shrinks. The ivory towers will
be smirking over the masses proud of their "economic and social
justice" handiwork.
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Bram| 5.26.09 @ 12:47PM
hoads - I disagree. Americans were free from 1792 to 1914 or so.
We lost some freedom during the Wilson administration - Harding
and Coolidge got some of it back in the 20's.
1928 started a long slide to where we are now. We have nobody to
blame but ourselves.
hoads| 5.26.09 @ 1:03PM
Bram, yes, I did misspeak and do believe there was a time when
free market capitalism pervaded and you are correct, it has been
within the last almost century that our economic system has
devolved into what we see today.
Old Texican| 5.26.09 @ 1:16PM
OK Bram and Hoads (smile) Ya'll are great historians.
Let's get our thoughts in 2009 and 2010.
What the hell are we going to do to keep our country going
forward?
Genuinely "free markets" do need an honest attempt by government
to level the playing field, both domestically and
internationally. (Think Chrysler under Iacoca).
John Navratil| 5.26.09 @ 2:00PM
Hey, Old Texican! I agree the CEOs are hiding behind whatever
cover they can. However, as rent seekers, they do not feel the
least bit bad about the right kind of big government.
The big problem is that the Federal Govt. is too damn big and
there is simply no way 535 of the best and the brightest (they
are, aren't they?) can manage an economy of over 300 million
souls over vastly different geographic regions.
We have got to work within the states to starve this beast. Texas
H.C.R. 50 is a start. Of course of the Supreme Court says the
10th Amendment no longer has any force, collapse is inevitable.
As one who is more optimistic, I say look for the backlash. Of
course, it would be very nice if the Republicans were counting on
more than that to build the party.
The best government is local government. (Starting with the
family.)
Becky| 5.26.09 @ 2:34PM
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em seems to be the prevailing
tactic. CEO's of large corporations are confused with being self
employed businessmen. They are not. They are more like
congressmen and senators than the guy that owns the local pizza
parlor.
Most did not start, nor own the assests of the companies they
run.
The idea that man can own the planet, in the sense he is master
of its actions, seems impossible to me. How can we change the
long term temperature when we cannot stop a hurricane or volcano?
Global Climate change is not falsifiable, putting it in the
category of psuedo science.
ccd| 5.26.09 @ 2:54PM
Anthropogenic global climate change is falsifiable and is
therefore subject to scientific inquiry. There is a large
difference between unfalsifiable and difficult to prove/disprove.
John Navratil| 5.26.09 @ 3:45PM
ccd,
You are quite correct that climate change is falsifiable. Take
one earth as a control, then take another identical one and
modify its atmospheric CO2 level. No rise in temperature, then
CO2 is not the cause of warming. If it does rise, we now need to
test the AGW hypothesis. Again, take two identical earths and
remove all people from one. Observe for a few millions of years.
No rise in temperature, the AGW hypotheses is false. Still a rise
in temperature, we look for other causes.
Of course, the apparatus is a bit expensive and unavailable for
such a simple experiment so we have to create much simpler
systems to test which introduces the criticism that the simple
system is not faithful to the larger one. How complex must the
system be? Well so complex that computer simulation is required
(it's one of the big reasons for super computers). This begs the
question: Is the AGW hypotheses an assertion which is only
theoretically falsifiable, but is not practically so? If so, how
relevant is falsifiability to the argument?
As an observation, quite subject to refutation by others, I see
many accept the AGW theory as settled science; some in this
forum, in fact. Based on experimentation, this can come about
because the hypothesis has been tested, reviewed and re-tested
and no experiment has demonstrated the hypothesis to be false.
But yet we see predictions made in the past (based on models
designed to simplify the system, by the way) which have not
seemed to come true.
At this point we get corrections to the theory (in this case, the
model) as is required by the fact that observations do not agree
with the experiment. We observe CO2 increases in the atmosphere,
we do not observe the expected increase in atmospheric
temperature. So colder oceans or higher cloud cover (water vapor
is a much more effective greenhouse gas than CO2) are
incorporated, all to explain why the earth has not warmed over
the last ten years as expected. Nothing evil here. This is how
science works when trying to develop a theory, but can anyone be
blamed for thinking that it is the outcome and not the science to
explain it that is paramount to some?
Add to that the tendency to attribute all manner of bad weather
events to global warming (admittedly not always made by
scientists in that field of study) and the argument of
non-falsifiability gains acceptibility. This was a bad hurricane
season, therefore it was because of global warming (we all heard
it) is a "post hoc" argument and scientifically invalid. Ice
sheets melting... global warming. More ice in the center of
Greenland... that's global warming too. This is the
nonfalsifiable argument.
I don't claim the earth isn't warming. I don't claim it isn't
cooling either. While there are many who have a more informed
view of this problem, I haven't been convinced.
You may then claim the I am a denier. That is also a
non-falsifiable argument.
Old Texican| 5.26.09 @ 3:53PM
Hello, David
I have spent a lifetime smoking...a pipe for most of those
years.
Fortunately, as CEO of not one but two Fortune 500 size
companies...I can negotiate a super-duper exhaust fan in my
office.
For many years, my best and brightest engineers, Superintendents,
scientists, and business people have gathered in my office to
smoke if they wanted, and brainstorm the issues of the day.
You may not consider Baylor University an education opportunity.
Sad.
Heck, Baylor can't quite compete in the Big 12 in football. We
don't have a major in basket weaving.
Heh!
As a graduate and post-graduate of an Ivy League school, you will
of course put down Baylor University.
OK, that's fine, (but don't say that to your personal medical
doctor).
You may find it difficult to get an appointment or
referral.
My credentials are all over the internet. Where are yours?
Becky.....hi.
Kenneth Bean here.
Good post.
We CEOs ...especially of publicly traded companies, have
stockowners from every stripe of Americans, politically.
Nevertheless, we feel a serious responsibility to maintain their
investment in our companies...and grow it.
The Davids of the world can't get that.
Best regards
Roy| 5.26.09 @ 7:05PM
Yeah..an "ignore" button would be just great about now. The
occasional liberal posting a serious argument is fine and in fact
welcome, but this guy is pointless, and people waste even more
space responding to him. This is the first and last time I have
wasted such space.
As far as serious ideas - don't grant an inch to leftist
terminology, starting with the attempt to label CO2 as
"pollution". If CO2 is "pollution" a different word needs to be
used for pollution like Chinese coal plants emit. Huge masses of
soot and toxic gases that wreck the surrounding water and the
lungs of the surrounding people. And it would help to highlight
just how much of this could be avoided using the resources that
the Left wants to spend on globodoom.
I realize the word "globodoom" is cutesy and I may need a more
formal sounding word to encapsulate the fact that the issue is
not whether the Earth is slightly warming, or even whether it is
human-caused, but whether this is cause for such concern that we
need to devote absolutely exorbitant amounts of resources to
avoid it.
Old Texican| 5.26.09 @ 8:33PM
Hi Roy
Yeah...I'm a pilot. Every time we fly to california from Houston,
I am amazed at the smoke and polution blowing across the border
from Mexico.
...Zip controls there. No ability to solve here.
Jeff Nordlander| 5.27.09 @ 2:39AM
"A recent Heritage Foundation study estimated it would destroy
over 1.1 million jobs, hike electricity rates 90 percent, and
reduce the U.S. gross domestic product by nearly $10 trillion
over the next 25 years." HAHAHA I would love to see get that
backed up by any independent source. Have you all really decided
that all the climate scientists and most people with some
specific knowledge of Global Warming are just plain wrong. That
they are simply making Climate Changes negative effects so they
can impose these cap and trade taxes? How absurd of a proposition
would that be? (Waits for someone to quip "ya its even more
absurb cuz its true"). If anyone could present a sound argument
as to why they do not believe in climate change it would be
greatly appreciated. On an unrelated topic, why is it that the
Europeans have repeatedly implemented much more onerous cap and
trade systems without destroying over 1.1 million jobs, hiking
electricity rates 90 percent, and reducing their gross domestic
product by nearly $10 trillion dollars over 10 years? The fact
is, American companies, with all their ingenuity, will adapt and
innovate to the new regulations all the while creating a new
green energy sector. Acknowledging that my last point is based
solely on conjecture I will suspend debate 10 years upon which I
will return and gloat.
John Navratil| 5.27.09 @ 8:24AM
Jeff,
"Cap and trade" is an imposition of cost onto carbon emissions,
principally CO2. That cost must be born by someone. Whom? That
cost will be paid to someone. Whom? It is a tax. It is
principally a tax on energy.
What do you get when you tax something? Less of it. What do you
get when you get less energy? Less production. Less
transportation. Higher prices.
Who wins? He who gets the money. Who loses? Everyone, because the
pie is smaller.
The only justification for this scheme is the AGW theory. You
don't have to check your brain at the door to realize the Waxman
and Markey have a vested interest in this theory! Are they
climate scientists? No - but they play one on C-SPAN.
I am not a climate scientist. I am, however, a sceptic with an
interest in the truth. I see hysterics. I remember the nuclear
winter scare. The coming ice age in 1970. I read about the global
warming alarm touted by the papers in the 1920s and the global
cooling scare at the turn of the 20th century.
Now we have alarmists saying it's already too late. We WILL get a
2C rise and all we can do is our best to keep it from getting to
4C. I can't speak for anyone else but will tell you than I cannot
tell you if all these climate scientists are "just plain wrong".
A complex system is often hard to characterize in such simple
terms. But, from my experience and the studies I have made, that
is where I'd put my money. Why? Because their predictions have
not panned out and they are making it up as fast as they can.
John Navratil| 5.27.09 @ 8:32AM
PS.
The Brits have employed the most onerous energy tax in Europe and
their economy is in the tank. It was already there before the
current economic problems hit. They are fed up with it. The
consequences of this policy are real and observable.
Wake up before it's too late| 5.27.09 @ 7:12PM
Jewish Communism Russian Style is coming to you. They killed 65
Million Christian Russians.
You are next for the FEMA concentration CAMP compliments of the
Jewish AIPAC.
"The only two non-Jews in the communist conspiracy were Chambers
and Hiss...Every other one was a Jew and it raised hell with us."
Statement of President Richard Nixon in 1971, as recorded at the
White House on tape and released by the National Archives in
1999. The reference is to Whittaker Chambers and Alger Hiss.
(Sources: N.Y. Times, Oct. 7, 1999 and Newsweek, Oct. 18, 1999,
p. 30)
"It is legitimate to adopt a critical attitude toward the
relatively large number of Jews who particularly in the first
decade after the Bolshevik revolution collaborated with the
Soviet Government in the persecution of other peoples."
Statement of researcher Michael Mills, an official of the
government of Australia at Canberra. (Source: Forward, March 10,
2000)
Judaic Professor Arno Mayer of Princeton in his important book,
Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? states that the German invasion
of Russia was carried out with the intention to eradicate
Bolshevik (Soviet Communist) ideology. The Germans were hardly
the only ones in the West to believe that, "Soviet Russia is a
dictatorship of Jewry."
On Feb. 8, 1920 a young British writer made a similar observation
in the Illustrated Sunday Herald:
"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation
of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian
Revolution by these international and for the most part
atheistical Jews."
The writer was Winston Churchill. Though he would later sell his
soul for considerably more than thirty pieces of silver, his
analysis of the authentic nature of Soviet communism remains
trenchant.
Churchill expressed the crucial insight that the crimes
perpetrated by Jewish communists against Germans and Russians
instilled in those people a desire for retribution:
"In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more
astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed, the principal,
part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary
Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by
Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.
"The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief
period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same
phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria),
so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the
temporary prostration of the German people.
"...The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish
places of worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their
universal hostility has tended more and more to associate the
Jewish race in Russia with villainies which are now being
perpetrated...Needless to say, the most intense passions of
revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian people."
(End quote from Churchill).
"...a letter sent to the Vatican by Pius XII in 1919, when he was
Bishop Eugenio Pacelli and papal nuncio in Munich...reports on
his deputy's unpleasant encounter with Bolshevik revolutionaries
who were then terrorizing Catholic priests and the German
bourgeoisie. The letter describes the leader, Max Lieven as a
'... Russian and a Jew.' The letter also describes Mr. Lieven's
companions, '...Jews like the rest of them.'...Bishop Pacelli's
description of Jewish Communists...was hardly uncommon 80 years
ago." (N.Y. Times, Nov. 3, 1999).
Chaim Bermant, writing in the Jewish Chronicle (Aug. 30, 1991),
says: "It was Communism which toppled the hated Czars, Communism
which removed Jewish disabilities and proscribed anti-Semitism
and Communism which, in its early days at least, opened the doors
to Jewish advancement."
Lenin, whose maternal grandfather, Israel Blank, was Judaic, said
that Judaics made the best revolutionaries: "The clever Russian
is almost always a Jew or has Jewish blood in him." (Dmitri
Volkogonov, Lenin: A New Biography, p. 112). Lenin was both
clever and a revolutionary. He was surely referring to himself.
Researcher Wayne McGuire of Harvard University writes: "Lenin was
a Jew by the standards of Israel's Law of Return: he possessed a
Jewish grandparent. It would seem that not only was Lenin a Jew,
but that he was a Jewish racist and chauvinist, although he kept
his ideas on this volatile subject far in the background,
probably because they were in radical conflict with the supposed
universalism of Marxism. ...Lenin was a Jewish racist who
deliberately gave Jews especially, the most 'intellectually
demanding tasks.' He admitted that 50% of the communist terrorist
vanguard in the south and west of Russia was comprised of Jews."
Lenin declared, "We are exterminating the bourgeoisie as a
class." His partner in crime, Apfelbaum (Zinoviev) stated: "The
interests of the revolution require the physical annihilation of
the bourgeoisie class." Who were these bourgeoisie? Certainly not
Jews. Trotsky gave a clue to their identity in a 1937 interview
in the New York Jewish newspaper, Daily Forward: "The longer the
rotten bourgeoisie society lives, the more and more barbaric will
anti-Semitism become everywhere."
Bourgeoisie was a Bolshevik code-word for Gentile. The first law
passed after the Communists seized power in Russia made
anti-semitism a crime punishable by death. (Izvestia, July 27,
1918).
The top Communist Judaic official Zinoviev stated: "Without
mercy, without sparing, we will kill our enemies in scores of
hundreds. Let them be thousands; let them drown themselves in
their own blood. For the blood of Lenin and Uritzky, Zinoviev and
Vólodarsky, let there be floods of the blood of the
bourgeoisie--more blood! As much as possible!" (Krasnaya Gazeta,
Sept. 1, 1918).
The Judaic Bolsheviks regarded politics as a branch of Gentile
pest control. Hatred of Christians, especially the peasant
"bourgeoisie" was their prime motivation. The systematic
destruction of the Christian peasantry of Russia as so many
vermin, beginning with Lenin's attack on them in the summer of
1918 and his forced starvation in 1921, has been almost
completely ignored in Western history.
According to the London, England "Jewish Chronicle" (Literary
Supplement, Sept. 3, 1999, pp. iv and v) Jewish Communist writer
Isaac Babel was present at a Soviet Communist gathering, "A
meeting of...Jews...is being addressed by Commissar Vinogradov
who is enthusiastically telling the...Jews: 'You are in power.
Everything is yours." Babel also wrote of the "unbounded" Jewish
"contempt for the Polish gentry."
According to the "Jewish Chronicle," Babel wrote for the
Communist publication "Red Trooper" and a Soviet commissar
related to him how they intended to deal with Cossacks: "The
revolutionary curve has thrown into the first rank the free
Cossacks soaked in many prejudices, but the Central Committee's
maneuvering will rub them down with a brush of iron.' Babel
expresses no opinion on the chances of successfully rubbing out
the Cossacks' 'soaked-in prejudices,' a euphemistic term for
vicious anti-Semitism..." ("Jewish Chronicle," Ibid.)
"In the last years of the '20s and the early '30s, Babel was
regarded as one of the most notable talents in Soviet literature.
Speaking at the first writers' congress in 1934...he made the
expected avowals of loyalty and devotion to the revolution, the
government and the state. He even praised Stalin's literary
style." ("Jewish Chronicle," Ibid.)
In his story, "The Rabbi's Son," Babel places the portraits of
Lenin and Rabbi Moses Maimonides side by side. He notes that the
margins of Communist leaflets are crowded with "Hebrew verse."
The Siberian novelist Valentin Rasputin wrote in 1990: "I think
today the Jews here in Russia should feel responsible for the sin
of having carried out the revolution and for the shape it took.
They should feel responsible for the terror--for the terror that
existed during the revolution and especially after the
revolution...their guilt is great. They perpetrated the
relentless campaign against the peasant class whose land was
brutally expropriated by the state and who themselves were
ruthlessly murdered."
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's biographer recounts what it was like to
grow up as a Russian Christian child among the children of the
Jewish communist elite: "By the age of ten he had the cross
ripped from his neck by jeering Pioneers and for over a year was
held up to ridicule... Solzhenitsyn was, as a boy, exposed to
students whose parents had an officially superior status. Most of
the members of the Young Pioneers and Komsomol movements, at
least in Rostov, were Jewish children..." (Michael Scammell,
Solzhenitsyn: A Biography, p. 64).
According to the internationally-syndicated RNS wire service
(reprinted in "The Christian News," Jan. 8, 1996, p. 2), "Some
200,000 (Christian) clergy, many crucified, scalped and otherwise
tortured, were killed during the approximately 60 years of
communist rule in the former Soviet Union, a Russian commission
reported Monday (Nov. 27, 1995)...40,000 churches (were)
destroyed in the period from 1922 to 1980..."
Here is the most genocidal political movement in world history,
which created the largest concentration camps and the most
horrendous slave labor system of the 20th century, in which
millions of gentiles and Christians were slaughtered (on the size
of the Gulag concentration camp system cf. C. Andrew and O.
Gordievsky, KGB: The Inside Story and N.Y. Times, Oct. 22, 1990,
p. 82. None of these camps are being preserved for posterity.
Most were destroyed long ago by special military brigades; cf.
Michael Specter, "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
This was a movement staffed in its upper echelons by Judaic
Communists and yet the world is comparatively silent about the
holocaust and war crimes this thoroughly kosher system inflicted
and the identity of the persons who were its architects.
Auschwitz is on the tip of every tongue but who has heard of
Kolyma, Magadan, the Solovetsky islands and the other infernal
Soviet centers of human destruction in eastern Siberia? Who has
seen films and books about the millions of human beings worked,
frozen and starved to death in the construction of the White
Sea-Baltic Canal, over which stood a triumphant, colossal statue
of the Judaic Communist mass murderer Genrikh Yagoda?
The Judaic Communist epoch of mass murder has disappeared into
history in one of the great vanishing acts of all time. Only
practiced deceivers, with all the sleight of hand of the most
accomplished stage magicians, could pull off such a coup against
the rest of humanity. To trick mankind into focusing nearly all
expiatory sentiment, monuments and commemoration on Judaic
victims and brand the Mark of Cain--the very words war crime and
holocaust itself--on Germany and upon Germans alone as their
proprietary trademark, must be regarded as one of the most
masterful achievements of psychological warfare in the annals of
illusion.
Israeli power has expanded commensurate with the expansion of
"Holocaust" propaganda, as noted by the Israeli author Moshe
Leshem: "Israelis and American Jews fully agree that the memory
of the Holocaust is an indispensable weapon--one that must be
used relentlessly against their common enemy...Jewish
organizations and individuals thus labor continuously to remind
the world of it. In America, the perpetuation of the Holocaust
memory is now a $100-million-a-year enterprise, part of which is
government-funded." ( Balaam's Curse, p. 228)
AIPAC don't want known| 5.27.09 @ 7:30PM
Don't speak about us, we will take away your free speech. This is
why, the jewish lie is a mulitmillion dollar a year business to
fool you and eventually kill you.
Perpetrators of the holocaust against Christian Russia transform
themselves into "survivors" of "the Holocaust"
The portraits above are of the same man but in two different
incarnations. On the left we see Martin "Gray" in retirement
after a successful career peddling fake antiques to gullible
collectors. He is holding his mass market paperback, For Those I
Loved, which is filled with his exploits as a saintly "Holocaust
Survivor" who was supposedly forced to help clear bodies out of
the Treblinka "gas chamber." The earlier portrait on the right is
of the youthful Gray as a decorated officer in the Soviet NKVD
(the forerunner of the KGB), responsible for the murder of
millions of Christians and gentiles in Russia and Eastern Europe.
Even Establishment researchers have had to admit that Gray's book
is as phony as the antiques he peddled. But Gray's scam is
symbolic of countless other Communist ghouls who have managed to
land on their feet in the West, disguised as poor, persecuted
"Survivors of the Holocaust" and feted as the saints and martyrs
of the universe. Meanwhile the holocaust they perpetrated against
millions of Christians slips further down the dark environs of
Orwell's memory hole.
In chapter 13 of Charles Dickens' Oliver Twist, Dickens notes
that Fagin has an inexhaustible supply of props and disguises.
Judaic Communists: The Documentary Record
by Michael A. Hoffman II
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Bud| 5.26.09 @ 7:11AM
The core of the article is summed in one quote: "Markey says that 'CEOs are not about to preside over the destruction of their business' because they believe they can still make money in the 'new clean-energy future'."
This reads like a quote from novel about a mafia don, 'making someone an offer they can't refuse'. Thus the true face of today's U.S. government is revealed.
So the choice presented to business is (a) destruction or (b) live with paper profits made possible by government transfer payments in the form of tax credits, allowances, subsidies, etc.
One thing about those transfer payments - there is a presumption that there will be some folks around doing productive in the open economy that can be expropriated to provide the substance of the transfer payments.
Don't bet the rent on that proposition.
Bram| 5.26.09 @ 7:42AM
The executives don't really care about the horrendous effects of cap and trade. They are just working through their lobbyists to ensure they can pass on all the costs to their customers. Look for big rates hikes coming fast – and if you complain, you obviously want to destroy the Earth.
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 7:45AM
If 'Dave Mathews' really believes that carbon dioxide is 'pollution' as he would like us to think,then he needs to man up and set an example for the rest of us by doing the intellectually honest thing...sell his car and kill himself....at least we will all be spared any further 'pollution' from HIM.
JP| 5.26.09 @ 7:53AM
Of course nothing is free, and those promised subsidies must come from somewhere. But where? Two weeks ago OMB said that the US government now is borrowing 46 cents for every dollar its spends; the US is close to losing its triple A credit rating; and it appears the President intends to run trillin dollar defecits in prepituity.
Late last week there began a large sell-off of dollars in the foreign exchange markets.
Whether the EPA institutes a massive carbon tax, or if Congress imposes Cap and Trade; the end result will an ever increasing cut into the GDP, at a time when the GDP has lost some $2 trillion. That is, the GDP this year and next is forecasted to be around $11 trillion. The federal goverment will consume over $4 trillion of that.
Whether the money is collected by the IRS, state taxing authorities, or energy companies, a substantial amount of our national wealth will be confiscated, and we haven't even talked about Universal Health Care.
The damage done will be obvious. Private wealth will either go underground, go overseas, or seek safer harbours. The dollar will fall, inflation and interest rates go up, and after a brief stimulus provided surge in jobs, another recession will begin -probably around 2011-2012.
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 7:55AM
"Dave Mathews" is like that online post modern phrase generator...utterly incapable of saying anything constructive...only hate filled ad hominens again and again.....but if anybody is stupid here it is HE....not bright enough to recognize that he himself is a 'pollutor' by his very own standards....he wants to limit everyone's carbon dioxide output but his own.
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 8:02AM
You see?...Davey can't even address his own intellectual dishonesty vis a vis his own carbon dioxide production....all he can do is hurl invective at those who draw attention to the fact
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 8:07AM
Actually my fascination is not with suicide...it is with intellectual dishonesty....those who preach 'do as I say and not as I do'....just pointing out Davey's expectation that the rest of us should have to live under rules that Davey's ilk formulate while exempting themselves from those rules.
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 8:16AM
Actually I am pro life...which means that I believe I should continue breathing and exhaling carbon dixoide...to feed plants that require it to produce the oxygen I inhale..,Davey wouldn't recognize the truth if it pointed out his own dishonesty regarding his own 'pollution' every time he exhales...or at least that is what he professes to believe
Jamie| 5.26.09 @ 8:18AM
You can add the Fortune 500 company Entergy Corporation (NYSE: ETR) to the list too. They claim its customers will not be greatly impacted by cap and trade because the company primarily uses nuclear energy and natural gas to power their generators; with only a minority utilizing coal.
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 8:23AM
What we notice is that Davey condemns 'pollution' but by his own definition,he keeps polluting the air himself....I guess he simply lacks the requisite self awareness to notice the inherent contradiction....too busy ginning up his next spew I guess
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 8:31AM
What Davey fails to notice is that my use of the term 'pollution' is based on his very own definition of it....carbon dioxide emission....now he can't even remember how he defines his own terms....they boy's cheese is beginning to slip right off his cracker
EA| 5.26.09 @ 8:39AM
It is bad manners and a waste of precious policy discussion time for certain posters to merely repeat attacks coupled with vapid and disproven partisan political talking points. So let's get to the actual science:
1) The planet temperature is flat to cooling; that's not a conservative opinion, it is a scientific fact.
2) Therefore the Gore/IPCC "global warming" models have been proven false, because they predicted skyrocketing temperatures and failed spectacularly to accurately predict the current climate.
3) Even if Gore global warming theory were true, and the models accurate, imposing limits on America before imposing them on China would be totally counter-productive, because China produces more pollution per unit of production than the United States. Impose cap-and-trade on America and factories will close and move to China for a net INCREASE in total planetary pollution.
4) Over time, free-market economies drive down energy used per unit produced; this is a measurable scientific fact. They do this in order to reduce waste and fatten profits. Hence those greedy profits have actually performed a socially and environmentally useful function. If you really want to see what kind of economic system trashes the planet, merely take a map of the world and a red crayon and color in the world’s most polluted ecosystems. You will find you have colored in the countries that have historically had the strongest socialist systems (though some recently rejected socialism and are trying to clean up).
5) It is left as an exercise for the student to predict whether the crony capitalism of Obama’s national socialism (i.e. fascism) in which companies devote their energy to kissing political butt instead of greedily reducing production costs will actually result in more waste and pollution in the long run (as well wrecking the employment and financial lives of the working class).
Robbins Mitchell| 5.26.09 @ 8:40AM
Quod erat demonstrandum...Davey is now hoist on his own rhetorical petard...unable to be consistent about anything but regurgitating Alinskyesque pablum at those who point out his own faulty arguments.....now if you good people I need to go enlarge my carbon footprint....with the probable likelihood of reglaciation in our future,the biosphere is going to need all the carbon dioxide we can produce....and at least I will have the satisfaction of knowing that by doing so, it may even cause Davey to stroke out from knowing I am doing so.
Neo| 5.26.09 @ 8:56AM
I always love to hear the "Flat-Earthers" go on and on about CO2 destroying the planet.
The science is not settled .. far from it. We now now that Al Gore and his VC buddies are in this for the money.
It's the "next big thing" that comes after the S&L rape, and the "subprime ripoff".
owyheewine| 5.26.09 @ 9:08AM
Face it folks. Corporate CEOs are not about political ideology. They are about making profit for (hopefully) their shareholders, and themselves. That's the way it should be in a capitalist country.
Consumers always get the ultimate bill for any government help for the economy. Just buck up and work to get conservatives elected.
Robert Rosencrans| 5.26.09 @ 9:44AM
Why should corporate America care about cap and trade? They won't pay the costs, at first. This is essentially a 20% or more tax on the entire American public. Soon after it's implemented, the economy will tank, leading the Washingtonians to proclaim, "We need more government." Someone might inform them the concept has already failed. In one clever strategy though, the implementation of the act is being postponed until 2012. It's a clever move designed to help Cobama secure a second term. Will the public be stupid enough to fall for it? Time will tell.
JimE| 5.26.09 @ 9:50AM
Thank you EA for the restoration of civility, fact, and open discussion.
In other (failed) National Socialist adventures, corporations were pressured into joining into the intrusion of government. Unfortunately it was the consumer that was damaged.
Ultimately, this (Cap & Trade) tax is passed on to the individual.
All of the impact analysis demonstrate the severe impact on that individual as well as on our country - and, eventually all economies.
The analysis on the environmental impact (Greenhouse Gas Emissions) also demonstrate that the effect from a single country (even adding in the Kyoto collaboration) is minimal at best.
Lastly, the question for all is WHY? Al Gore and his ilk are daily being beaten with scientific research that calls their conclusion to question.
Jack| 5.26.09 @ 9:54AM
The intellectual dishonesty here is Incredible!
1) There will be NO reduction in carbon outputs!-See Europe
2) Any tax revenues raised DO NOT go to protecting the planet! It goes to offer free healthcare to Democrat voting groups!
Markey and Waxman want to confiscate dollars from midwestern coal burning states so they can dole out dollars to illegal voters.
Also, to pay for all of the services they are now going bankrupt to provide. Instead of saying no to spectacular cost increases they are looking for other sources of revenue.
We in the midwest will pay higher energy bills so they can provide free healthcare to a new generation of voters. THIS IS A HORRIBLE LIE TOLD BY DEMOCRATIC SENATORS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
Jack| 5.26.09 @ 10:08AM
With respect to DoorGunner, I take the liberty of reprinting his message in a more appropriate forum.
Doorgunner| 5.26.09 @ 8:23AM
Speaking of whacky extremism, David, what's this stuff?
http://www.geocities.com/dmathew1/introwk.html
And how 'bout that crazy letter Sunnyside Church of Christ?
http://www.sunnysidechurchofchrist.com/email/Dave Mathews so-called missionary trip to Yellowstone.htm
David, who's billy? Did he/she forsake you also? Like God? Like the folks at The Oil Drum?
Old Texican| 5.26.09 @ 10:20AM
Hi Guys
It seems to me that the large companies' brass are just scared to death to make waves in this particular political climate.
They have, and will, be villified for whatever they do.
Myy best guess is that they are quietly hoping and praying that the political "climate" will reverse itself very quickly as more and more Americans wake up to the trainwreck they have voted themselves.
Stop and think about it a moment, Mr. Carlisle, if a few dozen "fat-cats" squawk, they will either be laughed at or punished in the many available methods the government and media have ready for them.
Conversely, even un-informed...or ill-informed...or just plain stupid Americans WILL wake up as their energy and utility costs "skyrocket".
Then we have a hundred million very loud "oopsies" being spoken across the country.
Grzmlyk| 5.26.09 @ 10:58AM
Hey, Old Texican -
I agree. It's thuggery plain and simple and Obama is the bully in chief.
The "elites" of this country have determined that capitalism is bad. Not for them, of course; they're free to cheat on their taxes, make ridiculously lucrative book deals for plagiarized tomes and live just as large as they want.
But you and me, well, we'd better get back to picking that cotton before the overseer notices we're dawdling and not making money for this swine. The diaper of the nanny state is filled to the brim and it stinks of corruption.
bluecollarbytes| 5.26.09 @ 11:38AM
Gamble with the earth on half-baked theories & premises, guided by socialist ambitions to divide & control, and we may be 'doomed' anyway.
I'd rather take my chances with 'mother nature's {or God's} ability to rehabilitate what Man imagines he has the ability to destroy.
Science is a new religion, which is why 'it' feels no need to PROVE its assertions if those assertions can boost their industry financially. I used to think being a scientist required independent thinking. I think now that the club demands lockstep adherence to Anything that promotes its growth.
hoads| 5.26.09 @ 12:02PM
Let's face it-we have never been a true free market capitalist system. What was once a covert fascist system is now becoming overtly fascist. No one seems to be protecting the interests of the taxpayer/consumer. This will be ever more damaging within the healthcare sector as all "players" seek to line their pockets at the expense of the patients and doctors.
Once the government has control of our energy and healthcare--our freedoms will be forfeited. We will then erode into more of a caste system where the political class, intellectual and moneyed elites will see their wealth and power expand while the wealth and freedom of everyday Americans shrinks. The ivory towers will be smirking over the masses proud of their "economic and social justice" handiwork.
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Bram| 5.26.09 @ 12:47PM
hoads - I disagree. Americans were free from 1792 to 1914 or so. We lost some freedom during the Wilson administration - Harding and Coolidge got some of it back in the 20's.
1928 started a long slide to where we are now. We have nobody to blame but ourselves.
hoads| 5.26.09 @ 1:03PM
Bram, yes, I did misspeak and do believe there was a time when free market capitalism pervaded and you are correct, it has been within the last almost century that our economic system has devolved into what we see today.
Old Texican| 5.26.09 @ 1:16PM
OK Bram and Hoads (smile) Ya'll are great historians.
Let's get our thoughts in 2009 and 2010.
What the hell are we going to do to keep our country going forward?
Genuinely "free markets" do need an honest attempt by government to level the playing field, both domestically and internationally. (Think Chrysler under Iacoca).
John Navratil| 5.26.09 @ 2:00PM
Hey, Old Texican! I agree the CEOs are hiding behind whatever cover they can. However, as rent seekers, they do not feel the least bit bad about the right kind of big government.
The big problem is that the Federal Govt. is too damn big and there is simply no way 535 of the best and the brightest (they are, aren't they?) can manage an economy of over 300 million souls over vastly different geographic regions.
We have got to work within the states to starve this beast. Texas H.C.R. 50 is a start. Of course of the Supreme Court says the 10th Amendment no longer has any force, collapse is inevitable. As one who is more optimistic, I say look for the backlash. Of course, it would be very nice if the Republicans were counting on more than that to build the party.
The best government is local government. (Starting with the family.)
Becky| 5.26.09 @ 2:34PM
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em seems to be the prevailing tactic. CEO's of large corporations are confused with being self employed businessmen. They are not. They are more like congressmen and senators than the guy that owns the local pizza parlor.
Most did not start, nor own the assests of the companies they run.
The idea that man can own the planet, in the sense he is master of its actions, seems impossible to me. How can we change the long term temperature when we cannot stop a hurricane or volcano?
Global Climate change is not falsifiable, putting it in the category of psuedo science.
ccd| 5.26.09 @ 2:54PM
Anthropogenic global climate change is falsifiable and is therefore subject to scientific inquiry. There is a large difference between unfalsifiable and difficult to prove/disprove.
John Navratil| 5.26.09 @ 3:45PM
ccd,
You are quite correct that climate change is falsifiable. Take one earth as a control, then take another identical one and modify its atmospheric CO2 level. No rise in temperature, then CO2 is not the cause of warming. If it does rise, we now need to test the AGW hypothesis. Again, take two identical earths and remove all people from one. Observe for a few millions of years. No rise in temperature, the AGW hypotheses is false. Still a rise in temperature, we look for other causes.
Of course, the apparatus is a bit expensive and unavailable for such a simple experiment so we have to create much simpler systems to test which introduces the criticism that the simple system is not faithful to the larger one. How complex must the system be? Well so complex that computer simulation is required (it's one of the big reasons for super computers). This begs the question: Is the AGW hypotheses an assertion which is only theoretically falsifiable, but is not practically so? If so, how relevant is falsifiability to the argument?
As an observation, quite subject to refutation by others, I see many accept the AGW theory as settled science; some in this forum, in fact. Based on experimentation, this can come about because the hypothesis has been tested, reviewed and re-tested and no experiment has demonstrated the hypothesis to be false. But yet we see predictions made in the past (based on models designed to simplify the system, by the way) which have not seemed to come true.
At this point we get corrections to the theory (in this case, the model) as is required by the fact that observations do not agree with the experiment. We observe CO2 increases in the atmosphere, we do not observe the expected increase in atmospheric temperature. So colder oceans or higher cloud cover (water vapor is a much more effective greenhouse gas than CO2) are incorporated, all to explain why the earth has not warmed over the last ten years as expected. Nothing evil here. This is how science works when trying to develop a theory, but can anyone be blamed for thinking that it is the outcome and not the science to explain it that is paramount to some?
Add to that the tendency to attribute all manner of bad weather events to global warming (admittedly not always made by scientists in that field of study) and the argument of non-falsifiability gains acceptibility. This was a bad hurricane season, therefore it was because of global warming (we all heard it) is a "post hoc" argument and scientifically invalid. Ice sheets melting... global warming. More ice in the center of Greenland... that's global warming too. This is the nonfalsifiable argument.
I don't claim the earth isn't warming. I don't claim it isn't cooling either. While there are many who have a more informed view of this problem, I haven't been convinced.
You may then claim the I am a denier. That is also a non-falsifiable argument.
Old Texican| 5.26.09 @ 3:53PM
Hello, David
I have spent a lifetime smoking...a pipe for most of those years.
Fortunately, as CEO of not one but two Fortune 500 size companies...I can negotiate a super-duper exhaust fan in my office.
For many years, my best and brightest engineers, Superintendents, scientists, and business people have gathered in my office to smoke if they wanted, and brainstorm the issues of the day.
You may not consider Baylor University an education opportunity. Sad.
Heck, Baylor can't quite compete in the Big 12 in football. We don't have a major in basket weaving.
Heh!
As a graduate and post-graduate of an Ivy League school, you will of course put down Baylor University.
OK, that's fine, (but don't say that to your personal medical doctor).
You may find it difficult to get an appointment or referral.
My credentials are all over the internet. Where are yours?
Becky.....hi.
Kenneth Bean here.
Good post.
We CEOs ...especially of publicly traded companies, have stockowners from every stripe of Americans, politically.
Nevertheless, we feel a serious responsibility to maintain their investment in our companies...and grow it.
The Davids of the world can't get that.
Best regards
Roy| 5.26.09 @ 7:05PM
Yeah..an "ignore" button would be just great about now. The occasional liberal posting a serious argument is fine and in fact welcome, but this guy is pointless, and people waste even more space responding to him. This is the first and last time I have wasted such space.
As far as serious ideas - don't grant an inch to leftist terminology, starting with the attempt to label CO2 as "pollution". If CO2 is "pollution" a different word needs to be used for pollution like Chinese coal plants emit. Huge masses of soot and toxic gases that wreck the surrounding water and the lungs of the surrounding people. And it would help to highlight just how much of this could be avoided using the resources that the Left wants to spend on globodoom.
I realize the word "globodoom" is cutesy and I may need a more formal sounding word to encapsulate the fact that the issue is not whether the Earth is slightly warming, or even whether it is human-caused, but whether this is cause for such concern that we need to devote absolutely exorbitant amounts of resources to avoid it.
Old Texican| 5.26.09 @ 8:33PM
Hi Roy
Yeah...I'm a pilot. Every time we fly to california from Houston, I am amazed at the smoke and polution blowing across the border from Mexico.
...Zip controls there. No ability to solve here.
Jeff Nordlander| 5.27.09 @ 2:39AM
"A recent Heritage Foundation study estimated it would destroy over 1.1 million jobs, hike electricity rates 90 percent, and reduce the U.S. gross domestic product by nearly $10 trillion over the next 25 years." HAHAHA I would love to see get that backed up by any independent source. Have you all really decided that all the climate scientists and most people with some specific knowledge of Global Warming are just plain wrong. That they are simply making Climate Changes negative effects so they can impose these cap and trade taxes? How absurd of a proposition would that be? (Waits for someone to quip "ya its even more absurb cuz its true"). If anyone could present a sound argument as to why they do not believe in climate change it would be greatly appreciated. On an unrelated topic, why is it that the Europeans have repeatedly implemented much more onerous cap and trade systems without destroying over 1.1 million jobs, hiking electricity rates 90 percent, and reducing their gross domestic product by nearly $10 trillion dollars over 10 years? The fact is, American companies, with all their ingenuity, will adapt and innovate to the new regulations all the while creating a new green energy sector. Acknowledging that my last point is based solely on conjecture I will suspend debate 10 years upon which I will return and gloat.
John Navratil| 5.27.09 @ 8:24AM
Jeff,
"Cap and trade" is an imposition of cost onto carbon emissions, principally CO2. That cost must be born by someone. Whom? That cost will be paid to someone. Whom? It is a tax. It is principally a tax on energy.
What do you get when you tax something? Less of it. What do you get when you get less energy? Less production. Less transportation. Higher prices.
Who wins? He who gets the money. Who loses? Everyone, because the pie is smaller.
The only justification for this scheme is the AGW theory. You don't have to check your brain at the door to realize the Waxman and Markey have a vested interest in this theory! Are they climate scientists? No - but they play one on C-SPAN.
I am not a climate scientist. I am, however, a sceptic with an interest in the truth. I see hysterics. I remember the nuclear winter scare. The coming ice age in 1970. I read about the global warming alarm touted by the papers in the 1920s and the global cooling scare at the turn of the 20th century.
Now we have alarmists saying it's already too late. We WILL get a 2C rise and all we can do is our best to keep it from getting to 4C. I can't speak for anyone else but will tell you than I cannot tell you if all these climate scientists are "just plain wrong". A complex system is often hard to characterize in such simple terms. But, from my experience and the studies I have made, that is where I'd put my money. Why? Because their predictions have not panned out and they are making it up as fast as they can.
John Navratil| 5.27.09 @ 8:32AM
PS.
The Brits have employed the most onerous energy tax in Europe and their economy is in the tank. It was already there before the current economic problems hit. They are fed up with it. The consequences of this policy are real and observable.
Wake up before it's too late| 5.27.09 @ 7:12PM
Jewish Communism Russian Style is coming to you. They killed 65 Million Christian Russians.
You are next for the FEMA concentration CAMP compliments of the Jewish AIPAC.
"The only two non-Jews in the communist conspiracy were Chambers and Hiss...Every other one was a Jew and it raised hell with us."
Statement of President Richard Nixon in 1971, as recorded at the White House on tape and released by the National Archives in 1999. The reference is to Whittaker Chambers and Alger Hiss. (Sources: N.Y. Times, Oct. 7, 1999 and Newsweek, Oct. 18, 1999, p. 30)
"It is legitimate to adopt a critical attitude toward the relatively large number of Jews who particularly in the first decade after the Bolshevik revolution collaborated with the Soviet Government in the persecution of other peoples."
Statement of researcher Michael Mills, an official of the government of Australia at Canberra. (Source: Forward, March 10, 2000)
Judaic Professor Arno Mayer of Princeton in his important book, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? states that the German invasion of Russia was carried out with the intention to eradicate Bolshevik (Soviet Communist) ideology. The Germans were hardly the only ones in the West to believe that, "Soviet Russia is a dictatorship of Jewry."
On Feb. 8, 1920 a young British writer made a similar observation in the Illustrated Sunday Herald:
"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews."
The writer was Winston Churchill. Though he would later sell his soul for considerably more than thirty pieces of silver, his analysis of the authentic nature of Soviet communism remains trenchant.
Churchill expressed the crucial insight that the crimes perpetrated by Jewish communists against Germans and Russians instilled in those people a desire for retribution:
"In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed, the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.
"The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people.
"...The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has tended more and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with villainies which are now being perpetrated...Needless to say, the most intense passions of revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian people." (End quote from Churchill).
"...a letter sent to the Vatican by Pius XII in 1919, when he was Bishop Eugenio Pacelli and papal nuncio in Munich...reports on his deputy's unpleasant encounter with Bolshevik revolutionaries who were then terrorizing Catholic priests and the German bourgeoisie. The letter describes the leader, Max Lieven as a '... Russian and a Jew.' The letter also describes Mr. Lieven's companions, '...Jews like the rest of them.'...Bishop Pacelli's description of Jewish Communists...was hardly uncommon 80 years ago." (N.Y. Times, Nov. 3, 1999).
Chaim Bermant, writing in the Jewish Chronicle (Aug. 30, 1991), says: "It was Communism which toppled the hated Czars, Communism which removed Jewish disabilities and proscribed anti-Semitism and Communism which, in its early days at least, opened the doors to Jewish advancement."
Lenin, whose maternal grandfather, Israel Blank, was Judaic, said that Judaics made the best revolutionaries: "The clever Russian is almost always a Jew or has Jewish blood in him." (Dmitri Volkogonov, Lenin: A New Biography, p. 112). Lenin was both clever and a revolutionary. He was surely referring to himself.
Researcher Wayne McGuire of Harvard University writes: "Lenin was a Jew by the standards of Israel's Law of Return: he possessed a Jewish grandparent. It would seem that not only was Lenin a Jew, but that he was a Jewish racist and chauvinist, although he kept his ideas on this volatile subject far in the background, probably because they were in radical conflict with the supposed universalism of Marxism. ...Lenin was a Jewish racist who deliberately gave Jews especially, the most 'intellectually demanding tasks.' He admitted that 50% of the communist terrorist vanguard in the south and west of Russia was comprised of Jews."
Lenin declared, "We are exterminating the bourgeoisie as a class." His partner in crime, Apfelbaum (Zinoviev) stated: "The interests of the revolution require the physical annihilation of the bourgeoisie class." Who were these bourgeoisie? Certainly not Jews. Trotsky gave a clue to their identity in a 1937 interview in the New York Jewish newspaper, Daily Forward: "The longer the rotten bourgeoisie society lives, the more and more barbaric will anti-Semitism become everywhere."
Bourgeoisie was a Bolshevik code-word for Gentile. The first law passed after the Communists seized power in Russia made anti-semitism a crime punishable by death. (Izvestia, July 27, 1918).
The top Communist Judaic official Zinoviev stated: "Without mercy, without sparing, we will kill our enemies in scores of hundreds. Let them be thousands; let them drown themselves in their own blood. For the blood of Lenin and Uritzky, Zinoviev and Vólodarsky, let there be floods of the blood of the bourgeoisie--more blood! As much as possible!" (Krasnaya Gazeta, Sept. 1, 1918).
The Judaic Bolsheviks regarded politics as a branch of Gentile pest control. Hatred of Christians, especially the peasant "bourgeoisie" was their prime motivation. The systematic destruction of the Christian peasantry of Russia as so many vermin, beginning with Lenin's attack on them in the summer of 1918 and his forced starvation in 1921, has been almost completely ignored in Western history.
According to the London, England "Jewish Chronicle" (Literary Supplement, Sept. 3, 1999, pp. iv and v) Jewish Communist writer Isaac Babel was present at a Soviet Communist gathering, "A meeting of...Jews...is being addressed by Commissar Vinogradov who is enthusiastically telling the...Jews: 'You are in power. Everything is yours." Babel also wrote of the "unbounded" Jewish "contempt for the Polish gentry."
According to the "Jewish Chronicle," Babel wrote for the Communist publication "Red Trooper" and a Soviet commissar related to him how they intended to deal with Cossacks: "The revolutionary curve has thrown into the first rank the free Cossacks soaked in many prejudices, but the Central Committee's maneuvering will rub them down with a brush of iron.' Babel expresses no opinion on the chances of successfully rubbing out the Cossacks' 'soaked-in prejudices,' a euphemistic term for vicious anti-Semitism..." ("Jewish Chronicle," Ibid.)
"In the last years of the '20s and the early '30s, Babel was regarded as one of the most notable talents in Soviet literature. Speaking at the first writers' congress in 1934...he made the expected avowals of loyalty and devotion to the revolution, the government and the state. He even praised Stalin's literary style." ("Jewish Chronicle," Ibid.)
In his story, "The Rabbi's Son," Babel places the portraits of Lenin and Rabbi Moses Maimonides side by side. He notes that the margins of Communist leaflets are crowded with "Hebrew verse."
The Siberian novelist Valentin Rasputin wrote in 1990: "I think today the Jews here in Russia should feel responsible for the sin of having carried out the revolution and for the shape it took. They should feel responsible for the terror--for the terror that existed during the revolution and especially after the revolution...their guilt is great. They perpetrated the relentless campaign against the peasant class whose land was brutally expropriated by the state and who themselves were ruthlessly murdered."
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's biographer recounts what it was like to grow up as a Russian Christian child among the children of the Jewish communist elite: "By the age of ten he had the cross ripped from his neck by jeering Pioneers and for over a year was held up to ridicule... Solzhenitsyn was, as a boy, exposed to students whose parents had an officially superior status. Most of the members of the Young Pioneers and Komsomol movements, at least in Rostov, were Jewish children..." (Michael Scammell, Solzhenitsyn: A Biography, p. 64).
According to the internationally-syndicated RNS wire service (reprinted in "The Christian News," Jan. 8, 1996, p. 2), "Some 200,000 (Christian) clergy, many crucified, scalped and otherwise tortured, were killed during the approximately 60 years of communist rule in the former Soviet Union, a Russian commission reported Monday (Nov. 27, 1995)...40,000 churches (were) destroyed in the period from 1922 to 1980..."
Here is the most genocidal political movement in world history, which created the largest concentration camps and the most horrendous slave labor system of the 20th century, in which millions of gentiles and Christians were slaughtered (on the size of the Gulag concentration camp system cf. C. Andrew and O. Gordievsky, KGB: The Inside Story and N.Y. Times, Oct. 22, 1990, p. 82. None of these camps are being preserved for posterity. Most were destroyed long ago by special military brigades; cf. Michael Specter, "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
This was a movement staffed in its upper echelons by Judaic Communists and yet the world is comparatively silent about the holocaust and war crimes this thoroughly kosher system inflicted and the identity of the persons who were its architects.
Auschwitz is on the tip of every tongue but who has heard of Kolyma, Magadan, the Solovetsky islands and the other infernal Soviet centers of human destruction in eastern Siberia? Who has seen films and books about the millions of human beings worked, frozen and starved to death in the construction of the White Sea-Baltic Canal, over which stood a triumphant, colossal statue of the Judaic Communist mass murderer Genrikh Yagoda?
The Judaic Communist epoch of mass murder has disappeared into history in one of the great vanishing acts of all time. Only practiced deceivers, with all the sleight of hand of the most accomplished stage magicians, could pull off such a coup against the rest of humanity. To trick mankind into focusing nearly all expiatory sentiment, monuments and commemoration on Judaic victims and brand the Mark of Cain--the very words war crime and holocaust itself--on Germany and upon Germans alone as their proprietary trademark, must be regarded as one of the most masterful achievements of psychological warfare in the annals of illusion.
Israeli power has expanded commensurate with the expansion of "Holocaust" propaganda, as noted by the Israeli author Moshe Leshem: "Israelis and American Jews fully agree that the memory of the Holocaust is an indispensable weapon--one that must be used relentlessly against their common enemy...Jewish organizations and individuals thus labor continuously to remind the world of it. In America, the perpetuation of the Holocaust memory is now a $100-million-a-year enterprise, part of which is government-funded." ( Balaam's Curse, p. 228)
AIPAC don't want known| 5.27.09 @ 7:30PM
Don't speak about us, we will take away your free speech. This is why, the jewish lie is a mulitmillion dollar a year business to fool you and eventually kill you.
Perpetrators of the holocaust against Christian Russia transform themselves into "survivors" of "the Holocaust"
The portraits above are of the same man but in two different incarnations. On the left we see Martin "Gray" in retirement after a successful career peddling fake antiques to gullible collectors. He is holding his mass market paperback, For Those I Loved, which is filled with his exploits as a saintly "Holocaust Survivor" who was supposedly forced to help clear bodies out of the Treblinka "gas chamber." The earlier portrait on the right is of the youthful Gray as a decorated officer in the Soviet NKVD (the forerunner of the KGB), responsible for the murder of millions of Christians and gentiles in Russia and Eastern Europe. Even Establishment researchers have had to admit that Gray's book is as phony as the antiques he peddled. But Gray's scam is symbolic of countless other Communist ghouls who have managed to land on their feet in the West, disguised as poor, persecuted "Survivors of the Holocaust" and feted as the saints and martyrs of the universe. Meanwhile the holocaust they perpetrated against millions of Christians slips further down the dark environs of Orwell's memory hole.
In chapter 13 of Charles Dickens' Oliver Twist, Dickens notes that Fagin has an inexhaustible supply of props and disguises.
Judaic Communists: The Documentary Record
by Michael A. Hoffman II
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