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The Public Policy
Run Silent, Run Deep
America's "mainstream" media missed it, but April 17 was a red-letter day for its Deep Ecologists. Red letter because it was the day the Obama Administration declared that carbon dioxide and five other gases emitted by industry threaten "the health and welfare of current and future generations." This opens the door to regulations by the Environmental Protection Agency to "cap" emissions. The Deep Ecologists see this as the path to their cherished dream of a less populous nation with greatly reduced industrial production. It will also lead to a poorer (they would call it "simpler") standard of living.
The Deep Ecologists' philosophy came together in 1973 with a treatise by a Norwegian philosopher, Arne Naess. He and his followers disdained the "utilitarian" environmentalists who, up to that time, had been working on clean air or water and saving this or that species. The facts of science and logic were not enough, he believed. They lacked an ethical framework that required deep questioning and commitment. Naess said that humans didn't rank above other creatures. That is, "the right of all forms [of life] to live is a universal right which cannot be quantified. No single species of living being has more of this particular right to live and unfold than any other species."
In this, Naess and his followers resembled the mid-19th century pantheists who believed that all species were interrelated. For example, they called fish, "the finny tribe."
The Deep Ecologists went well beyond this romantic view. In a 1985 book, two of them, W. Devall and G. Sessions, spelled out eight principles the world should live by. Here is Number Four: "The flourishing of human life and cultures is compatible with a substantial decrease of the human population." Number Five reads, "Present human interference with the non-human world (flora and fauna) is excessive, and the situation is rapidly worsening." It leads to Number Six: "Policies must therefore be changed. These policies affect basic economic, technological and ideological structures. The resulting state of affairs will be deeply different from the present."
Whether they admit it or not, most active environmentalists believe in the Deep Ecology thesis that mankind has despoiled the land, misused natural resources, and is greedy and wasteful. (A friend once said of the Sierra Club, "It believes that mankind is but a passing disaster on this planet.")
Deep Ecology has been the underlying drive of Green Parties and the rush to declare Global Warming a coming disaster. This, despite the fact, as Steve Milloy puts it in a new book, "the fatal flaw of global warming alarmism is that there is no scientific evidence indicating that carbon dioxide, much less man-made carbon dioxide emissions, control or even measurably impact global climate." (Green Hell: How Environmentalists Plan to Control Your Life and What You Can Do to Stop Them. Regnery Publishing.)
Global Warming hysteria is based on hypothetical computer models that have never been validated against real world experience. The fact that many scientists accept the hypotheses does not make them true. For that matter, many scientists actively dispute those same hypotheses.
The EPA's license to cap emissions may take some time to play out through such things as a carbon tax ("cap and trade"). Once it does, this would serve another of Obama's objectives, income redistribution. As the carbon tax is imposed on industry, the cost to consumers of most goods and services will go up. The administration would use the tax receipts to provide "rebates" to lower income households to soften the effect.
In time, the coming regimen will decide what kind of car you will drive, what kind of house you live in and what kind of products you'll buy. Congress, in response to pleas from various affected interests, may soften the plan around the edges, but will not stop it in its tracks.
The Deep Ecologists have worked for nearly four decades silently but persistently through many environmental organizations to reach what they consider to be Utopia. You and your neighbors may decide it is more like Hell.
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Melvin| 5.13.09 @ 6:55AM
There is one problem with this ecological flawed philosophy.
The Deep Ecologists want the masses to go back living like we lived in the Stone Age right? Well the first problem that we are going to run into is the Sierra Club because in order to descend into a more primeval social order we have to go back to living in caves.
The Sierra Club and like environmental organizations don't want us to live in caves they want the masses as far away from the environment as possible, so where are we to live?
Since we will no longer have the industrial capacity to make our clothing or produce food on a large scale and we will have to resort as our ancestors did by using animals for food and animal skins for clothing, but this directly contradicts with the philosophy of PETA and the Humane Society.
So the Sierra Club doesn't want us to live off the environment, PETA and the Human Society doesn't want us to use animals for food or clothing, then just what the hell are we supposed to do?
One environmentalist I have forgotten which one, had the perfect solution for what ails the environment. The extermination of humans on a mass scale.
David Mathews| 5.13.09 @ 7:05AM
Peter Hannaford is writing an article for the bottom 21%, the least educated and most scientifically illiterate people in America. If the conservatives want to continue to portray conservativism as politics for uneducated idiots, go ahead ... you people are a minority for a reason.
Peter says ...
* "Whether they admit it or not, most active environmentalists believe in the Deep Ecology thesis that mankind has despoiled the land, misused natural resources, and is greedy and wasteful. "
Humans have made a mess of the Earth. Conservatives are very much in favor of pollution and they would rather live wealthy in a sewer than poor in a healthy environment.
The Republican party's slogan: If you love the sewer, vote Republican!
Then Peter quotes from the oil industry shill, Steve Milloy:
* "the fatal flaw of global warming alarmism is that there is no scientific evidence indicating that carbon dioxide, much less man-made carbon dioxide emissions, control or even measurably impact global climate."
Steve Milloy is a liar. He is paid a lot of money by polluting industries to lie to the bottom 21% of America, the uneducated dregs of conservativism, the anti-science fundamentalists of capitalism.
I read Steve Milloy's book yesterday and he seems to love pollution of all sorts. Steve Milloy wants Americans to live in their own sewer and he promises Americans wealth if they willingly submit to life in a toxic wasteland.
Peter the Idiot then says ...
* "Global Warming hysteria is based on hypothetical computer models that have never been validated against real world experience. The fact that many scientists accept the hypotheses does not make them true. For that matter, many scientists actively dispute those same hypotheses. "
God, conservatives are stupid. Stupid and uneducated. You people are an extremist minority for a reason.
The Republican party is dead.
David Mathews| 5.13.09 @ 7:08AM
Hello Melvin,
* "One environmentalist I have forgotten which one, had the perfect solution for what ails the environment. The extermination of humans on a mass scale. "
Humankind is headed to extinction. The Homo sapiens are not an immortal, eternal species.
By polluting the planet and provoking climate change it is extremely likely that the Homo sapiesn will go extinct.
Given the behavior of humankind, I'd say that our species really does want to go extinct. If you want to live long you must live healthy and our species is anything but healthy.
David "Kitty-Kat" Mathews| 5.13.09 @ 7:27AM
"May the Day Come When All the People of the World Choose to Live in Peace with God, Nature and Humankind.
Until That day Comes I Choose to Live at Peace with All and Refuse to Hate Anyone. "
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I Did, I Did!| 5.13.09 @ 7:33AM
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David Mathews| 5.13.09 @ 7:38AM
I can see that the idiot conservatives wish to demonstrate their idiocy. Poor little conservatives ... do you want to call me on the telephone?
Conservatives cannot handle losing very well. But they are going to have to get used to losing.
Alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 7:41AM
Maybe Mr Mathews could facilitate the demise of the human race by putting himself out of his misery and do us all a favor.
David Mathews| 5.13.09 @ 7:47AM
Hello Alarm,
* "Maybe Mr Mathews could facilitate the demise of the human race by putting himself out of his misery and do us all a favor. "
Conservatives certainly are stupid people. Conservatives demonstrate their stupidity every time they open their mouth.
You people are in favor of suicide and you are in favor of war, torture, pollution and extinction.
Conservatives are suicidal. They've already killed the Republican party!
stu.b.con| 5.13.09 @ 7:54AM
Alarm1201: Yes, it seems to me that in this day and age, what with davey's messiah demanding sacrifice and subjugation, that a genius,er TOOL like davey would want to make the ultimate sacrifice for mother earth and the obamassiah.
davey: I understand their are several websites which explore various methods for making the ultimate sacrifice. Might I suggest a little something in your favorite koolade? I for one would be forever grateful for the opportunity to take advantage of your carbon offsets so I can get an even bigger SUV, keep my house a c0mfortable 70 degrees all year round, add some incandescent lighting around the house, you know generally take advantage of your ignorance in much the same manner as your fearless leader Algore. What do you say, davey?
alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 7:56AM
Good points Mr. Mathews.
I cannot argue with your air tight logic.
You've convinced me, liberals are good, conservatives are bad evil people.
I'm regestering for Kos right now so I can learn more from more people like you.
Love that kool-aid.
David Mathews| 5.13.09 @ 8:01AM
Stu the Idiot says ...
* " I understand their are several websites which explore various methods for making the ultimate sacrifice. Might I suggest a little something in your favorite koolade? I for one would be forever grateful for the opportunity to take advantage of your carbon offsets so I can get an even bigger SUV, keep my house a c0mfortable 70 degrees all year round, add some incandescent lighting around the house, you know generally take advantage of your ignorance in much the same manner as your fearless leader Algore. What do you say, davey? "
I say that you represent the dregs of American civilization, the bottom 21% of uneducated scientifically illiterate losers who are going to lose everything in the years ahead ...
Conservatives believe in suicide. The Republican party has killed itself for their sake!
David Mathews| 5.13.09 @ 8:05AM
Hello Alarm,
* "You've convinced me, liberals are good, conservatives are bad evil people. "
Of course, Alarm, conservatives are evil person. You are a vile, evil, reprehensible, immoral and thoroughly reprehensible human.
The Republican party is dead.
Oh Take Me, You Savage Beast!| 5.13.09 @ 8:07AM
HERE ARE SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM DAVID MATHEWS DAILY KOS DIARY:
• And this sentence:
I think the answer is obvious: Humans would rather go extinct than sacrifice an unhealthy and unsustainable planet-destroying toxic lifestyle.
is gross hyperbole -- and so it goes.
• I share dmathews1's sentiments but (1+ / 0-)
I wish he/she had been less shrill and used less hyperbole. Such passion works to turn people off reading his message,
o What sentiment is that? (0+ / 0-)
that humanity deserves to die? Thats nature is great, but we are shit? And that the idea of any talk of trying to survive, particularly if it involves space development, is not only bad and sinful, but outright terrorism practically?
If someone wants to promote sustainability fine - and if they want to argue that space development can't be part of the solution, then make the arguement and engage people.
But don't sit there with grand pronouncements about how much we suck, how irrelevent we are, and so on, and not actually discuss anything.
YES, EVEN THE JACKASSES THINK HE'S A TOTAL JACKASS.
alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 8:09AM
stu.b.con: you are just stupid. You want babies to die. You want my children to live in sewers so when they expire you can grind up their pus infected organs to sell to third world countries for baby food. You are a pompous-cigar-smoking-cute white-baby-seal-clubbing-fascist. If I believed in God I would say to you – go to He**, but I do not so I just hope you die like the rest of you intellectual morons.
Hey Dave, how did I do? How is my logic? Please read my above rant and offer any advice as to how to tighten my reasoning. I known I am a novice but I look to pros like you to help polish my abilities. Man I never knew deductive reasoning could be so much fun! Thanks Dave!!!
David Mathews| 5.13.09 @ 8:13AM
Hello Oh Take Me,
* "that humanity deserves to die? Thats nature is great, but we are shit? And that the idea of any talk of trying to survive, particularly if it involves space development, is not only bad and sinful, but outright terrorism practically?
If someone wants to promote sustainability fine - and if they want to argue that space development can't be part of the solution, then make the arguement and engage people.
But don't sit there with grand pronouncements about how much we suck, how irrelevent we are, and so on, and not actually discuss anything. "
1. Humankind has chosen to die and in doing so, humankind certainly deserves extinction.
2. Nature is great and Humans are nothing. Humans will learn this lesson with finality soon.
3. Trying to survive either by technology or space development is futile. There is no future for technology and there is no future for humankind in space.
4. Humankind's true place in the Universe is relevant to any discussion of humankind's future. Nature can afford to lose the Homo sapiens and Nature will outlast us.
David Mathews| 5.13.09 @ 8:15AM
Hello Alarm,
* "Hey Dave, how did I do? How is my logic? Please read my above rant and offer any advice as to how to tighten my reasoning. I known I am a novice but I look to pros like you to help polish my abilities. Man I never knew deductive reasoning could be so much fun! Thanks Dave!!! "
My advice to you, Alarm: Get educated. Stop being such a vile, evil, reprehensible human. Learn responsibility. Live at peace.
But it is unlikely that you will follow this advice. The conservatives represent the dregs of American civilization for a reason.
Alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 8:20AM
But it is unlikely that you will follow this advice. The conservatives represent the dregs of American civilization for a reason.
But Dave, I'm not conservative any more. I'm liberal! Can you not tell by they way I rationally put stu.b.com in his place? How my powerful coherent logic left him speachless?
Come on Dave, can you not recognize one of your own. I expected help from you not criticism.
Gordon Gecko| 5.13.09 @ 8:30AM
David,
Any tips the proper preparation of manatee? I say it should be dry-aged, like good waygu beef. Jean-Pierre my Palm Beach chef says wet-aged. What say you?
And hey, while we're at it, any way to speed up that extinction thing? The 'undesiribles' are breeding like cockroaches.
Alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 8:39AM
Gecko: Have you ever tried manatee? I would not recommend it. Too tough like California Condor. When I run over a manatee with my 22 ft yacht I usually wait 5 or 6 hours for it to die then cut the liver out and throw the rest away. Manatee liver is better than any other liver, yes even better than Grizzly Bear liver. Put it on a bed of sea turtle eggs with smoked snail darters and may are you talking some fine victuals!
Gordon Gecko| 5.13.09 @ 8:54AM
Sounds fabulous, Alarm. Fire up the Bertram yacht and motor over to the Dunedin Yacht Club. I' ll drive over in the Bentley- seven liters of aphalt disdaining luxury- let's say seven-ish. I'll call ahead to the chef.
Alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 8:59AM
Gecko: Almost forgot. Make sure you go the last few days of May. Its the height of female Manatee's gestation period. The hormones produced add a special sweetness to the liver.
owyheewine| 5.13.09 @ 9:48AM
Wow I really envy Alarm and Gordon. We up here in western flyover country have to settle for our version of Rocky Mountain Oysters, which we extract from tree hugging, dope smoking sumg leftists.
Alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 10:04AM
owyheewine: its getting tough for all of us fine cuisine lovers. For some reason these endangered species are getting harder to come by. I live in central texas and I cannot remember the last time I had roasted horny toad, indigo snake on a stick or ocelote stew. RMOs sound tasty. Are the from the Bighorn Sheep or domestic?
Big J| 5.13.09 @ 10:07AM
Owyheewine:
Ugh! Rocky mountain oysters? Couldn't bring myself to try them. Just the thought makes my stomach turn.
As for me, I prefer medium-rare kitty cat with Cajun spice, slow smoked with some good hickory. Got the recipe from an Asian friend of mine.
alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 10:12AM
Big J : are you talking about feral or domistic kittens? Where do you get them? I have a have-heart-trap that I am constatly catching ferals. Right now I am feeding them to my python, but if the are edible...
G. Gecko aka Doorgunner et al| 5.13.09 @ 10:25AM
Alarm, a proposed menu:
White Abalone Bisque
Tournedos di Kemp's Ridley with Darter Frittes upon a bed of Florida Golden Aster
Gulf Sturgeon Roe "Fraiche"
Domaine Marc Roy Marsannay blanc Les Champs Perdrix 2006
Dustoff| 5.13.09 @ 10:31AM
Alarm...
Me thinks your having a TAD to much fun. (-:
Alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 10:45AM
G. Gecko aka Doorgunner et al:Please no more, no more. You've ruined my lunch - the Galapagos tortoise fritters I'm having are going to taste as bland as boiled Dik-Dik livers.
Only one thing you forgot. A romantic meal like this needs to be lit by a few candelabras of spermaceti candles.
Just in case| 5.13.09 @ 11:47AM
Everyone should know Davey is a very sensative eco guy... he blogs alot on the subject. One of my most favorite and special passages of his is "...The other praiseworthy attribute of the outside world is the marvelous sky. There's at least a million shades of blue in the blue sky, and I love each and every one. During the day, the blue sky functions as my ceiling, and at night the entire Universe is my home. "
I mean really I am going to memorize that wisdon and repeat to myself as I drive through mother natures vast expanse.
Thank you so much Davey for your or inspiration and wisdom...
How deep and inspiring!
Just in case| 5.13.09 @ 11:47AM
Everyone should know Davey is a very sensative eco guy... he blogs alot on the subject. One of my most favorite and special passages of his is "...The other praiseworthy attribute of the outside world is the marvelous sky. There's at least a million shades of blue in the blue sky, and I love each and every one. During the day, the blue sky functions as my ceiling, and at night the entire Universe is my home. "
I mean really I am going to memorize that wisdon and repeat to myself as I drive through mother natures vast expanse.
Thank you so much Davey for your or inspiration and wisdom...
How deep and inspiring!
Big J| 5.13.09 @ 11:53AM
Must.....stop.....laughing....
Alarm and others: you all owe me a new keyboard!
BTW, feral are a little on the tough side. I especially like the domestic kittys. I've caged a couple of them since they were kittens (you know, like they do with veal?) so they are nice 'n tender. It as an absolute delicacy!
Stop by Davey's website, he's got plenty of pics of these tasty felines. Maybe with a little research, we can find the location of these yummy animals!
Big J| 5.13.09 @ 11:57AM
"...The other praiseworthy attribute of the outside world is the marvelous sky. There's at least a million shades of blue in the blue sky, and I love each and every one. During the day, the blue sky functions as my ceiling, and at night the entire Universe is my home. "
Dude, where can I get some of that good s**t you're smokin'?
Poor little Davey. All of these unintelligent, insignificant conservatives having fun at his expense.
I must say I thoroughly enjoy our new game. It seems to have rid us of him - for a while, anyway!
ROFLMAO!
alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 12:51PM
The question I have is how much time it takes to "love a million shades of blue." As George Carlin asked "what form does that love take?"
Regarding the toughness of the feral cat: that problem can be rectified with a large metal meat tenderizer – the ones with the spiked and flat side. A good fifteen minutes of pounding makes their flesh as tender as porpoise – it takes a while to get use to the cat screaming though and without a good set of welder gloves expect some scratches.
alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 12:58PM
Big J: an idea for those penned kittens. Since you have them immobilized why not daily force feed the 10 times their body weight in Kibble’s-n-Bits. After a month or so you could make some kitty foie gras. That’s something even I would try! Was at a gormet grocery store a few months ago and duck foie gras is around $220/lb. You could make a fortune, if you are able to resist the temeptation of eating it all yourself.
Happy Eating....
John W.| 5.13.09 @ 1:04PM
So...
Anyone got a good recipe for grilled spotted owl?
alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 1:14PM
It depends on the time of year. If its fishing season I use them for chum, if not I make sausage with them.
Big J| 5.13.09 @ 1:24PM
Alarm, you must have one heck-of-a tenderizer for this one:
http://www.geocities.com/dmathew1/
And a pretty large set of stones.
I'm impressed.
alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 1:30PM
No problem - kevlar suit and double the pounding time.
Pingback| 5.13.09 @ 1:44PM
In the News | GlobalWarming.org links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Dr. Chemical| 5.13.09 @ 3:10PM
Now it can be revealed: Dumb Mathews is the hate child of Wanda Sykes and Chris Matthews. He is doing exactly what he was bred to do, spew hate and lies. And yes he used one of his T's for T-bagging! Hate On DM!
alarm1201| 5.13.09 @ 3:56PM
Dr. I disagree! Mathews is not a child. That implies birth and a semblance of humanty. He is a spawn. Things like him are not born; they are propigated like mushrooms.
Marc Jeric| 5.13.09 @ 4:01PM
1) There was first in the 1970's the globaloney cooling scam (see e.g. Newsweek April 28 1975 on the internet); the government-paid scientists (90% of them are rejects of private enterprise) recommended to fight the new ice age by sending our war planes to cover the polar ice with soot in order to increase solar heat and prevent crushing of New York skyscrapers by the new glaciers;
2) When that did not work we had the globaloney warming hoax in the 1990's, proclaimed by mainly the same government-paid scientists (Dr. Hansen of the NOAA, for example); to prevent the massive heating, fires, flooding of coastal cities, disappearance of Florida, California, and Caribbean islands, massive hurrucanes, global famine, and other catastrophic events we should nationalize oil and gas and coal and electricity companies;
3) after 11 years of considerable cooling we are now faced with the climate change flimflam where whatever happens with our climate we should nationalize oil and gas and coal and electricity companies; and why not our banks, car companies while we are at it. To prevent this catastrophe the best vehicle presumably is international agreements enforced by the United Nations world government.
As for the influence of carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas: on a normal day the atmoshere contains 10,000 ppm (parts per million) of water vapor and about 300 ppm of carbon dioxide. The government-paid scientists say that an increase of 100 ppm of CO2 over the next 50 years will result in a catastrophic warming. The thermal absorptivity of water vapor is 4 times larger than that of carbon dioxide; it follows that the CO2 increase will increase the overall thermal absorptivity of the mixture by about 1/4 of one percent. The production of methane from livestock and the swamps (or as the enviro-nazis call those "wetlands") vastly surpasses the influence of CO2.
There is the Global Warming Petition Project (see Internet) where 31,478 US independent scientists declared that there is no anthropogenic (human-caused) global warming; of these 9,029 are scientists with PhD degrees. Our enviro-nazis tried to sabotage this effort by submiiting phony names with phoney degrees - and then claimed the whole effort by the Petition scientists was a fraud. It took us 3 years and a lot of private money to verify the credentials of all the signatories and clean up the Petition of those saboteurs. See also Manhattan Declaration with more such signatories, plus a large number of scientific groups from other countries who state the same.
I am one of these signatories, MS and PhD degrees from UCLA, with majors in thermodynamics and heat & mass transfer.
I think to fight this communist attempt to secure a world government should not be fought on the narrow grounds of more taxes - that is the losing proposition; where about 50% of the population is on some kind of welfare we will always be outvoted. The battle should be fought and won on the firm scientific basis.
SCAM - HOAX - FLIMFLAM!!!
PS. Dailykos and Moveonorg continue to infect these conversations by their invectives and namecalling. This bootomfeeder Mathews is probably a retired union goon, full of hate and bile. How he must have suffered when those functional morons of his, Gore and Kerry, lost!
Michael L. Hauschild| 5.13.09 @ 7:39PM
The trouble with roast spotted owl is that if you do not marinade them enough they end up tasting just like red tailed hawk.
Conrad Spiracy| 5.13.09 @ 8:46PM
Ms. Matthews,
Since you keep railing about the relatively scientific and educational deficiencies of conservatives, without Googling, can you please provide me with your understanding of:
* M1, and the fictitious M1 Multiplier (Econ 101)
* The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (Physics 102)
* The concept of The Black Swan (current Econ debate)
* Basic description of the quantum effects of absorption/release of a quantum of energy upon an electron and the resultant effect
* What a Feynman Diagram is and what it is designed to succintly represent
* The fundamental difference between oxidation/reduction reactions (Chem 101)
* A CONCISE explanation of the Van Allen belt phenomena, what causes it, and what is the resultant effect
* What the Laffer Curve is and how it depticts the effects of taxation (currently in Amerika, what is known as confiscation)
* The source of the phrase "The Greedy Hand" (sympathetic hint: someone the Libs love to cite and honor, but simultaneously degrade - you MIGHT JUST be able to figure out the irony)
* In a nutshell, who the following were: Hayek, Bastiat, John Stewart Mill, Morgantheau (his idea, to which President he expressed it, and the resultant implications), Keynes (and what his core philsophy was), and (a gimme) Rose Friedman (hint: use extended search, but similar philosophy)
* Michael Behe, Richard Dawkins, and their fundamental differences, in 20 words or less
?????????
Go back to your Mommy's basement, snuggle up in your Star Wars jammies, watch The Clone Wars for the 56th time, and come back in about 15 years after you have done just a bit of reading.
DISCLAIMER: To paraphrase the 1980s NPR favorite parody character Dr. Science, "I have an Associate's Degree - in General Studies." BUT I have never stopped learning.
Stupid A$$
Jim| 5.14.09 @ 1:18AM
DM is angry at TAS because no one here will buy his obama and algore commemorative plates.
alarm1201| 5.14.09 @ 8:32AM
Spiracy:Your wasting your time. Asking a liberal such questions is like asking a frog's opinion of the Mona Lisa. Not the right question for a person who loves a million shades of blue. He is too busy making love the the earth and finding his inner porpoise to be bothered by such trivial stuf.
wes| 5.14.09 @ 9:43AM
Anyone have a good recipe for bulltrout?
Hey DM, any truth that liberal girls are easy?
I just can't seem to get past the moustache.
Oh wait, you live in your mom's basement, never mind.
Carbonicus| 5.14.09 @ 2:59PM
Here in Georgia, a conservative feast might include a number of delicacies that other discriminating conservative planet-decimators have failed to note for "Top 79% of Intelligence and Enlightenment Dave Matthews".
The drought of 2007 and 2008 made those purple bankclimber mussels much easier to harvest. They're easier to see when they are above the water line, suffocating (if you listen real closely you can hear them yelling "help").
Likewise, we never had Maryland Terrapin in these parts back in the market hunting days at the turn of the last century, but we're making up for lost time with Gopher Tortoises. When fricaseed in butter and white wine then cooked into a stew, there's nothing like it. Those fortunate enough to live nearby the Georgia coast prefer to use Loggerhead Sea Turtles, but I prefer Gopher Tortoise pesonally. Also, there is great sport for adults in running them over on the highway, and kids in the south learn at a young age to dig them up and drag them home to Mom and Dad behind their bikes. They're so cute when doing so!
Finally, if you didn't know it, caviar from the Shortnosed Sturgeon is some of the finest on the planet.
Will trade good manatee recipes for our GA Gopher Tortoise ones.
Anyone with a good recipe for the Common Gaiarrhea-Mouthed Red-Faced American Eco-Socialist Lemming , please post it here. I have a trip to Dunedin coming up in June, and thanks to the posters on this blog, I now know exactly where to find me one!
OEM Clothes| 5.18.09 @ 3:43AM
I known I am a novice but I look to pros like you to help polish my abilities. Man I never knew deductive reasoning could be so much fun!
B'ton| 5.18.09 @ 8:58AM
Really guys this comments page is a mess- full of petty political insults... how about engaging/critiqueing the actual article??
As a Brit I am unbias in terms of what party wrote this, I just wanted to say one thing....
Mr. Hannaford your depiction of the philosophy of Deep Ecology and writings of Arne Naess is hopelessy incorrect. Deep Ecology is about grassroots lifestyle changes not a "shallow" reform ethic- capping emission from government. To the deep ecologist climate change is only a symptom of human relationship with the environment... not a campaign unto itself.
The deep ecologist message is simple:
BALANCE not GREED.
Seems to me you have done a skimp read of the first far-out environmentalist philosophy you came across. Then you have tried messilly here to use it to justify your desperately out-of-date denial of the simple laws of climate science.
PS. The eight-point platform was composed by NAESS and Session not Devall and Sessions.
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Cooler Heads Digest 15 May 2009 | GlobalWarming.org links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Karl J. Hansen| 8.24.09 @ 3:05PM
Marc Jeric, I love your comment, going strait to the heart of the matter. If just way more people could see it as clearly as you, then we (and the politicians) could concentrate about genuine quality of life for both rich and poor. Sadly most AGWs call their arguments scientific; goes for well educated people too. They prioritize their social-political goals so hight, that they have no shame digging up all sorts of scientific nonsense. Why did you guys elect Obama? He did announce his egotistic way of never listening to other ideas than his own. I read the book "An Audacity of Hope" where he has an unbelievable belief in himself). My otherwise great hero Arnold of California, has already shown the way to bankrupt one of the richest states on the planet. I have worked in Silicon Valley from time to time in the past. Back in 1983 I couldn't drive along Highway One because a huge landslide had removed the road over a many mile stretch. Back then it was due to natural causes, but had it been today?
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