Liberals want to torture Sean Hannity. Interpreting amnesty advocates. The EU is too big. Plus more.
LIBERAL IS AS LIBERAL DOES
W. James Antle,
III’s Amnesty
Again:
I would like to clarify comments attributed to me that were
mischaracterized in the article “Amnesty Again,” by W. James
Antle, III, on May 11, 2009. I originally told The Miami
Herald, from which I am cited, that Esther Olavarria could
be expected to “fight tooth and nail” for an immigration reform
package that would be more fair and humane — NOT “for more
liberal immigration laws.” The article is incorrect to suggest
such an interpretation.
— Cheryl Little
Executive Director, Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center
Miami, Florida
W. James Antle III
replies:
Actually, the Miami Herald article, as reproduced on the website
of Ms. Little’s organization, says Olavarria would fight “tooth
and nail” for “a reform package that will lead to more normal
lives for immigrants.” Since the second part is a paraphrase
rather than a direct quote, I’m happy to see Ms. Little’s views
stated in her own words. I’m also confident that her idea of a
“more fair and humane” immigration reform would be regarded as a
liberalization of immigration policy by most Americans.
TORTURE HANNITY
Re: Mark Hyman’s Obama’s
Tortured Logic:
Hey, I’m eagerly awaiting Sean Hannity’s long-term time on the
plank water boarding experience, especially with Keith
Olbermann promising $1,000/second. When’s Hannity gonna take
the plunge, so to speak, and put his mouth where his brain
oughta be?
— Bill Neill
Conroe, Texas
A few more thoughts:
“Waterboarding is on par with the 9/11 attacks? Nope. Don’t see it. No matter how hard the New York Times tries, there is no moral equivalency between the two.” Another favorite comparison given is Nazi Germany killing millions of people because of their religion — yeah, I don’t really see the comparison there either.
“In fact, water boarding is so “horrific” that the four military services have used it for years in their search, evade, resistance and escape training for aircrew and special forces personnel”
In fact — according to liberals, like Keith Olbermann, who want to be able to get on their moral high horse at any opportunity they can — waterboarding is so horrific and equates to torture, however they are calling for the waterboarding of Sean Hannity simply because he mentioned in an interview that he’d be willing to do it. So, let me get this straight. Waterboarding is so disgusting, vile, torturous, and inhumane for known terrorists, BUT let’s campaign for Hannity to do it! Anyone see the warped thinking here?
It all feels very “the emperor’s new clothes” to me.
— Nora
I would like repeat an expression offered by one of the commentators about the article (S.L. Toddard, 5.11.09@7;46AM): “Neo-Con Warriors.” As far as I’m concerned these types of articles are written to appeal to Neocons, who, for the most part have never served in the military, let alone fought in a war. They’re the types who actually think the series “Twenty-Four” is an accurate depiction.
The importance of this fact is that if they’d actually been subjected to some of this training, they’d understand that it was just that — training. They’d understand that it would have been different in intensity if it were used on an alleged enemy. They’d also understand there’s a difference between subject a person to this kind of treatment for a few days, and a few weeks, months, or years.
Maybe if the author would try it, he wouldn’t think it such a
walk in the park, and wouldn’t write such trash. And, maybe you
wouldn’t publish such garbage — even though it seems to fit your
agenda.
— Tad Farrand
I went through the Air Force Survival Training School many years ago. In its early days survival training was designed to prepare us pilots for the torture used by earlier North Korean interrogators. At the time it was frightening. While water boarding was not yet used, many of the current techniques still are. I can recall being buried in a coffin in a shallow grave, stuffed into a contorted position within a small locker, kept awake through the night by loud noise and, as a goodbye gesture, having hair pulled out of my chest.
No question that it was scary but we all lived through it. One idea was clear in the process: the interrogator had to keep you alive to gain the information they wanted. It turned out in those days they wanted us to confess to “conducting germ warfare.”
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Big J| 5.12.09 @ 8:13AM
Tad Farrand:
When you quoted S. L. Toddard, you stripped yourself of any credibility you might have otherwise had. The particular verbal attack that you quoted was aimed directly at me, and was way off base.
Willing to go to great lengths to protect the citizens of this country (myself included) does not make one a "Neocon Armchair Warrior" as Toddard put it, nor does it indicate a "sick need to feel macho".
My hope for the left in this country is for the name-calling and ridiculous smears to stop. You cannot be taken seriously on any point as long as it is more important to slander someone than explain by stating facts.
Furthermore, I invite you to take a trip back in time with me and many other Americans that have not forgotten the brutal murder of innocent CIVILIANS on September 11, 2001.
I recall many people literally jumping out from 80 stories up, wishing to die from falling than to be burned alive.
I recall many members of the NYPD and FDNY eager to sacrifice their lives in order to save another.
I remember the absolute hatred I felt for the perpetrators of this horrendous crime against the innocent. Hatred is a strong word, and I reserve it for situations such as September 11th. That hatred has not dissipated over the last 7 1/2 years. Nor has their hatred for us dissipated.
American citizens who believe in conservative principals are not your enemy, contrary to the way you treat us. We ALL want to go to work, protect our families, volunteer, donate, etc.
It's a shame to have to remind an American citizen who the REAL enemy is.
Consider yourself reminded, whether or not you choose to remember.
Angel| 5.12.09 @ 10:29AM
Tad's a typical liberal bleater--always the first to whine when his country successfully prevents terrorist attacks, and always the first to scream in outrage when it doesn't. Can't please wimpy losers like him; stopped trying a long time ago.
lila| 5.12.09 @ 7:46PM
It seems that to think that waterboarding is torture, but aborting unborn babies by using a saline solution to burn their skin off, tear arms and legs off, suck their brains out, etc., is justified, is just breathtaking. Now that is real torture, oh, I forgot, they aren't human, so they can feel nothing?(chicken?alien?blobs?) so who cares about them, as long as we don't make the terrorists suffer. If abortion is not so bad, we could just abort the terrorists on the battlefield, it would be acceptable and that would solve the problem. I vote for that.
ruth| 5.12.09 @ 7:48PM
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