Another Perspective
The Ordinary American
Joe the Plumber versus the elite consensus that would shut him up.
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Therefore, the Toledo plumber unabashedly shares his honest opinion and if you disagree, fine. It never occurs to Joe Wurzelbacher that speaking bluntly about homosexuality might offend anyone. Like he says, he has gay friends and they know where he stands – and it doesn’t really bother them because (brace yourself for a shock) some Ordinary Americans are gay.
Ordinary Americans may be Democrats or Republicans or neither. They may be gay or straight, black or white, Hispanic or Asian. They may be rich or poor, but most are somewhere in the broad middle. They don’t define themselves by the categories of ideology or identity politics that are so important to the elite. In Ohio, it matters more whether you cheer for the Reds or the Indians than whether you’re liberal or conservative.
Why do I relate more easily to guys like Joe Wurzelbacher than to the elites who condemn him? Maybe it’s because I spent most of my life far from Washington, D.C., where nobody cared about my opinions. Maybe it’s because my family and friends — my truck-driving brothers, my childhood buddy the school cafeteria supervisor, my sister-in-law the dental hygienist – are so much like Joe.
The ironic point is that a guy like Joe the Plumber doesn’t care the least what you or I think of him. He doesn’t care whether we like him or not. He is proudly independent and unafraid to speak his mind. He is that extraordinary individual, the Ordinary American.
About the Author
Robert Stacy McCain is co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of Donkey Cons: Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party (Nelson Current). He blogs at The Other McCain.
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Bill| 5.7.09 @ 7:22AM
Davey my boy wonder.. seems like you represent everything you mention in the above post.. angery and a bigot. Long ago we threw out the PC junk, the belief in man made global warming and being concerned about all the crisis and fear from the looney libs.
We speak our mind and do what we like.
By the way the tea parties I observed were not all made up of senior citizens. There were some hot looking young ladies there. You should have been there :)
Bram| 5.7.09 @ 7:33AM
I never read DM's idiotic comments, but in this instance his comment is the perfect ending to the article. He proves true every argument Mr. McCain made. I would certainly rather work with or live next to Joe Wurzelbacher than DM.
Appleby| 5.7.09 @ 7:47AM
As the average age in North America is now 40, not 14, the drive to be Popular is fading -- at last. I recall Daddy quoting frequently the old saying that it is necessary to do right, it is not necessary to be happy about doing right. And that popularity is only necessary if you are running for Miss Congeniality or public office.
One of the reasons that people are foresaking the Church of Whats Happening Now for the Catholic Church is that people have firm, fixed views on right and wrong and they/we like a church that has the guts to stand up and support them. Incidentally, that is why the fury at Notre Dame, where Popularity is still trumping Truth. No one is required to belong to the Catholic Church; nevertheless, people who DO belong are required to follow the teachings thereof. The door opens out as well as in; if you do not like the teachings, you need to not let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
I have my beliefs and I stick to them. And if the Popular Kids do not like me, well that is their loss.
P.S. Clearly the Dave Thing is under 21. What a sad creature it is.
Melvin| 5.7.09 @ 7:48AM
The elites and it doesn't matter where they reside have this condescending view of regular people as, inbred toothless overall wearing barefoot hayseeds that cling to bible and guns.
After having dealings in Washington D.C. a number of times I developed the opinion that the place oozed with seediness of a cheap porn novel, with people that don't look you square in the eye.
Caravans of black Suburban's go crashing through the city with sirens and lights and former college cheerleaders who now work for the pharmaceutical lobby part the waters with their stiletto heels to allow the great Pharaohs to pass unseen behind darkened bulletproof glass.
If people like Joe don't have a suitcase full of cash they won't even get the time of day from the political elite, because it isn't representative government that runs through Washington D.C. veins, but rather nice green, crisp untraceable fistfuls of the filthy lucre that will give you an audience.
CS Lewis| 5.7.09 @ 8:02AM
The only one dying from within is... Davy.
Pity is he doesn't know it.
Kitty| 5.7.09 @ 8:06AM
We just had a new roof put on our home. A 7-man crew worked 3 very long days stripping the old roof and completely rebuilding a new one.
All of these men were hard working; a couple 'appeared' to fit the description of "uneducated, ignorant, semi-literate American bigot."
One of these men struck up a conversation with me while he was taking a break. I steer clear of politics in public, especially with strangers. However, this man wasn't shy about voicing his opinions -- like how the president handled the Chrysler business. "Sounds like blackmail to me." I doubt he listens to talk radio since he's working at the time. And yet he was very well informed on various subjects.
The owner of the roofing business told me he can't re-hire his full crew because of the economy. "My business right now is steady but down."
He said he's worried about his business because of the taxes Obama will impose on him. "The business brings in more than $150,000 a year, but I sure don't!"
...
Darin| 5.7.09 @ 8:11AM
I find it humorous that David Mathews provides such a real-life example of what this article describes. Whining, calling names, pointing fingers, and making noise.
As to his attitude regarding people like Joe Wurzelbacher, he obviously holds them in contempt. Perhaps he doesn't know how many plumbers, electricians, carpenters, mechanics, and construction works are just like Joe. Hopefully Mr. Mathews will have the good sense not to make his views known the next time he needs work done on his house or car.
Interested Conservative| 5.7.09 @ 8:12AM
21%? Huh?
Will Fisher| 5.7.09 @ 8:29AM
I don't get on the spectator site all that often, but everytime I do, it seems that this David Mathews has a comment on virtually every article. He must have alot of spare time on his hands while most of us are out working.
Robin WIlliamson| 5.7.09 @ 8:55AM
Just a stupid conservative wondering WHY David Matthews is so angry? His side won, we conservatives are supposedly wondering in the wilderness and declining into non-existence. I would think he would be happy as a lark, but apparently we can't even have an opinion on a conservative website. Seems to me the intolerance is all on one side!
Ran| 5.7.09 @ 9:04AM
RSM,
I'm enjoying a wee bit of schadenfreude watching the "elites" make twits of themselves. The Inquisition against Wurzelbacher, like the cheap-shots against Palin and Prejean are driving a great number of us away from "elite" traffic.
"It never occurs to Joe Wurzelbacher that speaking bluntly about homosexuality might offend anyone." Odd, it never occurs to the Left that their expressed opinions are, to conservatives, often stupid and offensive. Yet their "sensitivity" to the "feelings of others" doesn't seem to attenuate their shrill gharbazh.
"The ironic point is that a guy like Joe the Plumber doesn’t care the least what you or I think of him. He doesn’t care whether we like him or not." That's got to completely annoy people such as Chris Matthews. Self-esteem is not something one gets from others' opinions. Our former "elites" don't understand that Rush wouldn't respond to a confab of the "100 Most Influential" because Rush does not give a damn what the other 99 think of him.
Yes! "[Joe Wurzelbacher] is proudly independent and unafraid to speak his mind. He is that extraordinary individual, the Ordinary American"
Doorgunner| 5.7.09 @ 9:10AM
David Mathews,
I'm so stupid (and racist, and ignorant, and a marginalized bottom 21 percenter). I just realized one can peruse the titles of articles for the day and easily predict where your taunts will appear. You aren't really Charles Johnson, are you?
Anyhoo, instead of entering a pointless pissing contest, I'd just like to ask why your scintillating, educated, nuanced intellect has nothing for the opener, you know, the article about school vouchers for disadvantaged children trapped in crappy public schools. Let's talk about Malia and Sidwell Friends and who's getting the boot. And why. Please, give us the principled stance.
Appleby| 5.7.09 @ 9:14AM
Calling oneself an 'elite' is not going to make one an 'elite' -- just as in high school these same kids calling themselves 'popular' did not make anybody like them.
I recall Johnny Carson saying once that there are two things to do when you see a streaker: point and laugh. I think that might work on the average 'elite' too.
P.S. of course the Matthews Thing has lots of spare time. He is waiting for someone to come to his Mama's front door with a job for him that will use his skills obtained in getting his B.A. in Gender Identity in Rock and Roll, or perhaps a position in the Court of King Zero. However, if he wants a position as Court Jester, he'll have to get a whole lot funnier.
Motown Mike| 5.7.09 @ 9:17AM
Great writing, Melvin.
Tim| 5.7.09 @ 9:38AM
I recall the abjectly pathetic John McCain of last fall desperately trying to connect with conservatives by salting every second sentence with Joe the Plumber blah blah.
If you believe that Joe represents a latter day "silent majority" ready to step in and topple the Obama regime, you are kidding yourselves.
If we want to attract votes we have to come up with better candidates than septuagenerian Senators who flail about invoking " Joe the Plumber! Joe the Plumber!".
Jack | 5.7.09 @ 9:49AM
Remember about the conservative elites that thought "Joe" or any like him were too "pointed" in their comments towards The One. Many elites on this side, CEO's, etc were very quick to condemn not playing along. It may not be incorrect to say we have declined in number. How many bank CEO's would stand up for Joe now?
Crusader| 5.7.09 @ 9:55AM
RSM, just a slight correction. UCMJ = UNIFORM Code of Military Justice.
:)
Bud| 5.7.09 @ 10:13AM
Making a caricature of one's self takes consistent, if ill-spent, effort. Self-loathing is something that should be done in private, without histrionics.
It is unclear whether the multiple examples on this same thread are evidence of iteration or recursion.
The local Troll-In-Chief-who-shall-not-be-named provides a cautionary example for us all. Be ye of good cheer and try to ignore the poor soul.
Anthony| 5.7.09 @ 10:34AM
Mr. McCain, you said it all when you said we only have a right to "their opinion". That is the crux of where we are as Americans today. The elite ruling class and the leftist intelligencia are today's American oligarchy.
Each day, these folks continue to compress the accepted universe of ideas and thoughts. This co-ordinated attack on the Republican Party, that the media have recently engaged in, is just another example of the marginalization of thought outside the hegemony of the Left.
The children of the '60s have become the fascists they chanted about as they pranced around the campus, lo those many years ago. The "liberators" have become the oppressors; once again history has repeated itself. Soon, we on the Right will replay history as well. Ms. Napolitano please take notice.
Musterion| 5.7.09 @ 10:48AM
2 Points.
1) Why do people keep feeding the troll ?
2) A common mistake many people make is to confuse formal education with intelligence. Joe the plumber may not be "highly educated" in the formal sense of having college degrees, but it appears to me that he is highly intelligent and is self educated. Perhaps, he reads alot.
William| 5.7.09 @ 11:24AM
David Matthews, you are such a stellar example of the seething, frustrated Pol Pot that resides in the heart of every dedicated leftist.
Utopians always hate dissenters and if unchecked resort to jailing and ultimately murdering them.
I suggest you submit your application for the postion of commissar ASAP, as the Soros Administration will be a fleeting one.
Great article about real America, great foil from the twisted, malevolent left - courtesy of David Matthews.
Sweet irony.
Dai Alanye | 5.7.09 @ 11:41AM
An interesting sidelight of the encounter between Joe-the-plumber and Barack-the-fraud is that it began to refute the claim of the candidate's intellect. First, it showed that BO doesn't think well on his feet, a fact further illuminated by all the ers and ums and circumlocutions he displays when dealing with a question for which he has no rehearsed answer.
Second—for me at least—it started a reduction of the estimate of his IQ. Like most, I initially accepted the "fact" that he was intelligent beyond measure, a view that the media still subscribe to. This was buttressed by his thoughtful demeanor, his previous employment as a "professor" of constitutional law, and his authorship of a quite literate (if boring) book, Dreams From My Father.
Except… Except his apparent thoughtfulness seems primarily a delaying tactic while he attempts to conjure up an answer. Except he was no professor but a non-tenured lecturer, who does not yet seem to understand the Constitution. Except that his book is almost certainly the product primarily of an editor.
There are only two bits of writing by BO that are absolutely his and undoubtedly not edited. They are "modern" poetry, meaning that they neither rhyme nor scan nor make much sense. All modern poetry of this stripe is bad, of course, as evidenced by the pathetic poetess who read at his inauguration. His two poems, however—written in college—are of a particular order of badness that makes them embarrassing not only to Obama but to the person who forces himself to read them.
He doesn't know foreign affairs, he obviously doesn't know economics, and he doesn't know how to pass the legislation he supposedly wants, handing this off to the Dems in Congress. What the heck does he know other than how to get elected? He no longer strikes me as highly intelligent, even though he's probably brighter than his VP, along the order of Al Gore and John Kerry.
For first uncovering BO's lack of intellect, I congratulate Joe-the-plumber.
Hermit| 5.7.09 @ 11:50AM
RSM I enjoyed the article. .
Joe the plumber may or may not be the best example of the pillar of our society the "Ordinary American"
Mc Cain's pathetic use of him as a campaign prop did more to reveal his inability to connect with the voters of his base, than it did to bolster his credentials.
One the other hand what is revealed in this is that the elites and their minions have established a ‘consensus’ of ‘acceptable’ thought and beliefs and then they aggressively seek to drive anyone who does not adhere from the public square. They not only drive from the square but they seek to destroy personally professionally and financially.
Look at the energy put into trying to marginalize the Plumber when he first spoke up, look at the ongoing effort to marginalize Palin, or Miss California, or frankly anyone who dare disagree with the established ‘consensus.
Look at the energy being put into driving readers from this board. There are several who come here with the purpose of so disrupting ,that they drive interested thoughtful contributes away. Their goal is to disrupt and silence.
The never ending scream is becoming more than a little tiresome. It is vile and it is dangerous it is an assault on our basic freedoms.
Our freedom to express political views is being undermined. Outright fraud and deception are being used to diminish our voting rights.
I am of the productive class if you will, I own my own business. I employ people. My entire life has been about identifying and overcoming obstacles, getting the job done. Many of the people the elites disparage are from this same class. We produce things, we make things happen rather than make excuses. We look at a problem access our options and then take action. I have what I have not by any gift of another but by virtue of getting up every day and doing what needed to be done.
I point this out to highlight the risk I think that is being misunderstood or ignored by our adversaries. We are accustomed to getting things done; we look at a problem access our options and take action. In the political context this has significance. If you take or limit my freedom of speech and expression, if you take or marginalize my right to vote, If you take my property and possessions to spread the wealth around I and my class are not accustomed to sitting around and complaining. We are accustomed to analyzing problems accessing options and taking action.
I am growing weary of being told to shut up, disparaged and maligned. I am tired of a government that acts directly against my interests. I am tired of the ever increasing demands of the unproductive segment of our populations that feels it is entitled to a greater share of the fruits of my labor than I or my children or grand children. I am beyond tired of people who’s every imaginable urge and impulse is unrestrained by moral compass or self restraint and engage in any and all manner of abhorrent behavior and demand that I accept their choices as right and normal and if I do not the defect is somehow in me.
I can adjust how much risk I take and how many people I employ based on the return I receive, I and many like me will.
When you limit my speech, erode my right to vote and take my property I refer you to the preamble of the Declaration of Independence, and remind you that I am of a class that analyses a problem, accesses options and takes actions.
DON"T TEAD ON ME!
Robert McClain| 5.7.09 @ 12:05PM
David Matthews and his ilk need to remember what happened the French elites who oppressed the common Frenchman. Perhaps the time has come for more people to take up knitting, greasing the axles on tumbrels, and sharpening the elite's focus on the blade that will cut off their rights to life, liberty, and their narcissistic pursuits.
Son Of Sam | 5.7.09 @ 12:05PM
I have only one thing to say to all the politically correct "beautiful people" out there:
THERE'S A LOT MORE OF US THAN THERE WILL EVER BE OF YOU
You've worn out your welcome,and our patience with you is at an end. So back off now, while you still have the chance to do so gracefully. Unless you wanna end up on the wrong end of a pitchfork rebellion.
stay strong until freedom dawns
Son Of Sam
http://www.geocities.com/samadamssos
seeker| 5.7.09 @ 12:21PM
Robert McClain, Son of Sam and others:
It is not for you to impose the death penalty on people whose views you find offensive. They just might find you offensive. We still something in this country called rule of law.
You seek to wield the blade of death? Move to Iran.
Gary| 5.7.09 @ 12:51PM
Well Mr. Matthews, I have a history degree, a juris doctor degree in law, & read extensively so I am educated, but guys like Joe the plumber have my respect. Most of my friends & family are Joe types. My dad was a RR brakeman. I have no hatred for gays but I don't think it's normal nor do I think it should be celbrated or glorified. "Gay pride?" What is that? People are proud of sexual proclivities best kept in the bedroom? It's all very silly & childish. Now we are bigots for opposing gay marriage, & favoring the age old institution of traditional marriage? Marriage was not institued to dis gays. It was instituted to provide for an orderly society & to promote the rearing of children. To change it's definition just to promote gay couples, life style trivilizes it just as all the shacking up that is acceptable today. You go Joe. Matthews is entitled to his biased opinions, but so am I.
Hermit| 5.7.09 @ 12:56PM
I think their reference is not to a blade of death so much as to a revolution......
The rule of law is an interesting reference. For clarity might I ask to which rule of law are you referring.
That rule as set forth in the constitution and bill of rights which defines and limits the actions of the central government and reserves rights to the states and citizens. Or that rule of law from the living constitution that changes according to the whims and fancies of the federal courts that know no such bounds, as best illustrated by the likes of Ginsberg and the reported front runner to replace Souter Sonia Sotomayor?
The oppression of fiat from the bench is no less onerous than that applied by the elites. The assault on our rights and liberties is most aggressively advanced through the courts under the banner of ‘the rule of law’. For decades now what could not be advanced through the legislative process has been undemocratically forced upon this country by judicial activism in the courts under that lying banner. Rights of private property, speech, assembly due process, search and seizure all have been dangerously eroded in the name of the rule of law.
I think in the latter sense the ‘rule of law’ has lost much of its original meaning
Whether you seek to scream me into silence or implement your oppression from the bench through the ‘rule of law’ as expressed in the ‘living constitution’ my right to redress is not altered.
DON”T TREAD ON ME
That rule as set forth in the constitution which imits the actions of the central government and reserves rights to the states and citizens
Anthony| 5.7.09 @ 1:05PM
What's the matter seeker, it appears you're breaking out in a sweat. It's o.k. for the Left to shove its agenda down our throats without any concern for the rule of law, and by attempting to make conservativism a crime, that appears to be just fine with you, but when the Right starts to assert itself, hold on there, you guys have got to be nice to us and play by the rules, no nasty rough stuff like the blade.
Well, seeker, too damn bad, actions have consequences, and when the Left finally pushes too far and too hard, which it will, the reaction from the Right will not be pretty. Remember, our great Founding Fathers created the most egalitarian form of government know to humankind, but it all started with violence, guns and bloodshed.
Have a nice day, and do keep looking over your shoulder, we'll be right behind you.
Michael L. Hauschild| 5.7.09 @ 1:26PM
Basing an article on the implied premise that homosexuality is symbiotic with pedophilia or contagious is poor journalism. Joe (and McCain) had better forgo the "Sh*t runs downhill and payday is Friday" level of social commentary, and hope that the paramedic, doctor, nurse or fireman they may have to someday rely on to save their children is not gay, or if gay and after reading the article has more compassion then they exhibit.
Bilwick| 5.7.09 @ 1:27PM
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Joe is absolutely reprehensible and benighted in his homophobia. What do his "enlightened" and "progressive" critics offer? Power-lust, a sadomasochistic love of coercion, ressentiment-pandering, legalized plunder, --all the retrogressive baggage of the 21st century Cult of the State. However unenlightened homophobia is, at least homophobes (except the coercive ones, like Islamofascists) aren't putting guns to people's heads or lifting their wallets. To paraphrase JeffersonL Homophobia qua homophobia neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
SRPaquette| 5.7.09 @ 1:48PM
Please stop responding to what DMathews has to write, he is an indoctrinated half-wit, not worthy of a comment. We the people, who have sense, will have to seperate ourselves from hate mongering politically correct leaders who only care about living on the goverment dole and will say anything and whore themselves to the top bidder. Obama included he's in pubic housing too. Why in the Hell does DM veiw this site, didn't he get his stimulus check, a new car, and affortable housing, or does he live outside Tax-a-chusettes. God bless this site, not D Mathews.
Joe| 5.7.09 @ 2:54PM
Obviously not only is Davey (Obama) stupid. He must not have a steady job. He has so much time on his hands to lie about so much 21%, Global comfort, evolution stupidity, our rights to think or speak our mind, etc. What a shame he is waisting his life and our time.
Stan Redmond| 5.7.09 @ 2:55PM
NOT ONLY do the elites allow us to agree with their opinions they actively subsidize those who share their opinions. Look at the shameful act Kerry is promoting to bail out the newspaper business. The NYT and the like have so thoroughly smooched the democrat elite backside the stink rubs off on their papers. No one wants to read their garbage
Virgil Caine| 5.7.09 @ 3:18PM
We are now entitled to have their opinion and they are entitled to have our hard-earned money. What could be more fair?
Big J| 5.7.09 @ 3:32PM
Hermit,
I walk in your shoes, brother. I feel the same way and know of many others that do too.
Besides: if "The tree of liberty" were to be refreshed, who would you want on your side? Obama, Reid, Pelosi and eh-hum, Dave Mathews?
Personally, I would take Joe the Plumber, John the electrician, Hermit the (fill in the blank) Sarah the moose hunter, and the other millions upon millions of producers that reside in this great country of ours any day!
Curtis Rasmussen| 5.7.09 @ 5:58PM
Thank you moderator for the troll purge. Please purge all subsequent posts from the troll.
I once again ask that no one respond to the troll's taunts. It's pointless to argue with a child.
swami| 5.7.09 @ 6:50PM
This article is right on. I've got a friend who, while reasonable on most issues, has fallen under the sway of the global warmaphobes. He will not accept ANY questioning or criticism of the "settled science" of global warming. It's just fact, and that's all there is to it. My friend has gone so far off the edge that he has recently begun insulting my religious faith, reasoning that one who believes in God must also believe in global warming...because "there's scientific proof of global warming, and not of God." He's quickly becoming a former friend.
kmichaels| 5.7.09 @ 6:55PM
I remember reading a study a few years ago that showed that based on per capita, a gay male was up to 400 percent more likely to be a pedophile compared to the average male. The leftists quickly stated that we have a lot more regular pedophiles than gay pedophiles. That is true, however, a single gay person is 400 percent more likely to be a pedophile than a straight person. This study was done by gays, but they did not understand that the per capita reading made gays look quite bad. The gays used the study to show that more straights (total) were pedophiles. But, once again, reality showed that gays were worse, as individuals, in committing more pedophile acts. Not just that, but when a gay turned out to be a pedophile, they tended to have many more victims, individually, than a straight pedophile. So, I agree. It is sheer stupidity to want to have a gay around children. Just playing the odds.
kmichaels| 5.7.09 @ 7:03PM
Now, from a biblical perspective. Setting aside any Old Testament writings, the New Testament comes to this conclusion about gays. Mind you, before I write that part, being gay is one of many sins. Adultery, thievery, lying, hating, etc is also sins. With many others. But, on the gay issue, the Christian scriptures make it very clear that being gay is a sin "worthy of death". I must note that the understanding at that time was worthy of spiritual death, meaning a permanent separation from the Kingdom of God. Now, for the key scriptures. One needs to read Romans 1. It calls gays vile, unnatural, anti-God, inventors of evil things, reprobate, self-serving, backbiters, proud and finally worthy of death. From a societal standpoint, there is no good to be had with the gay lifestyle. Statistically they are prone to suicide, usually angry (if we can judge by the vocal gays) then tend to have more partners and they tend to be more prone to having deadly diseases. So yes, many Americans do not look kindly upon the gay lifestyle. Also, however, a Christian is taught to hate the sin but love the sinner. But that does not mean we invite them in to visit with the kids. That would just be really dumb.
Old Texican| 5.7.09 @ 7:10PM
Hi guys
Old Stacy McCain hits another one out of the park today. (Thank you sir.)
I did notice the deletion of a post from DM, but heck, he does provoke fun jokes...what the hey?
Green Eagle | 5.7.09 @ 8:12PM
"Joe the Plumber" is not named Joe and he is not a plumber. At this point in his life, he is a paid spokesman for Republican positions, and never says anything that is inconsistent with those positions. That makes him about as far from a normal American as Dick Cheney.
Ran| 5.7.09 @ 8:31PM
Gangrene Birdie...
Cheney seems pretty normal to most Americans. As does Joseph Wurzelbacher. As for the Repubes... if ONLY the liberal me-too weasels such as those who run the Party agreed with Joe!
Whenever you hear or read "Green", folks, just think rotting. Think sick. That is what the EnviroFascist Movement has become... a rotting limb that should be amputated and buried.
Norman Conquest| 5.7.09 @ 8:56PM
Uneducated, ignorant and semi-literate? Throw in "stupid and uninformed" and you have your typical Obama supporter. Take a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8
Alan Brooks| 5.7.09 @ 11:41PM
um, Joe the former Plumber is now a celebrity, not an ordinary person.
Joe WAS an ordinary person...
Alan Brooks| 5.7.09 @ 11:46PM
Again, Joe WAS an ordinary person...
Alan Brooks| 5.8.09 @ 12:41AM
even JSM can't see that Joe is now an elitist.
Robert McClain| 5.8.09 @ 5:47AM
Seeker, move to Britain.
George True| 5.8.09 @ 8:36AM
Hmmm.....instead of being entitiled to our own opinion we are now entitled only to THEIR opinion. That about says it all, doesn't it? RSM has coined a real phrase. And not because it's clever (which it is) but because it's absolutely true. Whatever happened to the liberal of thirty or forty years ago who used to say, "I may disagree with your point of view, but I will defend with my life your right to say it."? Oh, that's right. It wasn't the liberals who used to say that, it was conservatives.
The battle lines have been drawn. The leftists who by fraud and through massive law-breaking are now running our government would be only too happy to see any of us who dare to speak out against them ruined financially and/or haled into prison for doing so. Ideologically, there is little difference between them and infamous leftists such as Pol Pot, Ceausesceu, Kim Jong Mentally-Ill, et al. It would not trouble them from a moral standpoint to have the more outspoken among us rounded up and put in re-education camps. The only thing that prevents them from attempting it is that pesky little 2nd Amendment.
While the Dims are no doubt appalled about it, I on the other hand am quite comforted by the massive run on long guns and ammo over the last six months or a year. This is the ultimate check and balance built into our Constitution. Having the absolute means of massive armed insurrection is what insures that it will (probably) never come to that. But where the battle must be joined is in the arena of ideas (to steal a phrase from Rush) in every one of our daily lives, with everyone we regularly come into contact with.
Joe the Plumper| 5.9.09 @ 1:05AM
“I've had some friends that are actually homosexual,” Wurzelbacher said. “And, I mean, they know where I stand, and they know that I wouldn’t have them anywhere near my children.”
Yeah, great friends you have there Dickface. They hate you too. I guarantee it.
JoeBlowsTeabaggers| 5.9.09 @ 1:09AM
Joe the Plumber is an Ordinary American, someone whose existence is lived outside the world where elite opinion is ubiquitous and omnipotent.
LMAO! But he's trying his best to wring out a few dollars. You remember his one dollar poll? Are you experienced? If you actually paid Joe a dollar he thanks ya! This is a pathetic moron who is just spouting talking points. He would probably agree wtih me.
Lila| 5.9.09 @ 4:05AM
Most of the people that voted for Obama seem to have this anger problem. Have you noticed? They were angry when Bush was in control and even angrier now. What gives? It used to be Bush Derangement Syndrome, now it is just derangement. As you can see, political correctness gets us nowhere, so we might as well let it all hang out, thats what liberals do. Of course this will be a shock to their liberal senses, because if they can mock and intimidate you and say vile nasty things(or call you a pathetic moron or dickface, really intelligent, I rest my case, so typical, thank you for proving my point once again) into shutting up, this is the way they play the game. They don't even have to have any facts what-so-ever. Can everyone say Garofalo? Call you a Nazi, bigot, homophobe, racist. Come on now, really. This woman (and Perez) is the face of the Liberal party now. Thank you God for this gift.
These people never debate you, classic example: Al Gore, because he can't. They just get on their high horse and insult you, na na boo boo, throw a pie at you and walk away. You are not supposed to have an (your) opinion, you are supposed to agree with theirs, or you are an idiot. Even God tells us to ask questions about Him, to seek the truth. But I guess people like Al Gore and Obama have too thin of skin and God complexes, to be questioned. Yes, these people are the party of tolerance and compassion. TEE HEE.
The other day, two liberals where I work, started, yet again, making fun of Bush (he's out of office, haven't you heard) but they are scared to make fun of the "messiah", so I said, well at least he knows how many states there are". You could have heard a pin drop. They could not believe that I had the nerve to say anything against their cool cat, Barry. Haven't heard an insult since that day. Liberals seem to think if they say something over and over, that makes it true. It is good to see people finally waking up and stop putting up with this nonsense.
Slim| 5.9.09 @ 8:52AM
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The last paragraph says it clearly. The Elitist Left who so roundly condemn ANYONE opineing vs thier beliefs, NEED to be constantly reassured and NEVER spoken against due to their insecurity. In their late nights hearts, they KNOW FULL WELL, how utterly incorrect they are.
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Semper Fi
Slim| 5.9.09 @ 8:58AM
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Re the premise of Ordinary Folks Opines.
Here, near the Big Muddy, one can get almost instant reaction, if the opine is negative about the Wx, cotton growth possibles, rice water availables, tornado watches, temporary labor opportunities, the latest church news, etal. See the commoness of the reactions? Things that matter. Joe the Plumber's opines about Gays would not raise an eyebrow here. Now, if the opine dealt with the local ladies auxilary cake sale, that would get a reaction, probably, a poke from an umbrella....
Anyway, he has the right, the Anti's, Lefitist, who live in thier cloistered world, need constant reassurance that what they beleive is right, knowing full well they are wrong.
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Unvix| 5.11.09 @ 12:55PM
Apparently Conservatives have a knack for slippery slope and basically dragging any incident to the brink of its absurdity while using it as a club to beat up on other not so germane topics. Joe's comment is a clear example of how hatred of other fellow citizens can be celebrated by the fringed few while censuring those who expose such flagrant case of discrimination.
The argument put forth usually is marinated with the trite assumption that hiding behind the First Amendment somehow shields you from criticism -- oh the irony. A bigoted opinion is still an opinion but bigoted in nature, therefore meritorious of condemnation. Just for those who still possess more than two brain cells to process the last statement, it does not stymie your precious constitutional right to free expression but rather the aforementioned right goes both way. Any objection to such axiom would surely falls in the vat of being a whiner which basically that's what being promoted here.
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oe the Plumber's opines about Gays would not raise an eyebrow here.