The American Spectator

cloos| 4.15.09 @ 12:51PM

What is there to say about this except, how did we come to this place? However unsettling DHS actions and left blogger posts are, we should have expected it. Remember, those famous and oft repeated words "we won."

Marc Jeric| 4.15.09 @ 1:08PM

Department of Homeland Security is developing our own version of domestic KGB. Now what is needed to arm the ACORN brownshirts to defend us from those right-wing extremists - and we will have the best of both the Stalin and Hitler regimes.

bob montgomery| 4.15.09 @ 1:15PM

This is not just silly; this is not just politics. This is not just some underling slipping something in. This is serious. This could have serious consequences. As the article points out, this is an official "assessment". It is meant to BE USED by agencies- federal, state and local. This instructs agencies to be suspicious of military veterans, my grandmother, the small business owner fed up with competing with the government for dollars. Not only could it lead to serious misapplication and mistakes in judgement, it could leadto eyes being taken off the ball. It is not just a conversation piece. It requires Congressional investigation ....and soon.

nem| 4.15.09 @ 1:34PM

I guess we now know why Obama wants to set up a civilian security agency that is as well funded and as powerful as the military. Apparently those military guys are all a bunch of hate filled right wing fanatics.

Jack Bauer| 4.15.09 @ 1:45PM

Every organization has its whack-jobs -- just look at Obama administration, though it's easier to spot the few sane people.

Just to name one crazy, how about Janet Napoli-nutso... The DHS's Woman Caused Disaster.

Remember her recent assness as part of Obama's Debase The English Language Program.

SPIEGEL: Madame Secretary, in your first testimony to the US Congress as Homeland Security Secretary you never mentioned the word "terrorism." Does Islamist terrorism suddenly no longer pose a threat to your country?

Napolitano: I presume there is always a threat from terrorism... although I did not use the word "terrorism," I referred to "man-caused" disasters.... but it demonstrates that we want to move away from the politics of fear toward a policy of being prepared for all risks that can occur.

Oh really? I checked Janet Napoli-nutso's 10 page DHS document smearing any conservative who opposes the Obama administration.

It uses the word TERRORIST/TERRORISM 15 times, including these two...
PAGE 3: The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has no specific information that domestic rightwing* terrorists are currently planning acts of violence,

PAGE 2: The information is provided to federal, state, local, and tribal counterterrorism and law enforcement officials so they may effectively deter, prevent, preempt, or respond to terrorist attacks against the United States.

Then there this classic doozy which started as part of the Clinton administration's vast-right wing conspiracy against their divine right to rule.

During the 1990s, these issues contributed to the growth in the number of domestic rightwing terrorist groups...
But to be accurate, surely she means: DOMESTIC RIGHTWING MAN CAUSED DISASTER GROUPS?

And no offense, but doesn't Napolitano look like a Tranny Caused Disaster?

Bram| 4.15.09 @ 1:52PM

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

Thomas Jefferson

Jack Bauer| 4.15.09 @ 1:55PM

I like the picture of Obama. He's really a Marxian totalitarian in full view.

How ironic that the man who assassinated JFK was also a Cuba loving, Marxian totlaitarian too.

Thomas| 4.15.09 @ 1:56PM

Surprise, surprise, surprise!!

Ned| 4.15.09 @ 2:00PM

Actually, the KKK was a semi-official arm of the Democract party... and quite proud of it.

Robert Rosencrans| 4.15.09 @ 2:06PM

A good read on liberalism, herdism and secular community organizing.
http://www.thesunnews.com/opinion/story/858979.html

Lois Lowry wrote in 1993's "The Giver" a prophetic tale of the USSA of government control and Sameness by way of allegory. She describes a community that chose to relinquish control of their lives to a government of "elders" to whom was given the power to make all choices for them from cradle to grave. All children dressed the same and looked the same with similar coloring, features and hairstyles; subjects with "lighter" eyes were an anomaly. Mirrors were unnecessary as everyone looked the same. Clothes were buttoned in the back so that people were dependent upon others to help dress. The only mechanized mode of transportation was the bicycle, all of the same color.

The government, however, used airplanes for surveillance and transportation.

Everything is sanitized in political correctness, and there are committees and regulations for every phase of life and death that are enforced by government surveillance. Families were assigned by the government to consist of one father, one mother, one male child and one female child. Babies were produced by females outside the family whose jobs were to produce children for the "village," presumably by in vitro fertilization from departing elderly, who were "released" to a place called "Elsewhere."

Elsewhere is beyond USSA control and has no borders as such. There was no reproduction in family units as pills were administered to control "the stirrings." Twin babies, malcontents, handicapped and the sickly were regulated to a better life Elsewhere.

Of course there were vocations assigned by the Elders: Birth Mother, Nurturer, Lawyer and so on. The Nurturer is always a compassionate male who nurtures and releases undesirables via a chute or door: a birth twin is released with enthusiasm and warmth: "Bye-bye, little guy."

To produce Sameness, it is necessary to control information, climate, pain, health, birth, death, population, wealth, travel and religion ad infinitum. Bureaus, committees, regulations, meetings, seminars and special czars and studies ad infinitum employ everyone and promote personal worth. Global warming, national dominance of the USSA in the world, health care rationing and media "fairness," even "Christmas" are inclusive somewhere in the picture.

The inhabitants of the community have no memory prior to their generation; the "Giver" possessed all memories, pleasurable and painful. The people didn't want memories; they were a burden.

The Giver, a Christ-like figure, was selected and trained to carry the people's burdens. He had memories of the past and could look to the future, cognizant that memories are a source of discontent. The Giver in training, called the Receiver, became disillusioned with USSA when he observed his unit's father, a Nurturer, ironically, who planned to euthanize a twin, with whom he escaped to Elsewhere on a sled over snow, which could not exist in USSA, to people with real families who experienced pain, pleasure and choices. There were different colored Christmas tree lights as the inhabitants of Elsewhere celebrated a Christian holiday.

It is noteworthy that humans are the only creatures to communicate with future generations from their past; hence we can pass on information that other creatures cannot. A blotted painful memory may have been history and a blotted pleasurable memory may have been traditional family love. "Free enterprise" would be a painful and or a shameful memory, adverse to government control.

Liberalism is based on the idea that all people are entitled to be equal or the Same and the government is the instrument to make it happen. The government must be very large and powerful to administer the myriad of required regulations to control the Schmoo. The term that describes liberalism is egalitarianism, which advocates full political, social and economic equality for all subjects regardless of effort or qualifications. Sameness is easier than achievement, which results in differences. Man in the street interviews are hilarious but clearly reveal nothing.

The dumbing down of America is not a new development and clearly illustrates reverse evolution from the mountain to the slime. The story's hero rejected liberalism and escaped to Elsewhere from the United Socialist States of America.

Truth Hurts| 4.15.09 @ 2:27PM

As usual, Vadum offers a deceptive and shallow reading of the facts.

That career professionals in the Department of Homeland Security are concerned about right wing extremist activity is not a sign that there are thought police, and Vadum, and true ass, does his country a disservice to suggest it does.

Those of us with something more than a passing and impoverished understanding of American history know the dangers of right wing hate groups and derranged assassins -- people who often feed upon the foolish and inflammatory rhetoric of demogogues and talk-radio hucksters.

Nobody is talking about outlawing free speech; nobody is talking about denying anyone their rights.

But I'll tell you what, you ignorant fool, we're not going to sit around while resentful scumbags spread lies and hate just to increase their miserable ratings a point or two.

And Vadum? You are certainly the most bone-headed writer that manages somehow to get published here.

ACORN are brownshirts; Obama is a Nazi. To be sure. What a jackass you are.

imxio| 4.15.09 @ 3:14PM

So...Truth Hurts...you're not talking about outlawing free speech, except that of those "scumbags spreading lies and hate". Got it.

There's a principle I can believe in: "Free speech for everyone who agrees with me!"

The true face of the Borg Collective.

Jack Bauer| 4.15.09 @ 3:21PM

“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” George Orwell

Thank you Mr Vadum! In a time when deceit is manufactured wholesale by the compliant media in thrall to a cult called Obama.

The totalitarian collectivists are anxious to silence anyone who they cannot browbeat into subservience. They will fail.

foutsc| 4.15.09 @ 3:41PM

Truth Hurts: Spoken like a true believer. Since you're such a student of history, you should understand that governments and dictators down through the millennia have relied on gullible people just like you.

Tim| 4.15.09 @ 4:17PM

Department of Fatherland Security.

Robert Rosencrans| 4.15.09 @ 4:40PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most radicals liberals?
http://monthlyreview.org/0901epstein.htm

Many among today’s young radical activists, especially those at the center of the anti-globalization and anti-corporate movements, call themselves anarchists. But the intellectual/philosophical perspective that holds sway in these circles might be better described as an anarchist sensibility than as anarchism per se. Unlike the Marxist radicals of the sixties, who devoured the writings of Lenin and Mao, today’s anarchist activists are unlikely to pore over the works of Bakunin. For contemporary young radical activists, anarchism means a decentralized organizational structure, based on affinity groups that work together on an ad hoc basis, and decision-making by consensus. It also means egalitarianism; opposition to all hierarchies; suspicion of authority, especially that of the state; and commitment to living according to one’s values. Young radical activists, who regard themselves as anarchists, are likely to be hostile not only to corporations but to capitalism. Many envision a stateless society based on small, egalitarian communities. For some, however, the society of the future remains an open question. For them, anarchism is important mainly as an organizational structure and as a commitment to egalitarianism. It is a form of politics that revolves around the exposure of the truth rather than strategy. It is a politics decidedly in the moment.

Crusader| 4.15.09 @ 4:53PM

You might be a right-wing terrorist if:

- You go to church
- You've read the Bill of Rights at least once in the last month
- You own a (gasp!) gun!
- You own gold
- You can grow your own veggies
- You "hoard" things like water, non-perishables, etc for an emergency
- You hunt
- You fish
- You read the Bible
- You don't think abortion should be used as an after the fact contraception
- You wish gay folks would leave their gayness in the bedroom
- You think you know better how to spend your money than a gubmint buearocrat
- You homeschool your kids

And on and on. How long before people are asked to report on the "suspicious activity" of their neighbors?

Truth Hurts| 4.15.09 @ 6:36PM

imxio --

There's a big difference between identifying, calling out, and criticizing (and mocking) hate speech and the debased rhetoric of Glenn Beck and company and outlawing it.

What exactly is so difficult about this idea for you to get.

Just because I say (and I do) that this fellow Vadum is an ass, a fool, and a clown, it doesn't mean that I am trying to outlaw is absurd commentary.

I think liberals have elevated tolerance far too high; we need to fight and defeat and utterly humiliate the right-wing talkers who've gotten a free ride these past two decades.

By this I do NOT mean outlaw them. That would be silly. I DO mean compete with and defeat them in the "marketplace of ideas."

You have heard of the "marketplace of ideas," haven't you?

stmichrick| 4.15.09 @ 6:38PM

I first noticed this during the abortion wars ('pro-life extremists'), however 'change we can believe in' apparently includes changing the language as well.

The trend to paint conservative Americans as extremists is probably the least talked about but most pervasive technique used by Democratic Party strategists and the modern-day Goebbels of the blogosphere.

I stood in the rain today with other 'right wing extremists' at a Tea Party in Maryland. One offered to share her umbrella. Others were very courteous as we tried to see and hear what was going on behind the sea of umbrellas.

It was a cheerful, spirited, middle-class mob of overcoat, penny loafer- and duck shoe-wearing sign carrying hooligans.

Shocking.

Michael Tomlinson| 4.15.09 @ 6:49PM

In response to the neo-fascists now running DHS I purchased an FN FS2000 last night.

Big Leo| 4.15.09 @ 6:49PM

Truthie sez, "I think liberals have elevated tolerance far too high; we need to fight and defeat and utterly humiliate the right-wing talkers who've gotten a free ride these past two decades" Actually, we paid for our ride, which is a conservative characteristic. You seem to want government to do your arguing for you with the coercion inherent in this government paper. Have the police harass and spy on those with these dangerous characteristics.
I'm ex-military, anti abortion, pro small government, anti gun confiscation, and about everything else on their stupid list except racist, and my guess is lefties believe that of me, too. So apparently I'm a prime suspect as a dangerous terrorist. I have nothing but contempt for a government that can produce such a pack of lies.

TheRover| 4.15.09 @ 8:54PM

"One mans Terrorist is another mans Freedom Fighter"

...or something like that. Ronald Reagan

Jim| 4.15.09 @ 11:01PM

Truth hurts,
Another example of liberal tolerance and free speech.
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/04/15/tancredo-shut-down
You should be afraid though, I'm one of those deranged combat vets and I have no problem pulling the trigger on anyone who attempts to destroy America by facism. Obama may not be a nazi but he's so close you can't tell the difference.

Jarad| 4.15.09 @ 11:21PM

"By this I do NOT mean outlaw them. That would be silly. I DO mean compete with and defeat them in the "marketplace of ideas."

Ahhhh, like talk radio? Or maybe you mean Fox News which gets better ratings than MSNBC pretty much every hour of every day?

Or maybe I'm just a dumb conservative who believes that being an American means being able to listen, read, and watch what I want to when I want to. Even if it's not for "my own good."

pete the mediocre| 4.15.09 @ 11:50PM

"By this I do NOT mean outlaw them. That would be silly. I DO mean compete with and defeat them in the "marketplace of ideas."

That would explain the phenomenal success of Air America which filed bankruptcy every other week for the past two years.

Osamas Pajamas| 4.16.09 @ 1:21AM

Dingbat DHS chief Janet Napolitano ain't Ayn Rand, nor Sam Adams, mustachioed or not.....

TAX HATER SAMUEL ADAMS, ARMED TO THE TEETH, AUGUST, 1776... "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Now go kick over the bloody coffee tables, lads and lasses! Then vote Libertarian --- or if you can't bring yourself to do that ---- then vote conservative Republican and throw OhBummer over the transom.

Yi Ha ***
Minister of Information
Peoples' Capitalist Republic of Whizbangistan

*** Pronounced "YEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!"

Angel| 4.16.09 @ 2:28AM

Arrogant fascist liberal, Truth Hurts: Who are the "We," you speak of? Liberal jackbooted thugs who will enforce your thought and speech codes? Well, people--looks like we're getting down to the nitty-gritty here; and quickly, too. The vicious little SOB doesn't even try to hide the left's coercive intentions. Gonna be a rumble, fellow Conservatives; no way I can live on my knees.

Deborah| 4.16.09 @ 7:02AM

Well, I'm sure I'll be on a list (if I'm not already). I attended the Tea Party in Atlanta last night carrying a sign that read, "Congressional Spending Enslaves our Children to the Chinese" on one side and "Congressional Spending = All Children Left Behind" on the other. How subversive is that?

What the right side of the political spectrum is about is "Freedom." Stay out of our pockets, our children's minds (in the left-wing propaganda pushers known as "schools") and our faces. Let us go to work to support our families -- not yours. Stop spending money we don't have by indebting our children to the Chinese (which should be considered a national security threat...these folks don't have our best interests at heart). Stop printing money that will make our dollars worth nothing after inflation hits.

The Left is all about control. The right is all about -- no fricking way will you control me. That's the fight, so if the Left and this current government pursues control, they will have a fight on their hands. We will do it without breaking the law, but we will do it if this scary administration continues to infringe on our rights.

We can co-opt a left-wing saying: No justice, No peace.

Captain Showbiz| 4.16.09 @ 7:13AM

By itself there’s nothing too alarming in the document. But when you connect the dots: the work by the Obama campaign last year to stifle criticism (think of the statements by law enforcement people in Missouri), the Fairness Doctrine/localism attempts to censor talk radio, the attacks on Joe the Plumber, the portrayal of Middle America as clinging to guns and religion, hassling of conservative college students, general marginalizing of those not worshipping Obama, there is an obvious pattern and this DHS document needs to be taken seriously. The only thing I can’t figure out is are these leftists so tone deaf to the resistance they are creating by this or are they dumb like foxes? In other words, are we seeing a reflection of their ignorance or of their evil intentions?

Crusader| 4.16.09 @ 9:19AM

If you can't beat someone in the "arena of ideas," call names, label, and repeat, repeat, repeat. Marginalize. Offer no facts to back up your assertions.

Listened to Imus a little this morning. He had some no-name from Rolling Stone on there and this is exactly what he did when talking about Glenn Beck. He actually said he thinks Beck is nuts and might one day pull out a gun on air and shoot himself. In the 10 minutes I listened as I drove to work (I am one of those "producers" who likes keeping my money) I did not hear one refutation with regard to high taxes, illegal immigration, expanding federal deficits, etc. None. Just making Beck out to be some frothing crazy who just might put a revolver in his mouth any minute now on Fox News.

The sad thing is there are people in our country who are taken in by this type of propaganda. They can't think for themselves, they can't see through the lies. Sad.

Tim| 4.16.09 @ 9:42AM

"Transformational politics"

Truth Hurts| 4.16.09 @ 12:14PM

The authoritarian mindset of the reactionary reveals itself everywhere in these posts.

Disagreeing with someone does not mean trying to have his right to free speech revoked.

You all are used to liberals who roll over and play dead whenever conservatives call them communists, terrorists, or traitors.

My argument is that liberals should stop tolerating this bullshit and fight back.

As for calling me a nazi, go FUCK yourself.

I served my time in the Army, wore the nation's uniform, as so many of you did NOT, and I will not be called a Nazi or a communist.

You people substitute bile for argument.

KyMouse| 4.16.09 @ 12:30PM

Wendy Wright, president of Concerned Women for America, points out in an article at www.lifesitenews.com that the DHS document is "deja vu of the Clinton-era taskforce known as VAAPCOM -- Violence Against Abortion Providers Conspiracy," which targeted everybody from the National Right to Life Committee to the late Cardinal John O'Connor. The article also has perspective by Jay Sekulow (ACLJ) and Steve Mosher, president of the Population Research Institute. I'm active in the pro-life movement myself, so I guess I should look in the mirror to see if there's a bulls-eye on my back.

Bilwick| 4.16.09 @ 12:49PM

"Truth Hurts" (and by the way, truth doesn't hurt but coercion does) writes: "Nobody is talking about outlawing free speech. . . . ." but then turns around and adds: "But we're not ["we" presumably being he and his fellow State-shtuppers] going to sit around while resentful scumbags spread lies and hate just to increase their miserable ratings a point or two. " So you are going to outlaw free speech? I'm confused; but logical consistency is generally not a hallmark of cults, including the Cult of the State (and it's spin-off sub-cult, Obamolatry).

By the way, re "Napoleon-atano": Clinton had his "Jackboots Janet" as Atoorney General, and now it looks like "Il Dufe" has his. What is it with these "liberal" presidents and their fondness for scary Rosa Klebb-type "enforcers"? Is it the eternal appeal of the Strong Man?

David| 4.16.09 @ 1:56PM

Of course, there is no mention that this DHS study was started under and by the Bush administration.

Of course there is no mention that a DHS study on radical leftwingers was also included.

You people are getting fired up by, Faux News, Riech-wing disinformation.

Bilwick| 4.16.09 @ 2:28PM

David's last name must be "Winston."

(He probably won't get the reference but you literary-minded types will.)

Tim| 4.16.09 @ 2:33PM

IT'S A COOKBOOK!

KevlarKevin| 4.16.09 @ 3:15PM

Truth Hurts is a NAZI!
Ha. Just kidding.

KyMouse| 4.16.09 @ 3:26PM

Thanks, Tim, I needed a good laugh! Loved it.

Greg| 4.16.09 @ 3:44PM

David, read the report. Much of the threat is based on "the histoically unprecedented election of an African-American President. I don't think this description can readily apply to President Bush. I read the report, and for the most part, it appears legit. But once I re-read it a couple of time, I realized the "threats" were extra-ordinarily broad in nature. At no time in the document did I see any specific information a Law Enforcement agency could act on, just vague warnings about right-wing extremists and how the current conditions favor the formation of right wing extremist groups, and these groups may try to recruit returning military. This is so insulting on so many levels. As a 24 year veteran, I proudly served this country, took an oath (which I keep) to defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic. Maybe our own Government considers it to be a threat to our nation. In that case, they have reason to fear....

Bilwick| 4.16.09 @ 4:29PM

Actually, on second thought, and won over by his Aristotelian logic, I think David may be correct in his assessment: us pro-freedom types may be just a tad paranoid about this. After all, even the most cursory look at Obama's history--from the mentoring of his radical-libertarian "Uncle Frank" in Hawaii, through his association with freedom lovers such as Bill Ayers, his membership in the conservative New Party with such individualists as Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky, to the spiritual shepherding of Rev. "God Bless America: Wright--not to mention Obama's ratings of "100% " by the Americans for Constituional Action, the National Taxpayers Union and the National Rife Association--and also not to mention his numerous pro-freedom statements such as "Taxation is Theft!" (falsely reported by Faux News as "Spread the Wealth!")--it's clear that we couldn't have a more pro-freedom president in the White House if Reagan came out of the grave as a zombie and got re-elected. With such a stalwart champion of individual liberty as Barack Hussein Obama as president, not to mention the coterie of hard-core libertarians he has surrounded himself with, why should any of us be concerned for our freedom?

Julia| 4.16.09 @ 5:49PM

Wow! Truth Hurts doesn't like being called a Nazi! Now he knows how President Bush felt. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

Give us a chance| 4.16.09 @ 6:33PM

America is finished, Americans are so stupid, they can't even think.

They think Obama is their problem, all Americans need to do a simple task, LOOK IN THE MIRROR, if you see Obama it's his fault.

Americans left Europe for freedom, found it, lost it and now it's some Black guys fault? Wake the Fuck up you bunch of shits. Take responsibility, look at what you have voted for, since 1963.
America has not had a liget Government America has not had a Government fro 46 years, what do you expect, ask your self why they killed Kennedy, and any of his family who tried to get elected. Grow up you bunch of IDIOTS, we are relying on you to wake up to stop this.

I am not against Americans, I am begging you to wake up.

You Need DEMOCRACY| 4.16.09 @ 7:28PM

When America wakes up, the population of the world is behind you.

Americans lost their way, but once they stand up for their constitution, and dont let anyone stand in their way stand up for their rights.

Demand what America was founded on, and Demand that The |FED reserve bank be brought back into the government control. Stop the foreign wars to make money for Arms dealers, and respect the lives of your children, you are nearly there and don't let this fraud happen again, it affects the future of your country and your children.

Stand up and speak up, stop funding the CIA to over throw governments around the world who are democratic. Setting the example, leading by example. Bribery removew it from your political system thus getting rid of the AIPAC, so the people can choose a leader democratically.

MT| 4.17.09 @ 1:31AM

Shut up, Daphne. You're a nut.

Daphne| 4.17.09 @ 1:33AM

Truth Hurts is a Nazi.

CH| 4.17.09 @ 1:34AM

No Justice, no peace.

William| 4.17.09 @ 3:37AM

"Although it is hardly a Roman-style proscription list . . ."

Well, not yet. Just wait till September - October 2010, and it will be. There will not be a fair and free election. What occurs thereafter is the question.

The Fauxsheviks fully intend a "liquidation of the Kulaks" if they can pull it off. I just don't think they have the capacity, as they represent skilless social parasites who have never worked, skilless bureaucrats who have never worked, skilless glitterati who have never worked and a ruling effete who have never worked. Ultimately the Fauxsheviks will fail as surely as the Bolsheviks failed, but they will attempt a terror first. All Utopians do.

The Isleali Nazis| 4.18.09 @ 4:00PM

Hitler was a man proud of his country. The new Hitlers today don't have a country, they steal others land and occupy and murder children.

Paul Crowley| 4.20.09 @ 3:13AM

"What is there to say about this except, how did we come to this place?" [cloos| 4.15.09]

Via federal government reforms, especially by congressional and excecutive action, implemented especially by departments of Defense and State, October 2001 - present (2009).

Paul Crowley| 4.20.09 @ 3:25AM

=>Federal Government Reforms, October 2001 - present (2009).

Reforms and abominations (such as naked military aggression and conquest, spying on citizens, arrest & imprisonment WITHOUT charge, and physical & psychological TORTURE), both cheered on, and decried against, by large groups of the new-moral-midget 21st Century Americans:

Cheered on mostly by the so-called right-wing, and, decried against by the so-called left-wing, 2004-Janaury 2009.

Now cheered on mostly by the so-called left-wing, and decried against by the so-called right-wing, January 2009-present.

Paul Crowley| 4.20.09 @ 3:45AM

=>“It is meant to BE USED by agencies- federal, state and local.” [bob montgomery| 4.15.09 @ 1:15PM]

And by the Mass-Communications Media (the so-called mainstream and otherwise), obviously.

As it, and a great deal more, has been, over the course of the “American Experiment” of 1969-2005 (atually, 1953-2005, at least).

ANGER, 1 of the 7 of the group of sins of the Seven Deadly Sins, is very effective.

Paul Crowley| 4.20.09 @ 3:51AM

=>“I first noticed this during the abortion wars ('pro-life extremists')” [stmichrick| 4.15.09 @ 6:38PM]

This is right.

Propaganda wise, those of us who were Pro-Life were dubbed ‘anti-abortion extremists.

However, this began in earnest, after the efforts against legalized abortion, against pornography, against fault-free divorce. . . . was mostly dead, and petering out (the high-water marks were in the decade of the 1980s).The ‘anti-abortion extremists’ theme was developed in the decade of the 1990s, especially uring the years of the Clinton administration & the ‘Republican Revolution’ Congress.

Paul Crowley| 4.20.09 @ 4:00AM

=>“Name the democrats, (including military vets) who were placed on a terrorist watch list during Bush's tenure, 2004-January 2009. Out with it, Paul--you smug bastard.” [Julia| 4.20.09 @ 3:36AM]

Hi Julia:

I addressed cloos’ question of “how did we come to this place?"

The moral midgets on the right, and on the left, have, no question, facilitated the development of all of the infrastructure, developed and now being further built upon.

My inclusion of "congressional and excecutive action" in my statement includes the Democratic Party-led Congress of 2007-09.

The Domestic terrortist bill was introduced by it, was bi-partisan legislaton, and was supported by the G.W. Bush administration.

The 'writing has been on the wall.'

Paul Crowley| 4.20.09 @ 4:17AM

=>"if you are opposed to enlarging the redistributive state and spreading the wealth around, as the bulk of American Spectator readers presumably are" [Matthew Vadum]

One shouldn't presume too much.

What exactly does opposition to "spreading the wealth around," mean?

I'm not opposed to "spreading the wealth around."

The wealth due to the work of American citizens should be spread around for their benefit.

I’m Pro-Life and it is absurd to call oneself this and advocate a modern-day slavery.

No Americans grew up with the kind of economic system implemented during the Bush-Clinton-Bush administrations era, 1989-present; especially the miserable mess of 1998-present.

I oppose the American Counter-Revolution that has destroyed American principles, American ethics and that has reduced American citizens to mere "Human Resources" to be used for some vague 'Something Bigger Than ourselves.'

I'm not a social revolutionary of any kind: Neither a libertarian nor a Marxist.

I'm not anti-human.

I'm not anti-Christ.

Paul Crowley| 4.20.09 @ 4:39AM

"What is there to say about this except, how did we come to this place?" [cloos| 4.15.09]

Again, and to sum:

Via federal government reforms, especially by congressional and excecutive action, implemented especially by departments of Defense and State, October 2001 - present (2009).

-Federal Government Reforms, October 2001 - present (2009).

Reforms and abominations (such as naked military aggression and conquest, spying on citizens, arrest & imprisonment WITHOUT charge, and physical & psychological TORTURE), both cheered on, and decried against, by large groups of the new-moral-midget 21st Century Americans:

Cheered on mostly by the so-called right-wing, and, decried against by the so-called left-wing, 2004-Janaury 2009.

Now cheered on mostly by the so-called left-wing, and decried against by the so-called right-wing, January 2009-present.

-Federal Government.
G.W. Bush Administration, 2001-09.
Democratic Party-led Senate; Republican Party led House, fall 2001-December 2002.
Republican Party-led Congress, December 2002-January 2007.
Democratic Party-led Congress, January 2007-January 2009.

Obama Administration, 2009-.
Democratic Party-led Congress, January 2009-present.

Supreme Court comprised of a majority of Republican-nominated Supreme Court Justices, 2001-present (2009).

Paul Crowley| 4.20.09 @ 4:53AM

=>"Paul--you smug bastard." [Julia| 4.20.09 @ 3:36AM]

Hi Julia:

Your other preposition is wrong also.

I'm not an arrogant man and I'm not being smug.

Mycos| 6.8.09 @ 12:01PM

Implying that SPLC is somehow behind the DHS report points out exactly what is wrong with right-wing media pundits like Vadum, Beck, O'Reilly et al. Long on smears, unfounded accusations and fear-mongering, yet totally bereft of logic, reason or even simple facts. FYI, the counter-terrorism researchers at DHS base their findings on decades of research, spurred on in large part by the puzzling behaviour of common German bakers and doctors who, when defending themselves during the NUremberg trials after the war, seemed honestly befuddled at the courts rejection of "I was just following orders" as a defense for working the crematoriums at Buchenwald or beatings applied to the the skelatal labor force at camps like Dora. Since that time mountains of evidence have accumulated showing a clear link between right-wing conservatism and the authoritarianism that enables monsters like Hitler to kill millions despite their really being only one person. Clearly they need obedient, even mindless followers to carry out their plans, and those followrs are overwhelmingly...you guessed it...right-wing authoritarians/conservatives. And the gist of this point is that the world's leading social scientists who were assembled by DHS following the right-wing conservative attack on the World Trade Center (yes, OBL is a right-wing conservative too!) have produced numerous papers detailing this tendency among RWAs long before Obama was ever in office, indeed, before the SPLC was even founded. So for Vadum to imply that their research is politically motivated nevertheless built on a few articles written by journos at SPLC, is to lie and mislead his readers in precisely the manner that the research makes evident is the norm between RWA followers and their SDO leaders.
For instance, you all might want to check the publishing date on the DHS -funded study entitled Political Conservatism As Motivated Social Cognition. Or for something more closely matching the intellectual character of most RWAs, how about Okla. Corrections Dept. website's look at the close links between violent criminality and political conservtism. http://www.doc.state.ok.us/offenders/ocjrc/95/950725C.htm.
My favorite line from the latter sums up the whole matter quite nicely with : "Conservatism is not the doctrine of the intellectual elite or of the more intelligent segments of the population, but the reverse. By every measure available to us, conservative beliefs are found most frequently among the uninformed, the poorly educated, and the less intelligent".
The author of that line, McClosky, H. spoke those words in 1958, hardly recent enough to have any connection whatsoever to the SPLC, Obama, DHS, or any other organization Vadum would like to smear.
The date does have a lot to say tho about why right-wing propagandists have long had been trying to dismiss social science as a worthy pursuit of academia. Like Vadum, conservatives simply cannot accept the weight of evidence showing how intellectually and socially crippled many people are, and how social retardation very frequently manifests itself as political conservatism later in life. Dr. Robert Altemeyer, a leading scientists frequently cited by DHS in it's research, has made available to all a summary of his decades of looking at RWA-SDO personalities. http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

Enjoy. I certainly did ;-)

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