"We tried that, and it didn't work," Obama and his partisans
sneer in response to arguments that tax cuts are the key to
restoring economic growth. Instead they support an economic
recovery plan based on increased welfare, government spending,
and federal deficits and debt as the key to growth. Anyway, they
have a "balanced package" with tax cuts too.
Even some conservatives do not understand well enough that not
all tax cuts stimulate growth. Which tax cuts work to stimulate
the economy and long-term growth and which do not?
Cuts in tax rates stimulate economic growth because the
lower rates allow producers to keep a higher percentage of what
they produce and earn. For example, at a 50% tax rate the
producer only keeps 50% of what he earns. If the rate is reduced
to 25%, the producer keeps 75% of what he earns. This means
greatly increased incentives to save, invest, start businesses,
expand businesses, create jobs, engage in entrepreneurship, and
work.
Moreover, these incentives do not just expand the economy by the
amount of the tax cut. For example, a tax cut of $100 billion
involving reduced tax rates does not just affect the economy by
$100 billion. The lower tax rate affects every dollar and every
economic decision throughout the economy. That is because every
economic decision is based on the new lower tax rates. Indeed,
the new lower tax rates affect every dollar, or unit of currency,
and every economic decision throughout the whole world regarding
whether to invest in America, start or expand businesses there,
create jobs there, even work there, because all these decisions
will be based on the new lower tax rates.
Kennedy's Tax Cuts
While President Obama and his hypnotized followers do not
understand this, President John F. Kennedy did. Kennedy proposed
legislation to reduce income tax rates across the board by 30%.
Kennedy explained:
"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today, and
tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the
revenues in the long run is to cut the tax rates….[A]n economy
constrained by high tax rates will never produce enough revenue
to balance the budget, just as it will never create enough jobs
or enough profits."
Kennedy added:
Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand,
and the avoidance of large federal deficits on the other….It is
between two kinds of deficits -- a chronic deficit of inertia,
as the unwanted result of result of inadequate revenues and a
restricted economy -- or a temporary deficit of transition,
resulting from a tax cut designed to boost the economy, produce
revenues, and achieve a future budget surplus.
Kennedy explained further that the best way to promote economic
growth "is to reduce the burden on private income and the
deterrents to private initiative which are imposed by our present
tax system -- and this administration is pledged to an
across-the-board reduction in personal and corporate income tax
rates."
Kennedy's proposed tax rate cuts were adopted in 1964, cutting
the top tax rate from 91% to 70%, as well as reducing the lower
rates. Over the next year, economic growth soared by 50%, and
income tax revenues increasedby
41%! By 1966, unemployment had fallen to its lowest
peacetime level in almost 40 years. U.S. News & World
Report exclaimed, "The unusual budget spectacle of sharply
rising revenues following the biggest tax cut in history is
beginning to astonish even those who pushed hardest for tax cuts
in the first place." Arthur Okun, the administration's chief
economic advisor, estimated that the tax cuts expanded the
economy in just two years by 10% above where it would have been.
Reagan's Tax Cuts
In 1981, Reagan cut the top income tax rate of 70% to 50%, with a
25% across the board reduction in income tax rates for everyone
else. Then, in the 1986 tax reform, he cut the top rate to 28%,
with only one other rate of 15% for everyone else. Reagan also
cut corporate income tax rates.
By 1982, just before the tax cuts were fully phased in, the
economy took off on a 25 year economic boom, what Art Laffer and
Steve Moore called "the greatest period of wealth creation in the
history of the planet." Steve Forbes called it "an economic
golden age." Forbes added:
Never before have so many people advanced so far economically
in so short a period of time as they have during the [25 year
boom]. Until the credit crisis, 70 million people a year
[worldwide] were joining the middle class. The U.S. kicked off
this long boom with the economic reforms of Ronald Reagan,
particularly his enormous income tax cuts. We burst from the
economic stagnation of the 1970s into a dynamic, innovative,
high tech-oriented economy.
Peter Ferrara is Senior Fellow at the Carleson Center for Public Policy, Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy for the Heartland Institute, and General Counsel of the American Civil Rights Union.He served in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Reagan, and as Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States under the first President Bush. He is the author of America’s Ticking Bankruptcy Bomb, now available from HarperCollins.
After President Kennedy cut taxes, the poverty rate declined from
22% to 14%. Then the great society was launched around 1967 and
after 7 trillion was spent, the poverty rate is now at 12.7%.
There should be a lesson there.
Liberty Lady| 4.8.09 @ 7:58AM
Mr. Mathews:
First of all, why are you so nasty? Liberal or conservative, I
just don't get anyone being nasty. Thank God we all don't agree
or we would be mindless puppets! I would like your opinion about
increasing taxes and how it would work--I am quite concern of
corporations going elsewhere, which means even more loss of
jobs...I would like to hear your side just as I would like a
liberal to hear my side and not stereotype me. Thank you.
Ryan| 4.8.09 @ 8:40AM
Hey David,
Why not pick out a couple of points on which Ferrara is wrong?
Where is he wrong? Why is he wrong? What is your proof and
counter-argument?
Thanks, Mr. Ferrara, for a well-written, concise and
easy-to-understand article. So easy to understand even a liberal
could understand it -- if he could get past his
redistributionist/everyone should be the same/ have the
same/share with everyone what one makes-attitude.
Everything must be "fair" as The One says. It doesn't matter if
redistributionist policies ruin the economy or are against the
Constitution because "fairness" is what matters. Leftist/liberals
want to "spread the wealth around" -- but only end up spreading
poverty and misery around. How fair of them.
Don't forget Reagan's tax cuts came at the expensive of record
budget deficits.
Trickle down theory: Money may trickle down, but it gushes up,
which is why the wealth have more of it.
For economy to be healthy it has to circulate, not trickle down.
dcc| 4.8.09 @ 9:17AM
Mostly interesting but a bit too dismissive of tax credits. Low
income earners and consumption are important to the economy and
produce numerous important economic decisions. Supply is only one
side of the equation, without demand the system will collapse.
Hank Rearden| 4.8.09 @ 9:55AM
This is a very well executed article by Ferrara.
However, what the author does not mention is that this
administration is not interested in stimulating the economy or
helping to advance capitalism. In effect, they're trying to kill
it because they don't believe in it. Without "victims" and the
dispossesed the democratic party has no base!!!
stmichrick| 4.8.09 @ 10:04AM
*PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL*
The latest myth being promoted by the leftists in power is that
tax cuts for the investor class don't work. The idea that a
'fairer' economy is the way back to prosperity is being swallowed
by many.
For fool the simple among us, their technique is to 'bundle' the
facts that while revenues to the government and the economy grew,
so did spending...well, right (Bob).
There has never been a better time to promote REAL cuts in
spending (beyond baseline) alongside tax CUTS that encourage
investment. Maybe it's a teaching moment for our side in terms of
refining the message.
*PLEASE DON"T FEED THE TROLL*
"A Spectator's teacher"| 4.8.09 @ 10:06AM
Unfortunately, for every dollar of increased revenue (as a result
of Reagan's tax-cut) to the government, a very Democrat Congress
(under Tip O’Neill) broke its no-extra-spending promise and blew
$1.86 for every new dollar collected - - so, yeah, there was an
eventual deficit. Your witness...
JeffW| 4.8.09 @ 10:07AM
I smell a troll. Yep, DM eagerly jumped on this.
Lady Liberty, as much as I respect your well thought out reply to
DM your wasting your time. He will not present points to his
argument. Just nasty-name calling and insults. I too, would like
to hear both sides of a argument and make up my own mind but with
this troll we are barking up the wrong tree.
Liberty Lady| 4.8.09 @ 11:25AM
Hey all--What about the fair tax? No one seems to mention it. I
would like some input about it--there's a small group where I
live who are really pushing it. A consumption tax sounds good to
me...the more you buy, the more tax you pay--therefore, people
with more money pay more taxes! Sounds fair to me. However, I do
not see the logic in heavily taxing people just because they are
rich--I'm not rich and I don't expect a rich person to take care
of me. I can take care of my little middle-class self, thank you
very much.
Two of my favorite quotes I would like to share:
Gerald Ford: "A government big enough to supply you with
everything you need is a government big enough to take away
everything you have."
Winston Churchill: "You don't make the poor richer by making the
rich poorer."
Needless to say, I'm concerned.
Roy| 4.8.09 @ 11:52AM
Isn't the problem that the big, dramatic tax reductions have
already been done?
If Kennedy cut the top tax rate from 91% to 70% then the top
ratepayers went from keeping less than 10% of their income to
keeping 30% of it. That is their incentive to work TRIPLED.
Obviously that is huge, think how much more work you would do if
your pay was multiplied by 3.
If Reagan cut the rate from 70% to 28% then the top ratepayers
went from keeping 30% to keeping 72%. That is their take home pay
was doubled. Again, a huge change in incentives.
Since then the rate has crept back up to what, 35%? OK fine. So
how much can it realistically be cut? Hell, let's suppose we cut
it to zero. OK, the top ratepayers go from keeping 65% of their
income to keeping 100% - a 50% increase - not bad, but still much
less than Reagan's increase never mind Kennedy's. And that's if
we cut it to zero. Cutting it to 30% would be a tiny shift in
incentives. Not to say it wouldn't help out at the margin but as
compared with what Reagan's cuts produced it would be pretty
minimal.
That's why I think that at least as regards personal income taxes
the big battle has already been won. There are still ongoing
skirmishes - I sure wouldn't mind a few thousand less going to
the government every year - but other taxes and in my opinion,
even more than taxes, regulation, are the issue now.
Dagny Taggert| 4.8.09 @ 12:59PM
The tax cuts have been proven to work, and will work. The problem
is the government spending side of the equation. The federal
government was a much smaller percentage of the overall economy
in the past. As long as the looters (anyone notice there's a
recession everywhere but in government?) continue to amass
control through their bloated and inefficient (both in terms of
services provided and wealth created) programs, that money goes
down a black hole. Much like comments above regarding tax credits
being one-time versus the longer-term positives of a tax rate
cut.
Hey Hank, can I get that order of Rearden Metal by the end of the
month?
Dagney's friend| 4.8.09 @ 1:06PM
Ayn Rand wrote these passages over fifty years ago: (page 690 of
Atlas Shrugged) "I was ordered (by the courts) to hand out money
earned by men, to a worthless rotter whose only claim consisted
of his inability to earn it."
(848) "Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the
rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the
poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it” - - then later had
snapped: 'The tycoons can stand being squeezed, they’ve amassed
enough to last them for…………'.”
.(850) “There... was the ultimate goal of all the loose academic
prattle which businessmen had ignored for years, the goal of all
the slipshod definitions, the sloppy generalities, the soupy
abstractions, all claiming that obedience to objective reality is
the same as obedience to the State, that there is no difference
between a law of nature and a bureaucrat’s directive… There was
the goal of all those con men… who sold their revelations as
reason, their ‘instincts’ as science, their cravings as
knowledge…"
And that about says it all...
JimP| 4.8.09 @ 2:25PM
Blind 'Spectator' couldn't be more disingenuous; or maybe he's
just that ignorant. Reagan had to compromise with the Dem
Congress on budgets. The Dems didn't HAVE to spend like drunken
sailors just home from a 6 month deployment on an aircraft
carrier, but they did. Remember, Spec, Congress controls the
purse strings. It's called Checks and Balances. Blaming Reagan
for fiscal deficits is only half the equation.
Tom| 4.8.09 @ 2:31PM
Liberty Lady, I believe that the Gerald Ford was quoting Thomas
Jefferson.
Alan Brooks| 4.8.09 @ 4:14PM
Finally we are coming around to admitting Dubya was America's
21st century Eugene Debs.
You can never admit it in public, though-- you want the
electorate to vote Republican no matter if it gets too devious
for our own good.
Dagney's friend, again| 4.8.09 @ 5:04PM
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but
under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of
the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist
nation without ever knowing how it happened." Said Norman
Thomas/American socialist & six time presidential candidate
in 1944.
Alan Brooks| 4.8.09 @ 6:13PM
but it is not even as 'good' as socialism!
will leave it at Bush was the Anton Drexler of American
Nationalized Socialism.
Todd| 4.8.09 @ 6:53PM
Where the heck is Bob? This article was made for him to spew his
tax cuts don't work and look at my chart baloney. Also his
priceless insult that Peter Ferrara is a right-wing hack that
can't possibly know anything about taxes compared with himself. I
guess he is too busy today trying his best to prove that Hitler
was a committed Christian and Muslims are a peace loving people
over on George Neumayr's article today. I will have to check back
later and see if he has a chart for me to learn how tax cuts are
always a terrible idea because they cause deficits.
Martin| 4.8.09 @ 9:30PM
It is quite pointless to lecture Barack Hussainovich what is an
effective tax policy, as he, doubtless, already knows that. He is
not trying to fix the economy, as happy and independent people do
not vote for democrats.
Liberty Lady| 4.9.09 @ 7:46AM
Thanks Tom. The reference I got it from was wrong, too. Good
quote, though.
The Last Best Hope of Earth| 4.9.09 @ 7:55AM
Kennedy was the last real President America had, that's why he
was murdered, he was not following orders. Kennedy was ready to
lead, ready to take the control of money back to governmental
control.
Lincoln, tried it during the civil war, and he too was later
assassinated.
Lincoln spoke in Philadelphia of Independence, he said it's not
the mere matter of the seperation of the colonies from the mother
land, but something in that Declaration giving liberty, not alone
to the people of this country, but hope to the world for all
future time.
It was that which gave promise that in due time the weights
should be lifted from the shoulders of all men, and that all
should have an equal chance.
If this man was allowed to live, the world would be a better
place today, and also if Kenedy was alowed to live we would have
a better and more stable society world wide.
America would not need to Bankrupt it's self in far flung place,
in wars that shoud never have been waged.
And the American people and their children would not have a life
time of debt from borrowed money from the Federal Reserve Bank
which is a private bank owned by Jews, and run by Jews, but by
the American Government.
Pat Spooner| 4.9.09 @ 8:18PM
The first pos is by someone who has posted here before and his
most recent earlier today is typical. He has proven once again
that liberals are for the most part dopes.
stmichrick| 4.10.09 @ 9:47AM
What I see when I read something like 'Last Best Hope...' is
someone so enamored with the physical persona of JFK; well, facts
don't matter.
I enjoy jousting with modern liberals who lionize a President who
was a Cold Warrior, tax cutter, war hero and objectifier of
women. Not to mention dragged into the civil rights struggle.
zeroKnots| 4.13.09 @ 5:03AM
David Mathews| 4.8.09 @ 7:13AM
"Hey, Peter, your side lost ... Republicans are an unpopular
extremist minority ... and Ronald Reagan is dead.
The tax cut ideology has run its course and failed. Now you
conservatives can keep on blindly adhering to a failed ideology
as long as you wish (fundamentalists always do) but if you do so
you will continue losing."
What an idiot. You could bludgeon him with reality all day long
but he'd only stick his thumb in his mouth and cling to the
Obamanoid security blanket even harder.
Conservatives, theres no point in trying to appeal to these
script-kiddies. It's entirely up to us to take this country back
and restore the Constitution.
Hell, if you could limit eligibility to vote to those who have
the slightest concept of Liberty, let alone free-market, they'd
never win an election again and the golden age would last 'til
the sun exploodes..
The fact is the tax rate under Obama is the same as it was under
Reagan. When will you righties stop lying and denying?
It is amazing to hear people equate Obama's tax plan with
socialism. Such arguments reflect an ignorance of fact and
history. The American tax system has been progressive for a long
time. Also, Obama's tax plan is not nearly as progressive (or
socialistic as some RWs would say) as Bill Clinton's or Ronald
Reagans. Indeed, under Reagan, we had a 50% top marginal rate. So
to address the charges and counter-charges regarding taxes with
fact here's my effort to introduce some fact and immutable TRUTH
into the tax debate:
The marginal tax rates for 2008 were as follows:
10%
15%
25%
28%
33%
35%
Obama's marginal tax rates:
10%
15%
25%
28%
36%
39.6%
McCain would have simply continued applying Bush's marginal tax
rates:
10%
15%
25%
28%
33%
35%
However, does this make Obama's tax plan radical or socialistic?
Hardly. In 1999, when the stock market was zooming through the
roof, and real median household incomes were going through the
roof under Bill Clinton, we had the following marginal tax rates:
15%
28%
31%
36%
39.6%
Thus, Obama's proposed taxes are still significantly less than
the taxes under Bill Clinton, particularly for middle income
Americans.
Okay, well how about Ronald Reagan? Well for much of Reagan's two
terms, he had top marginal tax rates of 50%, though deductions
may have resulted in a different tax burden. In other words,
compared to Obama's proposed tax plans, Ronald Reagan is a pinko
commie:
Robert Rosencrans| 4.8.09 @ 7:25AM
After President Kennedy cut taxes, the poverty rate declined from 22% to 14%. Then the great society was launched around 1967 and after 7 trillion was spent, the poverty rate is now at 12.7%. There should be a lesson there.
Liberty Lady| 4.8.09 @ 7:58AM
Mr. Mathews:
First of all, why are you so nasty? Liberal or conservative, I just don't get anyone being nasty. Thank God we all don't agree or we would be mindless puppets! I would like your opinion about increasing taxes and how it would work--I am quite concern of corporations going elsewhere, which means even more loss of jobs...I would like to hear your side just as I would like a liberal to hear my side and not stereotype me. Thank you.
Ryan| 4.8.09 @ 8:40AM
Hey David,
Why not pick out a couple of points on which Ferrara is wrong? Where is he wrong? Why is he wrong? What is your proof and counter-argument?
Why should I listen to you?
Deborah| 4.8.09 @ 8:52AM
Thanks, Mr. Ferrara, for a well-written, concise and easy-to-understand article. So easy to understand even a liberal could understand it -- if he could get past his redistributionist/everyone should be the same/ have the same/share with everyone what one makes-attitude.
Everything must be "fair" as The One says. It doesn't matter if redistributionist policies ruin the economy or are against the Constitution because "fairness" is what matters. Leftist/liberals want to "spread the wealth around" -- but only end up spreading poverty and misery around. How fair of them.
Deborah| 4.8.09 @ 8:58AM
"Reagan is dead."
Mussolini is dead too, but that hasn't stopped his comeback.
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/04/02/il-duce-redux
a spectator| 4.8.09 @ 9:02AM
Don't forget Reagan's tax cuts came at the expensive of record budget deficits.
Trickle down theory: Money may trickle down, but it gushes up, which is why the wealth have more of it.
For economy to be healthy it has to circulate, not trickle down.
dcc| 4.8.09 @ 9:17AM
Mostly interesting but a bit too dismissive of tax credits. Low income earners and consumption are important to the economy and produce numerous important economic decisions. Supply is only one side of the equation, without demand the system will collapse.
Hank Rearden| 4.8.09 @ 9:55AM
This is a very well executed article by Ferrara.
However, what the author does not mention is that this administration is not interested in stimulating the economy or helping to advance capitalism. In effect, they're trying to kill it because they don't believe in it. Without "victims" and the dispossesed the democratic party has no base!!!
stmichrick| 4.8.09 @ 10:04AM
*PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL*
The latest myth being promoted by the leftists in power is that tax cuts for the investor class don't work. The idea that a 'fairer' economy is the way back to prosperity is being swallowed by many.
For fool the simple among us, their technique is to 'bundle' the facts that while revenues to the government and the economy grew, so did spending...well, right (Bob).
There has never been a better time to promote REAL cuts in spending (beyond baseline) alongside tax CUTS that encourage investment. Maybe it's a teaching moment for our side in terms of refining the message.
*PLEASE DON"T FEED THE TROLL*
"A Spectator's teacher"| 4.8.09 @ 10:06AM
Unfortunately, for every dollar of increased revenue (as a result of Reagan's tax-cut) to the government, a very Democrat Congress (under Tip O’Neill) broke its no-extra-spending promise and blew $1.86 for every new dollar collected - - so, yeah, there was an eventual deficit. Your witness...
JeffW| 4.8.09 @ 10:07AM
I smell a troll. Yep, DM eagerly jumped on this.
Lady Liberty, as much as I respect your well thought out reply to DM your wasting your time. He will not present points to his argument. Just nasty-name calling and insults. I too, would like to hear both sides of a argument and make up my own mind but with this troll we are barking up the wrong tree.
Liberty Lady| 4.8.09 @ 11:25AM
Hey all--What about the fair tax? No one seems to mention it. I would like some input about it--there's a small group where I live who are really pushing it. A consumption tax sounds good to me...the more you buy, the more tax you pay--therefore, people with more money pay more taxes! Sounds fair to me. However, I do not see the logic in heavily taxing people just because they are rich--I'm not rich and I don't expect a rich person to take care of me. I can take care of my little middle-class self, thank you very much.
Two of my favorite quotes I would like to share:
Gerald Ford: "A government big enough to supply you with everything you need is a government big enough to take away everything you have."
Winston Churchill: "You don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer."
Needless to say, I'm concerned.
Roy| 4.8.09 @ 11:52AM
Isn't the problem that the big, dramatic tax reductions have already been done?
If Kennedy cut the top tax rate from 91% to 70% then the top ratepayers went from keeping less than 10% of their income to keeping 30% of it. That is their incentive to work TRIPLED. Obviously that is huge, think how much more work you would do if your pay was multiplied by 3.
If Reagan cut the rate from 70% to 28% then the top ratepayers went from keeping 30% to keeping 72%. That is their take home pay was doubled. Again, a huge change in incentives.
Since then the rate has crept back up to what, 35%? OK fine. So how much can it realistically be cut? Hell, let's suppose we cut it to zero. OK, the top ratepayers go from keeping 65% of their income to keeping 100% - a 50% increase - not bad, but still much less than Reagan's increase never mind Kennedy's. And that's if we cut it to zero. Cutting it to 30% would be a tiny shift in incentives. Not to say it wouldn't help out at the margin but as compared with what Reagan's cuts produced it would be pretty minimal.
That's why I think that at least as regards personal income taxes the big battle has already been won. There are still ongoing skirmishes - I sure wouldn't mind a few thousand less going to the government every year - but other taxes and in my opinion, even more than taxes, regulation, are the issue now.
Dagny Taggert| 4.8.09 @ 12:59PM
The tax cuts have been proven to work, and will work. The problem is the government spending side of the equation. The federal government was a much smaller percentage of the overall economy in the past. As long as the looters (anyone notice there's a recession everywhere but in government?) continue to amass control through their bloated and inefficient (both in terms of services provided and wealth created) programs, that money goes down a black hole. Much like comments above regarding tax credits being one-time versus the longer-term positives of a tax rate cut.
Hey Hank, can I get that order of Rearden Metal by the end of the month?
Dagney's friend| 4.8.09 @ 1:06PM
Ayn Rand wrote these passages over fifty years ago: (page 690 of Atlas Shrugged) "I was ordered (by the courts) to hand out money earned by men, to a worthless rotter whose only claim consisted of his inability to earn it."
(848) "Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it” - - then later had snapped: 'The tycoons can stand being squeezed, they’ve amassed enough to last them for…………'.”
.(850) “There... was the ultimate goal of all the loose academic prattle which businessmen had ignored for years, the goal of all the slipshod definitions, the sloppy generalities, the soupy abstractions, all claiming that obedience to objective reality is the same as obedience to the State, that there is no difference between a law of nature and a bureaucrat’s directive… There was the goal of all those con men… who sold their revelations as reason, their ‘instincts’ as science, their cravings as knowledge…"
And that about says it all...
JimP| 4.8.09 @ 2:25PM
Blind 'Spectator' couldn't be more disingenuous; or maybe he's just that ignorant. Reagan had to compromise with the Dem Congress on budgets. The Dems didn't HAVE to spend like drunken sailors just home from a 6 month deployment on an aircraft carrier, but they did. Remember, Spec, Congress controls the purse strings. It's called Checks and Balances. Blaming Reagan for fiscal deficits is only half the equation.
Tom| 4.8.09 @ 2:31PM
Liberty Lady, I believe that the Gerald Ford was quoting Thomas Jefferson.
Alan Brooks| 4.8.09 @ 4:14PM
Finally we are coming around to admitting Dubya was America's 21st century Eugene Debs.
You can never admit it in public, though-- you want the electorate to vote Republican no matter if it gets too devious for our own good.
Dagney's friend, again| 4.8.09 @ 5:04PM
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened." Said Norman Thomas/American socialist & six time presidential candidate in 1944.
Alan Brooks| 4.8.09 @ 6:13PM
but it is not even as 'good' as socialism!
will leave it at Bush was the Anton Drexler of American Nationalized Socialism.
Todd| 4.8.09 @ 6:53PM
Where the heck is Bob? This article was made for him to spew his tax cuts don't work and look at my chart baloney. Also his priceless insult that Peter Ferrara is a right-wing hack that can't possibly know anything about taxes compared with himself. I guess he is too busy today trying his best to prove that Hitler was a committed Christian and Muslims are a peace loving people over on George Neumayr's article today. I will have to check back later and see if he has a chart for me to learn how tax cuts are always a terrible idea because they cause deficits.
Martin| 4.8.09 @ 9:30PM
It is quite pointless to lecture Barack Hussainovich what is an effective tax policy, as he, doubtless, already knows that. He is not trying to fix the economy, as happy and independent people do not vote for democrats.
Liberty Lady| 4.9.09 @ 7:46AM
Thanks Tom. The reference I got it from was wrong, too. Good quote, though.
The Last Best Hope of Earth| 4.9.09 @ 7:55AM
Kennedy was the last real President America had, that's why he was murdered, he was not following orders. Kennedy was ready to lead, ready to take the control of money back to governmental control.
Lincoln, tried it during the civil war, and he too was later assassinated.
Lincoln spoke in Philadelphia of Independence, he said it's not the mere matter of the seperation of the colonies from the mother land, but something in that Declaration giving liberty, not alone to the people of this country, but hope to the world for all future time.
It was that which gave promise that in due time the weights should be lifted from the shoulders of all men, and that all should have an equal chance.
If this man was allowed to live, the world would be a better place today, and also if Kenedy was alowed to live we would have a better and more stable society world wide.
America would not need to Bankrupt it's self in far flung place, in wars that shoud never have been waged.
And the American people and their children would not have a life time of debt from borrowed money from the Federal Reserve Bank which is a private bank owned by Jews, and run by Jews, but by the American Government.
Pat Spooner| 4.9.09 @ 8:18PM
The first pos is by someone who has posted here before and his most recent earlier today is typical. He has proven once again that liberals are for the most part dopes.
stmichrick| 4.10.09 @ 9:47AM
What I see when I read something like 'Last Best Hope...' is someone so enamored with the physical persona of JFK; well, facts don't matter.
I enjoy jousting with modern liberals who lionize a President who was a Cold Warrior, tax cutter, war hero and objectifier of women. Not to mention dragged into the civil rights struggle.
zeroKnots| 4.13.09 @ 5:03AM
David Mathews| 4.8.09 @ 7:13AM
"Hey, Peter, your side lost ... Republicans are an unpopular extremist minority ... and Ronald Reagan is dead.
The tax cut ideology has run its course and failed. Now you conservatives can keep on blindly adhering to a failed ideology as long as you wish (fundamentalists always do) but if you do so you will continue losing."
What an idiot. You could bludgeon him with reality all day long but he'd only stick his thumb in his mouth and cling to the Obamanoid security blanket even harder.
Conservatives, theres no point in trying to appeal to these script-kiddies. It's entirely up to us to take this country back and restore the Constitution.
Hell, if you could limit eligibility to vote to those who have the slightest concept of Liberty, let alone free-market, they'd never win an election again and the golden age would last 'til the sun exploodes..
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CG Brady| 4.18.10 @ 4:13PM
The fact is the tax rate under Obama is the same as it was under Reagan. When will you righties stop lying and denying?
It is amazing to hear people equate Obama's tax plan with socialism. Such arguments reflect an ignorance of fact and history. The American tax system has been progressive for a long time. Also, Obama's tax plan is not nearly as progressive (or socialistic as some RWs would say) as Bill Clinton's or Ronald Reagans. Indeed, under Reagan, we had a 50% top marginal rate. So to address the charges and counter-charges regarding taxes with fact here's my effort to introduce some fact and immutable TRUTH into the tax debate:
The marginal tax rates for 2008 were as follows:
10%
15%
25%
28%
33%
35%
Obama's marginal tax rates:
10%
15%
25%
28%
36%
39.6%
McCain would have simply continued applying Bush's marginal tax rates:
10%
15%
25%
28%
33%
35%
However, does this make Obama's tax plan radical or socialistic? Hardly. In 1999, when the stock market was zooming through the roof, and real median household incomes were going through the roof under Bill Clinton, we had the following marginal tax rates:
15%
28%
31%
36%
39.6%
Thus, Obama's proposed taxes are still significantly less than the taxes under Bill Clinton, particularly for middle income Americans.
Okay, well how about Ronald Reagan? Well for much of Reagan's two terms, he had top marginal tax rates of 50%, though deductions may have resulted in a different tax burden. In other words, compared to Obama's proposed tax plans, Ronald Reagan is a pinko commie:
Married Filing Jointly
Marginal Tax Brackets
Tax Rate Over But Not Over
0.0% $0 $3,670
11.0% $3,670 $5,940
12.0% $5,940 $8,200
14.0% $8,200 $12,840
16.0% $12,840 $17,270
18.0% $17,270 $21,800
22.0% $21,800 $26,550
25.0% $26,550 $32,270
28.0% $32,270 $37,980
33.0% $37,980 $49,420
38.0% $49,420 $64,750
42.0% $64,750 $92,370
45.0% $92,370 $118,050
49.0% $118,050 $175,250
50.0% $175,250 -
http://www.taxfoundation.org/p.....w/151.html
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org.....3_Candi...
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