Congress moves to end restrictions on activism funded by the
infamous Legal Services Corporation.
(Page 2 of 2)
However, Harkin inserted a measure in his bill that overturns
these prohibitions, putting the lie to his compromising spirit.
The legislation lifts all restrictions, except those related to
abortion litigation, on the use of non-LSC funds. Known as the
"program integrity" restriction, the limit on the use of non-LSC
funds is crucial. Virtually all LSC grantees, which are private,
nonprofit foundations, receive money from private or other
government sources. Without the "program integrity" rule, the
other restrictions would be rendered virtually meaningless
because grantees could simply claim they are using non-LSC money.
By lifting the "program integrity" rule, LSC grantees would be
permitted to resume litigation on behalf of illegal aliens,
prisoners, and drug dealers in public housing. In short, the
Harkin bill would return LSC grantees to the "glory days" of the
1970s and '80s when they could file ideologically-motivated
litigation with impunity.
Harkin is also doing for legal services lawyers what they
couldn't achieve in the courts. Since the restrictions went into
effect 13 years ago, legal services programs and other advocacy
groups filed numerous lawsuits to overturn the rules, especially
the "program integrity" rule. However, the courts consistently
ruled that the restrictions passed constitutional muster.
In addition to ending the restrictions, Harkin aims to give a
huge financial boost to LSC. The "Civil Access to Justice Act"
increases the authorized funding for LSC to $750 million, nearly
double its 2009 appropriation of $390 million. The rationale for
the $750 million figure is that it is approximately the amount
appropriated in 1981, adjusted for inflation, which was
presumably the high-water mark for LSC funding. The Harkin bill
is most generous in that LSC is officially requesting $485
million for fiscal year 2010.
Co-sponsors to "The Civil Access to Justice Act of 2009" include
Edward Kennedy (D-MA), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Barbara Mikulski
(D-MD), Ben Cardin (D-MD), John Kerry (D-MA), Dick Durbin (D-IL),
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), and Jeff
Merkley (D-OR).
The bill is supported by the American Bar Association, the George
Soros-funded Brennan Center for Justice, National Legal Aid &
Defender Association, National Organization of Legal Services
Workers and United Auto Workers.
The federal legal services program has served as liberalism's
judicial shock force since it was established 35 years ago.
Democratic control of the government has produced in just a few
short months an unprecedented explosion in spending and an
assault on signature conservative achievements in social policy,
most notably welfare reform. Boosting LSC spending and removing
the constraints on politically-motivated litigation will only add
fuel to this new outburst of government activism.
Believe me, there are few conservatives, Republicans or blue dog
democrats in legal services. It's the first stop for new lawyers
who want to help the betrodden, only to find out that street law
is mostly eviction proceedings, divorce, collections, and minor
civil actions. They burn out and complain about the small money,
then head out for easy goverment jobs or other nonprofits. They
complain that they can't do their do-good work and pay for their
law school loans. They expect the government to pay their tuition
loans because they are doing good work. Remember Michelle Obama
complaining about having to pay her school loans back? She had
that same sense of entitlement.
Legal services has a purpose: to help poor people work through
the legal system in ordinary life. It is definitely not the place
for class actions, etc. That's why the ACLU and private practice
exists. Believe me, the for profit sector of the legal profession
is ready and panting for the class action that will let them
retire.
Besides, if the government takes over all American industry, how
can it fund the groups that will eventually sue it?
Marc Jeric| 4.3.09 @ 10:18AM
Our country is the only one in the civilized world where when you
sue somebody and lose it costs you nothing. That is why we have
1,100,000 lawyers here; Japan has 10,000, Germany 15,000, and
Great Britain only 8,000, for example. In all other civilized
countries losing a suit automatically calls for the plaintif to
pay all the costs - of the court and of the defendant, both
direct and indirect. When shall we address the question of
bloodsucking trial lawyers, environmentalists, socialists,
communists, and other hyenas living off the fat of the land?
Fred Hayek| 4.3.09 @ 2:06PM
I have written a letter to the Legal Services Corp. suggesting
that they prosecute the Heartland Institute for racialism. The
president of the think tank is preventing Ralph Conner, an
executive at the organization, from running for Lt. Governor of
Illinois. Conner is the former mayor of Maywood, Ill., an
all-black suburb, and won 250,000 votes when he ran for Cook
County Assessor in 2006. Heartland pretends -- when begging
funders for money -- that it is part of the freedom movement. But
its own president is more tyrannical than Kim Jong Il --
violating the civil rights of one of its employees. We recommend
a boycott of Heritage. Starve this beast.
Stephen Goldberg| 4.3.09 @ 4:54PM
I was the lead attorney in the lawsuit about fingerprinting of
welfare recipients. Mr. Carlisle accurately states the contents
of the decision of the California Court of Appeals in that case.
The California Supreme Court did not rule on the case. The only
request to the California Supreme Court was a request to
depublish the case (that is essentially to erase it from the
official record) which was denied.
What Mr. Carlisle does not know is that the California Court of
Appeals ruled on arguments that were not made at any point in the
litigation. Legal Services of Northern California, on behalf of
its client, did not argue that fingerprinting of welfare
recipients violated privacy rights or freedom of religion. The
only claims made in the case were technical legal claims about
whether certain people who were not themselves receiving benefits
were required to be fingerprinted, and about whether a
fingerprinting system could include the requirement of a facial
photograph in addition to a fingerprint. The lawsuit did not
challenge the premise that states can require fingerprinting as a
condition of receiving benefits. I do not know why the California
Court of Appeals ruled on arguments that were not made by the
parties in the case.
It is true that lead plaintiff in the case was a member of the
Russian Pentacostal Church, which has as a fundamental tenet that
the fingerprint is the "mark of the beast" (as do many other
faiths and religious leaders). That fact was included in the
initial petition in the case. However, no legal argument was made
that requiring fingerprinting as a condition of receiving
benefits violated free exercise of religion.
The bottom line that Mr. Carlisle criticizes Legal Services of
Northern California for legal claims that were not made.
Stephen Goldberg
Staff Attorney
Legal Services of Northern California
Michael Tomlinson| 4.3.09 @ 4:57PM
So-called "blue dog" Democrats are not conservatives. Everyone of
them supported Nancy Pelosi for Speaker. Like the crass pols they
are when they think it will help them secure votes from gullible
conservatives they will vote against Democrat policies knowing
they'll pass without their support. Witness the Obama budget and
the 20 Democrats who voted against it. A careful review of all
their votes reveals they're good liberals too, but just want to
make sure they scam the voters back home in their marginally
conservative districts.
Learn the lesson no Democrat can be trusted in elected office.
Ask Quislings like Christopher Buckley and Peggy Noonan how they
feel about their boy Barack whose quadrupled the deficit in 2
months.
J.C.Eaton| 4.3.09 @ 6:59PM
Our good friend, Marc Jeric is correct:America, assuredly, does
not suffer for want of representation. Our law schools turn
graduates out like little link sausages. Once loosed on society
the question becomes:What to do with them? Fortunately, most go
into ministerial functions but that 5% or so that become
litigators....well, those are the folks who become the ferrets,
carbuncles, and pilot fish that are salivating tonight.
Big Leo| 4.3.09 @ 8:33PM
When my nephew became an attorney we were aghast-- such a blot
had never besmirched our family before. So far, he is doing good
work as an asst. DA, but we keep an eye on him.
Sad Panda| 4.4.09 @ 3:15AM
Do you guys have any actual lawyers read this stuff? This is
retardation zone zero. I mean, who approved this?
First lines from the first five comments: This is not comedy,
people:
Believe me, there are few conservatives, Republicans or blue dog
democrats in legal services.
Our country is the only one in the civilized world where when you
sue somebody and lose it costs you nothing.
I have written a letter to the Legal Services Corp. suggesting
that they prosecute the Heartland Institute for racialism.
I was the lead attorney in the lawsuit about fingerprinting of
welfare recipients.
Ok, enough. I cant even copy paste another. I just dont know what
to tell these morons. You people are just sad. Read a book on
logic, get some sunshine, stop going to church...
drudge ette obama| 4.4.09 @ 8:23AM
Why so sad, Sad Panda? I am correct in my statement that there
are few conservative, Republicans or blue dog demoncrats in legal
services. And how is reading a book on logic going to change that
fact? Are you the type that always turns to cod liver oil when
you are ill or logic when you feel stupid? You aren't a lawyer,
for sure, because you made no opposing argument , just junk
statements. Sad Panda, go chew some eucalyptus. Tu es assinus.
Thank God for the Democrats! There just arent enough frivolous
lawsuits but these geniuses are helping out the economy by
creating more jobs in the legal system and helping to get that
money that big business steals from the poor back into
circulation. With so many geniuses running around in the Senate
doing similar good work its easy to forget that Tom Harkin is
every bit as destructive, arrogant, stupid, misinformed,
cretinous, vengeful and downright idiotic as a Chucky (Schmucky)
Schumer or a Patrick (Leaks) Leahy and every bit as nauseating
and nonsensical as the retarded dwarf Senatrix who daily
disgraces my home state of Gollyvornia. When I ask myself where
you find people stupid enough to vote for these incompetent
utopians I have only to scroll up and look at 'Sad Panda's'
outrage at the five basically true statements that have caused
such sadness in the bamboo-munching breast of this pathetic
creature. Is it logical to suggest, for instance, that a
notoriously radical group like Legal Services has any diversity
of opinion amongst the people who work for it? Sad Panda, using
the heightened logical powers that animal invokes, should have
named another country where losers dont pay the court costs to
actually make her point. Does the black and white beastie suppose
that Fred is lying- that he didnt send a letter to Legal
Services- or is she saying that such a letter was a sign that
Fred was dipping too hard into his stash of medical marijuana? As
for fingerprinting welfare recipients, everyone knows that
requiring proper identification for aid recipients and voters is
an attempt to intimidate them and not to stop the rampant fraud
encouraged and perpetrated by Sad Panda's employers, the
Democrats.
Sad Panda is obviously another 'seminar' commenter, unable to
make a coherent point, who just copies and pastes and adds some
invective to earn the measley amount of 'stimulus' money
allocated to pay low-level drones to harass conservative sites.
ADK| 4.6.09 @ 2:00AM
Progressives are oppressive controlling thugs. Their substitute
for assassination is political and character assassination. Their
methods are insidious and convoluted; they smugly congratulate
themselves and call it clever or effective. They give titles to
new legislation, which are of Orwellian double-speak.
Individuality means nothing to them if they haven't approved of
it's characteristic. All their activities are done in the futile
pursuit of some form of egalitarian utopia. They live mostly in
cities... from which they derive in the helplessness of close
quarters the notion that collectivism will protect them, makes
things fair and practical and therefore should be good for
everybody ...
Progressives have a grinding megalith of political careers that
actively eat away our freedoms and our paychecks during our every
waking minute as we try to make a living. Governing should be a
short-lived duty not a long-lived career through retirement.
Government thugocracy seems the progressive’s personal
representative, knocking at my door, telling me how to live, who
I should care for and taking, not asking for, but taking my
money.
I tire of progressives; they seem to me like the emotionally
disturbed kid on the block, either arrogant dweebs or as bullies,
overly interested in telling me how to conduct my business.
Ben Menzies| 5.6.09 @ 12:43AM
Um...did anyone see the post by Mr. Goldberg? Seeing as how he
seems to be the only person who has any idea what they're talking
about on this site, does anyone have a rebuttal? The Spectator
made some serious factual errors, or at least distortions in that
case. Doesn't that call into question the veracity of the rest of
the story?
drudge ette obama| 4.3.09 @ 6:54AM
Believe me, there are few conservatives, Republicans or blue dog democrats in legal services. It's the first stop for new lawyers who want to help the betrodden, only to find out that street law is mostly eviction proceedings, divorce, collections, and minor civil actions. They burn out and complain about the small money, then head out for easy goverment jobs or other nonprofits. They complain that they can't do their do-good work and pay for their law school loans. They expect the government to pay their tuition loans because they are doing good work. Remember Michelle Obama complaining about having to pay her school loans back? She had that same sense of entitlement.
Legal services has a purpose: to help poor people work through the legal system in ordinary life. It is definitely not the place for class actions, etc. That's why the ACLU and private practice exists. Believe me, the for profit sector of the legal profession is ready and panting for the class action that will let them retire.
Besides, if the government takes over all American industry, how can it fund the groups that will eventually sue it?
Marc Jeric| 4.3.09 @ 10:18AM
Our country is the only one in the civilized world where when you sue somebody and lose it costs you nothing. That is why we have 1,100,000 lawyers here; Japan has 10,000, Germany 15,000, and Great Britain only 8,000, for example. In all other civilized countries losing a suit automatically calls for the plaintif to pay all the costs - of the court and of the defendant, both direct and indirect. When shall we address the question of bloodsucking trial lawyers, environmentalists, socialists, communists, and other hyenas living off the fat of the land?
Fred Hayek| 4.3.09 @ 2:06PM
I have written a letter to the Legal Services Corp. suggesting that they prosecute the Heartland Institute for racialism. The president of the think tank is preventing Ralph Conner, an executive at the organization, from running for Lt. Governor of Illinois. Conner is the former mayor of Maywood, Ill., an all-black suburb, and won 250,000 votes when he ran for Cook County Assessor in 2006. Heartland pretends -- when begging funders for money -- that it is part of the freedom movement. But its own president is more tyrannical than Kim Jong Il -- violating the civil rights of one of its employees. We recommend a boycott of Heritage. Starve this beast.
Stephen Goldberg| 4.3.09 @ 4:54PM
I was the lead attorney in the lawsuit about fingerprinting of welfare recipients. Mr. Carlisle accurately states the contents of the decision of the California Court of Appeals in that case. The California Supreme Court did not rule on the case. The only request to the California Supreme Court was a request to depublish the case (that is essentially to erase it from the official record) which was denied.
What Mr. Carlisle does not know is that the California Court of Appeals ruled on arguments that were not made at any point in the litigation. Legal Services of Northern California, on behalf of its client, did not argue that fingerprinting of welfare recipients violated privacy rights or freedom of religion. The only claims made in the case were technical legal claims about whether certain people who were not themselves receiving benefits were required to be fingerprinted, and about whether a fingerprinting system could include the requirement of a facial photograph in addition to a fingerprint. The lawsuit did not challenge the premise that states can require fingerprinting as a condition of receiving benefits. I do not know why the California Court of Appeals ruled on arguments that were not made by the parties in the case.
It is true that lead plaintiff in the case was a member of the Russian Pentacostal Church, which has as a fundamental tenet that the fingerprint is the "mark of the beast" (as do many other faiths and religious leaders). That fact was included in the initial petition in the case. However, no legal argument was made that requiring fingerprinting as a condition of receiving benefits violated free exercise of religion.
The bottom line that Mr. Carlisle criticizes Legal Services of Northern California for legal claims that were not made.
Stephen Goldberg
Staff Attorney
Legal Services of Northern California
Michael Tomlinson| 4.3.09 @ 4:57PM
So-called "blue dog" Democrats are not conservatives. Everyone of them supported Nancy Pelosi for Speaker. Like the crass pols they are when they think it will help them secure votes from gullible conservatives they will vote against Democrat policies knowing they'll pass without their support. Witness the Obama budget and the 20 Democrats who voted against it. A careful review of all their votes reveals they're good liberals too, but just want to make sure they scam the voters back home in their marginally conservative districts.
Learn the lesson no Democrat can be trusted in elected office. Ask Quislings like Christopher Buckley and Peggy Noonan how they feel about their boy Barack whose quadrupled the deficit in 2 months.
J.C.Eaton| 4.3.09 @ 6:59PM
Our good friend, Marc Jeric is correct:America, assuredly, does not suffer for want of representation. Our law schools turn graduates out like little link sausages. Once loosed on society the question becomes:What to do with them? Fortunately, most go into ministerial functions but that 5% or so that become litigators....well, those are the folks who become the ferrets, carbuncles, and pilot fish that are salivating tonight.
Big Leo| 4.3.09 @ 8:33PM
When my nephew became an attorney we were aghast-- such a blot had never besmirched our family before. So far, he is doing good work as an asst. DA, but we keep an eye on him.
Sad Panda| 4.4.09 @ 3:15AM
Do you guys have any actual lawyers read this stuff? This is retardation zone zero. I mean, who approved this?
First lines from the first five comments: This is not comedy, people:
Believe me, there are few conservatives, Republicans or blue dog democrats in legal services.
Our country is the only one in the civilized world where when you sue somebody and lose it costs you nothing.
I have written a letter to the Legal Services Corp. suggesting that they prosecute the Heartland Institute for racialism.
I was the lead attorney in the lawsuit about fingerprinting of welfare recipients.
Ok, enough. I cant even copy paste another. I just dont know what to tell these morons. You people are just sad. Read a book on logic, get some sunshine, stop going to church...
drudge ette obama| 4.4.09 @ 8:23AM
Why so sad, Sad Panda? I am correct in my statement that there are few conservative, Republicans or blue dog demoncrats in legal services. And how is reading a book on logic going to change that fact? Are you the type that always turns to cod liver oil when you are ill or logic when you feel stupid? You aren't a lawyer, for sure, because you made no opposing argument , just junk statements. Sad Panda, go chew some eucalyptus. Tu es assinus.
Skep41| 4.4.09 @ 12:00PM
Thank God for the Democrats! There just arent enough frivolous lawsuits but these geniuses are helping out the economy by creating more jobs in the legal system and helping to get that money that big business steals from the poor back into circulation. With so many geniuses running around in the Senate doing similar good work its easy to forget that Tom Harkin is every bit as destructive, arrogant, stupid, misinformed, cretinous, vengeful and downright idiotic as a Chucky (Schmucky) Schumer or a Patrick (Leaks) Leahy and every bit as nauseating and nonsensical as the retarded dwarf Senatrix who daily disgraces my home state of Gollyvornia. When I ask myself where you find people stupid enough to vote for these incompetent utopians I have only to scroll up and look at 'Sad Panda's' outrage at the five basically true statements that have caused such sadness in the bamboo-munching breast of this pathetic creature. Is it logical to suggest, for instance, that a notoriously radical group like Legal Services has any diversity of opinion amongst the people who work for it? Sad Panda, using the heightened logical powers that animal invokes, should have named another country where losers dont pay the court costs to actually make her point. Does the black and white beastie suppose that Fred is lying- that he didnt send a letter to Legal Services- or is she saying that such a letter was a sign that Fred was dipping too hard into his stash of medical marijuana? As for fingerprinting welfare recipients, everyone knows that requiring proper identification for aid recipients and voters is an attempt to intimidate them and not to stop the rampant fraud encouraged and perpetrated by Sad Panda's employers, the Democrats.
Sad Panda is obviously another 'seminar' commenter, unable to make a coherent point, who just copies and pastes and adds some invective to earn the measley amount of 'stimulus' money allocated to pay low-level drones to harass conservative sites.
ADK| 4.6.09 @ 2:00AM
Progressives are oppressive controlling thugs. Their substitute for assassination is political and character assassination. Their methods are insidious and convoluted; they smugly congratulate themselves and call it clever or effective. They give titles to new legislation, which are of Orwellian double-speak. Individuality means nothing to them if they haven't approved of it's characteristic. All their activities are done in the futile pursuit of some form of egalitarian utopia. They live mostly in cities... from which they derive in the helplessness of close quarters the notion that collectivism will protect them, makes things fair and practical and therefore should be good for everybody ...
Progressives have a grinding megalith of political careers that actively eat away our freedoms and our paychecks during our every waking minute as we try to make a living. Governing should be a short-lived duty not a long-lived career through retirement.
Government thugocracy seems the progressive’s personal representative, knocking at my door, telling me how to live, who I should care for and taking, not asking for, but taking my money.
I tire of progressives; they seem to me like the emotionally disturbed kid on the block, either arrogant dweebs or as bullies, overly interested in telling me how to conduct my business.
Ben Menzies| 5.6.09 @ 12:43AM
Um...did anyone see the post by Mr. Goldberg? Seeing as how he seems to be the only person who has any idea what they're talking about on this site, does anyone have a rebuttal? The Spectator made some serious factual errors, or at least distortions in that case. Doesn't that call into question the veracity of the rest of the story?
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