The American Spectator

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 6:42AM

Paul Ferrara demonstrates why the Republican party has become a politically irrelevant minority extremist party.

If the Republican party wants to portray itself as a shill for polluting industries, the super-rich and uneducated talk radio shock jocks ... well, it is easy to understand why your party isn't a national party any longer.

The Republican party is going the way of the Whigs. You people won't be missed!

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 6:45AM

Oh, and one more thing ...

* "Overall, the notion that this agenda is going to promote long-term economic growth is daft, to be as polite and diplomatic as circumstances will allow. Obama should not even use the words "economic growth." "

The delusion of perpetual, eternal economic growth has ended. That myth has died like the myth that there is a god up in Heaven promising you folks eternal life has died.

Growth ends. Economic growth ends. Population growth ends.

Civilizations established upon the myth of eternal economic growth die. Your civilization is already dead.

Iaidoka| 4.1.09 @ 7:10AM

It's nice to see the Republicans being fiscally responsible. It would be a whole more believable if they hadn't spent like drunk sailors for the last 8 years.

Melvin| 4.1.09 @ 7:18AM

So Dave, you have irrevocable proof that there are no rich Democrats and only Republicans are rich?
Answer this Dave if you have the will and the honesty to do so. Why is it that Democrat tax cheats that President Obama nominates for his cabinet have an extreme aversion of paying their taxes, most recent is Katherine Sebelius. Then all that they have to offer as an explanation is "Oops."
The Nation wouldn't be in this economic situation if leading Democrat politicians and bureacrats would pay their taxes like the rest of the masses have to.
You know what Dave tonight I'm going to go outside and have a barbecue, and I might just use a whole bag of charcoal and a whole can of charcoal lighter and light the whole mess on fire and put enough carbon into the atmosphere that will cause the tree hugging environmentalists to have coronaries.
Then I'm going to the rifle range and shoot my assault weapon that shoots only automatic and put enough bullets through it to make enough noise that the red-headed floppy eared piping plover will have to fly to another state, and then to finish it off I'm going to a gun show and buy a hundred rocket propelled grenades that John Kerry and Hillary Clinton says that are sold their and blow that damn piping plover straight to hell, and then I'll take his little dead carcass to that barbecue that I started earlier and I'll roast and his his ass.
You know why I'm doing this Dave because I am sick and tired of you damn environmental busy bodies with nothing better to do in your miserable stinking existence than to torment Americans who are wanting to do good environmentally, and be decent law abiding Americans and you just won't get off our damn backs with your stupid tyrannical legislation that you and your ilk cram down our throats on a daily basis.
Now that I have had my little rant, want to come over and have some barbecued bird, not much left after I shot him with my new RPG from the gun show. Oh wait a minute UPS just pulled up time to pack up the machine guns and RPGS and send them down to Mexico.

drudge ette obama| 4.1.09 @ 7:42AM

David Mathews:
I have met you before. Remember? I was the volunteer that helped you cope at the Suicide Prevention meeting. Remember? You had been talked out of jumping off the Bridge From NoWhere.

Or was it when I found you crying in a corner across from the Salvation Army. You didn't know why, but after we talked a while, you realized that there was no meaning in your life which was full of anger, hate, lack of quality and dismal joylessness.

I have seen you before, Dave, countless times. Usually you are sullen, shoulders slumped as you drag you flip-flopped feet across the bus station in a worn out t-shirt and unkemp hair. Black is your favorite color. Hope is not eternal for you, Dave.

And I can only imagine that when you were busy writing the entries above that you were excited when you hit the submit because you believed it would hurt your enemy, your fellow Americans, but your energy can only be sapped by such shrimp food as you write and yourself.

I wish I could let you know how it feels to be patriotic, to love a country as much as I love America. And I wish you could know what joy is, what faith feels like and what powers a person to stand for right, not hate. You can not hurt others, Dave, by your writings, only yourself.

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 7:51AM

Hello Melvin,

* "You know why I'm doing this Dave because I am sick and tired of you damn environmental busy bodies with nothing better to do in your miserable stinking existence than to torment Americans ... "

Undoubtedly you are torrmented, Melvin. You are tormented by your own miserable self and your addiction to guns, consumerism and religion.

If you could live differently, you would. Pray to God for the Rapture because your world is ending. Your nation is a zombie and your dreams are dead.

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 7:53AM

Hello Drudge,

* "I wish I could let you know how it feels to be patriotic, to love a country as much as I love America. And I wish you could know what joy is, what faith feels like and what powers a person to stand for right, not hate. You can not hurt others, Dave, by your writings, only yourself. "

Blah blah blah ... uneducated conservative talk radio speak. The Repunblican party died when it became the political party of the uneducated idiots.

Ryan| 4.1.09 @ 8:11AM

Hey David,

Howzabout an intelligent, point-by-point rebuttal of the article?

Otherwise, I'm placing you in line outside even the regular lefties, and will just ignore you...mostly because I don't ever see a relevant argument in your posts.

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 8:14AM

Hello Ryan,

* "Howzabout an intelligent, point-by-point rebuttal of the article? "

Republicans preaching fiscal responsibility after George W. Bush makes about as much sense as Rush Limbaugh preaching "say no to drugs" after his oxycontin addiction robbed him of his hearing.

The Republican party is a politically irrelevant extremist minority party for a reason.

Hank Rearden| 4.1.09 @ 8:18AM

David Mathews:

From a "uneducated conservative..." to whatever it is you are supposed to represent; wherever you received this education of yours that you are so proud of, you need to get your money back.

I think that the comments posted by you this morning will provide an excellent basis for your attorneys to pursue a lawsuit on your behalf.

drudge ette obama| 4.1.09 @ 8:20AM

David Mathews: Check your spelling and punctuations, David , 'else someone might think you are what you accuse others of being: uneducated. Maybe the frenetic response that built up in you as you were typing, including frothing of the mouth, caused you to overlook your p's and q's.

Also, you picked the paragraphs to rebut in both my and Melvin's submission which clearly irritated you the most. Careful, David, you might confirm your weaknesses and fears to those who already have you pegged.

Now, David, that you have told us all we could ever be interested in about you personally, why don't you tell us specifically what you don't agree with in the Republican budget proposal? Then tell us why?

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 8:25AM

Hello Hank,

* "I think that the comments posted by you this morning will provide an excellent basis for your attorneys to pursue a lawsuit on your behalf. "

blah blah blah ... conservatives really cannot handle reality, can they?

What Would Oxycontin Rush Do?

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 8:27AM

Hello Drudge,

* "Now, David, that you have told us all we could ever be interested in about you personally, why don't you tell us specifically what you don't agree with in the Republican budget proposal? Then tell us why? "

The Republican party doesn't have a legitimate budget. If you are gullible or deluded enough to believe otherwise that is only because your mind is addled by too much Matt Drudge and Talk Radio.

Bram| 4.1.09 @ 8:27AM

Damn Dave! You are up and trolling early this morning. Why not get out of the dorm - or is it Mom's basement - and do something useful today?

Earn some money and see how much the government lets you keep. Get some exercise, read a book not written by a communist. You will feel better about yourself.

drudge ette obama| 4.1.09 @ 8:29AM

Hank, good point about the lawsuit that David Mathews may have against whatever institution uneducated him. There is probably a basis for certification of a class action.

David's parents were probably relieved when he finally left home at the age of 47. You see, David's parents got tired of Sesame Street reruns on the t.v. (David TIVOs his favourite episodes) and all the leftoever crumbs on the couch from his Pringles binging. I hear his father still wants to redo the paternity test, again.

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 8:37AM

Hello Big J,

* "One of the most fascinating aspects of this country is our tolerance for people like Dave. I only wish they would show us the same respect. They are so insecure in there beliefs, they will not sleep until they get everyone else to agree with them. "

That's ironic coming from the Rush Limbaugh - Fox News - Talk Radio crowd.

* " I would recommend saving your ammo, however. It seems that since we have an extreme leftist gun control crowd in power, it has become very hard to come by. "

Good. I'd prefer to take away your guns and ammo. Conservatives use them as security blankets for their own cowardliness.

* "They despise our faith because they can't or won't understand it. They certainly don't understand our love for this country. "

Your fundamentalism is senseless, your partriotism is merely a form of racism, bigotry, xenophobia and perpetual warmongering.

* "Finally, they despise America. I have never figured this one out, they are certainly free to leave. "

No, we don't hate America ... we own America. You are a politically irrelevant extremist minority for a reason. You whine and moan and cry all of the time for a reason.

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 8:38AM

Hello Drudge & Bram,

I hear the uneducated moaning of the talk radio drones in your words. Too bad all of your rhetorical bullets are blanks.

Don't worry, Rush Limbaugh will be on soon ... he'll tell you everything is alright!

TennesseeVolunteer| 4.1.09 @ 8:49AM

To everyone but Dave:
Let's make a pact to ignore mind numbed robots like Dave and Jeremiah. They are invisible to me and I will NEVER read their posts again.
To all of you Patriots, but not Dave: Your spirit uplifts me. This is our time to stand up and continue to pursue that happiness that was so central to the founders. Though the business climate is very tough right now, I have never felt more alive. We are participating in history right now, I won't be found on the side of feeling sorry for myself or blaming others (like Dave) for all that has happened. I don't know about y'all but I have learned more in the last year about the world, people and myself than all of my 55 years before. Some would say I am a slow learner! But, I'll get there with a great wife and sons, great employees and great friends. Let's all get in the arena that Teddy Roosevelt talked about while Dave sits over there, afraid to take a chance, afraid the government won't take care of him, afraid that someone who works twice as hard and as long will do better than he does! We all know people like him, I feel sorry that he doesn't know what life can really be like. You have to be free to know that!
I appreciate all of you!

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 9:03AM

I'm sorry I've been such a shiite head all this time. I'll begin the depopulation of the earth tonight by ending my own sad existence.

smc| 4.1.09 @ 9:11AM

Here's another thing y'all need to read:
http://www.abanet.org/abastore/index.cfm?section=main&fm=Product.AddToCart&pid=3170033
I also like this because it gives the in-depth history of the constitution -- lest we forget:
http://www.amazon.com/Making-America-Substance-Meaning-Constitution/dp/0880800178
My 8 year old is reading it right now -- so you should all be able to handle it.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 10:34AM

Well. I want to know just one thing. When in the heck is Obama going to pick someone for his team that isn't a TAX CHEAT!
Jezzz, this is what number 6 with tax problems.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 10:38AM

Guys.... stop wasting your time with Davie. He won't answer your questions with any real thought.
He just repeats the same lib talking points.

Gill O'Teen| 4.1.09 @ 11:07AM

I find it ironic that obumah's mindless monkeys criticize Rush Linbaugh for his well known drug problems, yet fail to recall that their lord and master confessed to his own drug crimes in one of his biographies.

Melvin| 4.1.09 @ 11:07AM

Ahh, Dave's just like a chew toy, slobbers, and prances around allot waiting for someone here to throw the ball.
People look at the bigger issue here. Obama can't seem to appoint any Democrat politician and or bureaucrat that doesn't have tax issues.
Blow this up party wide, how many Congressmen, Senators, unappointed party loyalists have not paid their taxes?
Where is the Congressional and Senatorial oversite?
Hell, I'm just whistling pass the graveyard Americans aren't going to do anything but rollover and die, no one is willing to fight for freedom anymore.

Gill O'Teen| 4.1.09 @ 11:14AM

I neglected to cite a source. Here’s one from Chairman Barry’s Sycophant News :
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/12/politics/uwire/main3823725.shtml

“Obama first told of his early drug use in his 1995 memoir, ‘Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.’"

Peter McGrath| 4.1.09 @ 11:16AM

The GOP's budget proposal is just the beginning.

America needs to be educated - from whatever sources are available - about the implications of Obama's spending plans. Regardless of whatever substantive policy goals he is espousing, our nation simply cannot afford (1) nationalized health care, (2) carbon taxes, (3) massive federal increases in education spending, along with funding existing entitlements (Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid). The so-called "stimulus" and trillions in bailouts are the icing and cherry on the arsenic cake. As Senator Gregg made clear, the reckless spending will bankrupt our nation. Between a devalued the dollar and devastating inflation, there simply won't be enough capital in the private economy to sustain our population. Obama, of course, wants Big Government to be in charge of the inevitable rationing of food, medicine, and services.

Who in their right mind could support such a disastrous path for our people?

What has happened to the spirit and character of the American people so as to be complicit in this economic suicide pact?

Have we become a nation of fools and cowards?

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 11:28AM

On its face the GOP budget is unbelievable at best. Its a total contrast to what the Demo's want. They know it will never get passed. So they load it up with eye candy to convince the American people that Obama's plan is wrong.

But what it really says is that "class" and "elitism" should rule the roost. They want to increase wealth for the wealthy and keep the middle class middle class. And keep the poor as poor as possible.

They want 95% of the American people to serve at their pleasure through tax cuts for the rich. A family that makes 30k a year gets taxed 3k by the feds and whatever by the state. A person that makes 3m a year gets taxed 750k and whatever by the state. But with all the loopholes they probably only pay 250k in taxes.

It has to stop. We have to stop serving at their pleasure folks. A family of 4 living off 30k is far different than a family of 4 living off 3m folks. Take into consideration food, bills, medical, education, ect etc etc. These thieves need to be stopped.

Its not going to trickle down. We've seen that over and over again. The Madoffs trickled it into offshore accounts. They trickle it oversees so they can escape paying Americans health care. They trickle it into 10m dollars in shoes while their own workers are being laid off.

IT HAS TO STOP FOLKS!!

Tim| 4.1.09 @ 11:54AM

Talk is cheap. When they had the power they spent shamelessly. This is meaningless.

atlarge| 4.1.09 @ 11:54AM

David, don't you find it hard to type with your head implanted firmly in your rectum?

B.W. MaGurk| 4.1.09 @ 12:06PM

The Republican Party's dogma is dead and their ideology of every man for himself has gotten this country into the worst shape it's been in in the last 70 years. Now they want to save us from ourselves? Bloody marvelous!

And yet the American still willingly bends over, grabs his ankles and says "Again please"!

Amazing!

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 12:14PM

Hello Y'all,

I can see that the conservatives are about as bitter and angry and whiny and delusional as ever. I suppose that you people aren't going to be leading the nation anytime soon so you'll have plenty more opportunity to keep on crying yourself to oblivion.

Poor little conservatives ... the world has passed you by and kept going.

n0thing| 4.1.09 @ 12:31PM

Thank you for a very insightful article. Only a communist moronic Democrat could fail to understand that the best solution for job losses and reduced federal revenue is to cut more jobs and reduce federal revenue. Stupid liberals! Don't they know that we can trust rich people to invest in our country? THERE IS NO PROBLEM IN THE WORLD THAT CANNOT BE SOLVED BY LOWERING TAXES!

Go forth, rich people, and invest in our country! We know we can trust you!!

I just wish more Americans understood just how evil all those "green" sources of power really are. Solar panels and windmills? Hah...what a joke. The countries in Europe that claim use them successfully are obviously lying.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 12:34PM

Their budget is a wolf in sheeps clothing budget.

They expect us to believe that ALL OF A SUDDEN...they've become fiscally responsible.

Its like saying the wolf woke up one day saying its a sheep. Its still a wolf folks! No amount of wool will make that wolf into a sheep.

Although Obama's plan is not perfect. His plan does call for sacrafice NOW and not later. But what it really shows is fixing what ails us NOW and not later.

The GOP has a fiscal policy of treating the symptom only. But what they don't get is that the symptoms will ALWAYS be there until they cure the disease. The Democrats are trying to cure the disease. They are not trying to mask it with aspirin.

Take this pill America!! If we keep you doped up so you won't see the truth. I disagree with the poster who said they will go away like the Whip party. I think they are going away like the Confederate Party.

This really is a financial civil war we're in. Most people are no longer resigned to serve at the elitists pleasure. Its time for them to give back to America. We've been giving for over 200 years now. Its time for them to give back.

Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 12:42PM

Dave Mathews is an honest man. He calls for the end of civilization and the death of capitalism and Christianity. He wants us to return to a hunter-gatherer society. Roots and berries for all 50,000 people left on earth. And he supports Obama. That's sound thinking, since Obama's budget and proposed regulations could accomplish just that.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 12:46PM

Texas2step
Although Obama's plan is not perfect. His plan does call for sacrafice NOW and not later. But what it really shows is fixing what ails us NOW and not later.
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Really?.
Well so far everyone is going to take it on the chin. Even though Obama said there 95% not not be paying taxes. Which is a lie.. and NO proof he is going to stop this crazy spending.
So.. please show any of us some type of proof they/dem's are telling us the truth.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 12:54PM

I'm willing to give the GOP the benefit of the doubt.

If they can guarantee us that these businesses will re-invest into the American economy then I'm sold. That means within 2 years of approving their budget we have ZERO outsourced jobs. Google outsourced jobs and you will be amazed at how much money we send overseas instead of re-investing in America.

They guarantee me no outsourced jobs in two years and I will support their budget.

If jobs are still being outsourced after two years then that business gets taxed 50% and they must pay 100% health care for their workers and their families.

What guarantees are in place that the rich don't just pocket the money like they've been doing for hundreds of years? Microsoft outsources jobs because we just can't compete educationally with India.

What guarantees do we have that Bill Gates will hire an American to write code before he hires an Indian to write code. Especially if he can pay that Indian penny's on the dollar plus no health care.

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 12:55PM

Hello Big Leo,

* "Dave Mathews is an honest man. He calls for the end of civilization and the death of capitalism and Christianity. He wants us to return to a hunter-gatherer society. Roots and berries for all 50,000 people left on earth. And he supports Obama. That's sound thinking, since Obama's budget and proposed regulations could accomplish just that. "

It is too bad that your education ended a long time ago.

Let me tell you the truth:

1. All civilizations end, including our own.

2. Capitalism is dead, it died with eternal finality in August, 2007.

3. Christianity would be just fine ... except for the Christians. Christ is blasphemed by the Christians. The Christians would crucify Christ a thousand times.

4. The population collapse is coming and there isn't anything anyone can do to stop it from happening.

5. Future generations will consider themselves lucky if they can forage for fruits and nuts in order to stay live ...

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 12:56PM

Hello Dustoff,

* "So.. please show any of us some type of proof they/dem's are telling us the truth. "

I'd ask the Republicans to tell the truth ... if they were at all capable of telling the truth. But there aren't enough Republicans left to care any more about the snake oil that they are selling in vain to the talk radio crowd.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 12:58PM

Texas2step
I'm willing to give the GOP the benefit of the doubt.

If they can guarantee us that these businesses will re-invest into the American economy then I'm sold. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Really. Well I'm going to break your Obama heart. The gov is buying condoms from China rather than a US company who had the contract with the Bush adm. Why? Because they can get them cheaper.

Would you like your crying towel now.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 12:59PM

Davie... after all these years.. you never grow up. Go away child, so adults can have a real talk.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 1:03PM

Texas2step
What guarantees do we have that Bill Gates will hire an American to write code before he hires an Indian to write code. Especially if he can pay that Indian penny's on the dollar plus no health care.
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First of all. Mr. Gates is a big lib.. Second he's getting these people because the US can't turn out enough code writers.

You really should look this stuff up first.

David Mathews| 4.1.09 @ 1:06PM

Hello Dustoff,

* "Go away child, so adults can have a real talk. "

Calling these conservative dittohead drones adults is sort of like calling Rush Limbaugh an intellectual.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 1:06PM

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 12:46PM
Really?.
Well so far everyone is going to take it on the chin. Even though Obama said there 95% not not be paying taxes. Which is a lie.. and NO proof he is going to stop this crazy spending.
So.. please show any of us some type of proof they/dem's are telling us the truth.
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Where did he say 95% of the people will NOT pay taxes? I believe he said, 95% of the people will pay LESS taxes.

The IRS also released new withholding tables on its Web site to help guide employers in reflecting the new credit.

Go to the IRS website and view for youself the tax cuts as of April 1, 2009.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 1:10PM

Texas...

He said that during his campaining days..over and over. Remember 38% don't pay at all.

These are IRS records.. not me.
By the way. If your mad at REP for spending to much, what in the heck makes you think spending 3X more well work?

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 1:11PM

Texas.
Go to the IRS website and view for youself the tax cuts as of April 1, 2009.
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HAHAHAH right 10 bucks more per week.
Cap & trade will erase all of that when your energy bill hits.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 1:11PM

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 1:03PM

First of all. Mr. Gates is a big lib.. Second he's getting these people because the US can't turn out enough code writers.

You really should look this stuff up first.
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Which goes to show Obama is right. We need to invest in education.

Manufacturing is DEAD in this country. Yet, the GOP wants to keep throwing money at a dead industry. Technology is the now and its the future. Yet the GOP wants to give the rich a tax cut so they can outsource technology jobs to the Indians.

I'm not here to serve at their pleasure anymore. They had their chance and ran up everything like a drunken lady with an unlimited credit card. Now they pretend to care about 95% of Americans?

I'm not buying it.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 1:14PM

Teaxs,
Which goes to show Obama is right. We need to invest in education.
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You know nothing about Gates do you.
He gives away a huge chunk of his money to schools.
Now he has pulled some of it back on a few schools who never showed improvement after all the bucks.

Bob| 4.1.09 @ 1:15PM

There is no one on this board that angers me more than Ferrara when he talks about economics since he consistently misuses the data. However, I am in fundamental agreement with him on this budget.

The strong point of the Republican budget is their willingness to attack entitlement reform. It is the right thing to do and why Obama's budget is dangerous. However, the tax cuts are misplaced since tax cuts have never lead to increased federal revenues. Furthermore, their solution to healthcare costs is extremely weak and this is probably the biggest problem we face over the longer term and has a major effect on entitlement spending. The cuts in non-military discretionary spending will also cut most investment in infrastructure development which we need for a number of reasons.

The tax policy is acceptable, but we don't know the details to see if corporate loopholes and wealthy deductions are kept. I would prefer a flat tax with very limited deductions and no payroll tax. I would also prefer to get rid of corporate taxes altogether and put a consumption tax in its place. While fairly radical, this approach would capture taxes from foreign manufacturers and give us an export advantage. In addition, it would obviate the need of corporations to relocate outside of the U.S. and thus would create white collar jobs.

Now if we could just combine some of the Republican ideas on entitlement reform with a compromise on healthcare and Obama's investment in infrastructure, we might have something.

Now if we could combine the entitlement refor

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 1:16PM

Texas
Yet the GOP wants to give the rich a tax cut so they can outsource technology jobs to the Indians.
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You failed to read this didn't you.
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The gov is buying condoms from China rather than a US company who had the contract with the Bush adm. Why? Because they can get them cheaper.
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Shall I link the website for you.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 1:18PM

Bob
The strong point of the Republican budget is their willingness to attack entitlement reform.
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Ah, Medicare/Drug increase during Bush.

Dude.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 1:20PM

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 1:10PM
Texas...

He said that during his campaining days..over and over. Remember 38% don't pay at all.

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THAT'S NOW!!! Under 8 years of GOP rule. And the ones that do pay taxes CHEAT.

The I.R.S. report concluded that proprietors of small businesses, investors and farmers cheated the most. Workers who had 99 percent of their wages reported to the government and taxes withheld from their paychecks were the least likely to cheat. Mr. Everson acknowledged that the estimate is probably low ...

The biggest single revenue loss came from proprietors of unincorporated businesses ... who shorted the government an estimated $68 billion in 2001.

Cheating by partnerships, most of whose members are wealthy professionals or investors, was put at $22 billion, while cheating by landlords and those collecting royalties was estimated at $13 billion. In percentage terms, farmers cheated the most ... failing to pay the government $6 billion, or 72 percent of the taxes they should have.

AND THE GOP WANTS TO GIVE THESE THIEVES MORE TAX BREAKS!!!..

Tell you what...if they just paid the taxes due NOW I might be convinced. All I see is them cheating even more.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 1:24PM

Texas
THAT'S NOW!!! Under 8 years of GOP rule. And the ones that do pay taxes CHEAT.
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yeah your right and they work for the Obama team. Right Timmy and now what , we now have another who didn't pay.
You really want to stay on this tack.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 1:29PM

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 1:16PM
The gov is buying condoms from China rather than a US company who had the contract with the Bush adm. Why? Because they can get them cheaper.
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And they can get them on time vice NEVER like the company was doing. It was taking tax payer money and not producing the product. No other company in American can produce condoms at the rate needed. So that company tried to hold us hostage because they could.

Whelp...sucks to be them now don't it?

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 1:43PM

Texas
LOL!!! Typical GOP kool aid drinker.
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Ahhhhhh, what's the matter buddy, you can't refute me. So here comes the insults.

Typical Dem/lib.

So I see your attacking a US company. So you hate America and love China.
What a shame.
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All those government contracts going to friends and family are OVER
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Darn, does that mean ACORN is going to give back the Obama millions they just got?

Texas...
Your not good at this are you. (-:

Hank Rearden| 4.1.09 @ 2:09PM

The GOP makes a great Bridesmaid, but I hate it when they become a bride. It seems like the best ideas and legislation come about when they're in the minority and not the majority. However, I suppose that is the benefit of not having enough vote to pass significant legislation. The difference between this budget and the Obama budgets is like having to choose the electric chair or lethal injection. Drastic changes need to be made to alter the course that these statists have put us on, very drastic changes indeed.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 2:16PM

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 1:43PM

Texas...
Your not good at this are you. (-:
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LOL!!! Typical thugblican talking points.

When you can't debate...Start the hate.

Just like the, "Just say NO to everything" politics they deploy.

Listen...I'm very good at most things and outstanding with the rest. What you seem to be lacking is a rational argument with their plan. What you rely on is GOP talking points instead of your own education on subject matter.

That makes you a very ignorant person IMO. Ignorant in the sense that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 2:19PM

Texas...

Now your really going to be unhappy.
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WASHINGTON -- While Congress has been flaying companies for giving out bonuses while on the government dole, lawmakers have a longstanding tradition of rewarding their own employees with extra cash -- also courtesy of taxpayers.

Capitol Hill bonuses in 2008 were among the highest in years, according to LegiStorm, an organization that tracks payroll data. The average House aide earned 17% more in the fourth quarter of the year, when the bonuses were paid, than in previous quarters, according to the data. That was the highest jump in the eight years LegiStorm has compiled payroll information.

Total end-of-year bonuses paid to congressional staffers are tiny compared with the $165 million

Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 2:23PM

Texas,
Is it rational to create a budget so huge that European nations are complaining that it soaks up all the available money we need for economic development? Is it rational to decry the Bush deficit (which was declining) and celebrate a deficit that will approach 100% of GNP? Is it rational to think that increasing taxes will help businesses, the only real wealth producing and job producing engines in the country to improve the economy?

And on tax cheats-- some cheat, most don't in any category. How do you know all the tax cheats are Republicans? After all, big Wall Street and big business gave more money to the Dems than to the Republicans.

Methinks whiteman speaks fluent cliche.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 2:23PM

Wow...my portfolio has jump 15% in the last month.

That Obama sure is dumb.

I was especially thrilled after the thugs provided their budget numbers. The dow swung 400 points in the minutes afterwards. That lets me know that they feel better about what Obama wants than what the thugs want.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 2:28PM

Oh stop Leo:

Well, let’s start with the ultra-rich. Billionaire Warren Buffett has argued that he isn’t being asked to pay his share. He went around his office, asking people what share of their income they pay in income taxes. Buffett’s 17.7 percent tax rate compared a bit too favorably with the 30 percent tax rate paid by his secretary.

So it appears that the tax system favors the super-rich over working stiffs.

And Buffett went a step further, putting his money where his mouth is. Last November he issued a challenge to his fellow billionaires:

I’ll bet a million dollars against any member of the Forbes 400 who challenges me that the average (federal tax rate including income and payroll taxes) for the Forbes 400 will be less than the average of their receptionists.

So far, no-one has taken him up on this bet.

Yet the GOP wants to give Warren Buffet another tax break!?!?

Me thinks you drinking to much "talking points" flavored kool aid.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 2:32PM

Texas.
Billionaire Warren Buffett has argued that he isn’t being asked to pay his share.
++++++++++++++++++++++

And 'who' is stopping him from sending in more? What about Soros, he could too. Yet neither do.

Funny to complain, yet do nothing when you could.

Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 2:34PM

Yet the top 5% continue to pay 85% of the taxes. Have another glass of Kool Aid, Tex.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 2:37PM

Big leo
Yet the top 5% continue to pay 85% of the taxes. Have another glass of Kool Aid, Tex.
__________________

Per IRS records.

Funny how they miss that one.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 2:42PM

• Real wages have been stagnant for many workers in the 2000s. After rising quickly in the second half of the 1990s, most workers real wages have been stagnant in the 2000s, especially since 2003. This result holds for a wide variety of wage and compensation measurements, including those that add the value of fringe benefits.

• The productivity/wage gap has grown. The gap between productivity growth and workers wages, especially those of middle- and low-wage workers, is at a historically high level.

• Wage growth has been unequal. Wage growth in the 2000s followed a highly unequal pattern, and higher-wage workers gained the most ground.

• Despite low unemployment, workers' bargaining power has diminished. Though the unemployment rate has been low in historical terms, it does not capture the erosion of employment relative to the population caused by weak growth in (or withdrawal from) the labor force over the past few years.

The bottom line is that many workers still lack the bargaining power to claim their fair share of the productivity growth they themselves are helping to create. This is partly due to weak job creation over the course of this recovery.

• More downward pressure on wage growth is likely. The recent slowing of productivity growth and rising unemployment are likely to place further pressure on most workers' real wages in the near to medium terms.

Yep...bring back Reagonomics. It really is a god send to 95% of Americans.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 2:43PM

It doesn't trickle down. Never has...never will.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 2:45PM

Texas.

Well my wages have been going up since 2000.

Care to post this website you got your info from?

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 2:51PM

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 2:37PM
Big leo
Yet the top 5% continue to pay 85% of the taxes. Have another glass of Kool Aid, Tex.
=================================

So you admit it? Those who make more should pay less right? Those who make less should pay more correct?

Me thinks if you make more you should pay MORE and if you make less you should pay LESS. You fail to realized that top 5% makes 85% of the money in this country.

Me thinks you've been checkmated.

So you might want to update your talking points. Maybe take up a nice game of tiddly winks.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 2:52PM

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 2:45PM
Texas.

Well my wages have been going up since 2000.

Care to post this website you got your info from?

=================================

Sure...if you care to post proof that your income has went up since 2000.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 2:55PM

I'm a fightnurse. pay was around 62.000 in 2000. It's now 71.300.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 2:58PM

Texas....

Website please.

Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 3:01PM

One of the tricks of making the "rich" look to be under-taxed is to include Social Security payments as a tax. That's another question entirely. The rich people I know pay a very high effective tax rate. One reason is that the tax shelters so common in the sixties and seventies are now gone. One thing that has energized the economy is the end of the various encouragements for the rich to put money in essentially unproductive tax shelters.

Social Security is basically a bastardized pension and disability program. It is expensive because of programs like SSI, which award benefits to people who don't pay into the system and other similar political tinkering . Any private plan could do better. I was fortunate (and thrifty) enough to put as much in my private retirement and a disability insurance plan as I was forced to pay into Social Security. Now that I am retired, and after several years of disability, I received nearly three times as much from the private insurance as I did from SS, and three and a half times what SS is paying me, and all for the same contributions.

Right now, 38% of all American households pay no income tax. Most of the rest pay very little. We are coming dangerously close to that danger to democracy that has been declared for hundreds of years-- Democracy can only survive until the majority figures out that they can vote themselves benefits from the public purse at the expense of the minority. You, of course, want more of this theft which is debilitating to the recipients of government doles and deadly to the existence of democracy itself.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 3:02PM

No way can the GOP un-ring a bell. Americans eyes are WIDE open at all the thievery that has been going on.

The days of golden parachutes and billion dollar payouts at the expense of good honest working folk are GONE.

No way do Americans sign on for that anymore. They can put out all the budgets they want to. Tax cuts for the filthy rich will never make it to the House. Let alone TO the House.

You'd be a fool to try to pass legislation to cut taxes for the rich. The GOP knows today's proposal is more "NO" politics. If they tried to walk that through for REAL they would lose every state and local seat known to man.

Eyes wide open....

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 3:06PM

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 2:55PM
I'm a fightnurse. pay was around 62.000 in 2000. It's now 71.300.
=================================
Assuming that I would ever just take your word for it I will say this. A can of tuna cost 35 cents in 2000. Now its 85 cents a can.

You're purchasing power is down Dustoff. You need to double your 2000 pay just to break even.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/business/29tax.html

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 3:07PM

Texas
The days of golden parachutes and billion dollar payouts at the expense of good honest working folk are GONE.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You mean like this guy.
____
Emanuel made $16.2 million in his two-and-a-half-year stint as a banker, according to Congressional disclosures.[28][29] At Wasserstein Perella, he worked on eight deals, including the acquisition by Commonwealth Edison of Peco Energy and the purchase by GTCR Golder Rauner of the SecurityLink home security unit from SBC Communications.[28]

Emanuel was named to the Board of Directors for the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation ("Freddie Mac") by then President Bill Clinton in 2000. His position earned him at least $320,000, including later stock sales.[30][31] He was not assigned to any of the board's working committees, and the Board met no more than six times per year.[31]

During his time on the board, Freddie Mac was plagued with scandals involving campaign contributions and accounting irregularities.[32][31] The Obama Administration rejected a request under the Freedom of Information Act to review Freddie Mac board minutes and correspondence during Emanuel's time as a director.[31]

The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) later accused the board of having "failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention." Emanuel resigned from the board in 2001 when he ran for Congress.[33]

Eyes wide open.... / bet they are NOW!!!

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 3:09PM

Texas....

It gets better

In 2005, Emanuel worked with Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich to pressure the FDA to allow prescription drug re-importation

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 3:19PM

Texas...

You have any idea who easy it is to beat you on this.
A can of tuna cost 35 cents in 2000. Now its 85 cents a can.
++++++++++++++
Try inputting the many rules for hunting Tuna/ Albcore by the gov... Cost of fuel and workers cost. Do you know that most of the fishing for tuna has left the US.

I really don't care if you think what I make or not.
But I can tell you. It requires many years in college. Plus my yearly testing and training for new AED's/life pack 12 and heart drugs.

Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 3:20PM

Sorry, Texas-- despite the tuna fish, there hasn't been a hundred per cent inflation in the last nine years. Most things cost just a little more than they did in 2000, and a few things cost less. I keep track of every penny I spend and have for fifty years. The last ten years has had less inflation than any time since I started keeping track, and all the studies of the economy and cost of living agree with me.

Sorry about the tuna fish, though. I hate tuna fish and don't buy it, so I'll take your word for that one.

TYBOOTH| 4.1.09 @ 3:21PM

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.
Republicans believe every day is 4th of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15. A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when OBAMA loses his. - Ronald Reagan

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 3:24PM

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 2:55PM
I'm a fightnurse. pay was around 62.000 in 2000. It's now 71.300.
=================================

You should be happy. Under Obama's plan you get a tax break.

But lets look at this realistically shall we.

Under the GOP's plan they would decrease the amount of revenue the governments makes. To offset that they would decrease government spending.

NOW, that's their plan in a nutshell correct?

Who gets the brunt of that lost revenue and decreased government spending? Answer...the middle and lower class will take it up the poop chute to serve at the pleasure of the rich.

Medicare/Medicaid....GONE.

Education....GONE.

Infrastructure...GONE.

Yet, the rich can still afford the best medical, education and never have to drive on pothole filled roads. They would just jump on their private jet to go see their kid in medical school.

Its just not going to happen anymore. Those days are over. Its time for everyone to pitch in. Not just the poor and middle class.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 3:28PM

Teaxs...

Post the info you said you would...!

Quite dancing around your statement.

You post stuff. I refute it... so you dance..

Jezzzz

Ryan| 4.1.09 @ 3:29PM

One of the best lines I've heard is Ben Franklin's quote about freedom and security is applying it economically.

Is there REALLY any problem with seeking to simplify the tax code and letting any American keep more of their own money?

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 3:33PM

Texas...

Here is a gov website that shows gov spending from 2000 and on.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year2000_0.html#usgs302

Your wrong on every statement you made... it's gone up year after year.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 3:35PM

Texas....
Yet, the rich can still afford the best medical, education and never have to drive on pothole filled roads. They would just jump on their private jet to go see their kid in medical school.

____________________

Dem's are top money makers in the Senate and Congress.

Dude stop making a fool of yourself.

Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 3:38PM

Texas,
Every time there has been a tax break, tax revenues, both in total and as a share of the total from the group being taxed have gone UP, not down. On the other hand, raising taxes only results in a short term gain in revenue. In the long run, people just aren't motivated to make more to get little.

All the Republicans I know use the roads, get educations, and the retired ones get Medicare. How stupid is it to think that we would cut our own throats? Giving more to education alone doesn't improve it or DC and St. Louis would have the best systems in the country instead of the worst. We spend much more than Western Europe does and get less results. Government spend far more on the infrastructure than private industry would to get the same results.

So- you want the 5% that create most of the jobs and drive our economy to pay ALL of the income tax instead of 85% so that the other 95% can have a free ride and get all the benefits. And you call that America. You ought to be ashamed.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 3:57PM

Big Leo
+++

You know, sometimes I wonder what happen to our ED system..

And people wonder why other countries are taking our high tek jobs..

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 4:00PM

GOP plan: Basically, if you have a leaky roof just put a bucket under it. Maybe the next sucker won't notice it.

Obama's plan: Basically, if you have a leaky roof spend the money to get it fixed. That way you can leave the house to your kids without all the mold and mildew.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 4:01PM

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 3:57PM
Big Leo
+++

You know, sometimes I wonder what happen to our ED system..

And people wonder why other countries are taking our high tek jobs..
===============================

could be because they sit on the computer all day just saying "NO" to education.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 4:01PM

Texas.
Obama's plan: Basically, if you have a leaky roof spend the money to get it fixed. That way you can leave the house to your kids without all the mold and mildew.
+++++++++++++++++++++

O-brother, just dancing again... So what other topics would you like to lose on?

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 4:08PM

I can see the headlines tomorrow.

GOP WANTS TO CUT MEDICARE, MEDICAID, EDUCATION, UNEMPLOYEMENT BENEFITS, INFRASTRUCTURE, ECT ECT ECT.

BTW...they want to give the rich another tax break!!

Not only have they upset everyone that voted for Obama and those programs they are now threatening retirees by cutting their medicare and medicaid.

The Party of "No new ideas" really lived up to their name today.

The GOP is twisting in the wind right now. Its like watching a terminally ill cancer patient being taken off life support.

I guess that could actually happen under the GOP's plan.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 4:09PM

Texas.
could be because they sit on the computer all day just saying "NO" to education.
+++++++++++++++++++++

O-for the love of Pete.
I just gave you the gov records for school funding . It increased year after year.

Your becoming another David mathews.
And that is an insult.

Rocco| 4.1.09 @ 4:11PM

The proposed budget by the Republicans needs to be part of an overarching plan to restore our economy, and one way to do that is to remove the mountain of nonsensical regulation that currently exists (not all regulation, though). Our founders understood that the way to maintain our independence in a dangerous world was to develop industry in the country and protect it with a sensible tariff regime. This was the key to a strong national defense. We seem to have lost sight of that today. While I am conservative, I believe, like the Founders, in free enterprise, BUT NOT unbridled capitalism. There is a difference. We seem to be the only ones who naively believe in free trade, while every other country espouses mercantilist ideas (read China, most other Asian economic powers). Being originally from the Steel Belt in PA, I have seen the results of our free trade regime (union intransigence and stupid management also played a big part), and it's not pretty. This would go a long way towards giving the Repubs more credibility in budgetary and economic matters. Bear in mind I am not in favor of punitive, Smoot Hawley style tariffs, just something closer to what our Founders instituted; during that time we were still active traders in the world. Just a thought.

Angel| 4.1.09 @ 4:16PM

Dustoff--2Step IS Dave Mathews. Count on it.

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 4:18PM

LOL!!!!

The GOP just don't get it.

Obama was voted in because the PEOPLE want health care, education, and infrastructure.

WE know that cost money to do.

WHERE WAS THEIR BUDGET LAST YEAR, OR THE YEAR BEFORE, OR THE YEAR BEFORE THAT?

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 4:22PM

April Fools from the No New Ideas Party.

Where was this budget last April Fools? Where was the fiscal responsibility LAST YEAR, THE YEAR BEFORE THAT, OR THE YEAR BEFORE THAT YEAR?

Texas2Step| 4.1.09 @ 4:25PM

Where's that Hillbilly from Louisiana? I believe they call him the savior or the GOP?

I'm sure he'd love to tell the citizens of Louisianna that the levy money will be cut if the GOP's budget gets passed.

OH WAIT...they're mostly poor right. Figures...

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 4:34PM

Yeah your right Angle.

Tex is just like Davie. Typical bah,bah,bah...

Never backing up any point.

Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 4:41PM

Come on, Dave, take off the silly cowboy hat and the fake lizard boots. We see you for who you are!

Michael Tomlinson| 4.1.09 @ 5:19PM

For the Obama fascists like Dave Matthews and Texas2Step (he's no Texan) -- the rich bankers, brokers, auto executives and others you despise overwhelmingly supported Obama and the biggest tax cheats in America are in the Obama cabinet. In fact, the #2 criteria for being an Obama cabinet member is cheating on your taxes (#1 is hating freedom as much as Obama does).

It is time for the GOP to think outside the box and call for scrapping the current tax system (that allows Democrats to cheat Uncle Sam) for a two tier flat tax aimed at helping the middle and upper middle class, zero baseline budgeting, abolishing earmarks, cutting foreign aid to all, but a handful of pro-US countries, cutting the Federal bureaucratic work force by 35% and defunding Democrat special interests groups like ACORN.

Nathan| 4.1.09 @ 5:35PM

To David Mathews: I'm all for an intelligent debate on policy, but you never bring anything to the table. However, you do rant a lot. Question: Do you hear voices? If so, are you currently seeing a psychiatrist? There are medications that may of help to you.

jack| 4.1.09 @ 6:04PM

Hey Paul,where was this budget 8 years ago when the Republicans controlled both houses and Presidency? Oh I forgot,you guys were too busy trying to be Democrats and you succeeded.
Take you budget and shove it. We have a lunatic socialist who also appears to be a complete imbecile as President because the Republicans were gutless. They never fought any of the charges of corruption. Instead they forced Reps out of office while embracing moderates who have destroyed the party.
Even now in this great financial disaster I hear not one single Republican explaining the role of Barney,Dodd, Emanuel,Raines and how Dems looted Fannie and Freddie for personal and political gain. I have to surmise Republicans must also have been involved in this greatest of all US scandals or they would making some noise about it. You guys are incompetent and irrelevant. You have betrayed the people who voted for you and coming up with a budget at this point in time is a bad joke

jack| 4.1.09 @ 6:13PM

Sorry folks but Republicans,if they get power again will do the same thing they did last time. they will enrich themselves and consolidate power. Remember the promise of term limits by Republicans in 90s? they shit canned that the minute they took office.
the only diff between reps and dems is their rhetoric and what they promise. at least the Dems deliver to their constituents,thats more than you can say for any republican. they were just as fiscally irresponsible as the dems were before them. Ryans budget is a joke. It is an insult to our intelligence. Where was this 8 years ago?
Why aren't republicans demanding investigations of crooks like emanuel,rangell,pelosi,frank,dodd? Why isnt Raines in prison? Why isnt Gorelick in Prison? They committed their crimes when you controlled the congress and you did nothing. You let barney frank win because you were afraid of being called racists and heartless. you are no better than the Dems. we need a new party,not one that gives a candidate as hopeless as McCain or Dole ,or a big spender like W.
Remember Reagan took the party by storm,he was not thier choice,he was the peoples choice. This party sucks

Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 7:26PM

Michael Tomlinson's proposals are interesting, though I don't support all of them. One of them sounds wonderful -- "cutting the Federal bureaucratic work force by 35% " Have you ever dealt with the Federal bureaucracy? Assuming we fired the least efficient, an even more horrifying idea, where on earth would these people find jobs? They'd all be on welfare.

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 7:49PM

Big Leo
Have you ever dealt with the Federal bureaucracy?
++++++++++++++++++++++++

As a medical person.... ALL the &%%@!@##%% time.

What do you think. LOL

Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 7:57PM

As a director and other posts of nonprofits, I've dealt with the Federal bureaucracy a lot, too. So tell me, Dustoff, where can you imagine them finding a job? Guano technician at Carlsbad Caverns? Chicken plucker? Encyclopedia salesman?

Siegfried X| 4.1.09 @ 7:59PM

I agree with two of Jack's comments: where was this budget 8 years ago, and the Democrats deliver but Republicans don't.

Even though I disagree with the liberal POLICIES of the Democratic Party, I wish that the machinery, the MECHANICS of the Republican Party worked as well. In other words, I wish that when President Bush had a Republican congress in the first all R. government in 72 years, that he had a 100 day plan which was strongly conservative as Obama's is liberal. Instead Bush gave us TEMPORARY tax cuts, a weak attempt to change Social Security, and a bunch of liberal legislation that Democrats liked.

I also wish that like the Democrats we had a long, clean primary. Instead we had a rigged, short primary in which our leaders let the opposition party choose our candidate.

Evelyn Guzman| 4.1.09 @ 8:34PM

It is sometimes difficult to know who is right or wrong on this matter. Down the road, only history will be able to tell us what worked. Certainly spending money in Iraq where they now have a surplus is wrong. Let us just hope something will work out in the end.

Evelyn Guzman
Debt Challenger

Dustoff| 4.1.09 @ 8:45PM

Evelyn Guzman

We never had a surplus.

Please look at gov records. Between the dot com blow up and 9/11 there was none.

Jezzzzzzzzzzzzz how do people fall for this.

PS... and what surplus they claim, was from Clinton gutting the Armed Forces.

Angel| 4.1.09 @ 10:14PM

I think she means Iraq has a surplus. Who the hell knows?

Howard| 4.1.09 @ 10:37PM

I want to look at the GOP budget. How come they didn't have those tight budgets when they were in control? Also it would have been nice if "W" vetoed a few bills to establish his chops. That being said, this Obama is poison. This country is in deep trouble with him, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of those morons. Scary.

Actor Out Of Work| 4.2.09 @ 1:01AM

Good job wasting time on an "alternative" budget no will vote on and no one cares about. This is a great way to spend our tax payer dollars!

Nathan| 4.2.09 @ 8:17AM

Actually, it is good for the House GOP to put out an alternative budget. The Prohet Obama kept saying his critics always say "no" and offer no alternative. Well, bingo! We have an alternative. It will not become law, but at least the GOP can now point to a plan that shows fiscal responsibility. Of course, it would have been nice if they had found religion during the Bush 43 years, but better late than never.

n0thing| 4.2.09 @ 9:05AM

How on earth can you say the GOP plan is fiscally responsible? It cuts ALL investment into our nation and replaces it with...reduced federal revenue? Only a fool blinded by hatred could fail to see how stupid this is.

n0thing| 4.2.09 @ 9:13AM

"We never had a surplus."

This point is arguable. What is interesting is that even by the most anti-Clinton analysis he missed a surplus by less than $20B. Meanwhile, Bush did around 50 times worse. The fact that you try to spin this as black and white is proof that you're more interested in being right than finding a constructive solution. You're a great example of why the GOP faces some very hard times.

n0thing| 4.2.09 @ 9:18AM

It is hilarious that Republicans used the surplus as justification for tax-cuts, but now deny that they ever existed.

Spin it any way you like...Clinton's budget was FAR better than that of any recent Republican. If Obama offers more of that, which it sure looks like he does, then I'm onboard.

Nathan| 4.2.09 @ 9:36AM

Obama's budget is a roadmap to turning America into a banana republic. So sad. Socialism is upon us.

n0thing| 4.2.09 @ 12:38PM

Oh Please, Nathan. How is it that you're terrified of spending tax dollars to invest in the nation but you're happy to spend them destroying and rebuilding impoverished countries?

If anything Obama has been pulling us away from socialism by moving away from Bush's insane unconstitutional powers of spying and habeas corpus.

The sky is not falling, you idiot, but that's exactly what the GOP wants you to think. Will you really sell your vote for a few extra dollars added to your paycheck? Who cares about investing in the nation anyway, right?

n0thing| 4.2.09 @ 12:40PM

Oh, and one more thing. Obama's "tax hikes" are actually just returns to levels during Clinton and Reagan. We did alright during those times so spare us the doomsday nonsense.

Colony14Author| 4.2.09 @ 2:19PM

Let me see if I understand this correctly...

The leftists are angry that the last Republican budget was so huge it consumed 1.2 per cent of the nation's GDP that they are supporting Obama and the Dems who are kicking that up to 13.1 per cent. And the nation's $400 billion defict was so bad that we need to more than quardruple it!

I am willing to accept that budget deficits under Bush were unwise and harmful to the economy if the Obamatons are willing to admit the same: that deficits are bad, whether you call them "deficits" or "stimulus." (And have you noticed that leftists don't believe in "trickle down economics" unless the spending is done by government?)

Spending money you don't have is a mistake. Upping the ante is an even bigger mistake.

No bail-outs for business or government. Let the bad businesses fail and the politicians look for new jobs.

As for me, I pulled a "John Galt" and am now living on less than 20 per cent of my former salary. Sorry, Obama - but your parasitical supporters (some of whom posted profusely above) will have to do without my generous tax payments!

www.colony14.net

Kevin| 4.4.09 @ 8:42AM

A coerced extraction of money from a population is not, and cannot be, an "investment". It is fascism, pure and simple. Nor can it be justified by other previous confiscatory policies (we did "this" before, so now we can do "that").

The straw man "trickle down" that is routinely trotted out and knocked down by all the statists is just that. In truth, money (wealth) owned by the "rich" is the energy that drives the economy. It is invested in the company you likely work for, it is invested by you in your home, and it pays for the enormous menu of government services that you already enjoy. The rich do not tap into a stream and divert it for their own means - they CREATE the wealth. To try to kill off this spigot of wealth is insane. It will not flow into your backyard, it will just stop flowing.

I think the biggest problem this country has is a population that is totally ignorant of economics.

MT| 4.4.09 @ 7:23PM

People in this country are stupid and spoiled. Yucko.

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