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Stimulated Energy

Live from UC Berkeley, the Coming Age of Alternate Energy, made possible by many a grant from the Stimulus Package.

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The phrase that kept echoing through my mind all day was a comment made recently by Jesse Ausubel, director of the Center for the Human Environment at Rockefeller University: “Alternate energy is going to be the next subprime mortgage meltdown.” Four years from now we’re going to be looking at a landscape littered with useless 50-story windmills and wondering why anybody ever thought they were worth building.

I tried this on a few venture capitalists, expecting a harsh response, and got a surprising answer. “You know, you’re right,” they all said. “It’s already happening with gasohol. Look at those refineries closing in the Midwest. It’ll probably happen here as well. As soon as the government removes those subsidies, the whole industry will collapse.” There’s a book waiting to be written, The Great Solar-and-Wind Meltdown of 2012.

The other thing I discovered is that there’s a whole nuclear underground — people who are convinced nuclear is the answer but are afraid to say it in public. At one point I sat down with a woman in her 50s who turned out to be a physicist. We nattered on cheerfully about alternate energy for a while until she finally asked me what I do. “I just wrote a book about nuclear power,” I said. She immediately turned stone cold sober. “You know I was in nuclear in the 1980s. We thought we had the whole future ahead of us. Then everything fell apart. I think it’s a tragedy this country abandoned nuclear. It would have given us all the clean energy we need.”

Two other quiet enthusiasts were a pair of Haas Business School students, one from Spain, the other from Argentina. “I took a nuclear science course in Spain,” said the young woman, “and the professor showed us there’s nothing to be afraid of. I think it’s ridiculous America isn’t going ahead with nuclear power. Spain is even worse. They’re trying to close reactors down. There’s nothing else that’s going to provide us with enough energy.”

The high point of the afternoon came with the keynote speech by John Hofmeister, former president of Shell Oil and now head of some Washington NGO called Citizens for Affordable Energy. Hofmeister gave one of those speeches that makes you wonder why people ever think businessmen support the free market. “There is no free market in energy!” he thundered. “Look at OPEC! Look at the way the government won’t let us drill offshore. How can you call that a free market?”

So instead of eliminating subsidies and mandates, of course, he wants to do away with markets altogether and let the government run the energy economy. “We need a Federal Energy Resources Board modeled on the Federal Reserve Board,” he concluded. “Financial markets used to go through periodic manias and crashes in the 19th century but in 1913 and since then the peaks and valleys have smoothed out.”

Hofmeister must not have been reading the papers since last August but fortunately there was an economist on hand to re-introduce a little reality. “The Federal Reserve is able to adjust the money supply because it effectively owns the currency of the United States,” said Severin Borenstein, professor of economics at Haas, who served as conference gadfly. “You’re not, I hope, suggesting we turn over ownership of all energy resources to the federal government.”

I won’t elaborate on Hofmeister’s answer except to say that he obviously envisions himself as Chairman of the Federal Energy Resources Board.

The nuclear panel was a quiet little affair held in a small upstairs room with about 30 people in attendance. My fellow panelists, Scott Peterson, of the Nuclear Energy Institute, Cheryl Boggess, of Westinghouse, and John Conway, site vice president of Southern California Edison’s Diablo Canyon, all spoke in favor. The audience, pretty much self-selected, mostly nodded their heads in agreement. (All the Greens were downstairs learning about financing renewables and the future of the U.S. auto industry.)

Boggess took exception when I said the U.S. nuclear industry was pretty much dead. (Westinghouse was bought by Toshiba in 2006.) “We’re hiring right now!” she said. A reporter from the Contra Costa Times asked the obligatory question, “Won’t nuclear power lead to the proliferation of nuclear weapons?” I pointed out that the world is going ahead with nuclear without us and the idea that we still control the technology is delusional. “Does anybody know who’s building the reactor for Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez?” I asked. Nobody did. (The answer is “Russia.”)

Finally somebody got around to mentioning “The Stimulus.” “Since what little money there was for nuclear was eventually cut out of the Stimulus Package,” came the question, “isn’t that bad news for the nuclear industry?”

Peterson of NEI responded. “Frankly, we don’t need any money from The Stimulus. It would have been nice to have it but we don’t need it.”

“We don’t even need the federal loan guarantees,” chimed in Conway, of Southern California Edison. “There are 34 reactors under construction around the world. Nuclear is moving ahead so rapidly and reactors in this country are making so much money — about $2 million a day — all we need is for the federal government to grant us some licenses and let us go ahead and build. We don’t need any government money.”

It was nice to know in the Land of the Stimulus that somebody was still talking about economic value. 

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William Tucker is news editor for RealClearEnergy.org.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (22) |

frost| 3.3.09 @ 6:28AM

Kinda wordy. Might have been summed up by exchanging the word "stimulated" with "simulated," 'ay?

whiterb| 3.3.09 @ 9:28AM

Thanks for attending the meeting. I think you are doing important reporting. Look forward to a book someday.

Billy| 3.3.09 @ 9:41AM

How many liberals does it take to plug in a solar panel? ONE AND HIS NAME IS BARACK OBAMA!

Carner York| 3.3.09 @ 10:48AM

The key to Mr. Lord's article, to me, is that Ghandi made sure to do everything in front of he camera. The tea party concept is a great beginning and it needs to be built upon. Appeal to American patriotism and independence. Make Sam Adams the focal point. Sam Adams T shirts. Get Sam Adams brewery to be a lead sponsor (they'd make a bundle). All things revolutionary in the truest American sense. Next, get deep pocket conservatives to make conservative movies to bolster the appeal to the new American independence. Image sells. Ghandi knew that and so did Reagan. We on the right know that our logic is superior to the left. We just need to be more creative than them in advancing it.

Philosopher | 3.3.09 @ 10:52AM

What happened to true innovation? The artificiality of this whole 'alt' energy industry is mind boggling. It WILL be the next financial meltdown unless some sanity is injected.

I couldn't help myself in writing a little satire on the Liberal-mania to push unworkable eco-solutions on us:

"Hi, My Name is Lib Utopian, and I’m here to Help…"
http://pracphilosblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/hi-my-name-is-lib-utopian/

ccc| 3.3.09 @ 12:27PM

I'm all for getting rid of the subsidies for alternative energy, but I'd sure like to see the subsidies for conventional power scrapped as well. And then there is figureing in the real costs. That whole war in Iraq should have been paid by gas taxes.
More pay as you go is the only way to get some accountablitiy in the system.

frost| 3.3.09 @ 12:44PM

Nah, ccc -- that was ANOTHER one of Dubya's dumb moves. Shouls've insisted on either getting oil in return for their freedom, or having them foot-the-bill with their income from oil.
So much for the supercilious "no war for oil" argument, 'ay?

kent beuchert| 3.3.09 @ 12:46PM

Solar isn't available for peak demand unless it can be stored and used during early evening - THAT is the time of peak demand, not in the middle of the day when the sun is highest. And even in deserts the sun doesn't shine 30 days a year - thus solar is not even reliable for those hours. In the Sunshine state of Florida, the sun doesn't shine anywhere near as much as in the desert Southwest, the spot where solar will be the cheapest it can be. Then there's the issue of cost. California already rapes its citizens for sales taxes, income taxes and high electricitity rates (over 15 cents per kilowatthour). Do you think California will ever figure out that nuclear can produce power 24/7/365 at a cost a fraction of that of solar, and have power plants that don't require thousands of square miles and last for 60 years, not 20?

Marc Jeric| 3.3.09 @ 2:01PM

Solar panels on the roof for hot water? That kind of installation takes steel, copper, glass, carbon black, electric water reciculation pump, steel reservoir - which require enery to produce. The solar energy will take 12 years to equal the energy spent in the fabrication of such an istallation. Dust accumulating on the panels cuts their efficiency drastically - daily cleaning is required. The home owner had better climb up on the roof every day to clean those panels - by water jets probably; and then to dry them to prevent the build-up of deposits. It would be more efficient to live in caves like the Neanderthal man.

Dustoff| 3.3.09 @ 3:19PM

Marc

I had one of them solar heaters for my house. 1988.

OMG. All I did was fix, fix & fix it. The biggest problem was the pump to move warm water to the roof to get hot. Hot water and pump bearings do-not get along well. It leaked and leaked. Never again.

Ilya Stavinsky | 3.3.09 @ 3:45PM

Why Classical Mechanics limited
In this article, from the perspective of classical philosophy, I explain why neither Newton's laws nor the laws of Coulomb’s interaction of charges work in quantum mechanics. Then, from the same point of view, I explain the nature of the conflicting definitions of micro particles...
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Geoff| 3.6.09 @ 1:24AM

Thanks for the article, I would have loved to have heard more of the conversations. Anyway... I have Just one question, why are there so many ignorant smart people????? I just can't believe alll the bad decisions that are made and all the people fighting for the obviously wrong side of an issue. We vote for politicians we don't know anything about, we adopt legislation we know nothing about. We want cheap clean energy but we keep chasing energy that is anything but cheap, clean maybe until you look closer. We hire managers who can do processes but can't manage people and it is the people that are doing the processes. Why is it that everything seems so backwards.....

hgfhgf| 12.2.09 @ 1:38AM

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