The American Spectator : Over Before It Began

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According to Newsweek, "On the Sunday night before the last debate, McCain's core group of advisers -- Steve Schmidt, Rick Davis, adman Fred Davis, strategist Greg Strimple, pollster Bill McInturff and strategy director Sarah Simmons -- met to decide whether to tell McCain that the race was effectively over, that he no longer had a chance to win. The consensus in the room was no, not yet, not while he still had 'a pulse.'"

This spirit of defeat explains why McCain staffers spent the last week or so of the campaign leaking against Sarah Palin. By the end of the race, the choicest pieces of inside-the-beltway elitism were coming not from Barack Obama but from McCain's own staffers. Palin and family, the staffers let it be known, were clinging to their God, guns, and newfound Neiman Marcus items.

"Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast." That is the description Newsweek received from an "angry aide."

That the staffers had given up by October also explains why the most potent attack on Obama came not from the campaign but from pure happenstance outside it: Joe the plumber's accidental meeting with Obama.

McCain acted like that was the first time he had ever heard Obama's thoughts on economic redistribution. Had the campaign exhausted its opposition research budget at Neiman Marcus? To anyone even remotely paying attention, Obama's understanding of taxation as tool of economic redistribution was clear long before Joe the plumber arrived on the scene. Obama had used the word redistribution repeatedly in his writings and speeches.

McCain's last-minute reliance on the gimmick of Joe the plumber made it easy for the media to dismiss his charge of "socialism" against Obama as feeble name-calling. Many months early, the McCain campaign could have been developing that case, and it wouldn't have taken much effort: Obama had let slip socialist, even Marxian, assumptions in his thinking several times, from his Marxian description of religion as an opiate for the masses to his bald calls for "confiscating" the profits of oil companies to his open class warfare.

By the end of the race, the McCain campaign seemed to depend on the latest Drudge Report links for the few talking points it could rouse itself to make. Obama's casual comment about bankrupting the coal industry had been gathering dust for months, only becoming an issue via Drudge at the last moment.

Even when the campaign occasionally stumbled down a promising avenue of attack, it would stop and dart down a new cul-de-sac. Take the ad it ran early on about Obama's work with Planned Parenthood to spread sex-ed propaganda in elementary schools. That ad hit its target squarely enough to generate days of grousing from Joe Biden and, in a rare moment of irritation, Barack Obama. Obama's surrogates in the press also spent days frowning over the ad, another measure of its effectiveness. But where was the follow-up?

The McCain campaign could have rolled out a series of such ads. Instead, social conservatism was henceforth treated by the McCain campaign as a no-go area. For example, the day after the Connecticut Supreme Court imposed gay marriage on the people there, McCain said nothing about the decision. Not a word as far as I could tell was even spoken during the campaign about Obama's de facto support for gay marriage.

Meanwhile, Obama was running ad after ad about his belief in "parental responsibility," crafting an unchallenged image of himself as a centrist. Accidentally, Obama ended up doing more to pass the traditional marriage initiative Proposition 8 in California than McCain: the high turnout of blacks to vote for Obama meant they also voted on Proposition 8, which they supported overwhelmingly.

That McCain lost while traditional marriage amendments across the country, no thanks to him, won is a fitting final note to the haplessness of his campaign. The media perked up briefly in October at the possibility of a rift when Palin strayed from the McCain script by endorsing the marriage amendments. But that quickly passed and the campaign staffers got back to topics of more interest to them, such as, if Newsweek is right, Palin's jackets and John McCain's inevitable defeat.

Letter to the Editor

drudge ette obama| 11.7.08 @ 6:55AM

Well, it seems that the aides needed some aid to design and conduct the McCain campaign. Who can they look to for blame other than themselves. It is obvious that you build your campaign around the qualities of your man. If there aren't too many, well, then, you lose.

And for the aides to begin their squawking imemdiately after the loss is immature and disloyal to the man for whom they worked.

The cheap headlines about the clothing, Africa as a country, or Sarah Palin in a bathrobe while interesting as cheap headlines often are, provide cover while Obama's team queitly builds bunkers and stores ammunition. If I were Sarah Palin, I wouldn't look back, I wouldn't go on cheesy Oprah's show (which opiates the stay-at-home moms). And I wouldn't be interviewed for at least a week.

Why would any decent person go into politics? This is mean stuff.

Doug| 11.7.08 @ 7:20AM

Any advisor to McCains campaign should never be allowed anywhere near the Republican party or any campaign in the future.

John| 11.7.08 @ 7:24AM

McCain was never a good choice, and I didn't vote for him in the primary. I will vote for Sarah next time.

frost| 11.7.08 @ 7:41AM

It's those (pseudo) "professionals like Rick Davis, who collect tons'o'cash for doing an awful job -- but they're picked by McCain, or whom? It's lousy judgement -- they never capitalized on those things they should have - - and, sorry, George, it wasn't the gay stuff, stem-cells or anti-abortion... it was Bill Ayres and the "reverend" Wright; the numerous other Obama mis-steps that might have been properly and legitimately exploited.
I held my nose and voted McCain. The only guy who could have beaten Obama stubbed his toe too early: Rudy Guiliani. Annnd, Sarah? As a 22+ year Alaskan, I knew some of the people she whooped - - she's the real deal.
But the press hates her. And I detest the McCain staff who copped-out of their own goof-ups.

David Le Meur| 11.7.08 @ 8:24AM

The Neumayr observations are a major reason why many of us have left the Republican party - philosophically AND financially. Additionally discouraging is that this pack of electioneering failures will be on some foundation's payroll for some time and trotted out for the next go around. The somewhat unfair notion that I keep coming back to is that: 'government is largely safe harbor for life's losers'.

Anthony| 11.7.08 @ 8:56AM

A pathetic campaign run by a group of inside the beltway losers. Yes, McCain had more than enough issues to bring Obama's numbers down to the 30's. The refusal to hammer away EARLY at Wright and Ayers and the radical agenda was a blunder of mega proportion, because it would have set up the campaign in its final weeks with just a reminder of them. Instead, McCain & Co. waited for Powell to bag McCain before McCain brought out the Wright message and the radical associations. Too little, to late, too desperate appearing. Also, McCain's brain trust was so concerned about offending the moderates, that they failed to see that the moderates were firmly in Obama's camp. Oh well, another blunder by the brain trust. Joe the Plumber was a Godsend that McCain wasted. Palin's success was directly proportional to the adverse response to her by the reprehensible and corrupt MSM and the Obama campaign. Same with McCain & his beltway losers, who, I repeat, were jealous of her natural appeal and her connection with real America. So now this juvenile crap from unnamed aides. No wonder Americans hate Washington and its way of doing business. Good riddence to McCain & his moderate Republican ilk. McCain at least showed us once and for all the fallacy of moderate Republicanism; it's just like the roadkill I passed this morning to work, crushed dead in the middle of the road.

Mark| 11.7.08 @ 9:08AM

It seems more and more like this entire election was a fix and McCain was the designated loser. If Palin had not been on the ticket, it would have been a double digit loss in the popular vote.

Buzz| 11.7.08 @ 9:21AM

A comedy of errors by the McCain Campaign?? Can it simply be as Palin said, God did the right thing on election day??

John T| 11.7.08 @ 9:28AM

McLame's campaign will be a case study in campaign mismanagement in poly-sci courses for generations to come. Why he didn't go after Obama on the social & economic issues was indefensible. Wright, Ayers, Rezko, his attachement to the radical socialist philosophy of Saul Alinsky, the leading liberal fascist of his time, his fraudulent online credit card donations (no AVS verification), and the list goes on and on, were not adequately exploited, or even mentioned.

Palin was the one bright spot of his campaign, and he even managed to screw that up. Giving first interviews to Gibson & Couric? It might as well have been Maureen Dowd.

His campaign advisors will likely end up with lucrative gigs in the new Obama admin.

DanGeorgia| 11.7.08 @ 10:02AM

Conservatives in the party need to access how McCain won the nomination. I believe part of the blame rest with conservative talk radio. Consevative talk radio needs to stay away from promoting or propping up candidates during the early stages of the Republican primaries. They at least need to wait until the field is narrowed down to two or at the most, three candidates before jumping in.

Leading up to the South Carolina primary conservative talk radio was undermining Huckabee while promoting Romney and Thompson. The end result was that McCain won SC while Huckabee came in a close second. Had Rush and others stayed neutral, it is highly likely that Huckabee would have won SC. McCain would have been wounded to the point where Romney would have won FL.

Mccain would have dropped out shortly after FL along with Rudy and Thompson. We would have had a two person race between Romney and Huckabee. Two governors, either one of which could have effectively run as a Washington outsider and against the bailout plan. Both would have run a better campaign than McCain.

Havoc| 11.7.08 @ 10:11AM

I believe that the advantage of incumbency dulls a politician's competitive edge - just as it would a professional football team if it were not required to play a competitive game for a long, long time.

The Republican Party ran a doddering septuagenarian against the political equivalent of Brian Urlacher and the geezer was crushed. This is a result that could only surprise our Republican 'elite'.

Doctor Right| 11.7.08 @ 10:23AM

None of this information should come as a shock, or even a mild surprise to anyone remotely familiar with the mind of Senator McCain. That he would surround himself with inneffective advisors is also not a surprise.

He was a terrible candidate for the Republican Party...In fact, he was probably the weakest candidate in the entire Republican field. Mitt Romney is head-n-shoulders above McCain on economics, Ron Paul ran circles around McCain on issues of Constiutional import, and both Fred Thompson and Rudy Giuliani (who ran an inexcusably bad campaign) are better, more inspiring speakers. And yet...And yet, the Party foisted McCain upon us in a move that smacked of total desperation, believeing all of the McCain campaign's "centrist" drivel, and his supposed appeal to "independents". Well, the independents went 2-1 for Obama, so what was that all about??

I for one am glad that I can stop pretending that McCain is a Conservative, and get back to openly disliking him. He's a war hero? Fine...I can buy that. But he's also a petty, vindictive man who consistently stabbed his Party in the back when it served his interests. He has had a personal grudge against George Bush since Bush whipped him soundly in the 2000 primaries, evidently believeing that he, McCain was entitled to that nomination. To that end, since 2000, he has done whatever he could to set himself in opposition to the President and Conservative principle if it seemingly elevated his own status.

Which leads us to another of McCain's deepest flaws - his gullability. He stupidly believed that the liberal press, to paraphrase Sally Fields, "...Really, really likes him!!!". He was unable to see their supposed support and adoration since 2000 as nothing more than a wedge to use against President Bush...Either that, or he knew it, and was a willing accomplice. If the former, he's hopelessly naive; if the latter, he's hopelessly vain. Either way, he was a bad choice as our Candidate.

And now, at the end of it all, we find his pathetic campaign staff openly trashing the one bright spot of his entire campaign - Sarah Palin. And where's McCain? He was vocally opposed to criticizing his opponent throughout the campaign, yet now his own staff unfairly criticizes his own running mate, and his silence is deafening.

It's not hard to imagine that McCain, petty and jealous that he is, secretly resenting Sarah Palin's appeal to the average, all-American guys he likes to pretend he represents (from the back porch of one of his 7 homes, no less...) After all, we now know that McCain wanted Joe Lieberman as his running mate!

But Senator McCain has not yet finished wrecking the Party he pretends to belong to. Rumor has it he wants to be Obama's Defense Secretary. If so, this would explain his reticence to criticize Obama heavily during the campaign. It's not all that hard to beleive, actually...After all, McCain briefly toyed with becoming John Kerry's running mate. It would be the ultimate coup de grace' from Sentaor "Straight Talk"...A slap in the face to the poel who voted for him, as well as a dagger in the heart of the Republican Party, since Arizona's Democrat Governor would then be free to appoint a Democrat Senator, thus inching Harry Reid ever closer to his fillibuster-proof majority.

If you don't think that could happen...Then you don't know our Johny!

dave| 11.7.08 @ 10:25AM

Silver lining:

That McCain came as close as he did in spite of an economic crisis, a Republican President with abysmal approval ratings, and most importantly, himself.

Gazinya| 11.7.08 @ 10:27AM

Disgust. It is a word that is overly used when dislike is more appropiate. Disgust is what I feel about how Sarah Palin and her family have continuously been abused by this current ceptic seeping debris called 'The Republican Party'. I don't know how Todd Palin, other than being an honorable man, could have taken the abuse piled on by the MSM, liberals, socialists and ignored by Republicans, toward his familyand not comenced on a 'wolf hunt' says more about what it takes to be a man than I could have exhibited. This travesty,completely brushed aside by our venerable republican, career ass wipe, polititians is disgusting. We couldn't talk about Obamas ears and yet we could accuse the Palin family of barbarisms that would shock a Muslim. I would have approved either candidate who would have STOPPED the campain and demanded an appology from whom ever this vitriolic spew issued. Now these same 't**ds in a Jim Jones punch bowl' come out for my support saying "We need to get back basics." No you need to get out of politics and beg the Palin family for forgiveness. If Sarah and Todd Palin go back to Alaska and can live again in the Faith that has given them so much joy and exposed America to the total lack of faith that stinks up this land, I say Thank You Jesus.

Red Neck| 11.7.08 @ 10:47AM

There HAD to be Democrat (or just lefty) operatives inside the McCain campaign. There's no other way to explain how such grousing about Sarah Palin could have hit the streets without even waiting for the national vote.

But we can be sure of this: unlike Obama and his ACORN myrmidons, McCain did pay them all that was promised!

Red Neck| 11.7.08 @ 10:53AM

Obama rules? Well maybe he thinks he does. He's soon going to find out that it's like trying to ride a herd of wild donkeys. They're going to take him where THEY want to go. He doesn't even have the will or conscience of a Jimmy Carter. What else could explain his show of ratcheting to the right without as much as one apology for having been mistaken in the past?

Go 'way troll.

M. Tobias| 11.7.08 @ 11:13AM

Gee, somebody finally noticed that the McCain campaign was a joke from the start. He was the chosen candidate of the Democrats and the media from the start. And the Republicans, with their ridiculous "open" primaries and caucuses. Then, the campaign and the campaigner had an equally ridiculous notion that he was somehow attractive to Democrat moderates and did not need the Conservative base of "his" party.

To top it all off, they instituted rules of engagement that were asinine. They wanted to debate the issues. Unfortunately, Obama refused to debate the issues. He all but the last month promising nothing but some nebulous "change". The only indications of what the "change" might be came from his past and his associates. Both of which were suddenly off limits to the McCain campaign. Even with the economic crisis and the rampant vote fraud, McCain should have been able to win, especially after he energized a large number of conservatives by putting Sarah Palin on the ballot.

There are many reasons for the McCain loss to Obama. But they all stem from the same thing; nobody, outside of sarah Palin, wanted to win.

Agent Orange Peel| 11.7.08 @ 11:17AM

Charles Krauthammer at NRO points out, " we forget that in the first weeks of September, John McCain was actually ahead." The truth that McCain was actually ahead before the middle of September to my mind says your "Over Before It Began" article title leaves a lot to be desired, even though the article does point out some things that are true.

The fact that McCain, once Palin was on the ticket, took the lead away from Obama/Biden and kept it into "the first weeks of September" show that McCain/Palin really did have the potential to win. What happened in the middle of September and after is why Obama won.

JSCD| 11.7.08 @ 11:27AM

Interesting reading the anti-Palin remarks

So, an number of obviously foolish and easily led individuals believe that Sarah Palin thinks that Africa is a country because...an un-named source passed an unsourced rumor saying so

These same foolish and easily led individuals are also willing to believe that Gov. Palin does not know the countries in NAFTA - despite the fact that Sarah Palin is the extremely successful governor of a state bordering Canada and is generally credited (by supporters and critics in Alaska alike) with taking the leadership role in getting the contracting done to build the largest private civil engineering project in the US - a natural gas pipeline from Alaska through Canada to the lower 48 and who, likely, along the way, needed to learn more about the details of NAFTA than 99% of the folks in elected national office today

Honestly, anyone who accepts this sort of nonsense as fact is telling us a lot more about their own credulity than they are about Sarah Palin

Interestingly, the same sorts of mindless meat puppets that repeat this silliness absolutely believe in the wisdom of BO and Biden - despite the fact that they can easily find videos and recordings of BO talking about visiting 57 states, BO completely misstating the facts of the Cuban missile crisis, and Biden talking about President Roosevelt addressing the nation via national television after the 1929 stock market crash.

I guess it is just a lot easier for these folks to ignore the evidence of their eyes and believe in any baseless rumor that happens to coincide with their pre-existing child-like world view

Captain America| 11.7.08 @ 11:57AM

I noticed that NBC gave Nicolle Wallace a free shot spot on their morning program to cover her rear. But, she was responsible for much of this and she was the adviser that Gov. Palin felt she couldn't trust.

chip tobin| 11.7.08 @ 11:58AM

That anyone seriously believes that Palin didn't know Africa was a continent and who was in Nafta (as is being reported as fact by the likes of people like Chris Matthews) shows how venal or stupid they are.

Palin was the most popular governor in the country and drew larger crowds than MCain. For some reason McCain staffers-perhaps because they want to work for liberal Republican candidates in the future, needed to slime her.

Anyone who says they believe those stories is highly gullible or highly disingenuous.

Doctor Right| 11.7.08 @ 12:00PM

To: "Obama Rules"

Re; Hey, this is going to be FUN!!!

"Sarah Palin is the biggest joke ever to come out of the Republican Party."

Yes, yes, we've heard if all before from the "ignoranti" such as yourself...Eisenhower was dumb, Reagan was dumb (even though he won 2 landslide elections and ran circles aropund the pseudo-intelligent Democrats), Bush is dumb (even though he has Ivy League degrees AND better grades than Kerry or Gore...But let's not bring facts into it, shall we???), etc, etc...And now, of course, like clockwork, Sarah palin is "a joke". Well that's the Lib M.O. isn't it (by the way, "Obama Rules", "M.O." stands for "modus operandi"...that's a Latin term...But since they don't teach Latin anymore in NYC public schools, I wouldn't expect you to know that...) Libs always MUST destroy that which they fear...So Sarah Palin is the new target. We're not worried...She has more balls than an entire truck of B. Hussein Obamas...

"You had your chance with John McCain. "

Actually, we didn't...And we Conservatives (the REAL Americans) knew it...But we held our nose and voted for him after he picked the spectatcular Sarah Palin...or, as you should start calling her, our "Next President"...

"The only way for the GOP to ever appeal to mainstream America is to stay in the center."

The day that we Conservatives (otherwise known as REAL Americans) start taking advice from juvenille leftists who parrot the exhortations of their parents and teachers is the day we'll call ourselves Liberals...And since that day will NEVER come, you might as well not waste your breath.

" There is no such thing as a conservative America anymore."

Riiiiiiiight. That's why your guy tried to position himslef as a Centrist tax-cutter, and tacked hard-right in the days before the election. Pleeeease...Keep telling yourself this...It'll make the take-over in 2010-2012 that much easier to endure.

"Haven't you heard? By 2042, American whites are the minority."

Cool! That will mean that my children and grandchildren will qualify for AFFIRMATIVE ACTION...But then, you know all about that, don't you?? Hmmmmmm???

" Since the only people voting for GOP candidates are white people, it will be mathematically impossible for the GOP to ever "rise again." "

You're in for a harsh awakening. Since you're young, and kind of dumb, and i'm feeling charitable, let me explain:

Your guy has painted himself into a corner. He ran as a "centrist" to appeal to the critical moderate voters...But his base consists of hard-left ignoranti such as yourself...So he's in a difficult position. He can please his base and govern as a hard-leftist, thus practically guaranteeing his defeat (to Sarah Palin!) in 2012 (since the economy will have collapsed by then under his watch), or he can do "the Clinton-thing" and govern from the center...Meaning, you can forget all the nonsense about "taxing the rich" and "spreading 'round the wealth", as well as all of the far-left environmentalist gobblydee-gook, and ALSO that long-hoped for surrender in Iraq...If Obama wants to win election again in 2012, he has no choice but to SCREW HIS BASE!!!! Sorry, "Obama Rules", but that means you!

"Time to change your attitudes and embrace the diversity of America. "

Diversity for diversity's sake is a meaningless virtue. Only the left cares about people's skin color 'cuz they can't STOP bringing it up. Well here's a little tid-bit for you that you may not like to hear. I've been talkin' with lots a' "European Americans" lately (in the "Age of Obama" that's how we'll insist on being referred to), and all of us feel pretty much the same way. Basically, with Obama's election, we're "done". That means we don't want to hear anymore whining, complaining, and bitching from "minorities". Nope...We've had enough...Like I said, we're "done". So if that's one of your preferred methods, don't bother - 'cuz it ain't workin' "no mo' ".

"This is the 21st century; don't be stuck in 1985 and Reagan's America."

Obama is not fit to carry Reagan's jock-strap.

Captain America| 11.7.08 @ 12:01PM

I wasn't aware until yesterday that Gov. Palin had to arrange her own airtime interview with Glenn Beck. That she was considered going "rouge" when she wanted to reconnect with a radio station in Alaska. This as the sitting governor of the state.

Captain America| 11.7.08 @ 12:04PM

Hey, Obama Rules:

Welcome to freedom of expression! Where you can express your contrary views without getting blocked from further posts.

Try freedom of expression by posting contrary views at your home turf, DailyKos and Huffington Post. You get blocked.

Welcome to the world of Obama.

tony| 11.7.08 @ 12:05PM

Several things need to happen before 2012. The first order of business is to change our primary process so that we eliminate crossover voters who influence the GOP's selection. No crossover voters equals a conservative candidate.
While we're taking care of that, we need to rid ourselves of corrupt politicians like Ted Stevens who dispirit republicans and turn away independents. We also need to rid ourselves of politicians whose principles have been corrupted, the ones who seek compromise to get along.
We also need to recognize that, as Rush has pointed out time and again, repulicans running as conservatives always win, and republicans running as moderates always lose. Why vote for a fake liberal when you can go with the real deal.
Conservatism is alive and well in this country, but republicanism is not.
People hunger for something to believe in and McCain was never going to provide such a belief. We have some fantastic young men and women in our party, from Sarah Palin to Bobby Jindal, who will be our future leaders. We need to begin right now; the 2012 election begins today. So let's not whine and grouse, but get back to the basics. We already know the formula for victory: CONSERVATISM.

Old guy| 11.7.08 @ 12:23PM

With all the talk about centrism, we're reminded of the comment of the late Sen. Bill Jenner, an old CONSERVATIVE from Indiana who said, "The only thing you find in the middle of the road is horse#$^$."

Robert Nowall| 11.7.08 @ 12:35PM

To the person who calls himself "Obama Rules": Nobody likes a sore winner.

Katelyn| 11.7.08 @ 12:35PM

There are independent leaning Republicans like myself who cannot stand John McCain but also find Sarah Palin embarrassing on account of her massive ignorance. Since when is anti-intellectualism a conservative trait?

Doctor Right| 11.7.08 @ 12:39PM

Re: Reality, etc...

"You're talking to a European American right now."

Uh-huh...

Oh...By the way...Why does it bother you to be reminded of Obama's middle name?

His middle name is "Hussein"

His full name is "Barack HUSSEIN Obama"

It's not a slander. It's the truth. So again...Why does that bother you?

I'll tell you why it bothers me. Simple.

The mere notion that, in 2008, with a full-blown war against Islamic terrorism (that George W. Bush has masterfully executed), that the people of the United States would EVER consider nominating a man for President with Muslim (yes...Muslim) heritage, and a Muslim name strikes me as absolutely insane...Almost as if this nation is having some sort of national nervous breakldown...

...But then again, I have a brain...I'm not a leftist...So the illogic of the left eludes me...

And you amuse me. You're full of youthful (ie, empty) hyperbole, but when confornted with specific facts and or questions, like a good leftist, you always retreat into full-blown blather...

...Just like a good leftist should!

Doctor Right| 11.7.08 @ 1:06PM

To: "Hussein Obama Rules"

Re: Brain power, etc...

"Doc Right, did you give me the facts re: Bush's grades vs. Kerry or Gore? I didn't see a link."

Yup. Those are facts, and freely available on the internet. I'll send you a link just as soon as you send me a link that proves how smart B. Hussein Obama is...Yeah, I won't hold my breath...

"It doesn't bother me that you bring up his middle name."

Yes it does. Otherwise, you wouldn't have said the following in a previous post:

"Ah, see, right away, in an attempt to "destroy," you bring up Obama's middle name. Really, that's the best you can do? You can stop bringing up his middle name. I know what it is."

See, facts are funny things, BHS...they have a way of biting you in the ass if you're not careful...And you just got bit!

"What matters is the "brain between his big ears." "

Can you explain exactly WHAT makes Obama so smart? 'Cuz if it has anything to do with his Ivy-League education, I'm not impressed...Just as I'm rarely impressed by minorities with Ivy League degrees, because I know that the bar has been set VERY LOW for their admission (unless they're Asian or Jewish...then the bar is set VERY high). So since it's so much easier for them to get into Harvard, their degree is simply not a qualifier of innate intelligence or achievement. Additionally, Obama has NO record of legal schoalrly achievement, and no legislative record to speak of...So again...WHAT makes him smart??? Again...I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer...

"...And his brain is superior to the brains of W., Bush I, and Ronnie Reagan combined. "

Riiiiiiiight. Based on...What???? Hmmmmmmm????

"The problem with the GOP is that you guys are really dumbing down American politics. "

BWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH!!!!!!!!! Oh, my, that's funny!!!!!!

"I mean, Dubya, Palin, come on! Have some self-respect and nominate some people who are articulate, have some brains, who actually have a vision to lead."

Now this is instructive. Not only are Liberals dumb enough to believe that Biden and OBama are smart, but they fail to understand the difference between high-sounding rhetoric (which can be recited easily by any 2-bit performer), and actual achievement. Bush and Palin are achievers...They both have executive-level experience, successful experience at that...Meanwhile, Obama has...nuthin'. Nuthin' but hot air and lofty talk about "change"...Idiots believe that type of talk...

"Oh, and your comment about "with a full-blown war against Islamic terrorism (that George W. Bush has masterfully executed)." "

He has. Actually, I already explained this to you a few days ago...You refused to acknowledge the facts I presented, so I won't waste my time again.

But DO come back!!! I'm posting this entire back-n-forth on my own website - It should be quite a hoot for my ultra-right wing friends!

Obama Rulz| 11.7.08 @ 1:14PM

Doctor Right: You have a website now!! Can I see it too?

Doctor Right| 11.7.08 @ 1:19PM

"Doctor Right: You have a website now!! Can I see it too?"

There's few things more instructive than the non-response-response of the Lib...

Obama RULZ| 11.7.08 @ 1:23PM

You won't let me see your Web site? Is it because it's just for fascist right-wingers like yourself, not anyone else?

There are a few things more instructive than the non-response-response-response-response of a useless right-wingin' fascist.

Agent Orange Peel| 11.7.08 @ 1:41PM

Katelyn please name 5 examples in regard to Sarah Palin of what you call "her massive ignorance".

Red Neck| 11.7.08 @ 2:01PM

Veep candidates are expected to be dumb, blase creatures who are no more than yesmen to the Presidential pick. Who gave a hoot, say, about Mondale when he ran with Jimmy Carter? Or about Gore when he ran with Bill Clinton? They were taken for granted. The MSM didn't quiz them trying to trip them up. McCain, if anything, committed the "sin" of picking a very vivacious Veep who briefly upstaged Obama himself. Such audacity Must Not Go Unpunished!

Red Neck| 11.7.08 @ 2:05PM

No no, you got the grammar wrong. It should be

Obizzle Rizzle!

Red Neck| 11.7.08 @ 2:14PM

Orange Peel? It's "aides" not "aids"

Crusader| 11.7.08 @ 2:17PM

OR, you forgot a couple...
6. Thinks there are 57 states
7. Thinks FDR was prez in 1929
8. Thinks TVs were around in 1929
9. Can't talk coherently without a teleprompter
10. Is a muslim (referred to McCain not bringing up "my muslim faith")
11. Thinks paying higher taxes is patriotic
12. Will admit higher taxes means less revenue for the gubmint, but still for it because higher taxes are "fair"

Oh wait I'm sorry all those I listed are attributed to dumb & dumber, aka prez-elect and vp-elect. My bad.

I dunno who's stupider, dumb & dumber or the idiot masses who voted for them and think they don't have to pay their mortgage now?

Doctor Right| 11.7.08 @ 2:23PM

Re: Ducking my questions, more of your stupidity, etc...

"I couldn't resist, Agent Orange Peal:

1. Thinks that seeing Russia from her bathroom window constitutes foreign policy experience.
2. Duped by a couple of prank callers pretending to be Sarkozy.
3. Thinks that Africa is a country, not a continent.
4. Thinks that Fannie and Freddie Mac are taxpayer funder. (They're private).
5. Has no clue what a VP does. Thankfully, she will never find out!"

You're a colossal jewel of shining ignorance.

First of all, Alaska is one of the few states that borders (in winter, when the Bering Starit is frozen over) a foreign country, that country being Russia. You're probably not aware of this, since most Libs are ignorant of history, but Alaska and Russia have a long history together. Alaska was once Russia's own territory in North America, but in a monumentally stupid move, the Czar's Government sold Alaskato the USA in 1867 (dubbed "Seward's Folly" because, at the time. fe people - probably Libs - could see the value of the purcahse to the USA). During the Cold War, proximity to the then-named "Soviet Union" (that's what we used to call Russia before you were born) made Alaska a key state in a strategic position. The Governor of Alaska was repsonsible for working with the Feds and the Military on issues of intense National Security since Soviet spy subs, planes, and trawlers routinely violated our sovereign air-space and waterways. To this day, Russian fisherman are involved in trans-strait trade, and Alaska remians a key point of debarkation of Russian goods coming from Vladivostok and the Russian far-eastern region.

So, idiot-boy, when Governor Palin said she could "see Russia" from her front porch, she was speaking both literally AND figuratively. She meant that as Governor, she has constant interaction with a semi-hostile, semi-friendly foreign power. Only the dim-wits in the press and brain-dead Libs (aren't they one and the same?) would fail to grasp the true meaning of the statement.

Meanwhile, Obama's foreign policy experience is...Zero. Yet somehow, that doesn't bother you...Oh, wait...I forgot...He's soooo smart, right? Yeaaaahhh......

The supposed comment about Africa is completely unsourced. No one will go on record as to where and when it was said, but again...dim-wits in the press and brain-dead Libs...Know what I mean???

Finally, you're dead-wrong about FANNIE-MAE and FREDDIE-MAC:

Fannie Mae was founded as a government agency in the wake of the Great Depression in 1938, as part of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal in order to facilitate liquidity within the mortgage market. In 1968, the government converted Fannie Mae into a private shareholder-owned corporation in order to remove its activity from the annual balance sheet of the federal budget.
It is now a stockholder-owned corporation chartered by Congress in 1968 as a government sponsored enterprise (GSE). Government-sponsored enterprises are costly to the government and TAXPAYERS; the benefit is currently worth $6.5 billion annually. Contrary to some beliefs, Fannie Mae does not make home loans directly to consumers, but rather functions as an intermediary in the U.S. secondary mortgage market.

Gosh, "Hussein Obama Rules"...Every time you open your fool mouth, the pain gets worse and worse, doesn't it??

Doctor Right| 11.7.08 @ 2:25PM

Re: Parentage

"Crusader,
Yo momma like it black?"

Least we know's who our daddy is, foo'!

Anthony| 11.7.08 @ 2:26PM

Dear Obama Rules, How typical of you and your fellow travelers to glom onto a nasty, unsubstanciated, and now proven false comment, spread by McCain thugs, about Gov. Palin. Yes, you all are desperate to believe anything that fits your alternative universe views. Funny isn't it that when Biden made the comment that the most important thing about this election was 3 letters, J O B S, nobody in the MSM said a word, and of course, neither did you. P.S. As Iread some of your other dilusional rants, I notice that what you understand about Freddie & Fannie, can fit into a thimble. Yep, you are exactly the type of voter the Dems love, arrogant and ignorant.

Crusader| 11.7.08 @ 2:29PM

OR,

Thanks for answering my question. Now I know.

Red Neck| 11.7.08 @ 2:37PM

No, I hate to be a pedant again, but it's Ebizzle in all the schizzle!

Red Neck| 11.7.08 @ 2:47PM

12. Will admit higher taxes means less revenue for the gubmint, but still for it because higher taxes are "fair"

It is "fair" -- as far as the Politics of Resentment go. Keep those rich folks poor or they'll somehow vacuum up the wealth that oughtta go to the masses! Sure, like the mint just made so much and everyone's stuffing it in their mattress instead of investing it.

Obama Rules Doctor "Right"| 11.7.08 @ 2:51PM

Doc Right, I know you're in Nevada, but what's the exact address to your trailer? I think I need to come over there this weekend and kick the shit outta you. Hahaha!

Obama Rulz 4-Ever| 11.7.08 @ 2:55PM

OUR daddy, Doc Right?

So what you mean is you have MANY daddies?

Is yo momma a meth slut, Doc?

Doctor Right| 11.7.08 @ 3:04PM

To: "Obama Rules"; "Obama Rulz 4-Ever", etc...

Re: Recent unintelligible posts

I don't live in Nevada. I live in New Jersey. That's a once-great state east of the Bed-Stuy crack-house you were born in.

When you get out of juvy-hall (You're part of that wonderful 25% - that's how we keep's y'all from votin'!!), look me up.

Right now, I gotta' go. Your mommy (Shaniqua? Aquanetta??) is on her knees tryin' to earn you another X-Cap...

Less teeth, Shaniqua...Less teeth!!

Obama Rulz Jersey| 11.7.08 @ 3:07PM

Doc Right, I'm in Jersey too!! THE GREAT BLUE STATE OF THE EAST! Let's meet so I can knock your teeth out!

Doctor Right| 11.7.08 @ 3:15PM

Re: Teeth, etc...

I'd prefer that you knocked your mammy's teeth out, DuWain...It's be MUCH smoother that way...

Agent Orange Peel| 11.7.08 @ 3:20PM

Red Neck, thank you for saving me from a "massive ignorance" attack in regard to my humble little "efforts".

ruth| 11.7.08 @ 3:43PM

DO NOT TRY TO REASON WITH OBAMA RULES. AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE; HE IS OFF HIS MEDS . SICK BOY.

Obama Rulzz| 11.7.08 @ 3:53PM

ruth, how's it feel to be part of a losing team?

Susan| 11.7.08 @ 3:57PM

Question for Buzz & Obama Rules: How do you feel about Obama being a follower of Saul Alinsky?

Agent Orange Peel| 11.7.08 @ 4:01PM

Obama Rules 12:45 pm, your "name" is not Katelyn but then again you did say that you "couldn't resist" answering. How about a consideration along "massive ignorance" lines in relationship to a Republican vice presidential contender versus the last Democratic President? You set out the case for the "contender", allow me to set out the case for the "President".

Bill Clinton:

1. Thinks having one's lollipop ("hard candy on a stick") sucked by a blue dress intern in the Oval office then having the event broadcast to the American nation is not "massive ignorance" on the part of the President of the United States.

2. Duped by his own lust and a blue dress intern into causing a national American crisis

3. Thinks that America and the Presidency are things for his personal amusement.

4. Thinks that Barney Frank the political king of the Fannie and Freddie Mac mess, that hurt America big time, is an American political hero.

5. Has no clue what a President should actually be
doing for America. (Acted like a pig while president, tried to undermine Obama during the Hillary/Obama nomination fight as just another "black" politician having no real national political significance.)

One of my basic point is that no one will truly know what "massive ignorance" really equals in regard a particular person and fulling the office of President or Vice President until any potential candidates for those offices actually occupy one of those offices.

Doctor Right| 11.7.08 @ 4:44PM

Re: Temper, temper...Struck a nerve, eh??

"Come on, don't be a pussy, let's meet and settle this like real men, you momma's-titty-sucking-pussy-boy!"

OK. I'm sure I can find you without much trouble. You'll be one of "da homies" in D.O.C orange jump-suits that I occasionally see cleanin' up Rt. 287. I'll yell "HEY!! Let's throw, Antwan!", and you come runnin, 'kay?

Peace-Out (Bro-Hug)

By da way, mutha-effa...I ain't no "momma's-titty-sucking-pussy-boy". I re-zent 'dat, mutha-effa! And as yo' mamma haz earned you 'nutha' "X-Cap" with her sweet, big lips, I thought you woulda' knowed 'dat, Foo!

ruth| 11.7.08 @ 4:48PM

OR: An election win doesn't make you a winner. You are now and forever will be a LOSER.

Rusty Unger| 11.7.08 @ 4:49PM

Sarah Palin a bright spot? McCain's impulsive choice of a genuine know-nothing to be a heart beat away from the Presidency demonstrated his gross inadequacy.

ruth| 11.7.08 @ 5:00PM

Governor Palin will be back in four years and she will be a force to be reckoned with. A genuine ass-hat calling Gov. Palin a know-nothing. That's a good one.

Agent Orange Peel| 11.7.08 @ 5:06PM

Rusty Unger please give 5 examples in regard to Sarah Palin that illustrate her to be what you call a "genuine know-nothing".

cjean| 11.7.08 @ 5:37PM

Sarah Pailn gave money back to the people it belonged-her taxpaying citizens of Alaska-

obama thinks there are 57 states in the US and now will put individual 401k's into SS

cjean disciple| 11.7.08 @ 6:14PM

Obama Uses Nov . 7th Press Conference To Mock 85-Yr. Old Widow

DJ| 11.7.08 @ 6:27PM

Johnny Mac never had a snowball's chance in hell. Economically he's almost as bad as Obama. Remember him wanting to spend 300 billion to buy everyone's mortgages?

Foriegn policy wise he's worse. He wants the U.S. military to be at Isreal's disposal for whenever they pick a fight with one of their neighbors.

He prefers to think government can be a solution to problems rather than the root of them as does Obama.

And free market small government supporters where supposed to go for this??

Honestly there's not a whole lot of difference between Johnny and Barack. This should have been a watershed year for 3rd parties. But between the rediculous ballot access measures the 2 major parties have put in and the media we didn't have a chance. The media did a good job of marginalizing us as usual. Election night CNN didn't mention Ralph Nader or Bob Barr once. They kept refering to Allen Buckley in the Georgia senate race as a "independent" when he is a Libertarian. You think the republican party has a tough time with the media try being us for a day.

BD57| 11.7.08 @ 6:28PM

Some fun in the comments - - - -

love seeing "Obama Rules" piling on Sarah Palin ... if she was such a joke, the smart thing to do (and trust me, "Obama Rules" thinks he/she is "smart") would be to step back, stay quiet and watch the show.

Palin's the real deal. Give her four years to study & ponder world issues & she'll be ready to kick a** and take names.

Agent Orange Peel| 11.7.08 @ 6:44PM

I agree with you BD57. On the other hand, I do also consider the possibility that "Obama Rules" is not what he /she/they appear to be but rather is/ are a Republican, Conservative, or Republican/Conservative "sleeper cell" (or some other "sleeper cell").

Gary Thomas| 11.7.08 @ 7:05PM

Neither McCain nor any other GOP candidate could have won here.Either Hilary or Obama would have whipped anyone put forward.You see, Bush made the load too heavy for any GOP candidate. Now be patriots and support your democratically elected President. And stop being so angry about everything. It just turns people off the conservative movement.

Agent Orange Peel| 11.7.08 @ 7:30PM

Gary Thomas 6:05 pm, for your first sentence conclusion to be fact and not theory the following things have to be true concerning the 2008 Presidential election:

1. God exists

2. God made Obama President

3. God purposed not to allow anyone other than Obama to be President

ruth| 11.7.08 @ 7:37PM

Gary, Gary, Gary, if you are looking for hatred, read some of the liberal posts on this site. One thing you leftists have is hatred, even after victory.

Pam| 11.7.08 @ 7:58PM

I'm not beating John McCain up for this. Unless you've walked a mile in this man's shoes, I think I would be careful thinking you know what he is or is not doing. I believe, and until I'm proven wrong, that McCain loves this Country. I believe, and until I'm proves wrong, that Obama does not.

Agent Orange Peel| 11.7.08 @ 8:50PM

BREAKING NEWS:

Gov. Bobby Jindal on Nov. 7th takes on Rinos (Republicans in name only) for 9 min. 41 sec.

George| 11.7.08 @ 11:41PM

Given McCain's concession speech and the events since Tuesday night, it is not beyond possibility that McCain was trying to lose the election. No one can be so dumb as he ... can they? The Republican Party as it is presently constituted is dead, and the election was the final nail in the coffin. I look forward to the formation of the New Conservative Party. It will be a force to be reckoned with.

Jim| 11.8.08 @ 12:13AM

I voted Romney in the primaries. Not enough Conservatives showed up at the polls in the primaries. I do like McCain and respect all he has done. McCain was to concerned about being the "nice guy". I agree that without Palin it would have been much worse. She needs to defend herself against these people who talks it up about her, yet won't come out publicly. Cowards! Lets hope they never run another campaign. As far as what went wrong... the easiest question is what didn't go wrong? This in good part was a vote against Bush. The sad part is Bush's only problem was he didn't pick up the veto pen. They didn't point better to the recent success in Iraq. Didn't point hard enough at the Radical issues now we have already seen him choose a pretty shaky chief of staff. And the thing I believe would have helped McCain the most... He should have NEVER signed ANY bailout bill. Almost 75% of the nation was against that. It would have passed anyway. Then he could have hammered on all the corruption going on with that. He could have hammered on Wall Street, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, ACORN. Did McCain ever even bring up partial birth abortion? Obama sure did. "getting that passed is one of my top priorities" he told Planned Parenthood. "Above my pay grade" was Obama's answer to "when does life begin in the womb?" This was one of the worst organized campagn's I have ever seen. I see Romney, Jindal and Palin as the future of the GOP. Governor's always make a better President. Unless of course you are the governor who has crashes my great state of Michigan (Jennifer Granholm) into the ground. If they haven't already... Never let the Unions and Democrat's take over your state for to long. If left unchecked for to long they actually can make people dumb enough to keep voting for them. The auto industries problems? Unions and Democrats. It's that simple!

Stuart| 11.8.08 @ 12:47AM

Doug, are you still out there? Your simple statement that McCain's main advisers should be blacklisted from all Republican campaigns is spot on. That they gave up weeks before the election and then went on to trash Sarah Palin-whatever her flaws might be- to the media is disgusting. All of those who gave money to the campaign and worked so hard against the Democratic juggernaut- think of those folks, party officials and rank and file Republicans,in Ohio in the last week of the campaign- had their support undermined by McCain's staff. And, of course, John McCain, whateve your opinion of him- deserved to have a loyal staff duking out till the end. Lastly, their failure to strike at Obama's economic philosophy and support of late term abortion shows what strategic dummies they were.
I'll tell you. There are some things about Palin's beliefs I diagree with, but she is an extraordinary and decent person. John Kerry, Mr. Snob himself, could not have treated her with more contempt than McCain's staff did.

Rusty Unger| 11.8.08 @ 1:07AM

5 Reasons Palin Is A Know-Nothing:
1. She didn't know Africa was a continent
2. She didn't know the countries in NAFTA
3. She could not name a publication she has read
4. She boarded an airplane after her water broke
5. She thought that Vice-Presidents participated run the Senate.
I could name 50 more --
come on people, this person is not qualified to run for dog catcher -- unless it was possible to shoot dogs from a helicopter!

ruth| 11.8.08 @ 2:26AM

Rusty, why are you liberal weenies so afraid of Governor Palin? Your messiah was elected--why all the hate? She ain't going away, liberals, that's for damn sure.

Chesty Puller| 11.8.08 @ 2:34AM

Sorry Campaign, where it appears someone took a dive.

Chesty Puller| 11.8.08 @ 3:13AM

Some of you have broached the subject, but have not explicitly stated the facts of the matter, maybe you are afraid to either face the truth or be a truth bearer.

It is plain and simple, John McCain's campaign was a preordained sham. McCain was playing a role as a viable candidate, he was chosen to be the loyal honorable opponent of Senator Obama, as the latter was the preordained "chosen one" for the presidency.

McCain and his staffers are not stupid people, they do an excellent job of completing their mission, to insure that McCain would lose and Obama would win. Why would normally intelligent people make such obvious blunders and run a campaign that was beyond belief.

Throughout the campaign, all conservative pundits were saying "Why?", "Why is he(McCain) doing this or that?", "When will he bring up this or that?", "He hasn't done it yet, but he will, he must talk about this or that."

At every juncture of the campaign, McCain torpedoed his chances for the presidency with such obvious, incredulous blunders.

And be intellectually honest and admit that Palin was poor choice for V.P. and was purposely picked to sew up the election for Obama. McCain and his staff are not drooling idiots and surely should have seen that Palin presented a "target rich" environment for the main stream media that was clearly in Obama's camp.

Why didn't McCain take advantage of the opportunity to go on the O'Reilly Show the night of Obama's info-mercial. He could have had 30 minutes of free air time on a national television show? All of the pundits thought that his decision not to go on with O'Reilly was insane. Just like most could not understand why he was running the campaign in a crazed, disjointed fashion. But in reality many of these "conservative" pundits knew exactly why he was running an obvious losing campaign, but they were afraid to lose their syndicated show or are part of the "club".

The same club that McCain, Hillary, Obama, Kerry, Bush, Cheney, Rommney, Edwards et al.
The only candidate that was not a member was Ron Paul.

The president is preordained and it appears McCain was just playing a charade of running for president. If you do not think this was sham, then you must still think Santa Claus delivered those presents to you on Dec. 25th.

After whacking JFK, they realized they could fool most of the people, most of the time. Now with the complicity of most media sources, they know they can fool most of the people all of the time.
The main stream media and even some of the so called "conservatives" pundits, make pravda and tass look like legitimate journalism outlets.

America is fading away faster than this old soldier. Good luck suckers, keep backing those phony "Republicrats" and propaganda organs who will not tell you the genesis of our nations demise. It is like a doctor telling treating you for the symptoms of sore throat, but will not tell you the truth that you have throat cancer so you can start the real cure. He just slowly lets you die in complete ignorance of the real cause of your misery.

Tony| 11.8.08 @ 6:23AM

It was astonishing to me that I never heard the name "Alinsky" ONCE by anyone on television until late Tuesday night.

Marc Jeric| 11.8.08 @ 12:20PM

Listening to McCain and waiting with trepidation to hear once more that moronic "My friends" made me want to vomit. Our Republicans want to be "gentlemen" but are in fact all just wimps in these mortal battles with the far left - they just do not get it!

Jerry| 11.8.08 @ 12:27PM

It is astonishing the number of people who write that "God made Obama President"... To those misguided, it was people who were duped by him. Remember when the Israelites wanted a King and God allowed that? What happened when they chose poorly? God allowed them to suffer... Be prepared to suffer.

At least I have the common sense to know Wright from wrong and will pursue conservative values with an earnest I have never before felt. I will help in pushing conservative ideas and will fight any effort to suppress them.

With conservatives there is Free Will.... with liberals there is only liberal facism... the eclipse of free thought, the suppression of individuality, and the onslaught of political correctness.

Conservatives are not perfect, but we at least have a standard... Liberals have no standard, because it fluctuates so often.

David| 11.8.08 @ 12:43PM

Well said Jerry!

kwh| 11.8.08 @ 2:43PM

The gave up in October -- but these swine kept asking for money right up until November 4th.

They are the products of the modern university system: All had good degrees, good "communication skills", attrocious loyalty, and spaghetti-noodle spines.

I wonder if they concocted the McCain-Mortgage-Bailout Gambit where he set himself up to be made a fool of by Reid and Pelosi by "suspending" his campaign. What could he have POSSIBLY hoped to have gained? Conversely, if they DIDN'T concoct it, they are just as guilty for not talking McCain out of it.

And these are the boys and girls that want to remake the Republican Party. Sheesh.

drudge ette obama| 11.8.08 @ 2:53PM

TO" OBAMA RULES: DR. RIGHT ate your lunch here. If at first you don't succeed, try again and again and again......... Then give up.

TO DR. RIGHT. Are you available in 2012?

Agent Orange Peel| 11.8.08 @ 3:11PM

Drudge ette obama, give Obama Rules some slack. It takes time to dig through Daily Kos "diaries" to replenish his ammo supply.

Miles Gloriosus| 11.8.08 @ 3:41PM

No one should ever forget that without Mike Hucksterbee's help, McCain w0uld have never won the nomination. Had the "Christian" preacher/governor decided to stow his socially acceptable anti-Mormon bigotry instead of selling out the conservative movement for forty pieces of silver, the GOP might have had a candidate who understood the economy (Romney) and was what the country really wanted and needs right now.

somnolence| 11.8.08 @ 3:58PM

A note to "Obama Rules": The Constitution provides for the people to ultimately overthrow the oppressor if need be by 2042. If the GOP does not go with Palin or some new blood in 2012 it will go down to a worse defeat than this year. That will foretell the inevitable splitting of the party into third or fourth parties-namely, conservatism versus pragmatism. In the meantime, millions are keeping their powder dry, and you can trust me on that point.

DJ| 11.8.08 @ 6:04PM

Jerry said :

"With conservatives there is Free Will.... with liberals there is only liberal facism... the eclipse of free thought, the suppression of individuality, and the onslaught of political correctness. "

Depends on what sort of conservative you're talking about. If your talking about social cons they will permit you free will as long as it is within the confines of biblical texts.

ruth| 11.8.08 @ 7:31PM

DJ: If you are talking about social libs they will permit you free as long as it is within the confines of Karl Marx' Communist Manifesto.

Steve A| 11.8.08 @ 9:46PM

Quote:
Sarah Palin thinks Africa is a continent? Wow. Just wow. And these are the people you want running the country? God help us.

Thank God for the Democrats! Thank God for Obama! End quote.

It is a continent. Here we go again with another Liberal specimen who thinks he/she has cornered the market on intelligence and deep understanding. Most of the Liberals I know are ill-informed, frequently nasty, and irritating to put it mildly. You may thank God for Obama, as you wish. I choose not to, simply because of Liberals like you who seem to believe their own watered-down Marxist rhetoric. Not enough has been illuminated about Sarah Palin, my friend. But even less has been about our next president. Get real, and either play fairly or disappear into your Prius. Liberals, with the aid of a willing and biased media, dragging the rest of the Democrat party, have inserted into the WHitehouse the ulitmate used car salesman. It's absolutely amazing to me that this man could pass all of the hurdles to become president with virtually nothing known about him, other than he's "cool." Your Liberal social engineers will stop at nothing to manipulate Federal and State agendas to force your mandates upon the rest of us. It's obscene. My advice to you is to watch out because you have merely infuriated Conservatives. Let's get a Black man into office to right all of the wrongs of the past 200 years. Would you have been as excited to get a Conservative black in? How about Bill Cosby or Rice? More proof that Liberals truly believe their laboratory-created philosophy is the Gospel truth. Shame on you all.

Jerry| 11.8.08 @ 9:57PM

DJ:
What part of the Fairness Doctrine do you think will supress free speech?

What part of the scientific community will allow anything other than evolution as the atandard? IE, Why isn't ID allowed anything other than ridicule?

Conservatives believe in free speech, even when they don't agree with the content. Saul Alinsky's drivel, pornography, video game violence, movie violence, or any number of other media content proves this. Conservatives may not like the content, and may discourage its' distribution but we believe in the constitution and will allow any media's free market placement. We may take or issues up with the vendors of such material, or even "boycott" a vendor - but we very, very rarely try to push our agenda through the voice of the iron-fist of big government.

As "long as it is within the confines of biblical texts" is an absolutely absurd statement... How many religions are practiced in America? What percentage of media content in America is within the confines of biblical tests? This liberal facist view you demonstrate with people of faith is not unusual. If conservatives were as ruthless as you suggest, then I suggest you open your eyes a little wider.

Jesse P| 11.8.08 @ 10:54PM

Some bright light called "Obama Rules" upsgtream thought long and hard and came up with this gem at 11.7.08 @ 9:47AM
"Sarah Palin is the biggest joke ever to come out of the Republican Party. "

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You've got that back-asswards. They are the joke. Not her. Sarah Palin exposed the moderates for what they are. Her presence on the ticket made it somewhat close.

As for my take on Obama, aka Dear Leader:

Obama will soon be a disappointment to the millions of non-workers who drank the Kool-Aid. He cannot be all things to all people like he was during the campaign.
For the millions of whites who voted for Dear Leader solely in the hopes of assuaging white guilt it's "mission accomplished". (Let me know how things are in four years).

I hope that the millions who did NOT vote for the Messiah will not have to suffer too much as Dear Leader forces his Left views on the Nation.

Charles| 11.9.08 @ 1:29AM

Those who think that Palin's reported ignorance about Africa and NAFTA countries is a fraud ignore the fact that when she hit back at the McCain staff leakers, she had the ideal opportunity to deny those two items and passed on it with some generalizations about briefing session comments "taken out of context." Yeah. Meaning the stuff is probably true. Those who want to run this way-below-normally-informed person again are giving the Democrats a gift, and as a Dem, I'll gladly take it. As a prior poster said, Republican conservatives increasingly depend for votes upon a poor, shrinking, uneducated rural white male minority; cannot tolerate any moderates in their party, thus losing the center and the swing voters; and will soon become extinct. And none too soon. The old paradigm of an independent frontiersman who stands alone against the outer world is outmoded; most people live in cities and suburbs and want to cooperate on the big issues and needs while they compete against each other economically in the marketplace. Humans are social animals, not Randian caricatures. Even wolves live in packs and cooperate. This is not Marxism, it's life in an interdependent globalized reality.

Charles| 11.9.08 @ 3:14AM

No, Ruth, I don't have your best interests at heart, only the nation's. I want to see your party disappear, like the Federalists, Whigs and Know-Nothings. And I don't think I have long to wait.

Beverly| 11.9.08 @ 5:31AM

Charles, I, for one, am prepared to welcome our new insect overlords.

[And "To Serve Man" is a cookbook.]

DJ| 11.9.08 @ 8:13AM

Jerry :

The "fairness" doctrine reminds me of the "patriot" act. A bill with a bait and switch name that makes you think it's a good thing while it steals your liberties. It is absolutly a violation of the first amendment.

What do you call all of the so called "decency" laws that are on the books??? God forbid someone say SHIT on the radio. Can you explain why the FCC exists? The FCC certainly wasn't built on Libertarian ideals.

The fact that porn, and video game violence exist is a miracle after all that various self described christian groups have done to try to shut them down.

Not on the national level perhaps but it happens all the time on the local level here in the south. Try finding a place that serves alcohol past 1 am in Georgia (Excluding city of Atlanta).

Social cons are very ruthless, the christian coalition types. You may be a rare exception but for the most part they want to jam a bible centric agenda down people's throats. Like I said, I live in the south I have experience with this. You may have a "live and let live" outlook but most of them do not.

I am a Libertarian, and a Christian. But I will call out my own people when I see them interfering in the liberties of others.

DanGeorgia| 11.9.08 @ 9:00AM

Gotta love people who believe McCain won the nomination because of Huckabee. The theory is that the people who voted for Huckabee are Evangelical bigots who didn't vote for Romeny because he was a Morman.

What a joke. As a person who voted for Huckabee, it amazes me how people in the Republican party and the media fail to understand Huckabee's broad appeal. His broad appeal was because of the FairTax. There are millions of voters in this country who want serious tax reform.

Both Romney and Thompson flirted with the idea of running on the FairTax issue, but chickened out.

In 2012 I will again vote for a candidate who runs on the FairTax. The FairTax is the ultimate conservative issue because it transfers power out of Washington DC and gives it back to the people.

Beeblebrox| 11.9.08 @ 9:29AM

A know-nothing above said:
"5 Reasons Palin Is A Know-Nothing:
1. She didn't know Africa was a continent"

I think you mean "country". And this has been debunked by no less than the person who briefed her on foreign policy, NSC aid, Steve Biegun.

"2. She didn't know the countries in NAFTA"

Also debunked by Biegun.

"3. She could not name a publication she has read."

This is just lame. I don't know the context for this claim but who on the planet can name every publication they have read?

"4. She boarded an airplane after her water broke"

Nice Koz talking point. 1. Her water did not "break". 2. She had amniotic fluid leakage, a different thing. She consulted her physician who gave her permission to fly. 3. She had already had 3 children so she knew what she was doing (how many children have you birthed Rusty?).

"5. She thought that Vice-Presidents participated run the Senate."

And you don't think this Rusty? This is the problem with our government school system. People like Rusty display their ignorance for the entire world and don't even have a clue how stupid they are. For the record Rusty, the ONLY responsibility the VP has is in the Senate. He/she presides over it and can cast tie breaking votes. THAT'S IT! In fact, the VP could be kicked out of EVERY White House meeting and the VP couldn't do anything about it. The VP has zero executive branch authority. Meanwhile, Dick Cheney could take the gavel EVERY DAY in the Senate and Harry Reid could do squat to stop him.

"I could name 50 more --"

50 more untruths? I'm sure you could. ;-)

Kevin Dunn| 11.9.08 @ 10:13AM

Obama Rules writes:

"Sarah Palin thinks Africa is a continent? "

Actually, Africa IS a continent.

In Australia we have a word or people like you, but I won't post it here.

Jerry| 11.9.08 @ 12:07PM

DJ:

The Fairness Doctrine is supported by Democrats... Look it up... Pelosi, Reid, and a number of Democrats will be pushing for it under this next regime.

If you are a Christian, I hope God opens your eyes a little wider.

Again, Conservatives vote with their pocketbook and try to limit government involvement... Liberal facists look to government for everything in their humanistic goals of eliminating any reference to a deity.

Google "Fairness Doctrine" and see for yourself who supports it.

BMorgan| 11.9.08 @ 12:37PM

Autopsy Report: 11-07-2008
Victim’s Name: John McCain Campaign

Cause of Death: Multiple Self-inflicted Traumas

1. Not a real Conservative (Moderate) Republican. Took too much time “reaching across the aisle: McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, and McCain-Lieberman.

2. Reliance on his the Main Stream Media, felt that his popularity with the press, in 2000, would carry forward to his run for the Presidency.

3. Timidly confronted President-elect Obama on his radical associations. Refused to bring up Reverend Wright and rebuked the RNC for their political advertisement on his [Obama’s] 20 year relationship.

4. Cowered at the possibility of be labeled a racist. He forgot that because he is a Republican, he was going to be painted as such anyway.

5. Knee Jerk Reaction to the financial crisis. Suspended campaign, ran back to Washington, “supposedly brokered a deal” and then went back for the debate.

6. When asked, during the debate about the cause of the financial crisis, he blamed Wall Street and greedy CEOs. Completely ignored the root cause of this; the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977, the complicity of the Democrats, through Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac, to encourage home owner ship of minorities, zero down, no income verification, to his [Obama’s] receiving the second highest amount of campaign contributions $126,349, and how the Democrats Franklin Raines- former Clinton Budget Director and current Housing Policy advisor to Obama, CEO from 1999 to 2004; James Johnson- former aide to Democratic Vice-President Walter Mondale and ex-head of Obama's Vice-Presidential Selection Committee, CEO from 1991 to 1998; and Jamie Gorelick- former Clinton Deputy Attorney General, Vice-Chair from 1998 to 2003. In their positions, Johnson earned an estimated $21 million; Raines earned an estimated $90 million; while Gorelick earned an estimated $26 million. All three top executives were also involved in mortgage-related financial scandals.

6. Ran as a Centrist left-leaning Republican against a Left centrist-talking Democrat. Senator McCain provided no real clear distinction, to the voting public, between himself and Senator Obama. He often stated that he and Senator Obama agreed on many things.

7. Failure to make needed changes. When Senator Obama reneged on his pledge to take public financing, Senator McCain should have done the same. By not doing so, McCain severely limited his campaign.

8. The closing of his campaign in Michigan, the poster for failed Democratic rule, see Item 7 above.

9. His failure to fix Senator Obama on key issues, The Second Amendment – his position versus his past voting record, Abortion – position versus past voting record, Taxes – have him clarify how he would provide tax cuts to 95 % of the citizens when only 40% pay taxes.

10. Senator McCain lost his claim as a fiscal conservative when he voted for the $700 Billion Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, which included $150 Billion in pork projects. His vote on this bill was not necessary, for passage, and he could have easily voted against it.

Chesty Puller| 11.9.08 @ 1:58PM

Charles:

You say," this is not Marxism, but the reality of living in an interdependent global reality". Charles, how much world travel have you experienced? Do you really know the standard of living of the average person living in the various countries of the world? Do you know that these countries are in reality not as portrayed in travel brochures or on travelogue television shows.

Personally, as a United States Air Force Officer and Aviator, I have extensive travel experience throughout most of Europe, South Pacific and as far East as the Philippines. Additionally, I have traveled through most of the United States and have been stationed in numerous locations.

Some time back, I came to the realization, that if the global elite want a New World Order, another name for your "interdependent global reality", they(the global elite) will not bring the rest of the world up to the standard of living in the U.S., but will tear the U.S. down to the standard of living of the rest of the world. By standard of living, the "poor" in the U.S., live better than "middle class" of Europe. And I am not even talking about impoverished areas like Africa, Asia, Middle East and Eastern European countries.

Both the Democrats and Republicans are complicit in selling out the United States to the global elite for their religion of complete control and power and their "baby", the concept of a one-world-government.

The ignorance of the American people is galling. If a politician is a member of one of the clubs(CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergers, etc.) it is a sure bet he is nothing but an agent for the global elite. When you see politicians from both sides of the aisle take actions that are obviously against America's best interest and you ask yourself, "Why?", just check and see if they are a member of the "club", then it will all make sense.

The main goal of the elite is one world socialism, the Democrats have become national socialist, they can easily be swayed towards global socialism or how you put it, "an interdependent global reality", boy that is a slick way to "sugar coat" global socialism.

Why don't you start reading books by Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn, a Soviet dissident. You will really learn what life was like in a Marxist country.

You want a the Republican party to disappear. In essence, you want a one party system, just like the Soviet Union, where the one party was the Marxist Communist Party. Where there was no freedom of speech, where dissenting opinions were quashed and silenced with torture, imprisonment. It is no coincidence that the leftist in the Democratic Party want to bring back the fairness doctrine to silence conservative thought. Of course, they will only use the Fairness Doctrine to prosecute conservative talk radio, but will do nothing to level the playing field in the wholly left leaning and biased television network news media.

Take California for a model for the rest of the United States. California is in an economic disaster due to the fact that the state has been controlled by Democrats for decades. The legislature has created such a climate where businesses are leaving in droves. Gov. Schwarzenegger is no Republican, he is the quintessential Republican-in-name-only(RINO).
What do you want from an actor that married into the Kennedy family.

The environmental movement of the Democratic Party has caused the greatest loss of jobs in this country and this was by design. China and India and other "developing" nations are exempt from the Kyoto Treaty/Protocol. These countries have no pollution standards and as such much of our industries and manufacturing base has gone overseas to China, India, Malaysia, Mexico, Indonesia, etc. These countries are developing at the expense of the United States workers.

The United States sense of Liberty is the only thing standing in the way of one world socialism.
The plan has been to destroy the sovereignty and the Constitution of the United States; this is the last lynch pin that must be removed to bring about the one world government.

Chesty Puller| 11.9.08 @ 2:29PM

BMORGAN:

You point out several key facts. Everything you said is true. But do you know why McCain acted in such a manner? The answer is, he is a role player for his masters. He never intended to win the election, he was chosen to insure a win for the more socialistic democratic candidate. He is not a stupid man, he is actually a cunning man. No way could he have innocently ran such a disaster of a campaign.

Do you know he is a member of the CFR. That should explain everything. Look at the McCain/Feingold act that he co-sponsored, the act was a complete attack on Republican Political Speech. The act does not affect the Democrats, because they are wholly supported by the main stream media, and in essence really do not need campaign contributions to buy costly air time. McCain did this act to torpedo the future effectiveness of the Republican Party.

Rumor has it that McCain may be offered the Secretary of Defense position in the Obama Administration, smacks of quid pro quo.

McCain purposely torpedoed his own campaign, this was not by accident. He is not as stupid as most of the American public. I have not trusted the RNC for a long time. They have been compromised for quite a while. Look how they wouldn't back Congressman Baugnman(MN) and others.

Additionally, Bush did his job for his masters, he effectively destroyed the Republican Party. Where in essence, we only have a one party system, just what the global elite wanted. Look at his Family, Skull and Bones, CFR, Trialateral members. His grandfather Prescott Bush sympathetic to the NAZIs wanted a coup in this country, his father G. Herbert Walker Bush couldn't wait to coin the term "New World Order", and "W" Bush was moving fast and furious to bring about the "North American Union". Mark my words, Obama who feigned ignorance, who is a member of the CFR, along with his wife, will finish "W"s work to bring about the North American Union.

And when ever the new president takes controversial action that will ultimately be an infringement on our liberty, he will be defended by the main stream media, saying that such action was necessary as he inherited a "hornets' nest" of problems from the Bush administration.

Additionally, did you notice how after Bush won his second term in office, his on screen persona changed, he started to, all of a sudden, look like
bumbling idiot.

Agent Orange Peel| 11.9.08 @ 3:03PM

BMorgan 11:37 AM and Chester Puller 12:58 PM, please give in no more than three sentences your primary point in those posts.

DJ| 11.9.08 @ 3:09PM

Maybe you didn't read my entire post but I am a LIBERTARIAN, not a LIBERAL there is a BIG difference, google it. Anyone who supports the first amendment cannot support a "fairness" doctrine.

Again, like FCC censorship???? That's social con government maniuplation at it's finest. And I won't defend liberal actions since they're just as corrupt as the repubs.

My eyes are open to the cause of liberty, by those who would destroy it from the left and the right. Wether or not god opened those eyes is up for debate.

Beau Toxx| 11.9.08 @ 3:48PM

One thing Bill CLinton is and that's an astute politician. He said Obama was unelectable for President. What Clinton didn't know was just how thoroughly inept the McCain campaign would be. Two major events that will change this nation for ever. The financial meltdown, and the incompetent management of John McCain enabling a totally unqualified Marxist to be elected.

Agent Orange Peel| 11.9.08 @ 4:46PM

Survey: Which is more true?

1. "John McCain enabling a totally unqualified Marxist to be elected"?

2. George Bush Jr. enabling a totally unqualified Marxist to be elected?

raemon| 11.9.08 @ 8:55PM

I wonder if any were in 0bama's payroll.

Kevin Riley O'Keeffe| 11.9.08 @ 8:57PM

As a Republican who voted for Ron Paul on Super Tuesday (and for a third party candidate in November), I wonder if anyone thinks a GOP ticket headed up by Rep. Paul would have really lost states like North Carolina, Indiana, Colorado, and Nevada. Because I don't.

ruth| 11.9.08 @ 11:52PM

Charles, you sound like the typical liberal commie: profess tolerance practice tyranny. You only have your own interests at heart, you don't give a damn about your country. Don't hold your breath, dude, we aren't going anywhere; all the many millions of us who voted for McCain/Palin.

Tom Paine| 11.10.08 @ 3:12AM

You all keep giving different reasons why McCain lost.

Palin sank the ticket. Palin wasn't allowed to save the ticket.

The media did it.

McCain's staff did it.

The economy. ACORN. George W Bush. This, that. The hispanics. The blacks.

Look, folks.

Given the circumstances, McCain did well.

Obama won. Obama is smart, tough, organized, and disciplined. The man has his ducks in a row.

Obama was the better candidate. That usually means he will make the better president. That is, after all, why we have candidates at all -- to figure that out.

Just my two sense. You can go back to blaming the NY Times, and Michael More, and Whoopie Goldberg, and lack of prayer in schools, and UFOs, and whatever else you want to blame this on now.

Kevin Riley O'Keeffe| 11.10.08 @ 5:17AM

"Obama was the better candidate. That usually means he will make the better president. That is, after all, why we have candidates at all -- to figure that out. "

What a peculiar thing to say. First off, how do we know that the winners "usually" make better Presidents? Do you have access to some alternate universe where James G. Blaine, William Jennings Bryan, Thomas E. Dewey, Adlai Stevenson , and Michael Dukakis all became President? Frankly, the idea that being able to win a Presidential election indicates one is better suited to the Presidency is about the most counterintuitive notion which I have ever come across. The grueling and insubstantial nature of the modern Presidential campaign (where you manage to go almost two years without ever really engaging in any substantive discussion of the political issues, which are presumably of interest to people who wish to be President), almost certainly weeds out many of the men who would otherwise make our best Presidents. And we don't hold elections to determine who our President will be because its somehow been established that such a system yields the best results. We do it because its the only method of selecting our President that leaves the losing side feeling like the contest was more-or-less fair and legitimate, and thus not disposed to contest the result via insurrection or whatnot. The idea that elections have somehow been firmly demonstrated to be generally won by the candidate who will do a better job, post-electorally, is just about the most child-like bit of circular reasoning ever put forth. If you want America to have an endless stream of excellent Presidents, then perhaps you should ask it of Santa Claus, in whom you doubtless also believe.

tony| 11.10.08 @ 9:12AM

Re: Rusty

I seem to recall that Joe Biden talked about the VP's role as described in "Article I" of the Constitution. Really? Article I?

Chesty Puller| 11.10.08 @ 10:41AM

At the turn of the 20th century, the Russians thought that life was bad under the Czar. The wanted "change", well they got change all right.
The terror that followed the fall of the Czar went on for decades. Mass imprisonment, torture, executions, no freedom of expression, etc. went on for decades. Tens of millions of Russians were killed outright by the state and millions of others starved to death. Stalin, et al, killed more of his people than Hitler was responsible for killing in all of WWII(that is all people who died at the hands of the Axis forces, Poles, Jews, Gypsies, Allied combat troops).

Lenin, Trotsky and the Bolsheviks used class struggle and "change" as emotional triggers to bring about the revolution. They no sooner took power and became one of the most tyrannical forms of government in history. They no sooner took power and took measures to put an iron fist over the people of Russia. Many of the first people that were silenced and executed were the main people that were instrumental in the Bolsheviks gaining power.

The Russian people got change alright. It was the last time they would get the opportunity to change their government for SEVENTY years.

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