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5. I am still puzzled as to why Luther would retain the Filioque, when he should have known that it was a later interpolation — unless he bought into the polemical position of the Latin Church that the Greeks had actually removed it from the original text (I kid you not!). However, Mr. Dooley underestimates the importance to those of us who are Eastern Christians of restoring the original form of the Creed to the liturgical rites of all Churches. That, as a Byzantine Catholic I am both in communion and recite the Creed without the Filioque represents an anomaly, one which all Eastern Catholics recognize and wish t eliminate. As this is a constant irritant to the Orthodox as well, and as the Catholic Church in fact teaches that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, bringing liturgical practice into line with catechesis is the right thing to do. Lex orandi, lex credendi.
6. I have heard a lot of Western theologians harp on the deficient pneumatology of the Western Churches, but I have never heard anyone suggest that the Eastern Churches, with their essentially trinitarian outlook and explicit invocation of the Holy Spirit, somehow have an “underdeveloped” understanding of the Holy Spirit. If Mr. Dooley has some references in this regard, I would appreciate it.
Regarding his conclusion, I will only say that an increasing
number of Orthodox churchmen and theologians recognize the
historical reality and the ecclesiological necessity of some form
of universal primacy, which historically has resided with the
Church of Rome as the “Church that presides in love” (Ignatios of
Antioch). The dispute is not about the existence of primacy,
but of how that primacy is to be defined and exercised — whether
it is one of jurisdictional power, or of authority within a
concilium. In his Encyclical Ut unum sint, Pope John
Paul II called upon the other Churches and ecclesial communities
to work with him to find a definition and modality of primacy
that was both acceptable to all and relevant to the Church in the
third Christian millennium. It is sad that so many, on all sides,
have chosen the comforting cocoon of old polemics, rather than
embracing the challenge that was laid before them.
— Stuart Koehl
CHANGE ARRIVES
I notice that your staff are all middle aged white men. Just like
the delegates to the Republican convention.
— Rick Taves
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Appleby| 11.5.08 @ 7:00AM
They never did want equality. They wanted revenge. If you ever wondered what it would have been like to be a Jew in Nazi Germany, you are about to find out. I will remain in Canada for the duration but it will be solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and -- with any luck -- short.
Rocco| 11.5.08 @ 7:16AM
In response to Mr. Zukerman's letter, yeah and amen. I left the Republican party over 8 years ago when I saw they lacked conviction and became little better than what they replaced in Congress. There is a long rebuilding ahead. In response to Mr. Govett's letter, as much as I would like to see that happen, Republicans have proven themselves to me to be "beta" males, poodles, who roll over when the Democrats say "boo!" and wet their pants. So, I think hell will freeze over before Republicans take such action.
frost| 11.5.08 @ 8:35AM
If we keep going like we're going now, wow, we just may yet catch up with Uganda, Upper Volta or maybe Zaire....
Terminal stupidity and selfishness is a terrible thing -- we've simply been outvoted.
Guess we'll probably buy a little property in Quepos (Costa Rica) or maybe a little apartment in Urca, Rio de Janeiro, even though Brazilian Portuguese is an awfully tough language to learn.
I quit.....
frost| 11.5.08 @ 8:42AM
Ahhhhh, Mr. Taves --(the last "letter") -- and, your point is.....?
Maril | 11.5.08 @ 10:29AM
Frost--re: Mr. Taves--his point is--he's racist!
frost| 11.5.08 @ 10:43AM
- - and a kinda clumsy one at that...
Rocco| 11.5.08 @ 10:55AM
frost
- a lingua portuguesa nao e` tao dificil. Total immersion works wonders. I myself am looking at real estate in Florianopolis, in the southern state of Santa Caterina - very reasonably priced, more house for the dollar than in Rio. I used to live in Sao Paulo, more like NYC (South).
ann frattaroli| 11.5.08 @ 11:00AM
I could not agree more with Rocco. The republicans have become wimps, allowing the dems to label them with all kinds of distortions. They don't fight back, they lie down and allow the dems to make them look like a b unch of idiots.
frost| 11.5.08 @ 11:59AM
Thanks Rocco; have been thru SaoPaulo, spent xix weeks in Rio -- love it and the people, bet on Internacional (inside joke for SC and Rio Sul soccer fans) but not on Vasco de Gama. You're right, of course, about immersion; somehow I got along great. Brasil is so much like our USA was 40-50 years ago (despite Lula's "socialist" regime), free and prosperous (for the most part, anyway) and fun. Where Birdland has a $44 cover, you can dig some Super musicians on a Saturday afternoon free at Allegro Bistro, then cruise Ipaneme and Leblon..... great place! Thanks again, Rocco -- ENJOY !!
Rocco| 11.5.08 @ 12:14PM
frost
- You are quite welcome. I had been following Brazilian politics since I had moved there in the twilight of the military government of Gen. Figueiredo and the disappointment following the unfortunate passing of Pres.-elect Tancredo Neves. Paulo Maluf on the right and Lula on the left were the eternal presidential candidates. I had a lot of trepidation over Lula's election, but have been mildly surprised by the pragmatism and sense of responsibility of this former communist. He has not only maintained the economic policies of Fernando Henrique but has strengthened them, and succeeded in gaining the coveted investment grade rating for Brazil. Brazil is stable economically - a far cry from the 90% per MONTH inflation I lived through in 1989. Life there is indeed good, particularly if you have a source of income in hard currency! But, do check out Florianopolis. Little to no crime in that part of Brazil, beautiful beaches and a relaxed life style, more so than in Rio, as much as I love the "cidade maravilhosa."
Boa sorte, amigo!
frost| 11.5.08 @ 1:15PM
Obrigado, Rocco! PS/you should see/hear my CD collection, from Oscar Castro-Neves and Tom Jobim to Quarteto em Cy and Os Cariocas....
When I hit the Lotto this evening, perhaps I'll schedule a trip further South. As it is, we'll be in CostaRica next month. Felicidade Sim!
ruth| 11.5.08 @ 5:35PM
Rick Taves: just another example of liberal tolerance for everything but merit.
Ken| 11.6.08 @ 7:49PM
All you guys, grinding your tiny little axes...
20% of Americans are licking their chops to take what we have earned. Another 35% were dumb enough to think they could get part of the pie and voted to take the rest of what we have earned. Well, they will take it, then be broke, and wondering the day they die how it all came about.
Get serious, people. The communists have taken over. Whatcha' gonna do about it. The time for talkin' bs is done.
Ken