10.31.08 @ 6:01AM
McCain vs. McCain vs. Obama. For and against the Filioque clause. Plus more.
DOWN THE HATCH
Re: R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.'s
Who Will Protect America?:
Congratulations, Mr. Tyrrell, Stalwart Always!
I would only add that as stories of teenaged Obama sharing
whiskey from a jar with marxist Franklin Marshall Davis and his
own grandfather, Stanley Dunham, in Hawaii have emerged, Evan
Thomas told a marvelous story at the end of his epic WWII work
Sea of Thunder. It is 1953 and an aging Admiral
Halsey was attending a memorial to the Stonewall Jackson of his
carrier fleet, Adm. John S. McCain, who died a week after the
surrender. The teary-eyed old warhorse walks up to young John
McCain and demands he join in him a "salute" to his magnificent
grandfather. Young John at first demurs, but Bull Halsey insists
and he drinks his first spirits with the most legendary Admiral
in U.S. history. Could the comparison of these two candidates for
our Presidency be more stark?
-- Timothy P. O'Neill
Pompano Beach, Florida
McCain is a trained military man, right? Trained to take aim, hit
the target etc.? You like this part of him. You praise this part
of his life, offer it up as a demonstration of fine leadership
skills.
Yet, when it comes to using Obama's relationships as evidence of
his views, McCain leaves Wright out of the picture, along with
some other characters.
Where is the kill shot here? Honor? McCain says he thrives on
being the underdog. PTSD vets learn about the "rush," the
"thrill" in reliving those moments that combat created.
I don't like Obama. I do like Palin, respect McCain, but don't
think he walks as straight as you think. Biden just likes being
one of the powerful guys in a select club.
Anyone who has worked the flight deck knows that when trouble
hits you move faster than ever to control it, if possible. McCain
should have put down Obama up front and directly. He didn't and
we are paying for this error.
-- R. Philips
New Mexico
Although it may be difficult for you, if you would listen to the
very factual and careful interview segment dealing with
Afghanistan on the Rachel Maddow Show on MSNBC that she had with
Senator Obama, and compare it with anything Senator McCain has
said about that conflict, you would understand that Obama fully
understands the nuances of the very bad situation and has a clear
vision of what needs to be done to fix it. In calm, clear
language he lays out how bad it is and what he would do about it.
I hasten to add that this isn't posturing for the interview or
for votes; it isn't slogans or politicking; it would win the
respect, and probably does win the respect, of the military. I
urge you to listen to that segment and then re-think your piece
here. No histrionics, no easy solutions, no vote-getting here,
nothing but the laying out what we must do if we aren't to be
engulfed.
-- Lawrence M. Light
Mission Viejo, California
WHERE'S THE FIGHT?
Re: Quin Hillyer's
McCain's Best Argument:
Yeah OK, we know, Quin, we know. I'd like to believe Johnny Mac
is learning some valuable lessons on this right about now, and
hopefully, not too late. Frankly, I'm kinda missing Rudy, Mr.
Political Pugilist. At least we wouldn't have to be putting up
with that "my friend" chamber etiquette crap which McCain wears
like a sophomore pledge. C'mon John, you're a senior, now, time
to realize you're not running for Senator. Patriotic and
exceptional he may be, but poor fellow, he is 72, and he sounds
out of wind. When I listen to him speak, I think of how the words
would sound if Reagan were delivering them. They wouldn't sound
like he was giving a speech to a bunch of lame Senate colleagues,
that's for sure. Yet, maybe we can push McCain over the finish
line, anyway. Then what? More bipartisanship? A veto-proof
Congress? Anyway this goes down, it looks like "we the people"
will lose unless McCain truly gets the message loud and clear
that "we're mad as Hell, and we're not going to take it anymore!"
When I see him carrying a pitchfork with him on the occasion of
his first State of the Union, then I'll know he's for real.
Maybe.
-- Mike Showalter
Austin, Texas
Thank you.
You may not like him but you understand what he believes in
as do I. We have to get back to basics and clean Washington
up not try something new that is proven around the world in
every generation not to work
-- P.D.A. Brooksville
Mr. Hillyer is dead on. Senator McCain is the best man in the
race. And that is truly a scary thought.
-- Ira M. Kessel
Rochester, New York
TONY HILLERMAN, RIP
Re: Larry Thornberry's Read His
Books:
Though not a fan of mystery -- I consider Conan Doyle to be
literature -- with hesitation I read Falling Man, since
it featured mysterious Shiprock. When I looked up from the page,
I discovered that I had read all 18 of his Leaphorn and Chee
novels.
The timeless Desert Southwest, the ancient Navajo culture, gratuitous murder…What’s not to like.
So, here I sit, awaiting the next Leaphorn and Chee novel I know
will never be published. At least I can pretend.
-- David Govett
Davis, California
Damn! We just lost a great on – RIP Tony.
-- M.J. Casey
North Miami Beach, Florida
UP FROM OPACITY
Re: Mike Dooley's letter (under "East vs. West, Dooley vs.
Koehl") in Reader Mail's Barry
for Barry:
Mike Dooley wrote:
"Personally, I am not convinced this guiding concept of 'substantial equivalence' actually works here on the ground; but it is clear Pope Benedict believes it does. The Pope has confessed the Nicene Creed minus the "filioque” along side the Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew I in a special Mass at the Vatican; but I wouldn't count on the Western Church actually dropping the "filioque” anytime soon."
I understand Mr. Dooley's frustration trying to penetrate the opacity of numerous Vatican ecumenical declarations, but in regard to this one particular issue, there is nothing opaque at all. Both Pope Benedict, like his predecessor places the highest importance on reconciliation with the ancient Churches of the East. Aside from the matter of Papal perquisites, the Filioque is the only substantive issue involved, because it affects Eastern Christians in the area they consider the most important--the liturgical life of the Church. For the Orthodox, as for Eastern Catholics generally, the insertion of the Filioque distorts the balanced theological understanding in the Creed and creates opportunities for misunderstanding and error, even if (as Maximos Confessor noted) the meaning of the phrase is consistent with that used by the Greeks. The presence of the Filioque in the Creed as used by the Latin Church is a persistent irritant and reminder of this, both to the Orthodox and to many Eastern Catholics (who, by the way, don't use the Filioque), so the issuance of the Clarification was intended both as an explanation and a remedy. As I quoted from that document, the uninterpolated Greek text is considered "the only ecumenically-binding symbol of faith." And not only did Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI omit it when celebrating Mass in the presence of Eastern Christian audiences (both Catholic and Orthodox), both of them omit it in any Pontifical documents intended for Eastern Christian audiences: in one instance, a document was submitted to the Vatican printer, and the editor put the Filioque back in, assuming it had been omitted; John Paul II sent it back with the offending clause redlined. This is not a matter of substantial equivalence, but of a return to the doctrinal sources of the Church.
As someone who has been involved in the Orthodox-Catholic
dialogue since 1996, through the organization of the Orientale
Lumen Conferences (held annually in Washington, D.C., as well as
in San Diego, Melbourne, Oxford and Istanbul), I have had ample
opportunity to discuss this matter with leading theologians and
Church officials on both sides. I have been briefed on the
initiative of the USCCB to remove the Filioque clause from the
Creed when recited in the vernacular in the United States. This
has been justified, as I noted, "in order to bring liturgical
usage into line with Church teaching." It doesn't get more clear
or explicit than that.
-- Stuart Koehl
THIS COULD BE THE START OF SOMETHING NEW
Re: Robert Stacy McCain's 'Stand
Up and Fight':
The 2012 presidential race begins next week. I can hardly wait.
Who are the frontrunners?
What do the polls say?
Where can I donate?
What do the foreign media have to say?
Blah, blah, blah…
Insanity beckons.
-- David Govett
Davis, California
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