The American Spectator

Paul| 10.20.08 @ 9:33AM

You are an idiot.

Benjamin Hutzler| 10.20.08 @ 9:35AM

WOW!!! Wonderful article! I love the way you said "and Ford continues to bitch slap GM on this point" This is an article that was printed and I will pass this around as much as I can! AGAIN WONDERFUL ARTICLE!! By the way - Yes I do own a 2005 Ford Mustang GT. I would love an actual printed article if this is possible.

Thanks, Benjamin Hutzler

Richard Jones| 10.20.08 @ 9:54AM

What a genius ! Peters knows how to fix everything in the U.S. auto industry ! It's amazing he is just a blogger ! He should be Czar, at least. His throne could be in Detroit where he must be beloved for all the great things he has done for the U.S. auto industry with his wise opinions on their products. Just think how fortunate we are to get his unchanging wisdom for free, over and over again.

M. Tobias| 10.20.08 @ 10:51AM

Having owned both a 1967 Camaro SS 350 and a 1969 Ford Mustang Mach-1 351 I can offer something to this thread. I my humble opinion, the stock Camaro was always the better handling of the two. The factory suspension was stiffer and held the road better. In terms of power, they were pretty much equal. But what killed the Camaro, and almost killed the Mustang, was style. The Fastback Mustang of the late sixties and early seventies looked way cooler than the Camaro, especially after GM changed from the chunky power box Camaro to the slippery Eurocoupe style. Then Ford tried out the sub-compact pony and almost lost the entire war to the riceburners and the Eurocoupes. Now Mustang has been reborn in the last ten years with a return to the cool body styling of 1969. Power is good, handling is good, but, style sells. And it always has.

jack| 10.20.08 @ 11:12AM

You are truly an idiot. Someone that doesnt care about "fast" cars and such aren't looking around at a Camaro. Mustang people will be jealous of the power of the "6". The people who buy the 6 cyl versions of the Mustang and Camaro buy them because they can't afford the V8 version. They aren't out looking at Malibus, Camrys, Priuses, etc and just all of a sudden switching to a Camaro. This car is being built due to overwhelming demand, not for any other reason. So don't be mad when i smoke your Mustang GT with my V6 Camaro.

Anthony| 10.20.08 @ 11:32AM

It wasnt the pricing that killed the camaro and firebird, it was the dealers wanting at some times above sticker for them. Let certain dealers sell them and push them out. When a dealer has 1 or 2 to sell, they go for top dollar. Good for dealer in short turn, but look what happened. They had nothing to sell against the mustang. It would be to GM's advantage to tell dealers only the top selling dealerships will get the car in 2010. Then see how many camaros are sold.

BigJack| 10.20.08 @ 12:50PM

OK- so the Camaro SS will still be less than a Porsche Boxter. Of course, it has NO back seat so no one should buy it, right?? If somebody is going to buy an American sportscar (the term itself is an oxymoron to many) then perhaps they should have one worth buying. Whether or not the new Camaro is such a car I don't know. What I do know is that it would be hard to be worse than the cheaply made "base" Mustangs that clog our streets.

VetteGuy| 10.20.08 @ 1:26PM

Good article...if you think that Pony-car buyers only care about price. They also care about style, power, and brand loyalty. There's a very good reason why the Mustang is $4500 cheaper; it's not built as well. I know two people who bought new Mustangs. One had piston-slap problems -- persistent even after a full engine replacement -- and she finally gave up and sold it. The other has had her's in the shop at least 6 times in the last two years. Why do think Ford long ago dropped their slogan "Quality is Job One"? I agree that the Camaro will never sell as well as the Mustang, but that it will fail in two years?? Not only will it survive, expect it to just keep getting better and better than the 'stang.

StratPlanner| 10.20.08 @ 2:27PM

While I agree that the Mustang will continue to sell more units than the Camaro, I think it is naive and foolish to think that the Camaro will fail quickly based on price difference alone. The new Camaro is in fact a far superior car to the Mustang, in power, handling and styling. Also, as stated in a previous comment, people don’t buy the V6 versions of pony cars simply because they are cheap. As you stated yourself, they are somewhat impractical as basic, cost only driven, daily drivers. The people who buy these cars want a fast car and stylish look. The last Camaro died, because the styling wasn’t there, not because the price was too high. The 70’s, 80’s and 90’s stylings coming from GM were deplorable. I love American cars, but GM turned out some of the ugliest vehicles, inside and out, to ever dirty the pavement. GM didn’t do everything wrong though. Of the big 3 US makers, GM has by far the best reliability numbers, almost equaling Toyota for quality in the last few years. Chrysler and Ford still can’t get it right. And speaking of Chrysler, their strong suit was styling. From the introduction of the Sebring on, they have really made some beautiful and interesting cars, they just don’t run for crap. The point is, in the Camaro, GM has really done something right. They took the time to produce a vehicle that is styled very well, provides great performance for the price, and actually produces good gas mileage for the performance. The Mustang is still the econo-box of the American sports car scene, and as such, it will continue to sell in large numbers, but it no longer makes sense to compare it to the Camaro. No one is gripping about how expensive the Infinity G37, a great car, is compared to the Mustang. For your next article Eric, compare cars that make sense, like the Camaro, the G37 and the BMW M3, then whine about the cost of the Camaro SS. Oh, and for those of you who are afflicted with the “if it’s made in Europe it must be better” syndrome, take a moment to ask yourselves if the real differences are worth the extra $30k, or if you really just want people to know you can afford it. Take this from a guy who had to ask himself the same question and had to fight off the same arrogant tendencies.

Joe| 10.20.08 @ 4:28PM

You seem to be impling that the SS is the model EVERYONE is buying...the ONLY model that will be sold. History, and plans prove otherwise -- in fact, they prove opposite. The 300hp, 27mpg (YES -- 27 MPG!!!), $22,000 - 24,000 LS/LT will be the prime seller. And IT is the prime bargain in the Camaro garage...good job overlooking it! This car as Traction Control, ABS, curtain-airbags, Independant rear suspension, 300hp, 6-speed transmissions, and general overall bad-assery STANDARD. The Mustang V6 can only hope to match for an extra $1,500. Oh, yeah -- by the way, you're comparing Camaro prices INCLUDING a $750 destination charge to Mustang prices NOT INCLUDING a destination charge. In the interst of being fair, why don't you either add, or subtract those from BOTH, hmm? You also seem to overlook features, and what you get for your money. Does the Mustang have an Independant Rear suspension? Does it have 400+ horsepower on tap? Does it have WORLD-CLASS handling? As in...BMW-fighting handling...Does the Mustang have standard side-curtain airbags, and a comprehensive 5-start crash-test rating? What about SIX-speed transmissions across the board? Does the Mustang have Four-pot Brembo brakes standard? Does the Mustang have as well-executed of an interior? And I'll ask you, will the Mustang's price increase next year when they refresh it? Heck-yeah! You better believe it! What people don't seem to realize during all this "they're late to the game" talk, is that the Camaro is starting its OWN game. It is the first, and it's best. Everyone else will be trying to catch up to it - not the other way around. The bottom line is that if you use an ounce of intelligence, you'll realize that the SS buyers will be those who wish to track their cars and couldn't give a rat's behind about sticker price. These people will also be modifying their cars to mirror what the Camaro comes with STANDARD. When you look at $$$, those modifications will cost more than just getting them on the car. The Camaro is the better bargain whether you're looking for a performance monster, or a daily-driver with some actual spirit! I think you really stuck your foot in your mouth with this "article", Mr. Peters....unless it was meant for the funnies-section.

Mark| 10.20.08 @ 7:38PM

Cars I have owned: 1982 Z28 1989 Mustang GT 1994 Trans Am 2005 Mustang GT convertible. My next car will be the hardtop Camaro convertible, slated for 2011. It has more horsepower than my present car, as well as slightly better mileage. Have to agree with Joe that you generally get more bang for the buck out of the Camaro.

Glen Leinbach| 10.20.08 @ 10:17PM

It seems like we've been hearing about the "New Camaro" for about 4 or 5 years. It will be introduced in the midst of a recession which will spell its doom. rememberm, this isn't electric, flex fuel, fuel cell or even a hybrid. "Jes' a reg'lar ol' car." With product development cycles like this, if GM had been chartered to get us to the moon Neil's and Buzz's grandkids would have been the first on to set foot there.

Paul Petersen| 10.21.08 @ 2:46AM

Eric better stick to writing about automotive history because his thinking is worthy of a government mandated recall regarding his future prognostications. The new Camaro is way more car than the current Mustang is. The base models bring a lot of value to a long forgotten market segment. Remember it has similar performance to the Mustang GT from a V6 that is very state of the art. Not the minivan motor in the base Stang. Lets we forget this is a pony car with an independent rear suspension bringing handling to a class that has never been blessed with this technology. Another item to remember its the Camaro will not have a Pontiac sibling to split sales with for once. Besides, people who want one will buy it. Gas prices are sliding back to reality and the economy will get going again once things get sorted out. Plus he forgets lots of SUV owners leases will be ending and be looking for something thats fun and gets better mileage. Perhaps GMs timing will be golden as America rediscovers the joys of driving a car again over the plundering SUV busses that have been all the rage up till gas hit four dollars a gallon. Paul Petersen Hillsboro, OR

Joe| 10.21.08 @ 2:16PM

Unless you're privvy to inside information, Glen -- you've only been hearing about this Camaro for 2.75 years. The CONCEPT was first introduced at NAIAS in January. Approval was in August, making it approxomately 2.2 years from start to finish in terms of development and engineering........................The car is being released during troubled times, there's no doubt about that. But History has proven that sports cars of all types are relatively immune to negative economic forces. In fact, the highest-selling year of Camaro was 1979 (280,000+ cars sold), which was in the midst of a similar gas crisis!!!................................In addition, this is no "ordinary car" whether you want to believe it or not. 300+hp and 27mpg has never been seen before in a regular production car. AND it is the FIRST pony car/muscle car to be equipeed with fuel and emissions-saving Direct Injection technology. Also, don't be surprised if you see the Camaro take a flex-fuel turn in the future...............................so, with product development cycles like the Camaro's I think they would have reached the moon right on time -- if not a little early!

MP| 10.21.08 @ 4:23PM

I remember reading an article in Automobile magazine several years ago stating that the reason that Camaros and Firebirds sold like they did was because the "good ole boys" who would otherwise drive pickup trucks bought them to cruise around for women. In other words, driving your old pickup truck just wasn't happening. What brought about the end of the Camaro & Firebird (according to the article) was when GM, Ford, & Dodge started making cool, powerful pickup trucks. When that happened, the good ole boys decided they didn't need a Camaro or a Firebird for their purposes. As far as myself is concerned, I might give the new Camaro a looksee in a couple years when I'm in the market for a sporty GM car.

steve| 10.21.08 @ 9:16PM

I second the guy who said “you’re an idiot.” You are a truly an idiot.

Ernesto| 10.22.08 @ 4:48AM

The new base Camaro V6 is basically a Caddy CTS minus power leather seats,fancy electronics and $10K.

It is massively more car than a base stang.

300hp V6, 19/27 MPG independent rear suspension 6M or 6 auto and super cool coke bottle styling is a winner.

Sign me up as soon as I can get one at MSRP.

Tami| 10.22.08 @ 2:45PM

I think the camaros are going to sell like wildfire.
I am an "almost 40" year old female attorney. My dad had a camaro when I was in high school that I borrowed whenever I could. I just ordered a 2SS camaro. I drove test drove a mustang because a friend told me not to wait for the camaro. It was gutless and cheap. My mercedes station wagon had more get up and go. Don't under estimate the the selling power of a mid-priced mid-life crisis car. All the indulgence without the guilt of a foreign priced sports car.

Shawn| 10.22.08 @ 11:42PM

Do you own a Mustang?

You wrote 3 pages about much the Camaro costs, but if it performs as well as it should it'll be worth every penny. The SS is an elite model, of course it will cost that much.

The 300 HP Camaro will start at 23K which is competitive for a pony/muscle car. Please do some research on the car before you spout nonsense.

aston| 10.22.08 @ 11:44PM

Eric Peters is a goob.

Mitchell| 10.23.08 @ 12:00AM

Eric you have opened yourself a can of worms, hey i got something for you to help get your head on straight. Why don't you check out www.camaro5.com and see for yourself how "poor" the Camaro will sell you arrogant, biased fool. does Ford pay you to compare the Mustang to a car that outclasses it in every aspect and make the Mustang seem like the shining victor? If so you better hope they pay well because an article with this much negative feedback can land you jobless. And by the way I'm 20 years old, in the Army, and I ordered a 1SS with all the goodies i can dream for at $34,495 without the military discount, so I'm looking at maybe $29,465 for a 480 horsepower base model Corvette crushing Camaro for 20k less.

Sean| 10.23.08 @ 12:13AM

Everything you wrote in your "article" can be taken with a grain of salt. We live in an age where everyone can voice their opinions to whomever will listen. But the only thing you have proven is that you are completely out of touch with hundreds of thousands of people.

I happen to be one of the people that placed my order for that so-called gas guzzling, overpriced car. I am not a 40 something. I am a 30 something. I have enough money for a BMW, I don't want one.

You are welcome to post your opinions, but... when stated what the Camaro was designed to compete with, I would suggest you do a bit more research. The Mustang was the benchmark. That was passed quite early in development. They brought in 3 other cars that they wanted to compete with, and only one was from "the big three" (not Ford).

I could go on. You have stated your opinion, and I respectfully dissagree. I look foward to seeing you on the freeway in a year in your powder blue Prius. I will be in the Cyber Gray 2SS/RS, happy as a pig in sh!t, because a car maker FINALLY listened to what the consumer wanted, instead of the government telling me what I want.

S. rose| 10.23.08 @ 7:26AM

Again, you're an idiot. First off the Camaro has many more amenities and comfort features than the Mustang does. AND, you're comparing the 2010 camaro pricing to the 2009 Mustang pricing. Wait until Mustang announces the new increased prices for their "updated" 2010 Mustangs, then tell me GM is being bitch slapped.

What a moron.

Jacob| 10.23.08 @ 9:48AM

Wow, he got owned.

The_Blur| 10.23.08 @ 11:16AM

I'm impressed by how misinformed you are. Your complete detachment from reality actually amazes me. The Camaro will crush the Mustang on all fronts—quality, reliability, performance—except price, but even that is a win if you calculate dollars per horsepower. Many enthusiasts were expecting a $35k pricetag for a 1SS. They'll be ordering for as little as $31k.

Add to that a pinch of discussion about performance. Every legit car magazine and forum in the world has noted that the Camaro is a competitor with cars far above its own price and performance bracket. GM has been designing quality for years.

Have you even left your house in the last 20 years? When you go on the internet, make sure to find reliable sources. For Camaro enthusiasts, the facts are at Camaro5.com. Different cars have different communities, and your Ford fanboy forum is just not going to cut it. The Mustang is a great car, and so is the Challenger. The Camaro will beat the both because GM spent the time and money to build the best pony car.

When I get mine, I'd love to see you at the track. Find me at Camaro5.

Turtle| 10.23.08 @ 4:41PM

Mr. Peters, sir, you are wrong. Your whole article is an editorial point of view and none of it has any factual merit other than the pricing that was set forth by GM. You've taken your opinion, put up some numbers and then proclaimed, "the sky is falling!" And you dont have a single shred of proof to back what you say because its all your opinion and its an opinion that stinks almost as bad as Congress giving $750billion to the banking industry.

Have you even considered the price of a 2002 Camaro SS in your ignorant opinion? Lets do a quick comparison. A 2002 Camaro SS with cloth seats and no Hurst Shifter stickered for about $29,000. This 2002 SS, with its 335hp,5.7L LS1 engine, cloth seats and hardtop, is as close to a 2010 Camaro 1SS package as was offered in 2002. So what do you get for your extra $2,000? IRS, a 6.2L V8 with 400+ hp, Active Fuel Management on the automatic transmission cars, 20inch wheels, Brembo brakes, OnStar, Bluetooth connectivity, stability management and traction control. All of these options are missing from that $29,000 2002 Camaro SS. So do you think that all of these extras are worth that $2,000? I have a feeling most of the consumers out there do. And I believe that GM did some research (I know you're not familiar with this word, so please look it up sometime in a dictionary and then maybe perform some of it before you post your next heavily biased tirade on the internet) and discovered that people who were enthusiasts WOULD, in fact, pay that price for those extra features. And while your aticle says that the Mustang GT is cheaper, it doesn't take into account the fact that GM willfully admits that the Camaro SS is targeted almost squarely at the enthusiasts, not the Joe Blow daily drivers, and that the performance value that the car represents is what they hope to deliver to those enthusiasts. Had you bothered to read the original Order Guide and Camaro Workbook, you would have seen this fact and probably have changed the tone of your article.

Or maybe not, since it is very evident that your article only wants to look at your point of view, in hopes that if the car does fail, you will be able to pull a Rush Limbaugh and pat yourself on the back for being right.

Branon| 10.23.08 @ 6:10PM

Amazing how you can write a blog and "pretend" to know something about a car that you've yet to drive. You're a tool dude. Deal.

Dustin| 10.23.08 @ 8:30PM

Perhaps when you have time you could actually write a legitimate, fact-based, and honest comparison between these vehicles. You mention model prices without comparing the actual differences between the models. If you were to make a list of what you are gaining/losing between competing models for the price difference you may be surprised.

Aside from this you have also made no mention of Dodge's offering into the pony car lineup - the Challenger. Might as well compare all of the competition at once if you're attempting to do it right.

Finally, it amazes me that you are either so out of touch with your surroundings that you are still listing gas prices as nearing $4/gal. The only other option is that this article was written weeks ago and you managed to overlook changing the fact before it was actually published. Either way, you have simply used this as an argument against the Camaro without providing a realistic comparison between it and the Mustang.

In conclusion - I think comparison articles are great for everyone but they need to be unbiased and honest to actually be useful.

Ed| 10.24.08 @ 1:39AM

Clearly all the comments regarding this "Article" show how biased, opinionated and blatantly misinformed if not straight up wrong Eric Peters is.

It is no wonder why Eric Peters is merely attempting to blog on the internet, (but failing at it) and not in an reputable automotive magazine.

I urge anyone reading this to disregard Eric Peter's content, and I personally will strive to never again read his dribble.

Also I will attempt to reach editor@spectator.org and voice my concern that Eric Peters is rapidly destroying their reputation.

Tee| 10.25.08 @ 5:03PM

Yes... The Camaro with it's high power, lack of a rear seat, and gas guzzling attitude, will fail just how the corvette has failed... aren't we quite the intellect... :-/

Last time I chekced gas prices were expected to drop below $3... you're thinking backwards, bud.

Jeff| 10.28.08 @ 11:24AM

I don't think I've ever read a news article that was so ignorant that it actually offended me. Not until now, that is. I sincerely hope that no one reads this idiot's "article" and takes any of this drivel to heart. Those who do will only be limiting themselves based on the ramblings of a complete imbecile.

I have been a Ford fan for over a decade, and I currently own a 2004 Mustang GT. I am not a GM fanboy in any way, but I have been tracking the development of the new Camaro since I was blown away by the very first concept photo released years ago.

I can tell you that the new Camaro is a MUCH better value than the Mustang. I feel compelled to mention some of the items available for the Camaro SS that the Mustang does not offer, like the 422HP engine, the SIX airbags , HID lighting, interior lighting, HUD in 2011, Full independent suspension, sunroof, 20" wheels, Brembo brakes, Bluetooth compatibility, and a Boston Acoustics sound system. It will also remain true to the concept more so than any other auto manufacturer seems able to be able to. And for the record, the only one of those options that the Mustang can offer is the horsepower. One could buy a Roush 427...for only $55,000! Suddenly, the $31,000.00 Camaro SS doesn't look so expensive. Especially considering that there will probably be very little dealer markup since GM is not limiting availability of top-end models like Ford has done with the Mustang.

I also feel it's important to mention that the six cylinder Camaro will have as much horsepower as the current Mustang GT, which is a V8. Knowing Ford, there will not be a substantial increase in power output for another 3-5 years. It should also be noted that all versions of the new Camaro are boasting better fuel economy than the equivalent Mustang models do. But seriously, there is no such thing as a Mustang that is equivalent to the new Camaro.

I couldn't help but wonder if the author of this article is either a complete moron, or just didn't bother to research what he was writing about. All I can do is hope that people are smart enough to do research on any car before buying. If that happens, then I foresee Mustang sales will be abysmal next year, and there will be tens of thousands of happy Camaro owners. And, of course, Eric Peters will be alone in his Mustang, bragging about his solid rear axle, antique (retro?) interior appearance, and 305 ponies.

For the record, Eric...premium fuel is currently at $2.99 a gallon. As bad as your Mustang's fuel economy is, I'd assume that you'd be more up to date on gas prices.

One last thing, the only pro-Mustang comment that I bothered to read was from Benjamin Hutzler, who is so intelligent he can't figure out how to get a printed copy of this article. Nice....

z28ss admirer| 10.29.08 @ 8:38AM

your a god damn fool your no car guy your a fucking penny pincher at best you present more facts about the economy then you do the car you know nothing about the car this article was shit and im here standing up for the camaro simply because your thinking like a bitch and not a man yea its high priced but it's worth it to know you're buying a piece of heritage this new camaro is an impressive and honestly killer version of its older self and for all you ford lovers we'll see who gets to the finish line first im sorry buddy you have alot of fact but no balls you gotta buy with you heart not your wallet if you got it flaunt it plus the all around look and appeal of the car is ten times better than the mustang which also has a useless back seat with horrible suspension how bout you come to the camaro5.com site and check out the specs and see if you dont retract this article as a matter of fact come look at how many are already sold your a fool that needs to do more research and less trash talking because you simply have nothing to back what you're talking about get to know the car before you bash it now thats all i have to say because i gotta get back to smoking mustangs in a quarter mile enjoy being miserable because you cant expeirence that white knuckle feeling in your little mustang.

sincerly z28ssadmirer

Teddy| 10.29.08 @ 9:53AM

You sir, are with out a doubt not a car guy. The only two things you mentioned in this article dealing with the car are horsepower and cost. You honestly sound more like a suit sitting in a boardroom than an educated car enthusiast. The Mustang does and always has sold better because it is and always has been a car far whack ass posers who wouldn't know performance if it bit them in the ass. Camaro doesn't want to be the sweet 16 present of America. Or the “I just wanted a convertible sports car any convertible sports car” of America. Its heritage is one of performance. Why do you not discuss the archaic live axle of the Mustang as opposed to the independent rear suspension of the new Camaro? Or the outdated five speed of the Mustang versus the six speed of the Camaro (which also comes with steering wheel paddle shifting in the automatic trans). You incorrectly quote the gas mileage of the V6 and also fail to mention that the V8 mileage differs by 2-3 miles per gallon. You mention a new V6 that Ford says is going into production which you have no numbers pertaining to performance or added cost to the vehicle.

Bottom line, the Camaro is moving into the future while the Mustang’s engineering is still stuck in the past. The price isn’t justified by additional horsepower but additional refinement as a performance automobile. When these cars hit the road it will be a no contest model to model on performance. I venture to say the SS may even out perform the GT500 in anything but a straight line. It won’t surprise me if the Mustang still outsells the Camaro. Because this country is largely populated by dumb shit, it’s got two doors so it’s a sports car, I would’ve bought a Celica but they don’t make a convertible, oh look the color matches my dress/nail polish, can’t pay to play panty wastes like yourself. Do everybody a favor and remain a spectator. Leave the writing to real journalists and enthusiasts.

Stratman

Herb| 10.30.08 @ 12:56PM

I'm not sure you are comparing apples to apples here. Shouldn't you be comparing the price and gas mileages of the V6 Camaro to the V8 Mustang? They are, after all, caomparible in horsepower. Likewise, the V8 Camaro should be compared with the GT-500. Although, admittedly, the GT-500 has the horsepower edge in this comparison.

That being said, I think there is a whole segment of buyers that will compare the monthly payment of base model Mustangs vs Camaros, with no thought to performance. From that side of the equation, you may be correct.

The other factor that hurts the Camaro is the delay in getting it to market. Most people who want a retro muscle car already own a Mustang or something with a Hemi. I dont see them selling their 3-year old car to get a Camaro in these tough times.

Vettedriver| 11.26.08 @ 9:39PM

I'll admit, it's an odd price point. Pricing a new car at $30k - $35k with options opens you up to a lot of competition from far better used vehicles. For example, $35k easily buys a 3 year old, low mileage (under 15k mile) C6 Corvette or maybe even a 3 series BMW.

It's priced too high to be "cheap", but too low to compare well to lightly used luxury vehicles that are the same price bracket.

In this economy value means everything and people will be weighing used car vs. new car, not just new vehicle vs. new vehicle.

As far as V6 is concerned, the author is right, people purchase these models because they're inexpensive.

In fact, being slow helps the V6 by keeping insurance low. How cheap is 300 hp, $25k car going to be to insure? That cuts out a lot of under 25 buyers.

Patrick| 4.13.09 @ 1:42AM

Paul is slightly off on the pricing. I think he used 2009 pricing the 2010s are about $1,000 more.

The V6 mustang is $2k cheaper and the V8 mustang is $3k cheaper. Now the question is are the base models offering the same base equipment?

For example Camaro offers much larger wheels. Upgrading to the 19 inch on the GT, for example costs another $700 (the Camaro comes with 20s).

Camaro could have offered 18s standard to cut the price down. It would also offer less rolling mass, better gas mileage, and a better ride.

Brad| 5.30.09 @ 5:27PM

Maybe you should stick to things you know about and/or understand. Cars obviously aren't among those things.